Re: You know i find it sad and depressing too :(

[Guest guest]

Greg,

What part of the world do you live in? In the United States of

America, where I live, it is virtually impossible for those with

Asperger's to find a job, let alone assimilate into society at

large. Many of the NTs who run the American workplace (NTs should

not be running the workplace, and never should have been running the

workplace in the first place) are extremely insensitive. Couple that

with the weakest disability rights laws in the industrialized world,

along with a virtually unregulated workplace and a private sector

that's too cheap to pay someone with even a minor disability a

living wage, and our chances of being productive citizens in

American society are literally tossed out the window. Asperger's

Syndrome can destroy one's American Dream. It helped destroy mine; I

don't expect our society to accept those with Asperger's in my

lifetime.

[Guest guest]

- I have read quite a few of your previous posts and am

wondering if it is possible for you to move somewhere else where

perhaps your talents would be appreciated - or somewhere where you

could start afresh?

>

> Greg,

>

> What part of the world do you live in? In the United States of

> America, where I live, it is virtually impossible for those with

> Asperger's to find a job, let alone assimilate into society at

> large. Many of the NTs who run the American workplace (NTs should

> not be running the workplace, and never should have been running

the

> workplace in the first place) are extremely insensitive. Couple

that

> with the weakest disability rights laws in the industrialized

world,

> along with a virtually unregulated workplace and a private sector

> that's too cheap to pay someone with even a minor disability a

> living wage, and our chances of being productive citizens in

> American society are literally tossed out the window. Asperger's

> Syndrome can destroy one's American Dream. It helped destroy mine;

I

> don't expect our society to accept those with Asperger's in my

> lifetime.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>that there's nothing we can do to stop these people from ruining

> a unique race of people from flourishing. Why can't they just leave

> us alone? If they want to help us they can help us, they can guide

> us and support us through lifes trials and errors, but treatment?

> no,cure? no Prevention? (of all things) no.

>

> Autism is a gift it is not a disease, and i find it depressing how

> people see it as a burden or an " epidemic " on the American people.

a tnx!! that's what I just needed to read!!

I think organizing is the best method to counter this.

I hope I can find at least 4 people like you, with that vision, here

in holland, and the first RL pro-AS action group and

support/protection network is a fact.

So.. as soon as I am finished with university I am going to do the

major work for it (now just getting to know the social AS circuit in

NL), first I'd like to share ideas with others with similar ideas, and

maybe make a website and info-leaflet and then try getting interested

and like-minded individuals together.

Anyone ever tried this before anywhere??

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

I've thought about that...but right now, money is the problem. I also

have to help care for a parent with ALS (namely my mother). If I have

to move to another place, it would have to be another country where

there's more freedom and that people with Asperger's are treated with

respect and dignity.

[Guest guest]

Hey, let's have all who have been diagnosed with Asperger' living in

the United States boycott the workplace, especially the private

sector.

If you work in the private sector, QUIT YOUR JOB NOW! All private

sector jobs are dead-end jobs. You will have no opportunities for

advancement. Your hard work has NO VALUE in the private sector. And

you will never get a raise.

The best way to organize is to tell the private sector that we

aren't going to take their crap anymore. TREAT US WITH RESPECT. If

they don't, then we shouldn't be working in the private sector.

I left the private sector six and a half years ago. I've made more

money working for the State of Illinois than I ever did in the

private sector. If you can't get a job with local or state

government (forget about the federal government until the Democrats

are back in power), then don't go looking for a job. The life you

save will be yours.

[Guest guest]

Hey, let's have all who have been diagnosed with Asperger' living in

the United States boycott the workplace, especially the private

sector.

If you work in the private sector, QUIT YOUR JOB NOW! All private

sector jobs are dead-end jobs. You will have no opportunities for

advancement. Your hard work has NO VALUE in the private sector. And

you will never get a raise.

The best way to organize is to tell the private sector that we

aren't going to take their crap anymore. TREAT US WITH RESPECT. If

they don't, then we shouldn't be working in the private sector.

