Re: Scary commercial

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It's amazing how people who can see the light, need to live underground to escape the consequences of those who can not comprehend the light!

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In a message dated 12/12/2005 2:15:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, inglori@... writes:

Yes they do. Someone on another board said gas taxes in England were about 87 pounds per liter. In the states they aren't that bad but it is still high.

This was a typo on my part. It was supposed to be .87 of a pound. Somehow the . got left out. Makes a big difference.

Sure, that MUST be their plan. Hey guys, let's keep the streets full of criminals so the ordinary Joe will be trapped in his home. Right...

Actually this does happen in places. The poor neighborhoods in many cities are full of criminals and people are afraid to go outside. A couple of years ago there was a heat wave in Chicago and hundreds died. Many of them were elderly who wouldn't open their windows for fear someone would come in. I know it sounds despicable, but it happens.

Obviously a majority of the polulation have been, including yourself? I have seen this coming for a very long time so I'm not a bit surprised! Are you?

This doesn't include me. I'm not surprised people are willing to give up some of their freedoms for security, but you'd think they'd realize they aren't getting that security. Most people don't realize either that the police are not required to provide protection for individual citizens but rather only the community as a whole. This notion has been upheld in the Supreme Court several times and I have had police officers tell me I am correct on this.

Now, I can see tighter screening for those coming into the country, that makes sense. I can also see screening in other places, provided it is done logically, such as with profiling. Since it isn't the system is really a joke with old women and little kids being pulled out for rigorous screening.

What I don't like is cameras all over the place and these systems that can track all of your movements, purchases and so on. I don't like the way your personal devices can be used to track you (though the GPS feature on my phone which gives a precise fix if I call for help is fine). I also don't like the way people are allowing themselves to be disarmed in the name of security. Evidence shows that this does not affect overall crime rates and indeed they go up when people can't defend themselves. I've had to use weapons, non-lethal ones, to defend myself on a couple of occasions. No police around to help and I'd probably have ended up dead or mauled had I not been armed. I've also got firearms for home defense, which I have never had to fire, but I have frightened off intruders simply by racking the action on the shotgun (which is loaded with the first shot being a bean bag type round that wouldn't kill but would stun however got hit with it, the next rounds are buckshot).

Anyway, rather than see this turn into a big brew up over gun rights, let me just say that I believe in self-sufficiency. I don't believe the government can protect the individual citizen, but it can protect the borders and chase down the bad groups in the country. However, Like we saw on 9/11 and have seen since, it is the people on the planes that rise to their own defense that have deterred repeats of that day more than a few federal marshalls on the planes. Had their risen up sooner, 9/11 wouldn't have happen as is did at all. The people then were conditioned to wait for the police and it was only after people heard on the cellphones what had happened that that one flight fought back, even if it was too late. Today though, it is not uncommon to hear of passengers helping the crew sack unruly people on the plane. I think that is a good thing.

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In a message dated 12/12/2005 3:43:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes:

In the US citizens cannot just vote corrupt people out of office and then vote non-corrupt people in. The type of issues that keep politicians IN office these days are their support of casinos for economically deprived areas, support of the the lottery for poor states, pot legalization, funded hypodermic needle centers for heroin addicts, proliferation of elective abortion on demand, less restrictions on sex and vulgarity on commercial TV, the allowing of x-rated video games for children, and a hardline attitude in favor of the death penalty.

The main problem we have here is one of the voting districts and something called gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is when the politicians redraw voting districts to suit themselves so they can keep getting elected. Some of those maps look really weird because of this.

We also have the new McCain-Finegold law which bans a lot of political speech. Technically it amounts to an incumbent defense act to protect incumbents from those running against them. Even this is not enough, however, as they are pushing for even more restrictions on political speech.

This is another way that poiticians keep getting elected even in blighted and crime ridden areas even though they break their promises to clean the area up.

Unfortunately our system does not have a vote of no confidence like many other places do. I think that would really help. Term limits would help too by keeping a constant turnover in the political realm.

Another problem is the corrupting nature of power. The Republicans started out in 1994 reforming the government and reining in spending. Now that they have been in power for a while, they are outspending even the Democrats. This is happening simply because of the nature of government.

I did try to vote for the least corrupt politicians. That's not always easy even on the local level though. This past election there were two people on the local ballot who were under investigation by various agencies for illegally running their campaigns, fraud and some with criminal charges actually pending against them. The last go round a fool was elected who is now in federal prison for decades of fraud, including running a mortuary where families were given urns full of cement powder and were told it was their deceased (I think that's what it was, some kind of trouble like that).

