Re: Hell Test

December 14, 2005

In a message dated 12/14/2005 5:17:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rainbow@... writes:

>Tom: "There's no way it could be right. It put me on the 7th level of hell! "

Tom,

Just remember, you have one last chance before entering Hell proper. Just beyond the Virtuous Pagan area there is something of a waiting zone. In this area, if you truly repent (that is you repent and really mean and aren't simply trying to stay out of Hell) then you will be forgiven and whisked away. If you refuse to repent, you will be drawn across the waters and into Hell.

December 14, 2005

Looking through the documentation on that test I found the following.

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/seven_deadly_sins.html

This is the Seven Deadly Sins test. I scored high on Sloth, and moderate on Wrath, low on the others but very low on Pride.

December 14, 2005

In a message dated 12/14/2005 8:36:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rainbow@... writes:

>: "If you refuse to repent, you will be drawn across the waters and into Hell."

Tonight!

This is how Dante wrote it. I think the intent was to show that there was a change for redemption even on the brink of damnation. It also means that those in Hell were too wedded to their ways to refuse to repent even when staring Hell in the face. So, the people in Hell deserve to be there because they were totally unrepentant.

Willam

December 14, 2005

>Tom: "There's no way it could be right. It put me on the 7th level of hell! "LOL!!! Time to change your 'ways'? Rainbow

December 14, 2005

>Tom: "There's no way it could be right. It put me on the 7th level of hell! "LOL!!! Time to change your 'ways'? Rainbow

December 14, 2005

" But I think it must be malfunctioning; I ended up on level 2, along

with Cleopatra and Helen of Troy... "

Ditto :-)

>

> Ender:

> > I happened across a " Where do you fit it Hell " test at

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv. I test out as a

cross between a " Virtuous Non-Believer " and a " Heretic " scoring very

high on both... Can you be a heretic if you don't believe in the

first place???

>

> LOL! Very interesting test!

>

> But I think it must be malfunctioning; I ended up on level 2, along

with Cleopatra and Helen of Troy...

>

> Inger

>

December 14, 2005

Mmmmmm I just read the description for the 7th level - didn't sound

nice.

Ender: >

>

> I happened across a " Where do you fit it Hell " test at

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv. I test out as a

cross between a " Virtuous Non-Believer " and a " Heretic " scoring very

high on both... Can you be a heretic if you don't believe in the

first place???

>

> LOL! Very interesting test! But I think it must be malfunctioning;

I ended up on level 2, along with Cleopatra and Helen of Troy... Inger

>

December 14, 2005

At 05:30 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote:

Looking through the documentation on

that test I found the following.

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/seven_deadly_sins.html

This is the Seven Deadly Sins test. I scored high on Sloth, and moderate

on Wrath, low on the others but very low on Pride.

Another good one... I'm High on Sloth too... I have depression and not

getting out of bed sometimes goes with that...

I came out low or very low on the others...

Ender

December 14, 2005

Greed: Medium

Gluttony: Medium

Wrath: Medium

Sloth: Medium

Envy: Low

Lust: Very Low

Pride: Medium

I find the Lust thing very hard to believe.

Tom

December 15, 2005

To quote from the documentation for the test...

" Some have wondered whether the test has an agenda -- Is it

pro-Christian? Is it anti-gay? Is there a political bias? The only agenda

the test has is to stay as loyal to Dante's Inferno as possible. Anything

less would not do justice to this important literary work. For example,

in Dante's version of hell, gays are cursed to spend eternity in Level 7.

In order to stay loyal to the text, the Dante's Inferno Test has to

consider a person's homosexuality and then potentially damn them to Level

7 hellfire. However, no single issue will decide one's fate. Extenuating

circumstances could land a gay test taker in Limbo, for example. Other

factors might result in a different level being the most

appropriate. "

That said if I remember my High School English correctly I should point

out that... Dante's Inferno was one of the first published works to have

been written in Italian rather than Latin so that it would be

" available " to the masses. And Dante wrote it for the

masses. It was not well received by the Church... as Dante reserved

special places in his hell for the self righteous and hypocritical

members of the clergy... That said it is possible that being too

" good " might skew the test toward the deeper regions of

hell... to support that theory I quote...

" The site that hosts the Dante's Inferno Test is 4degreez.com -- an

online community for teenagers and college students founded in 1998. This

community grew in popularity because of it's special and quirky mix of

people who were interested in debating political issues, exchanging

philosophies, writing poetry, and forming friendships. "

That said, take it with a grain of salt... Actually you should take

everything with a grain of salt... What was it Puck said at the end of

" A Mid-Summer Night Dream " about being but shadows that only

wanted to amuse and did not mean to offend...

Ender

At 06:32 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote:

Wow Tom your on 7 im on 1 it

must be malfunctioning

Charon ushers you across the river Acheron, and you find yourself

upon the brink of grief's abysmal valley. You are in Limbo, a place of

sorrow without torment. You encounter a seven-walled castle, and within

those walls you find rolling fresh meadows illuminated by the light of

reason, whereabout many shades dwell. These are the virtuous pagans, the

great philosophers and authors, unbaptised children, and others unfit to

enter the kingdom of heaven. You share company with Caesar, Homer,

Virgil, Socrates, and Aristotle. There is no punishment here, and the

atmosphere is peaceful, yet sad.