I left the private sector six and a half years ago. I've made more

money working for the State of Illinois than I ever did in the

private sector. If you can't get a job with local or state

government (forget about the federal government until the Democrats

are back in power), then don't go looking for a job. The life you

save will be yours.

[Guest guest]

Hmm, are you saying we should start an Aspie Union? :-o

How about teaming up to start our own companies where things are adapted to

our needs? Where one is not overwhelmed by sensory input, restricted by

dress codes, interrupted every 10 seconds, or expected to socialize more

than work?

How about starting an Aspie radio station? ;-)

Inger

Re: You know i find it sad and depressing too

Hey, let's have all who have been diagnosed with Asperger' living in

the United States boycott the workplace, especially the private

sector.

If you work in the private sector, QUIT YOUR JOB NOW! All private

sector jobs are dead-end jobs. You will have no opportunities for

advancement. Your hard work has NO VALUE in the private sector. And

you will never get a raise.

The best way to organize is to tell the private sector that we

aren't going to take their crap anymore. TREAT US WITH RESPECT. If

they don't, then we shouldn't be working in the private sector.

I left the private sector six and a half years ago. I've made more

money working for the State of Illinois than I ever did in the

private sector. If you can't get a job with local or state

government (forget about the federal government until the Democrats

are back in power), then don't go looking for a job. The life you

save will be yours.

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

[Guest guest]

Hmm, are you saying we should start an Aspie Union? :-o

How about teaming up to start our own companies where things are adapted to

our needs? Where one is not overwhelmed by sensory input, restricted by

dress codes, interrupted every 10 seconds, or expected to socialize more

than work?

How about starting an Aspie radio station? ;-)

Inger

Re: You know i find it sad and depressing too

Hey, let's have all who have been diagnosed with Asperger' living in

the United States boycott the workplace, especially the private

sector.

If you work in the private sector, QUIT YOUR JOB NOW! All private

sector jobs are dead-end jobs. You will have no opportunities for

advancement. Your hard work has NO VALUE in the private sector. And

you will never get a raise.

The best way to organize is to tell the private sector that we

aren't going to take their crap anymore. TREAT US WITH RESPECT. If

they don't, then we shouldn't be working in the private sector.

I left the private sector six and a half years ago. I've made more

money working for the State of Illinois than I ever did in the

private sector. If you can't get a job with local or state

government (forget about the federal government until the Democrats

are back in power), then don't go looking for a job. The life you

save will be yours.

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/29/2005 10:53:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes:

I wonder what would happen? I can't get it out of my head that NTs would fight us viciously to keep us down and we'd lose, unless there are so many Autistics/Aspergers in key positions in the world that they could strike and be in a position to make demands.

What would happen is that we would end up unemployed and made to look ridiculous in the nation media. We'd have a much harder time after that actually finding work at all, not to mention that most people who had never heard of AS before would have a very negative opinion of us after that.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/29/2005 1:38:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rainbow@... writes:

Excuse me! If you act with dignity, and I would add, grace, WHEREVER you are, you will always be given respect. This is heaven, or hell, on earth, depending on how YOU live this life, here and now, wherever you are. It's all about YOUR attitude, your approach, toward those around you that makes things work, or not. We ARE different, but that is our ADVANTAGE.

Rainbow

I agree with Rainbow on this. Your personal bearing and attitude has great influence on how others will treat you and how likely you will be to find a job. If you go in with confidence and a friendly demeanor, you will have a much better chance of getting a job than if you go in angry with a chip on your shoulder.

By the same token, being angry all the time is going to make this world hell. A moderate attitude at least will improve things.

[Guest guest]

I wonder what would happen? I can't get it out of my head that NTs

would fight us viciously to keep us down and we'd lose, unless there

are so many Autistics/Aspergers in key positions in the world that

they could strike and be in a position to make demands.

>

> Hmm, are you saying we should start an Aspie Union? :-o

>

> How about teaming up to start our own companies where things are

adapted to

> our needs? Where one is not overwhelmed by sensory input,

restricted by

> dress codes, interrupted every 10 seconds, or expected to socialize

more

> than work?

