Re: Stopping statins [cold turkey] may cause rebound that triples risk of death Re: Stop Taking Statins

July 1, 2008

Thanks for the heads-up, Steve. This is the first I've seen of any documentation re. dangers of going off statins cold turkey, and I therefore want anyone who read my last post, and who might have interpreted it as a green light to go ahead and toss the pills, to proceed with extreme caution. I can't help but wonder though if that particular research paper might have been produced in the same way that others that we know of have. But better safe than sorry! We statins survivors have all suffered enough without taking any addtional unwarranted risks!Steve <dudescholar4@...> wrote: Note, the following study reference refers to a short term effect only. This is one of the primary reasons I am loath to recommend stopping statins cold turkey, because of the short term three times increase in death rates. Long term is another story since the "rebound" effect is a short term thing.Stopping statins may cause rebound that triples risk of deathhttp://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=34689-stopping-statins-maySteve Carlisle wrote:> > > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who are > wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor (now > ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage from 10 > mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately

reported back to him that I > was having severe problems with the higher dose but he absolutely > insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I hadn't heard > anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And, > unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years before that. > But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost > immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to be able to > argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years before the > realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since my mother > had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe now I had > it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was still able to > figure that much out. From there I was fortunately able to reason that > if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in > continuing to take

these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription > ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life.> > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost > immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for turned > out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 pounds in three > weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind almost immediately. > Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness, peripheral > neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story short, I now > know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that stuff is toxic) > had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only triggered celiac > disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become allergic to > virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my problem > except prednison (which I'd never

been able to take without it knocking > me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an > acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which is > effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but at least > her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments) enabled me to > eat other foods again.> > The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest dosage > of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two years, in > addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to that. Going > off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had triggered, but > doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to seek > out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and what to do > about it.> > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, then you >

should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how > best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you > found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it > necessary to taper off? -- Steve - dudescholar4basicmail (DOT) netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford -----

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July 1, 2008

Steve: After reading the article, it stated

that the risk was for people in the hospital for heart attacks, if they

stopped then the risk jumped 30%. I couldn't find anything in the

article that states people who are taking a statin but are not in the

hospital

Did I miss something?

Lee...

Steve wrote:

Note, the following study reference refers to a short term effect only. This is one of the primary reasons I am loath to recommend stopping statins cold turkey, because of the short term three times increase in death rates. Long term is another story since the "rebound" effect is a short term thing.

Stopping statins may cause rebound that triples risk of death

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=34689-stopping-statins-may

Steve

Carlisle wrote:

For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who are wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor (now ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage from 10 mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to him that I was having severe problems with the higher dose but he absolutely insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I hadn't heard anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And, unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years before that. But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to be able to argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years before the realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since my mother had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe now I had it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was still able to figure that much out. From there I was fortunately able to reason that if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in continuing to take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life.

Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for turned out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 pounds in three weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind almost immediately. Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness, peripheral neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story short, I now know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that stuff is toxic) had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only triggered celiac disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become allergic to virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my problem except prednison (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which is effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but at least her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments) enabled me to eat other foods again.

The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest dosage of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two years, in addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to that. Going off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had triggered, but doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to seek out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and what to do about it.

If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, then you should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it necessary to taper off?

July 2, 2008

I agree with . I came off cold turkey and don't regret a single missed dose of the poison. Head started clearing first, then the neuropathy lessened, diarrehia has gone, surgery has corrected the prolapses, all the other bits are recovering slowly, except the memory loss and cognitive skills - but it's only been 9 weeks. Statins kill - taking them doesn't. Pamelalee schelin <LSchelin@...> wrote: Steve: After reading the article, it stated that the risk was for people in the hospital for heart attacks, if

they stopped then the risk jumped 30%. I couldn't find anything in the article that states people who are taking a statin but are not in the hospital Did I miss something? Lee... Steve wrote: Note, the following study reference refers to a short term effect only. This is one of the primary reasons I am loath to recommend stopping statins cold turkey, because of the short term three times increase in death rates. Long term is another story since the "rebound" effect is a short term thing.Stopping statins may cause rebound that triples risk of deathhttp://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=34689-stopping-statins-maySteve Carlisle wrote: For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who are wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor (now ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage from 10 mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to him that I was having severe problems with the higher dose but he absolutely insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I hadn't heard anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And, unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years before that. But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to be able to argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years before the realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since my mother had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe now I had

it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was still able to figure that much out. From there I was fortunately able to reason that if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in continuing to take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life. Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for turned out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 pounds in three weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind almost immediately. Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness, peripheral neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story short, I now know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that stuff is toxic) had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only triggered celiac

disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become allergic to virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my problem except prednison (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which is effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but at least her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments) enabled me to eat other foods again. The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest dosage of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two years, in addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to that. Going off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had triggered, but doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to seek out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and

what to do about it. If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, then you should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it necessary to taper off?