The elected judges in the next town are notoriously corrupt but nothing happens to them. It is widely known that you can pay to have decisions in your favor, or against someone else. We've had politicians and councilmen netted in drug rings and all kinds of things.

Its just the way it is. Personally I think there should be tests for serving in office. These would be tests on Constitutional, state and federal laws, economics, and ethics. If they don't pass the tests they can't run for office.

It will never happen though because the politicians here nor anywhere else would saddle themselves with such laws.

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In a message dated 12/12/2005 3:56:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, inglori@... writes:

My apologies to . I guess that was really out of line.And my sympathies to you Americans for being stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to voting over there. I guess that's what one would call a lose-lose situation? No matter who you vote for, you get something you don't want implemented against your will?This is why I think party politics should be abolished asap and peole only voting about specific issues. Then it would be the politicians' job to execute the wishes of the people (to the best of their ability). THAT would be TRUE democracy.Inger

Inger,

No offense was taken. I chalked it up to being a reaction to my glaring typo, which I explained in another post.

Its not just Americans that have this problem. It is pretty well universal to politics around the world. I was against the McCain-Finegold bill (as where the majority of Americans) but it was passed anyway. I was against the new Drug program because it was horribly flawed and unworkable, but it was passed anyway. There are plenty of other things have been done that I was against and things that I am for that haven't.

Technically politicians are supposed to do the will of the people, but it doesn't work that way in practice.

Now, I am not a fan of universal suffrage. Adding more voters does not improve the quality of the system but rather will tend to drag it down. This I think is what has happened in the US. What I would like to see is a new system where you have to at least have a high school degree to vote. I would also like to see people having to pass a test, the same one we give to immigrants to become citizens. If a person can't pass that test then they don't know enough about the country and how it works to be an informed voter.

Lastly, I would like to see the vote, at least for the upper houses of government, state and federal, restricted to taxpayers. Taxpayers tend to pay more attention to what is going on, so having them vote for the upper house should improve the quality there.

Still, I don't see any of this happening. Doing any of this would limit the politicians ability for the old standards of class warfare and play the have-nots against the haves.

Really though I think all of this could be solved with one simple program. If Social Security were reformed so that everyone had the same kind of accounts at the Congressmen themselves have, then people would become much more aware of the economy and politics. Oh, these accounts are like mutual funds spread over the entire stock market and they belong to each individual Congressmen, rather than being a dole handed out from the general fund by the government. Business pension plans should be added to that as well, which is fine since the taxpayers are going to be footing the bill for them anyway as businesses are dumping their pension plans left and right. At least this way the business would have nothing to dump and the money would stay with the individual no matter where they worked.

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In a message dated 12/12/2005 4:12:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, inglori@... writes:

Ooops, I just found out I owe you another apology, .Tom pointed out to me that you said .87 pounds a liter, but I did not see that point because my vision is not very good and the glasses I have are useless for the screen. Here in Sweden we would always put a zero before the dot so I totally missed that. I seriously thought that it said 87 pounds a liter (!) wich I thought sounded rather steep, even with today's high prices - it would be something like 150 dollars a liter, LOL! :-DSorry again.Inger

No problem. I already said that the "." didn't seem to come out well. Usually we do put a 0 first too, but I was in a rush. Just goes to show that haste makes waste.

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In a message dated 12/12/2005 3:18:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, inglori@... writes:

> Oh, they are also going to use them to tax drivers based on how much they drive, which will of course have the effect of making people drive less and stay home more.

They do that already with taxes on GAS, ...

> This will hurt the economy a little, but it will serve the government's purpose of keeping people locked up in their homes.

I thought you liked that idea? No one out in the streets making noise?

Yes they do. Someone on another board said gas taxes in England were about 87 pounds per liter. In the states they aren't that bad but it is still high.

87 pounds per liter? LOL! :-D :-D Do me a favor, , and look up the current £ to $currency rates and figure out how much that is in dollars per gallon. I think you will realize yourself that whoever claimed this is pulling your leg. Here in Sweden on the other hand, we have such high taxes on gas that in total it costs us about 12 SEK per liter (with the tax added). That's quite enough to deter any excess driving over here.

> Actually the people driving by aren't that much of a problem, except for the few peons who have their stereos booming. The politicians in some places have been trying to keep people trapped in their homes for a long time. Over here they often do this by keeping the streets full of criminals so people are afraid to go out their front doors even in daylight.