>

> How about starting an Aspie radio station? ;-)

>

> Inger

>

>

> Re: You know i find it sad and

depressing too

>

>

> Hey, let's have all who have been diagnosed with Asperger' living in

> the United States boycott the workplace, especially the private

> sector.

>

> If you work in the private sector, QUIT YOUR JOB NOW! All private

> sector jobs are dead-end jobs. You will have no opportunities for

> advancement. Your hard work has NO VALUE in the private sector. And

> you will never get a raise.

>

> The best way to organize is to tell the private sector that we

> aren't going to take their crap anymore. TREAT US WITH RESPECT. If

> they don't, then we shouldn't be working in the private sector.

>

> I left the private sector six and a half years ago. I've made more

> money working for the State of Illinois than I ever did in the

> private sector. If you can't get a job with local or state

> government (forget about the federal government until the Democrats

> are back in power), then don't go looking for a job. The life you

> save will be yours.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

support and

> acceptance. Everyone is valued.

>

> Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page

in the

> folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder what would happen? I can't get it out of my head that NTs

would fight us viciously to keep us down and we'd lose, unless there

are so many Autistics/Aspergers in key positions in the world that

they could strike and be in a position to make demands.

>

> Hmm, are you saying we should start an Aspie Union? :-o

>

> How about teaming up to start our own companies where things are

adapted to

> our needs? Where one is not overwhelmed by sensory input,

restricted by

> dress codes, interrupted every 10 seconds, or expected to socialize

more

> than work?

>

> How about starting an Aspie radio station? ;-)

>

> Inger

>

>

> Re: You know i find it sad and

depressing too

>

>

> Hey, let's have all who have been diagnosed with Asperger' living in

> the United States boycott the workplace, especially the private

> sector.

>

> If you work in the private sector, QUIT YOUR JOB NOW! All private

> sector jobs are dead-end jobs. You will have no opportunities for

> advancement. Your hard work has NO VALUE in the private sector. And

> you will never get a raise.

>

> The best way to organize is to tell the private sector that we

> aren't going to take their crap anymore. TREAT US WITH RESPECT. If

> they don't, then we shouldn't be working in the private sector.

>

> I left the private sector six and a half years ago. I've made more

> money working for the State of Illinois than I ever did in the

> private sector. If you can't get a job with local or state

> government (forget about the federal government until the Democrats

> are back in power), then don't go looking for a job. The life you

> save will be yours.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

support and

> acceptance. Everyone is valued.

>

> Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page

in the

> folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

>

[Guest guest]

" How about starting an Aspie radio station? ;-) "

Ooooooooo that sounds like a good idea :-)

>

> Hmm, are you saying we should start an Aspie Union? :-o

>

> How about teaming up to start our own companies where things are

adapted to

> our needs? Where one is not overwhelmed by sensory input,

restricted by

> dress codes, interrupted every 10 seconds, or expected to socialize

more

> than work?

>

> How about starting an Aspie radio station? ;-)

>

> Inger

>

>

> Re: You know i find it sad and

depressing too

>

>

> Hey, let's have all who have been diagnosed with Asperger' living in

> the United States boycott the workplace, especially the private

> sector.

>

> If you work in the private sector, QUIT YOUR JOB NOW! All private

> sector jobs are dead-end jobs. You will have no opportunities for

> advancement. Your hard work has NO VALUE in the private sector. And

> you will never get a raise.

>

> The best way to organize is to tell the private sector that we

> aren't going to take their crap anymore. TREAT US WITH RESPECT. If

> they don't, then we shouldn't be working in the private sector.

>

> I left the private sector six and a half years ago. I've made more

> money working for the State of Illinois than I ever did in the

> private sector. If you can't get a job with local or state

> government (forget about the federal government until the Democrats

> are back in power), then don't go looking for a job. The life you

> save will be yours.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

support and

> acceptance. Everyone is valued.