This is one, I know Im worse that that.

Beth

environmental1st2003 <no_reply >

wrote:

There's no way it could be right. It put me on the 7th level of

hell!

Tom

Administrator

Ender: >

I happened across a " Where do you fit it Hell " test

at

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv. I test out as a

cross between a " Virtuous Non-Believer " and a

" Heretic " scoring very high on both... Can you be a heretic if

you don't believe in the first place???

LOL! Very interesting test! But I think it must be

malfunctioning; I ended up on level 2, along with Cleopatra and Helen of

Troy... Inger

December 15, 2005

>Tom: "There's no way it could be right. It put me on the 7th level of hell! "All depends on what you mean by 'right'. By lying I managed to rise all the way to the top! Rainbow

December 15, 2005

>Ender: "Actually you should take everything with a grain of salt..."Actually I hope all my posts are taken with a grain of salt and pepper! Rainbow

December 15, 2005

I wonder if it considers being European in general and Swedish in particular

a mitigating circumstance...?

Inger

Re: Hell Test

" But I think it must be malfunctioning; I ended up on level 2, along

with Cleopatra and Helen of Troy... "

Ditto :-)

>

> Ender:

> > I happened across a " Where do you fit it Hell " test at

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv. I test out as a

cross between a " Virtuous Non-Believer " and a " Heretic " scoring very

high on both... Can you be a heretic if you don't believe in the

first place???

>

> LOL! Very interesting test!

>

> But I think it must be malfunctioning; I ended up on level 2, along

with Cleopatra and Helen of Troy...

>

> Inger

>

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December 15, 2005

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LOL! I was just wondering if you get extra points for answering truthfully.

Obviously not! :-/

Inger

Re: Re: Hell Test

>Tom: "There's no way it could be right. It put me on the 7th level of hell!?"

All depends on what you mean by 'right'. By lying I managed to rise all the way to the top!

?Rainbow

December 15, 2005

And by telling the truth I sunk all the way to the bottom!!!

Tom

>Tom: " There's no way it could be right. It put me on the 7th level of

hell! "

All depends on what you mean by 'right'. By lying I managed to rise all

the way to the top!

Rainbow

December 15, 2005

I think the levels are more a reflection of Dante's opinions of which sins are

worse than any official church ideas about the matter. Although certain

churches or pastors have certain sins that they tend to preach against more

often than others, I don't think I have ever seen a ranking of sins. I don't

think the contempory churches or the churches at the time would agree with his

assesment. I have never heard any churches preaching against self-rightousness

(some seemed to even encourage it). I have not heard any church take a strong

stand against gluttony either. I have seen many people overeat at church

potlucks and the most it gets would be some mild teasing. Maybe the church at

Dante's time had more to say against it. I find it especially interesting that

pagans get off very lightly in Dante's system. Virtuos pagans are only in

limbo, not the really bad lower levels. I think most churches today (and in

Dante's time as well) would disagree with that.

I only got level 1, limbo. I wonder if perhaps answering yes to the question

" Do you hold any pagan beliefs? " skewed me up to that level.

Ilah

December 16, 2005

That's exactly right the Inferno is Dante's personal view of

hell. The Divine Comedy actually has three parts Inferno, Purgatorio

and Paradiso. And his work of fiction has become the frame work that

most westerners base their views what an afterlife maybe like... but

it has no connection to any religion. Yes, Dante Alighieri was

Catholic (you didn't have much of a choice if you lived in Italy at

that time to not be was apt to get you burned at the stake) but it's

generally accepted he was also an Illuminati as were many famed

probable Aspies of the day (Galileo, Newton, Copernicus, etc).

I can't quote chapter and verse but I distinctly recall admonitions

in both the old and new testaments there suggest that

self-righteousness is bad. The contexts were that making a big show

of your praying and giving to the poor pretty much negated the virtue

in the act... to do something good and then brag about condemned you

for Pride... And that to do " good " is its own reward and you

shouldn't expect or accept praise for it.

Most church's today would disagree with Dante putting " virtuous

nonbeliever " in limbo because most church's today are too busy

telling every that they are the only way and that every other way is

wrong... The have lost track of the true message in that was at the

core of all faiths, that we should all treat each other fairly,

honestly, and with compassion. " Rule One " which all other " rules "

serve to both explain and confuse... " Do Onto Others as You Would

have Them Do Onto You. " Another rule that is at the top of the list

too is, " Do No Harm "

Ender

At 06:50 PM 12/15/2005, you wrote:

>I think the levels are more a reflection of Dante's opinions of

>which sins are worse than any official church ideas about the

>matter. Although certain churches or pastors have certain sins

>that they tend to preach against more often than others, I don't

>think I have ever seen a ranking of sins. I don't think the

>contempory churches or the churches at the time would agree with his

>assesment. I have never heard any churches preaching against

>self-rightousness (some seemed to even encourage it). I have not

>heard any church take a strong stand against gluttony either. I

>have seen many people overeat at church potlucks and the most it

>gets would be some mild teasing. Maybe the church at Dante's time

>had more to say against it. I find it especially interesting that

>pagans get off very lightly in Dante's system. Virtuos pagans are

>only in limbo, not the really bad lower levels. I think most

>churches today (and in Dante's time as well) would disagree with that.