Sure, that MUST be their plan. Hey guys, let's keep the streets full of criminals so the ordinary Joe will be trapped in his home. Right...

> This keeps people isolated and afraid so they are willing to tolerate more crap from the government than they should. So, the people would support more anti-crime measures that turn out to do nothing. Yet when the politicians come around again saying the same thing, they still get the votes but nothing changes.

Well, thare could be SOME truth to that. But whether by desing or just incompetence, who is to say?

> Now politicians can add to that these travel restrictions.

Travel restrictions? It was about tagging cars, not about making restrictions (yet). If you are worried about this, why not join or economically support civil liberty movements that protest against such things being mandatory?

> Well, I just don't trust politicians or government. If it is small and sticks to regulating trade, defense and enforcing lawful contracts, then ok. Its when they inevitably start gobbling up more and more power that you have to worry.

As lin said, "Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither and will lose both."

Obviously a majority of the polulation have been, including yourself? I have seen this coming for a very long time so I'm not a bit surprised! Are you?

If you don't like the way things are going, just vote the curent administration out of office then and vote for politicians more respectful of civil liberties next time. YOU probably helped them into power by voting for them, no?

Shall we send some EU troops to help you get rid of the current administration? ;-)

(Only kidding!)

Inger

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Inger, you cannot warn Ken not to make comments about Bush

and then mock someone else's point of view regarding gas prices and

politics.

In the US citizens cannot just vote corrupt people out of office and

then vote non-corrupt people in. The type of issues that keep

politicians IN office these days are their support of casinos for

economically deprived areas, support of the the lottery for poor

states, pot legalization, funded hypodermic needle centers for

heroin addicts, proliferation of elective abortion on demand, less

restrictions on sex and vulgarity on commercial TV, the allowing of

x-rated video games for children, and a hardline attitude in favor

of the death penalty.

As I have demonstrated in prior posts, the funders who most support

these corrupt politicians and fund the campaigns and coalitions that

support them are casino owners, those in the sex industry such as

the " Committee of 200 " and organization created by Christie Heffner

and made up mostly of ex-playmates who lobby for the loosening of

FCC restrictions on commercial boradcasting, the support of abortion

rights, and funding of HIV/AIDS research in order to prove that the

sex industry is responsible about promoting safe sex.

When you said " YOU probably helped them into power by voting for

them, no? " the answer to that question was most likely " Yes " because

voted for the least corrupt out of all the candidates. The

fact is, nothing short of a national uprising would remove corrupt

politicians from power in the US and replace them with morally

responsible people.

Please do not mock from now on.

Tom

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In a message dated 12/12/2005 3:18:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

inglori@... writes:

> Oh, they are also going to use them to tax drivers based on how

much they drive, which will of course have the effect of making

people drive less and stay home more.

They do that already with taxes on GAS, ...

> This will hurt the economy a little, but it will serve the

government's purpose of keeping people locked up in their homes.

I thought you liked that idea? No one out in the streets making

noise?

Yes they do. Someone on another board said gas taxes in England were

about 87 pounds per liter. In the states they aren't that bad but it

is still high.

87 pounds per liter? LOL! :-D :-D Do me a favor, , and look

up the current £ to $currency rates and figure out how much that is

in dollars per gallon. I think you will realize yourself that

whoever claimed this is pulling your leg. Here in Sweden on the

other hand, we have such high taxes on gas that in total it costs us

about 12 SEK per liter (with the tax added). That's quite enough to

deter any excess driving over here.

> Actually the people driving by aren't that much of a problem,

except for the few peons who have their stereos booming. The

politicians in some places have been trying to keep people trapped

in their homes for a long time. Over here they often do this by

keeping the streets full of criminals so people are afraid to go out

their front doors even in daylight.

Sure, that MUST be their plan. Hey guys, let's keep the streets full

of criminals so the ordinary Joe will be trapped in his home.

Right...

> This keeps people isolated and afraid so they are willing to

tolerate more crap from the government than they should. So, the

people would support more anti-crime measures that turn out to do

nothing. Yet when the politicians come around again saying the same

thing, they still get the votes but nothing changes.

Well, thare could be SOME truth to that. But whether by desing or

just incompetence, who is to say?

> Now politicians can add to that these travel restrictions.

Travel restrictions? It was about tagging cars, not about making

restrictions (yet). If you are worried about this, why not join or

economically support civil liberty movements that protest against

such things being mandatory?