>

> Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page

in the

> folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

>

[Guest guest]

>: "....it would have to be another country where ...... people with Asperger's are treated with respect and dignity."Excuse me! If you act with dignity, and I would add, grace, WHEREVER you are, you will always be given respect. This is heaven, or hell, on earth, depending on how YOU live this life, here and now, wherever you are. It's all about YOUR attitude, your approach, toward those around you that makes things work, or not. We ARE different, but that is our ADVANTAGE.  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

Rainbow,

This is an outstanding insight! Thanks for posting it!

Tom

Administrator

>: " ....it would have to be another country where ...... people

with Asperger's are treated with respect and dignity. "

Excuse me! If you act with dignity, and I would add, grace, WHEREVER

you are, you will always be given respect. This is heaven, or hell,

on earth, depending on how YOU live this life, here and now,

wherever you are. It's all about YOUR attitude, your approach,

toward those around you that makes things work, or not. We ARE

different, but that is our ADVANTAGE.

Rainbow

[Guest guest]

Rainbow,

This is an outstanding insight! Thanks for posting it!

Tom

Administrator

>: " ....it would have to be another country where ...... people

with Asperger's are treated with respect and dignity. "

Excuse me! If you act with dignity, and I would add, grace, WHEREVER

you are, you will always be given respect. This is heaven, or hell,

on earth, depending on how YOU live this life, here and now,

wherever you are. It's all about YOUR attitude, your approach,

toward those around you that makes things work, or not. We ARE

different, but that is our ADVANTAGE.

Rainbow

[Guest guest]

Only a damned fool (in the biblical usage of " damned " and " fool " )

would consider such a course of action. Do you *really* think that

would benefit anyone, especially those stupid enough to follow your

idea?

" Yeah, let's all go 'on strike' individually from our private jobs

because we're convinced this one guy that says any private job we

have now which provides us a way to survive is only a dead-end job,

and thus the only way to benefit is to not put up with private

employers and their jobs anymore! " Yeah, that's real wisdom! You

realize how easily most people can be replaced in the workforce, and

you know who would replace you, don't you? You also know what that

would do for your prospects of future employment (assuming any is

forthcoming) or qualifying for any assistance that may be needed

later? Imagine being asked by someone put in charge of your case

either in a governmental agency, or another potential employer

asking: " So, what happened here? Suddenly you stopped working. What

was the reason? " and you explain, " Because I had this idea that if I,

along with all the other people that were encouraged to go along with

this plan, should quit my private sector employment because it would

only ever be a dead-end job, and I had my dignity to protect! " Guess

how many bridges that act blows up, while leaving mines scattered all

over the place? It's a simple matter for employers to verify a lot

of things about your employment history, and this sort of thing is

severely frowned upon by any potential employer, with it being a big

black mark for any potential employment that's more complex than

being a janitor or a burger-flipper, because there's a lot of money

and time involved in training a worker as required for that

particular job, even if they have lots of transferable skills,

because there's still the need to learn the procedures and the

special things about that situation.

It doesn't take too long of being out of the workforce before you

will find it *much* harder to find another position, because there's

the thought " If they've been out of the workforce this long, there's

definitely something wrong " and your resume/C.V. will likely get

passed over before you even get called. And the thought of going

into the public sector for employment? I don't know what reality

*you* live in, but there's a finite number of publicly-employed

workers, and it often takes connections to get those jobs via social

networking. On top of that, depending on where you're at, there's

always a good chance of budgets not being approved due to some change

in public policy, and there goes your job. In addition, there's no

less in the way of political manuevering in public employment than in

the private sector: public employment is, after all, a case of a

system entirely determined to exist by the virtue of political

pressures, and *not* on the commonly shared (between lowly workers

and upper management) goal of making money. If you want to be a

damned fool by yourself, please, don't mention Asperger's or anything

like that to those that inquire as to the reasoning: I don't want to

be painted the color of a damned fool that's a lazy arrogant jerk,

believing that all in life must go as they say it should go, merely

because they feel entitled to respect simply because they demand it.

No, if you want respect, while a certain amount is fair to extend to

someone without knowing them, the rest needs to be earned with

diligent work over a period of time, with true effort at being at

least proficient in whatever task is set before you. The reality is

that most jobs will eventually have a limit as to where you can

progress within that job: that's not a particular fault with anything

but a lack of understanding of reality to expect anything different.