>

>I only got level 1, limbo. I wonder if perhaps answering yes to the

>question " Do you hold any pagan beliefs? " skewed me up to that level.

>

>Ilah

December 16, 2005

I guess thats why I rated so highly I try to live my life to do know harm and to treat others the way I want to be treated. If there is no religions rating in the test it self that would explain it, because I am refered to as a non practicing Jew, or an agnostic. I do belive that there is a higher power, I am not sure what it is, but I don't believe in any of the organized religions. BethEnder <ender@...> wrote: That's exactly right the Inferno is Dante's personal view of hell. The Divine Comedy actually has three parts Inferno, Purgatorio and Paradiso. And his work of fiction has become the frame work that most westerners base their views what an afterlife maybe like... but it has no connection to any religion. Yes, Dante Alighieri was Catholic

(you didn't have much of a choice if you lived in Italy at that time to not be was apt to get you burned at the stake) but it's generally accepted he was also an Illuminati as were many famed probable Aspies of the day (Galileo, Newton, Copernicus, etc).I can't quote chapter and verse but I distinctly recall admonitions in both the old and new testaments there suggest that self-righteousness is bad. The contexts were that making a big show of your praying and giving to the poor pretty much negated the virtue in the act... to do something good and then brag about condemned you for Pride... And that to do "good" is its own reward and you shouldn't expect or accept praise for it.Most church's today would disagree with Dante putting "virtuous nonbeliever" in limbo because most church's today are too busy telling every that they are the only way and that every other way is wrong... The have lost

track of the true message in that was at the core of all faiths, that we should all treat each other fairly, honestly, and with compassion. "Rule One" which all other "rules" serve to both explain and confuse... "Do Onto Others as You Would have Them Do Onto You." Another rule that is at the top of the list too is, "Do No Harm"EnderAt 06:50 PM 12/15/2005, you wrote:>I think the levels are more a reflection of Dante's opinions of >which sins are worse than any official church ideas about the >matter. Although certain churches or pastors have certain sins >that they tend to preach against more often than others, I don't >think I have ever seen a ranking of sins. I don't think the >contempory churches or the churches at the time would agree with his >assesment. I have never heard any churches preaching against >self-rightousness (some seemed to even

encourage it). I have not >heard any church take a strong stand against gluttony either. I >have seen many people overeat at church potlucks and the most it >gets would be some mild teasing. Maybe the church at Dante's time >had more to say against it. I find it especially interesting that >pagans get off very lightly in Dante's system. Virtuos pagans are >only in limbo, not the really bad lower levels. I think most >churches today (and in Dante's time as well) would disagree with that.>>I only got level 1, limbo. I wonder if perhaps answering yes to the >question "Do you hold any pagan beliefs?" skewed me up to that level.>>Ilah __________________________________________________

December 16, 2005

If supermodel Velasquez was a goddess, I would worship her,

but since she is merely mortal, I can but lust after her. (Well, being

religious, I can't either...DANG!!!)

Tom

I do belive that there is a higher power, I am not sure what it is,

but I don't believe in any of the organized religions.

Beth

December 16, 2005

>Tom: "I can but lust after her."How about lust in moderation?Perhaps ALL women are goddesses, worship at will! Rainbow

December 16, 2005

No wonder the people who lived during the middle ages were so

terrified of hell (besides the fact that it presents God as cruel).

The questions, 'have you ever...' as though if you've EVER done

something wrong you're going to hell.

I think it was my 'yes' answer to 'A pimp is a good thing' that

landed me in purgatory. JUST KIDDING!

>

> I think the levels are more a reflection of Dante's opinions of

which sins are worse than any official church ideas about the

matter. Although certain churches or pastors have certain sins that

they tend to preach against more often than others, I don't think I

have ever seen a ranking of sins. I don't think the contempory

churches or the churches at the time would agree with his assesment.

I have never heard any churches preaching against self-rightousness

(some seemed to even encourage it). I have not heard any church take

a strong stand against gluttony either. I have seen many people

overeat at church potlucks and the most it gets would be some mild

teasing. Maybe the church at Dante's time had more to say against

it. I find it especially interesting that pagans get off very

lightly in Dante's system. Virtuos pagans are only in limbo, not the

really bad lower levels. I think most churches today (and in Dante's

time as well) would disagree with that.

>

> I only got level 1, limbo. I wonder if perhaps answering yes to

the question " Do you hold any pagan beliefs? " skewed me up to that

level.

>

> Ilah

>

December 16, 2005