> Well, I just don't trust politicians or government. If it is small

and sticks to regulating trade, defense and enforcing lawful

contracts, then ok. Its when they inevitably start gobbling up more

and more power that you have to worry.

As lin said, " Those willing to give up a little

liberty for a little security deserve neither and will lose both. "

Obviously a majority of the polulation have been, including

yourself? I have seen this coming for a very long time so I'm not a

bit surprised! Are you?

If you don't like the way things are going, just vote the curent

administration out of office then and vote for politicians more

respectful of civil liberties next time. YOU probably helped them

into power by voting for them, no?

Shall we send some EU troops to help you get rid of the current

administration? ;-)

(Only kidding!)

Inger

[Guest guest]

My apologies to . I guess that was really out of line.

And my sympathies to you Americans for being stuck between a rock and a hard

place when it comes to voting over there. I guess that's what one would call

a lose-lose situation? No matter who you vote for, you get something you

don't want implemented against your will?

This is why I think party politics should be abolished asap and peole only

voting about specific issues. Then it would be the politicians' job to

execute the wishes of the people (to the best of their ability). THAT would

be TRUE democracy.

Inger

Re: Re: Scary commercial

In a message dated 12/12/2005 3:18:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

inglori@... writes:

> Oh, they are also going to use them to tax drivers based on how

much they drive, which will of course have the effect of making

people drive less and stay home more.

They do that already with taxes on GAS, ...

> This will hurt the economy a little, but it will serve the

government's purpose of keeping people locked up in their homes.

I thought you liked that idea? No one out in the streets making

noise?

Yes they do. Someone on another board said gas taxes in England were

about 87 pounds per liter. In the states they aren't that bad but it

is still high.

87 pounds per liter? LOL! :-D :-D Do me a favor, , and look

up the current £ to $currency rates and figure out how much that is

in dollars per gallon. I think you will realize yourself that

whoever claimed this is pulling your leg. Here in Sweden on the

other hand, we have such high taxes on gas that in total it costs us

about 12 SEK per liter (with the tax added). That's quite enough to

deter any excess driving over here.

> Actually the people driving by aren't that much of a problem,

except for the few peons who have their stereos booming. The

politicians in some places have been trying to keep people trapped

in their homes for a long time. Over here they often do this by

keeping the streets full of criminals so people are afraid to go out

their front doors even in daylight.

Sure, that MUST be their plan. Hey guys, let's keep the streets full

of criminals so the ordinary Joe will be trapped in his home.

Right...

> This keeps people isolated and afraid so they are willing to

tolerate more crap from the government than they should. So, the

people would support more anti-crime measures that turn out to do

nothing. Yet when the politicians come around again saying the same

thing, they still get the votes but nothing changes.

Well, thare could be SOME truth to that. But whether by desing or

just incompetence, who is to say?

> Now politicians can add to that these travel restrictions.

Travel restrictions? It was about tagging cars, not about making

restrictions (yet). If you are worried about this, why not join or

economically support civil liberty movements that protest against

such things being mandatory?

> Well, I just don't trust politicians or government. If it is small

and sticks to regulating trade, defense and enforcing lawful

contracts, then ok. Its when they inevitably start gobbling up more

and more power that you have to worry.

As lin said, " Those willing to give up a little

liberty for a little security deserve neither and will lose both. "

Obviously a majority of the polulation have been, including

yourself? I have seen this coming for a very long time so I'm not a

bit surprised! Are you?

If you don't like the way things are going, just vote the curent

administration out of office then and vote for politicians more

respectful of civil liberties next time. YOU probably helped them

into power by voting for them, no?

Shall we send some EU troops to help you get rid of the current

administration? ;-)

(Only kidding!)

Inger

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acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

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Ooops, I just found out I owe you another apology, .

Tom pointed out to me that you said .87 pounds a liter, but I did not see

that point because my vision is not very good and the glasses I have are

useless for the screen. Here in Sweden we would always put a zero before the

dot so I totally missed that. I seriously thought that it said 87 pounds a

liter (!) wich I thought sounded rather steep, even with today's high

prices - it would be something like 150 dollars a liter, LOL! :-D

Sorry again.

Inger

[Guest guest]

P.S. Inger, originally wrote .87 pounds per liter. NOT 87.

His figures were right on the money. Your comment was not.

Tom

Yes they do. Someone on another board said gas taxes in England were

about 87 pounds per liter. In the states they aren't that bad but it

is still high.