After all, there's only one CEO of each company, in the majority of

cases. How do you think they became CEO's in most cases? By a long

period of work where they proved themselves worthy of the position in

some manner. At least, that's likely to be the case for those that

last very long in the private sector, since investors (if it's a

company not owned wholly by the CEO personally) have this funny thing

called wanting to make money to guide them in choosing when to

relieve a CEO and related officers of a corporation of their

positions. A good CEO leads by example of doing useful things: can

you lead by example of doing good things that benefit the employer?

If you can't, then you can expect to remain in a dead-end job, or get

terminated. Being a quitter is not leading by good example: that's

leading by being a loser and a spoil-sport, pure and simple. That's

an act that demonstrates your unwillingness to compete on merit, and

to try to live on fiat alone, if you quit something merely because

you think it's below your dignity. Quitting as condoned by your

message is destructive criticism, where the destruction has long-term

consequences, and doesn't affect only you, if you do it in the name

of some group of people you would claim to be a part of. There's at

least one person that would claim to represent those of my general

type to the rest of the world, and that person acts in such a way

that I'd rather they weren't heard at all, because that person is as

useful for representing what I'd be a part of as Al-Quiada terrorist

is useful for representing Islamic beliefs, based on their acts and

demeanor, and their acidic abrasive and generally destructive

methods. All that's accomplished by naming a group in such a damned

fool plan as this is to get the exactly wrong publicity that

contributes to a negative stereotype, working against the stated

goals in the first place. Believe it or not, there are those of us

that do have worthwhile private sector jobs, and we actually enjoy

the work and the things that go with it, even if it isn't perfect in

your eyes. In addition, there's a lot of us that simply couldn't

survive for very long without the so-called (and quite often likely

to be true) dead-end private sector jobs, because the alternative

isn't nearly sufficient. If you've had long-term employment

previously, it'd be nearly impossible to prove to the ones that

decide such things that you're a valid case for receiving public

assistance, of which there are many hoops that are associated with

getting, at least in the US. If you're reduced in life down to

getting government disability payments, you are forced (if you live

by the rules and are honest) to be quite destitute beyond (perhaps)

the bare minimum for raw survival. The system strongly discourages

having partial public assistance with partial outside income and

resources, to where if you get more than a minimal amount from the

outside resources, you get *nothing* from the public assistance. In

addition to all those strings attached, it usually takes a very long

time between applying for it and getting it, assuming the public

assistance is ever awarded. Unless you have a large amount of

resources to live off during that process, bankruptcy is a very

probable result along the way, as well as homelessness being an

increasingly likely prospect. Once you get to the point of getting

public assistance, you have much less freedom of where you can live,

whom is living with you, what you buy, etc. that would likely make

the living arrangements far more intolerable than just getting on

with life with a job in the world of work, and all that goes with it.

If you must insist on quitting any particular job, it's far wiser to

have already accepted a position at an employer elsewhere. It's a

much greater bargaining position to apply for a job when you already

have one: you don't look as desperate, and indeed, you aren't as

desperate, so you have the freedom to either keep on working the

current job, or trying the new one. Being a taxpayer myself, there's

no way in hell I want to be paying for the support of people that are

quite capable of working, but choose not to, simply because they feel

entitled to something. As far as I'm concerned, such people can live

on the streets in a cardboard box, and all that goes with it, because

they've earned that situation. I feel zero pity for capable-but-lazy

people that don't try to earn their way. You'd be surprised what a

great motivator the threat of losing everything you own is towards

taking a job you previously wouldn't have contemplated: been there,

done that. Nothing in this world is free, except your will, of which

you're the only one that can determine what you attempt to do.

Swallow your foolish pride, then demonstrate good pride in yourself

by working at bettering your situation, regardless of how annoying or

unfair you think life is: life is only as fair as you make it.

>

> Hey, let's have all who have been diagnosed with Asperger' living

in

> the United States boycott the workplace, especially the private

> sector.

