Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

[Guest guest]

Hello Group, Just wanted to clarify why I posted the article below. It was to advise those with diabetes that their doctor might insist that they take the comboof both Zocor and Tricor, even when there is no history of heart disease (diabetics with high cholesterol and triglycerides). Fran~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Be on the ALERT if you are diabetic... ~ Zocor plus Tricor double punch!Fran

Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipids

URL of this page: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html (*this news item will not be available after 08/26/2006)

[Guest guest]

Hello Group, Just wanted to clarify why I posted the article below. It was to advise those with diabetes that their doctor might insist that they take the comboof both Zocor and Tricor, even when there is no history of heart disease (diabetics with high cholesterol and triglycerides). Fran~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Be on the ALERT if you are diabetic... ~ Zocor plus Tricor double punch!Fran

Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipids

URL of this page: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html (*this news item will not be available after 08/26/2006)

[Guest guest]

MIght be interesting to ask the doctor if he has actual mortality rate

comparisons with and without statins...especially for women... (not to

mention the quality of life issue)

Linden

Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works well

for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

Hello Group,

Just wanted to clarify why I posted the article

below. It was to advise those with diabetes that

their doctor might insist that they take the combo

of both Zocor and Tricor, even when there is no

history of heart disease (diabetics with high

cholesterol and triglycerides).

Fran

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Be on the ALERT if you are diabetic...

~ Zocor plus Tricor double punch!

Fran

--------

Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipidsURL of this page:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html

(*this news item will not be available after 08/26/2006)

[Guest guest]

MIght be interesting to ask the doctor if he has actual mortality rate

comparisons with and without statins...especially for women... (not to

mention the quality of life issue)

Linden

Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works well

for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

Hello Group,

Just wanted to clarify why I posted the article

below. It was to advise those with diabetes that

their doctor might insist that they take the combo

of both Zocor and Tricor, even when there is no

history of heart disease (diabetics with high

cholesterol and triglycerides).

Fran

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Be on the ALERT if you are diabetic...

~ Zocor plus Tricor double punch!

Fran

--------

Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipidsURL of this page:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html

(*this news item will not be available after 08/26/2006)

[Guest guest]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16824-2004Aug19.html

The new

study is the first aimed at testing whether a statin could help diabetics.

Researchers gave 2,838 Type 2 diabetics at 132 centers in Britain and Ireland with normal cholesterol

levels either 10 milligrams of Lipitor or a placebo every day.

After

an average of four years, those taking Lipitor were 36 percent less likely to

have had a heart attack or have died suddenly because of their hearts stopping,

48 percent less likely to have had a stroke and 37 percent less likely to have

suffered any serious adverse cardiovascular event. The study was terminated two

years early so participants could be notified and get the benefit of treatment,

which appeared to begin after only about a year of treatment.

From: Lipitor

[mailto:Lipitor ] On Behalf Of linmalki@...

Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:30

PM

To:

Lipitor

Subject: Re:

Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works well for diabetes and

high lipids (correction)

MIght be interesting to ask the doctor if he has

actual mortality rate

comparisons with and without statins...especially for women... (not to

mention the quality of life issue)

Linden

Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works well

for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

Hello Group,

Just wanted to clarify why I posted the article

below. It was to advise those with diabetes that

their doctor might insist that they take the combo

of both Zocor and Tricor, even when there is no

history of heart disease (diabetics with high

cholesterol and triglycerides).

Fran

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Be on the ALERT if you are diabetic...

~ Zocor plus Tricor double punch!

Fran

--------

Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipidsURL of this page:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html

(*this news item will not be available after 08/26/2006)

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[Guest guest]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16824-2004Aug19.html

The new

study is the first aimed at testing whether a statin could help diabetics.

Researchers gave 2,838 Type 2 diabetics at 132 centers in Britain and Ireland with normal cholesterol

levels either 10 milligrams of Lipitor or a placebo every day.

After

an average of four years, those taking Lipitor were 36 percent less likely to

have had a heart attack or have died suddenly because of their hearts stopping,

48 percent less likely to have had a stroke and 37 percent less likely to have

suffered any serious adverse cardiovascular event. The study was terminated two

years early so participants could be notified and get the benefit of treatment,

which appeared to begin after only about a year of treatment.

From: Lipitor

[mailto:Lipitor ] On Behalf Of linmalki@...

Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:30

PM

To:

Lipitor

Subject: Re:

Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works well for diabetes and

high lipids (correction)

MIght be interesting to ask the doctor if he has

actual mortality rate

comparisons with and without statins...especially for women... (not to

mention the quality of life issue)

Linden

Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works well

for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

Hello Group,

Just wanted to clarify why I posted the article

below. It was to advise those with diabetes that

their doctor might insist that they take the combo

of both Zocor and Tricor, even when there is no

history of heart disease (diabetics with high

cholesterol and triglycerides).

Fran

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Be on the ALERT if you are diabetic...

~ Zocor plus Tricor double punch!

Fran

--------

Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipidsURL of this page:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html

(*this news item will not be available after 08/26/2006)

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[Guest guest]

It might be more intersting to ask the dr. what statin he is

taking.