87 pounds per liter? LOL! :-D :-D Do me a favor, , and look

up the current £ to $currency rates and figure out how much that is

in dollars per gallon. I think you will realize yourself that

whoever claimed this is pulling your leg. Here in Sweden on the

other hand, we have such high taxes on gas that in total it costs us

about 12 SEK per liter (with the tax added). That's quite enough to

deter any excess driving over here.

[Guest guest]

Or maybe not that much. I can't count either. Better stay offline today.

Inger

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Ooops, I just found out I owe you another apology, .

Tom pointed out to me that you said .87 pounds a liter, but I did not see

that point because my vision is not very good and the glasses I have are

useless for the screen. Here in Sweden we would always put a zero before the

dot so I totally missed that. I seriously thought that it said 87 pounds a

liter (!) wich I thought sounded rather steep, even with today's high

prices - it would be something like 150 dollars a liter, LOL! :-D

Sorry again.

Inger

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acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

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Don't get me started.

Ken

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> Re: Re: Scary commercial

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>

> In a message dated 12/12/2005 3:18:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

inglori@s... writes:

> > Oh, they are also going to use them to tax drivers based on how

much they drive, which will of course have the effect of making people

drive less and stay home more.

>

> They do that already with taxes on GAS, ...

>

> > This will hurt the economy a little, but it will serve the

government's purpose of keeping people locked up in their homes.

>

> I thought you liked that idea? No one out in the streets making

noise?

> Yes they do. Someone on another board said gas taxes in England were

about 87 pounds per liter. In the states they aren't that bad but it

is still high.

>

> 87 pounds per liter? LOL! :-D :-D Do me a favor, , and look

up the current £ to $currency rates and figure out how much that is in

dollars per gallon. I think you will realize yourself that whoever

claimed this is pulling your leg. Here in Sweden on the other hand, we

have such high taxes on gas that in total it costs us about 12 SEK per

liter (with the tax added). That's quite enough to deter any excess

driving over here.

>

> > Actually the people driving by aren't that much of a problem,

except for the few peons who have their stereos booming. The

politicians in some places have been trying to keep people trapped in

their homes for a long time. Over here they often do this by keeping

the streets full of criminals so people are afraid to go out their

front doors even in daylight.

>

> Sure, that MUST be their plan. Hey guys, let's keep the streets full

of criminals so the ordinary Joe will be trapped in his home. Right...

>

> > This keeps people isolated and afraid so they are willing to

tolerate more crap from the government than they should. So, the

people would support more anti-crime measures that turn out to do

nothing. Yet when the politicians come around again saying the same

thing, they still get the votes but nothing changes.

>

> Well, thare could be SOME truth to that. But whether by desing or

just incompetence, who is to say?

>

> > Now politicians can add to that these travel restrictions.

>

> Travel restrictions? It was about tagging cars, not about making

restrictions (yet). If you are worried about this, why not join or

economically support civil liberty movements that protest against such

things being mandatory?

>

> > Well, I just don't trust politicians or government. If it is small

and sticks to regulating trade, defense and enforcing lawful

contracts, then ok. Its when they inevitably start gobbling up more

and more power that you have to worry.

>

> As lin said, " Those willing to give up a little

liberty for a little security deserve neither and will lose both. "

>

> Obviously a majority of the polulation have been, including

yourself? I have seen this coming for a very long time so I'm not a

bit surprised! Are you?

>

> If you don't like the way things are going, just vote the curent

administration out of office then and vote for politicians more

respectful of civil liberties next time. YOU probably helped them into

power by voting for them, no?

>

> Shall we send some EU troops to help you get rid of the current

administration? ;-)

> (Only kidding!)

>

> Inger

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps we could just leave this subject and talk about something else?

How is the weather in California?

Inger

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Don't get me started.

Ken

[Guest guest]

The weather in California in exemplary, and shortly I shall join a

friend for a nice walk on the beach. I shall be sending warming

California vibes to all those frolicking in the snow and being helped

down the street by cold winds from the rear.

Ken

>

> Perhaps we could just leave this subject and talk about something else?

>

> How is the weather in California?

>

> Inger

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>

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> Re: Scary commercial

>

>

> Don't get me started.

>

> Ken

>

[Guest guest]

Ooooh, now you have longing for the summer. Only 6 more months to go... :´(

Oh well.. I'll just put another log in the fire...

Inger

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>

>

> Don't get me started.

>

> Ken

>

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acceptance. Everyone is valued.