>

> If you work in the private sector, QUIT YOUR JOB NOW! All private

> sector jobs are dead-end jobs. You will have no opportunities for

> advancement. Your hard work has NO VALUE in the private sector. And

> you will never get a raise.

>

> The best way to organize is to tell the private sector that we

> aren't going to take their crap anymore. TREAT US WITH RESPECT. If

> they don't, then we shouldn't be working in the private sector.

>

> I left the private sector six and a half years ago. I've made more

> money working for the State of Illinois than I ever did in the

> private sector. If you can't get a job with local or state

> government (forget about the federal government until the Democrats

> are back in power), then don't go looking for a job. The life you

> save will be yours.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Only a damned fool (in the biblical usage of " damned " and " fool " )

would consider such a course of action. Do you *really* think that

would benefit anyone, especially those stupid enough to follow your

idea?

" Yeah, let's all go 'on strike' individually from our private jobs

because we're convinced this one guy that says any private job we

have now which provides us a way to survive is only a dead-end job,

and thus the only way to benefit is to not put up with private

employers and their jobs anymore! " Yeah, that's real wisdom! You

realize how easily most people can be replaced in the workforce, and

you know who would replace you, don't you? You also know what that

would do for your prospects of future employment (assuming any is

forthcoming) or qualifying for any assistance that may be needed

later? Imagine being asked by someone put in charge of your case

either in a governmental agency, or another potential employer

asking: " So, what happened here? Suddenly you stopped working. What

was the reason? " and you explain, " Because I had this idea that if I,

along with all the other people that were encouraged to go along with

this plan, should quit my private sector employment because it would

only ever be a dead-end job, and I had my dignity to protect! " Guess

how many bridges that act blows up, while leaving mines scattered all

over the place? It's a simple matter for employers to verify a lot

of things about your employment history, and this sort of thing is

severely frowned upon by any potential employer, with it being a big

black mark for any potential employment that's more complex than

being a janitor or a burger-flipper, because there's a lot of money

and time involved in training a worker as required for that

particular job, even if they have lots of transferable skills,

because there's still the need to learn the procedures and the

special things about that situation.

It doesn't take too long of being out of the workforce before you

will find it *much* harder to find another position, because there's

the thought " If they've been out of the workforce this long, there's

definitely something wrong " and your resume/C.V. will likely get

passed over before you even get called. And the thought of going

into the public sector for employment? I don't know what reality

*you* live in, but there's a finite number of publicly-employed

workers, and it often takes connections to get those jobs via social

networking. On top of that, depending on where you're at, there's

always a good chance of budgets not being approved due to some change

in public policy, and there goes your job. In addition, there's no

less in the way of political manuevering in public employment than in

the private sector: public employment is, after all, a case of a

system entirely determined to exist by the virtue of political

pressures, and *not* on the commonly shared (between lowly workers

and upper management) goal of making money. If you want to be a

damned fool by yourself, please, don't mention Asperger's or anything

like that to those that inquire as to the reasoning: I don't want to

be painted the color of a damned fool that's a lazy arrogant jerk,

believing that all in life must go as they say it should go, merely

because they feel entitled to respect simply because they demand it.

No, if you want respect, while a certain amount is fair to extend to

someone without knowing them, the rest needs to be earned with

diligent work over a period of time, with true effort at being at

least proficient in whatever task is set before you. The reality is

that most jobs will eventually have a limit as to where you can

progress within that job: that's not a particular fault with anything

but a lack of understanding of reality to expect anything different.

After all, there's only one CEO of each company, in the majority of

cases. How do you think they became CEO's in most cases? By a long

period of work where they proved themselves worthy of the position in

some manner. At least, that's likely to be the case for those that

last very long in the private sector, since investors (if it's a

company not owned wholly by the CEO personally) have this funny thing

called wanting to make money to guide them in choosing when to

relieve a CEO and related officers of a corporation of their

positions. A good CEO leads by example of doing useful things: can

you lead by example of doing good things that benefit the employer?