July 2, 2008

StevePerhaps if these patients had been given aspirin in hospital their risks of developing inflammation and blocked arteries would have been at the same level as if they had continued with their Statins. I understand that Statins do help people with serious heart conditions, however aspirin does the same trick - except there is no money to be made from aspirin! Pamela Carlisle <nancarl@...> wrote: Thanks for the heads-up, Steve. This is the first I've seen of any documentation re. dangers of going off statins cold turkey, and I

therefore want anyone who read my last post, and who might have interpreted it as a green light to go ahead and toss the pills, to proceed with extreme caution. I can't help but wonder though if that particular research paper might have been produced in the same way that others that we know of have. But better safe than sorry! We statins survivors have all suffered enough without taking any addtional unwarranted risks!Steve <dudescholar4basicmail (DOT) net> wrote: Note, the following study reference refers to a short term effect only. This is one of the primary reasons I am loath to recommend stopping statins cold turkey, because of the short term three times increase in death rates. Long term is another story since the "rebound" effect is a short term thing.Stopping statins may cause rebound that

triples risk of deathhttp://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=34689-stopping-statins-maySteve Carlisle wrote:> > > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who are > wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor (now > ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage from 10 > mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to him that I > was having severe problems with the higher dose but he absolutely > insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I hadn't heard > anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And, > unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years before that. > But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost > immediately,

but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to be able to > argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years before the > realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since my mother > had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe now I had > it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was still able to > figure that much out. From there I was fortunately able to reason that > if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in > continuing to take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription > ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life.> > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost > immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for turned > out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 pounds in three > weeks!). And the cloud started

lfting from my mind almost immediately. > Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness, peripheral > neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story short, I now > know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that stuff is toxic) > had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only triggered celiac > disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become allergic to > virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my problem > except prednison (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking > me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an > acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which is > effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but at least > her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments) enabled me to > eat other foods again.> > The point

of my telling you this is that I went off the highest dosage > of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two years, in > addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to that. Going > off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had triggered, but > doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to seek > out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and what to do > about it.> > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, then you > should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how > best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you > found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it > necessary to taper off? -- Steve - dudescholar4basicmail (DOT) netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz

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July 2, 2008

StevePerhaps if these patients had been given aspirin in hospital their risks of developing inflammation and blocked arteries would have been at the same level as if they had continued with their Statins. I understand that Statins do help people with serious heart conditions, however aspirin does the same trick - except there is no money to be made from aspirin! Pamela Carlisle <nancarl@...> wrote: Thanks for the heads-up, Steve. This is the first I've seen of any documentation re. dangers of going off statins cold turkey, and I

therefore want anyone who read my last post, and who might have interpreted it as a green light to go ahead and toss the pills, to proceed with extreme caution. I can't help but wonder though if that particular research paper might have been produced in the same way that others that we know of have. But better safe than sorry! We statins survivors have all suffered enough without taking any addtional unwarranted risks!Steve <dudescholar4basicmail (DOT) net> wrote: Note, the following study reference refers to a short term effect only. This is one of the primary reasons I am loath to recommend stopping statins cold turkey, because of the short term three times increase in death rates. Long term is another story since the "rebound" effect is a short term thing.Stopping statins may cause rebound that

triples risk of deathhttp://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=34689-stopping-statins-maySteve Carlisle wrote:> > > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who are > wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor (now > ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage from 10 > mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to him that I > was having severe problems with the higher dose but he absolutely > insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I hadn't heard > anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And, > unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years before that. > But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost > immediately,

but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to be able to > argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years before the > realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since my mother > had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe now I had > it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was still able to > figure that much out. From there I was fortunately able to reason that > if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in > continuing to take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription > ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life.> > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost > immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for turned > out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 pounds in three > weeks!). And the cloud started

lfting from my mind almost immediately. > Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness, peripheral > neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story short, I now > know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that stuff is toxic) > had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only triggered celiac > disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become allergic to > virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my problem > except prednison (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking > me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an > acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which is > effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but at least > her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments) enabled me to > eat other foods again.> > The point

of my telling you this is that I went off the highest dosage > of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two years, in > addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to that. Going > off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had triggered, but > doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to seek > out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and what to do > about it.> > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, then you > should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how > best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you > found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it > necessary to taper off? -- Steve - dudescholar4basicmail (DOT) netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz

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July 2, 2008

Yes, this study involved people admitted to a hospital who had been

taking a statin and separated out the difference in outcomes between

those people who discontinued their statin cold turkey, for whatever

reason and those who did not discontinue. I used to have a better

review of the study but couldn't find it the other day. The rebound

effect is likely to be a problem regardless of hospital admission. In

other words, if everyone on statins, millions of people, where to stop

cold turkey in a similar fashion, there would be a dramatic short term

increase in death rates. That was what I thought was an important

point. This is one fact to take into consideration when stopping

statins and there is no research that I'm aware of on the best way to

stop statins. In fact, it is my position currently that there are no

doctors that know anything about the rebound problem that take it into

account, so everyone is on their own in deciding what to do. Simple

solutions like tapering off and taking fish oil and aspirin may overcome

the rebound issue. It's all a large matter of guessing but I do think

this particular study may be important information for now in making a

personal decision.

Steve

lee schelin wrote:

>

> Steve: After reading the article, it stated that the risk was for people

> in the hospital for heart attacks, if they stopped then the risk jumped

> 30%. I couldn't find anything in the article that states people who are

> taking a statin but are not in the hospital

>

> Did I miss something?

>

> Lee...

>

> Steve wrote:

>

>> Note, the following study reference refers to a short term effect only.

>> This is one of the primary reasons I am loath to recommend stopping

>> statins cold turkey, because of the short term three times increase in

>> death rates. Long term is another story since the " rebound " effect is a

>> short term thing.

>>

>> Stopping statins may cause rebound that triples risk of death

>> http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=34689-stopping-statins-may

>>

>> Steve

>>

>> Carlisle wrote:

>>

>>> For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who are

>>> wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor (now

>>> ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage from 10

>>> mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to him that I

>>> was having severe problems with the higher dose but he absolutely

>>> insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I hadn't heard

>>> anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And,

>>> unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years before that.

>>> But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost

>>> immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to be able to

>>> argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years before the

>>> realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since my mother

>>> had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe now I had

>>> it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was still able to

>>> figure that much out. From there I was fortunately able to reason that

>>> if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in

>>> continuing to take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription

>>> ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life.

>>>

>>> Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost

>>> immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for turned

>>> out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 pounds in three

>>> weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind almost immediately.

>>> Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness, peripheral

>>> neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story short, I now

>>> know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that stuff is toxic)

>>> had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only triggered celiac

>>> disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become allergic to

>>> virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my problem

>>> except prednison (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking

>>> me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an

>>> acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which is

>>> effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but at least

>>> her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments) enabled me to

>>> eat other foods again.

>>>

>>> The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest dosage

>>> of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two years, in

>>> addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to that. Going

>>> off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had triggered, but

>>> doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to seek

>>> out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and what to do

>>> about it.

>>>

>>> If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, then you

>>> should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how

>>> best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you

>>> found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it

>>> necessary to taper off?

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July 2, 2008

Perhaps Pamela. Statins do increase NO levels in the arteries which

increase arterial diameter creating better blood flow while down

regulating some aspect of the body's own NO production. I personally

think that this is the problem with going off statins cold turkey if one

is on a larger dose as the sudden decrease in NO levels that result

without time for the body to recover it's own production pathways

results in a short term decrease in blood flow and arterial diameter.

Just my two cents. I could be way off the mark here. Aspirin doesn't

have, to my knowledge, an effect on NO so while it may lower the chance

of clotting and potential subsequent heart attack caused therefrom, it

doesn't restore what should be the body's current arterial diameter.

This might take several days to weeks.