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>Tom: " voted for the least corrupt out of all the candidates. "HEY, wait a minute! I voted for Ralph Nader!  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

>"about 87 pounds per liter"My email came through without the dot! I just knew somehow there was an error somewhere......  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

>Inger: "How is the weather in California?"Overcast but mild. We're behind on both cold and rain for this time of year. Been getting any snow in Sweden?  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

Zzzzzzzzz... er... what? Snow? Nope. Just cold.

Has there ever been a snowflake in Ca?

Inger

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>Inger: "How is the weather in California?"

Overcast but mild. We're behind on both cold and rain for this time of year. Been getting any snow in Sweden?

Rainbow

[Guest guest]

>Inger: "Has there ever been a snowflake in Ca?"Not where Ken is, I imagine, but I am north and high enough that it generally snows at least a couple of times each winter, usually in February or March. In the past I have had inches of snow that last for several days. People that have never seen snow around here all rush up the hill in mad droves. This makes for pictures on the front page of the newspaper. We talked about calling the 911 emergency line a few days ago. The last heavy snow we had here I couldn't get through to them about a large snowman a bunch of highschoolers had built on a sharp turn right in the middle of the road! On a road well marked as one lane and windy (twisty).  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

LOL! Another instance of "Welcome to 911. All our lines are busy at the moment, please call back another day"?

Did they not have an option that said "If you have a snowman in the middle of the road, please press 5"?

Inger

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>Inger: "Has there ever been a snowflake in Ca?"

Not where Ken is, I imagine, but I am north and high enough that it generally snows at least a couple of times each winter, usually in February or March. In the past I have had inches of snow that last for several days. People that have never seen snow around here all rush up the hill in mad droves. This makes for pictures on the front page of the newspaper. We talked about calling the 911 emergency line a few days ago. The last heavy snow we had here I couldn't get through to them about a large snowman a bunch of highschoolers had built on a sharp turn right in the middle of the road! On a road well marked as one lane and windy (twisty).

Rainbow

[Guest guest]

Hi Inger,

I've heard tales of a snowflake atop the hill here in

Palos Verdes one day during an occasional year. But at

our other place at 6000' in Pine Mountain Club we were

snowed in frequently. One night while I was living

there it snowed 4'!

The location is just south of California's Great Valley

at the west end of the " Big Bend " in the San s

Fault System, north of Los Angeles, and at the western

end of the California's transverse ranges. The Mt.

Pinos-Mt. Abel massif has been raised by the tectonics.

Gotta go,

Sandi

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> >Inger: " Has there ever been a snowflake in Ca? "

>

> Not where Ken is, I imagine, but I am north and high

enough that it generally snows at least a couple of times

each winter, usually in February or March. In the past I

have had inches of snow that last for several days.

[Guest guest]

In the eastern part. The Sierra Nevada mountains even have ski

resorts. You can also see snow on the mountains around Los Angeles and

Palm Springs at times.

On rare occassions, there has been light snow in the San Francisco area.

Ken

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> Zzzzzzzzz... er... what? Snow? Nope. Just cold.

>

> Has there ever been a snowflake in Ca?

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> Inger

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> >Inger: " How is the weather in California? "

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> Overcast but mild. We're behind on both cold and rain for this time

of year. Been getting any snow in Sweden?

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[Guest guest]

" ...and being helped down the street by cold winds from the rear. "

Cold winds up my rear :-) A man nearly backed his bottom into my head

twice yesterday. I was in a cobblers and was sat down putting my

boots on and he had his back to me, but kept stepping back.

Fortunately I was aware enough for no embarassing situation to take

place. Still thinking about it would he have butted me in my head

with his bum or would my head have head butted his bum :-)

Sorry must be in an infantile mood :-)

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> The weather in California in exemplary, and shortly I shall join a

> friend for a nice walk on the beach. I shall be sending warming

> California vibes to all those frolicking in the snow and being

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[Guest guest]

Just wanted to point out that in the original post (17360) there WAS

a point. But no zero. So you BOTH were at fault.

But...I...I luv ya' both anyway....

Tom

Administrator

In a message dated 12/12/2005 3:18:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

inglori@... writes:

> Oh, they are also going to use them to tax drivers based on how

much they drive, which will of course have the effect of making

people drive less and stay home more.

They do that already with taxes on GAS, ...

> This will hurt the economy a little, but it will serve the

government's purpose of keeping people locked up in their homes.

I thought you liked that idea? No one out in the streets making

noise?

Yes they do. Someone on another board said gas taxes in England were

about .87 pounds per liter. In the states they aren't that bad but it

is still high.

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