If you can't, then you can expect to remain in a dead-end job, or get

terminated. Being a quitter is not leading by good example: that's

leading by being a loser and a spoil-sport, pure and simple. That's

an act that demonstrates your unwillingness to compete on merit, and

to try to live on fiat alone, if you quit something merely because

you think it's below your dignity. Quitting as condoned by your

message is destructive criticism, where the destruction has long-term

consequences, and doesn't affect only you, if you do it in the name

of some group of people you would claim to be a part of. There's at

least one person that would claim to represent those of my general

type to the rest of the world, and that person acts in such a way

that I'd rather they weren't heard at all, because that person is as

useful for representing what I'd be a part of as Al-Quiada terrorist

is useful for representing Islamic beliefs, based on their acts and

demeanor, and their acidic abrasive and generally destructive

methods. All that's accomplished by naming a group in such a damned

fool plan as this is to get the exactly wrong publicity that

contributes to a negative stereotype, working against the stated

goals in the first place. Believe it or not, there are those of us

that do have worthwhile private sector jobs, and we actually enjoy

the work and the things that go with it, even if it isn't perfect in

your eyes. In addition, there's a lot of us that simply couldn't

survive for very long without the so-called (and quite often likely

to be true) dead-end private sector jobs, because the alternative

isn't nearly sufficient. If you've had long-term employment

previously, it'd be nearly impossible to prove to the ones that

decide such things that you're a valid case for receiving public

assistance, of which there are many hoops that are associated with

getting, at least in the US. If you're reduced in life down to

getting government disability payments, you are forced (if you live

by the rules and are honest) to be quite destitute beyond (perhaps)

the bare minimum for raw survival. The system strongly discourages

having partial public assistance with partial outside income and

resources, to where if you get more than a minimal amount from the

outside resources, you get *nothing* from the public assistance. In

addition to all those strings attached, it usually takes a very long

time between applying for it and getting it, assuming the public

assistance is ever awarded. Unless you have a large amount of

resources to live off during that process, bankruptcy is a very

probable result along the way, as well as homelessness being an

increasingly likely prospect. Once you get to the point of getting

public assistance, you have much less freedom of where you can live,

whom is living with you, what you buy, etc. that would likely make

the living arrangements far more intolerable than just getting on

with life with a job in the world of work, and all that goes with it.

If you must insist on quitting any particular job, it's far wiser to

have already accepted a position at an employer elsewhere. It's a

much greater bargaining position to apply for a job when you already

have one: you don't look as desperate, and indeed, you aren't as

desperate, so you have the freedom to either keep on working the

current job, or trying the new one. Being a taxpayer myself, there's

no way in hell I want to be paying for the support of people that are

quite capable of working, but choose not to, simply because they feel

entitled to something. As far as I'm concerned, such people can live

on the streets in a cardboard box, and all that goes with it, because

they've earned that situation. I feel zero pity for capable-but-lazy

people that don't try to earn their way. You'd be surprised what a

great motivator the threat of losing everything you own is towards

taking a job you previously wouldn't have contemplated: been there,

done that. Nothing in this world is free, except your will, of which

you're the only one that can determine what you attempt to do.

Swallow your foolish pride, then demonstrate good pride in yourself

by working at bettering your situation, regardless of how annoying or

unfair you think life is: life is only as fair as you make it.

>

> Hey, let's have all who have been diagnosed with Asperger' living

in

> the United States boycott the workplace, especially the private

> sector.

>

> If you work in the private sector, QUIT YOUR JOB NOW! All private

> sector jobs are dead-end jobs. You will have no opportunities for

> advancement. Your hard work has NO VALUE in the private sector. And

> you will never get a raise.

>

> The best way to organize is to tell the private sector that we

> aren't going to take their crap anymore. TREAT US WITH RESPECT. If

> they don't, then we shouldn't be working in the private sector.