Steve

pamela sharp wrote:

>

> Steve

> Perhaps if these patients had been given aspirin in hospital their risks

> of developing inflammation and blocked arteries would have been at the

> same level as if they had continued with their Statins. I understand

> that Statins do help people with serious heart conditions, however

> aspirin does the same trick - except there is no money to be made from

> aspirin! Pamela

>

> */ Carlisle <nancarl@...>/* wrote:

>

> Thanks for the heads-up, Steve. This is the first I've seen of any

> documentation re. dangers of going off statins cold turkey, and I

> therefore want anyone who read my last post, and who might have

> interpreted it as a green light to go ahead and toss the pills, to

> proceed with extreme caution. I can't help but wonder though if that

> particular research paper might have been produced in the same way

> that others that we know of have. But better safe than sorry! We

> statins survivors have all suffered enough without taking any

> addtional unwarranted risks!

>

> */Steve <dudescholar4@...>/* wrote:

>

> Note, the following study reference refers to a short term

> effect only.

> This is one of the primary reasons I am loath to recommend stopping

> statins cold turkey, because of the short term three times

> increase in

> death rates. Long term is another story since the " rebound "

> effect is a

> short term thing.

>

> Stopping statins may cause rebound that triples risk of death

>

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=34689-stopping-statins-may

>

<http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=34689-stopping-statins-may>

>

> Steve

>

> Carlisle wrote:

> >

> > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to

> newbies who are

> > wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor

> (now

> > ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage

> from 10

> > mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to

> him that I

> > was having severe problems with the higher dose but he

> absolutely

> > insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I

> hadn't heard

> > anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And,

> > unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years

> before that.

> > But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost

> > immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to

> be able to

> > argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years

> before the

> > realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since

> my mother

> > had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe

> now I had

> > it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was

> still able to

> > figure that much out. From there I was fortunately able to

> reason that

> > if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no

> point in

> > continuing to take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor

> prescription

> > ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision

> saved my life.

> >

> > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost

> > immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out

> for turned

> > out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25

> pounds in three

> > weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind almost

> immediately.

> > Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness,

> peripheral

> > neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story

> short, I now

> > know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that

> stuff is toxic)

> > had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only

> triggered celiac

> > disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become

> allergic to

> > virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my

> problem

> > except prednison (which I'd never been able to take without

> it knocking

> > me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed

> to go to an

> > acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that

> art which is

> > effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac,

> but at least

> > her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments)

> enabled me to

> > eat other foods again.

> >

> > The point of my telling you this is that I went off the

> highest dosage

> > of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two

> years, in

> > addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to

> that. Going

> > off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had

> triggered, but

> > doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to

> seek

> > out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and

> what to do

> > about it.

> >

> > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey,

> then you

> > should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for

> sure how

> > best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this:

> if you

> > found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would

> you think it

> > necessary to taper off?

>

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July 2, 2008

Although I won't speculate whether one should go cold turkey off statins or not, the following is an excerpt, the first paragraph actually from the link provided by Steve:

05-Mar-2002 - Heart disease patients who stop using cholesterol-lowering drugs while they are hospitalised for chest pain are trebling their risk of death or heart attack, according to research in the rapid access publication of Circulation: Journal of the American Heart Association.

As you can see the reference is for "heart disease" patients hospitalized for chest pain!

This does not reference anyone who has not been diagnosed with heart disease but rather just so-called elevated cholesterol and is asymptomatic.

We must be very careful of what and how we quote and or interpret information. Someone may make an ill-fated decision based on nebulous second hand info.However, thank you everyone for being diligent regarding this issue.

D> > > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who are > wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor (now > ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage from 10 > mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to him that I >

was having severe problems with the higher dose but he absolutely > insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I hadn't heard > anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And, > unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years before that. > But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost > immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to be able to > argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years before the > realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since my mother > had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe now I had > it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was still able to > figure that much out. From there I was fortunately able to reason that > if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in > continuing to take these expensive

meds. So when my Lipitor prescription > ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life.> > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost > immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for turned > out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 pounds in three > weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind almost immediately. > Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness, peripheral > neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story short, I now > know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that stuff is toxic) > had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only triggered celiac > disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become allergic to > virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my problem > except prednison (which I'd never

been able to take without it knocking > me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an > acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which is > effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but at least > her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments) enabled me to > eat other foods again.> > The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest dosage > of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two years, in > addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to that. Going > off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had triggered, but > doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to seek > out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and what to do > about it.> > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold

turkey, then you > should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how > best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you > found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it > necessary to taper off? -- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford

July 2, 2008