>

> I left the private sector six and a half years ago. I've made more

> money working for the State of Illinois than I ever did in the

> private sector. If you can't get a job with local or state

> government (forget about the federal government until the Democrats

> are back in power), then don't go looking for a job. The life you

> save will be yours.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>no_reply: "......life is only as fair as you make it.", I want you to understand this! Then you will have peace.  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

>no_reply: "......life is only as fair as you make it.", I want you to understand this! Then you will have peace.  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I agree with you . And I would like to add that many Asperger are luckily intelligent enough to find their own way in this society. Especially in this forum I have been able to admire how every single one of us is surviving or looking for a way to do so... and there is reason for optimism: most of us learn to live life someway or an other.

And I would like to remind something: For every person on this planet life is difficult. Every human meets his/her own challenge in life. And although it sometimes may look as if others are in a 'better' position, one is not able to see all aspects of the lives of others. To be more specific: I don't know any 'NT' person who has an easy life. They just struggle with other things. There is nothing wrong in struggling with dignity.

Lida

and wrote:

I wonder what would happen? I can't get it out of my head that NTs would fight us viciously to keep us down and we'd lose, unless there are so many Autistics/Aspergers in key positions in the world that they could strike and be in a position to make demands.

What would happen is that we would end up unemployed and made to look ridiculous in the nation media. We'd have a much harder time after that actually finding work at all, not to mention that most people who had never heard of AS before would have a very negative opinion of us after that.

[Guest guest]

Oh, I didn't mean if we went on strike but I was responding to the

post about forming a union and starting our own radio station and

things like these where we tried to separate ourselves. I think it

would make others very nervous because we are different and they

don't like things to be different especially because it would disturb

their status quo that they've worked so hard to establish and keep

and they also they fear our intelligence and talents and don't want

to be bested. I think they would keep us down by whatever means

possible.

>

>

> In a message dated 12/29/2005 10:53:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> mikecarrie01@y... writes:

>

> I wonder what would happen? I can't get it out of my head that NTs

> would fight us viciously to keep us down and we'd lose, unless

there

> are so many Autistics/Aspergers in key positions in the world that

> they could strike and be in a position to make demands.

>

>

>

> What would happen is that we would end up unemployed and made to

look

> ridiculous in the nation media. We'd have a much harder time after

that actually

> finding work at all, not to mention that most people who had never

heard of AS

> before would have a very negative opinion of us after that.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The bit about heaven and hell reminded me of a time when someone called

me an angel - my reply was 'if I am an angel, then I am also a demon':-)

>

> >: " ....it would have to be another country where ...... people

> with Asperger's are treated with respect and dignity. "

>

> Excuse me! If you act with dignity, and I would add, grace, WHEREVER

> you are, you will always be given respect. This is heaven, or hell,

> on earth, depending on how YOU live this life, here and now,

wherever

> you are. It's all about YOUR attitude, your approach, toward those

> around you that makes things work, or not. We ARE different, but

that

> is our ADVANTAGE.

> Rainbow

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you, Lida. It's a struggle but worth it. Struggle means

hard work and pain but that also helps define our character and makes

us strong to a certain degree. We Aspies can't say it's not fair,

because life isn't fair and once there's an acceptance of that the

fight is much easier.

I don't know what others are going through, though, and if they're at

a point where they are hitting the wall and just can't do it. The

world is a cold place and people can easily fall through the cracks.

How to help people and empower them at the same time? Aspie support

groups?

> I wonder what would happen? I can't get it out of my head that

NTs

> would fight us viciously to keep us down and we'd lose, unless

there

> are so many Autistics/Aspergers in key positions in the world

that

> they could strike and be in a position to make demands.

>

> What would happen is that we would end up unemployed and made to

look ridiculous in the nation media. We'd have a much harder time

after that actually finding work at all, not to mention that most

people who had never heard of AS before would have a very negative

opinion of us after that.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>There is nothing wrong in struggling with dignity.

>

> Lida

>

yes, that's a nice one. I'd add that struggling without dignity is

also just part of life... I'm a bit depressed, but struggling, in

whatever way, is just part of life. It doesn't even matter in which

direction you're struggling (struggling to climb a mountain,

struggling to keep your head above water, or struggling to get

yourself over the fear to jump off a tower) struggling is struggling.

Ha, how depressed can one be =) I like black humor, it keeps my mind

from nastier stuff when I'm down..