Show me a dr. who states he does not have the cholesterol

problem and I will show you a liar.

The pharma cos. have decreased the preferred cholesterol

count down to 150 through years of manipulation only to

sell more statins. Some drs. are pushing it to be even

lower than 100...why? Because they can write more prescriptions

for it...why? Figure it out!!!

I have no proof for this but, I bet that 80% or more of the

USA population has a cholesterol count over 150. Wow...80%

of the population just fit for being prescribed the highest

profit prescrption drug ever in history. Any bets on when

the count will be dropped down to 100 because of new studies

conducted by the FDA? Only to capture a larger portion of

the existing " sheep " .

Yet, people are still having heart attacks (who are on statins)

and people are dying from side effects from taking the statin

too. We just cannot win! All through the magificent marketing

techniques they push through the media and manipulate the

drs. ( " who would never prescribe a drug that would be bad

for me " ) who are only in it now for the $$$$.

Sorry... I will get off my soap box now.

Ed

>

> MIght be interesting to ask the doctor if he has actual mortality rate

> comparisons with and without statins...especially for women... (not to

> mention the quality of life issue)

> Linden

>

>

>

> Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works well

> for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

>

>

>

> Hello Group,

>

> Just wanted to clarify why I posted the article

> below. It was to advise those with diabetes that

> their doctor might insist that they take the combo

> of both Zocor and Tricor, even when there is no

> history of heart disease (diabetics with high

> cholesterol and triglycerides).

>

> Fran

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Be on the ALERT if you are diabetic...

> ~ Zocor plus Tricor double punch!

> Fran

> --------

> Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipidsURL of this page:

> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html

> (*this news item will not be available after 08/26/2006)

>

[Guest guest]

oh brother!!!! A new study discovers a new niche market

to sell even more statins to increase profits. What kind

of quality of life will these poor people have now? With

all the complaints that come from non-diabetics and their

side effects, I would suspect that diabetics would even

have more side effects.

Why wasn't a study done to see if losing weight, excercise

and some supplements could do the same benefit in preventing

heart attacks for diabetics.

Could it be because Pfizer heavily financed the study? It

says so right in the article.

Sorry, the soap box was still close by and I just had to get

back on it.

Ed

>

> HYPERLINK

>

" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16824-2004Aug19.html " http://

> www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16824-2004Aug19.html

>

>

>

> The new study is the first aimed at testing whether a statin could help

> diabetics. Researchers gave 2,838 Type 2 diabetics at 132 centers in

Britain

> and Ireland with normal cholesterol levels either 10 milligrams of

Lipitor

> or a placebo every day.

>

> After an average of four years, those taking Lipitor were 36 percent

less

> likely to have had a heart attack or have died suddenly because of their

> hearts stopping, 48 percent less likely to have had a stroke and 37

percent

> less likely to have suffered any serious adverse cardiovascular

event. The

> study was terminated two years early so participants could be

notified and

> get the benefit of treatment, which appeared to begin after only about a

> year of treatment.

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Lipitor

> [mailto:Lipitor ] On Behalf Of

> linmalki@...

> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:30 PM

> Lipitor

> Subject: Re: Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo

works well

> for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

>

>

>

> MIght be interesting to ask the doctor if he has actual mortality rate

> comparisons with and without statins...especiall-y for women... (not to

> mention the quality of life issue)

> Linden

>

> [TakingLipitorAndHa-teIt] Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works

well

> for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

>

> Hello Group,

>

> Just wanted to clarify why I posted the article

> below. It was to advise those with diabetes that

> their doctor might insist that they take the combo

> of both Zocor and Tricor, even when there is no

> history of heart disease (diabetics with high

> cholesterol and triglycerides)-.

>

> Fran

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~-~~~~~~~~~-~~~~~~~~~-~~~~~~~~~-~~~~~~~

>

> Be on the ALERT if you are diabetic...

> ~ Zocor plus Tricor double punch!

> Fran

> --------

> Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipidsURL of this page:

> HYPERLINK

>

" http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html " http://www.nlm

> .-nih.gov/medlinep-lus/news/-fullstory_-36607.html

> (*this news item will not be available after 08/26/2006)

>

>

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[Guest guest]

This is a very interesting study. It is well known that diabetes is

bad for the circulatory system. The thing that is the most

interesting to me is this statement from the report:

" The move was based on accumulating evidence that there is added

benefit to driving cholesterol levels -- especially levels of LDL

cholesterol, the " bad " cholesterol -- lower than what has

traditionally been considered normal. In addition, a growing body of

evidence suggests that statins may cut the risk for heart attacks and

strokes in other ways, such as reducing inflammation in the body or

improving blood vessel function. "

The thing that is the most interesting to me is the medical

establishment is so tied to the idea that driving down LDL has great

benefit that they are almost overlooking what to me is the true

benefit and that is the inflammation reducing ability of statins.

They also don't bother to mention how many of the people had side

effects. There MUST be better ways to reduce inflammation than with statins.

Gene

At 11:52 AM 7/30/2006, you wrote:

><http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16824-2004Aug19.html>http://www\

..washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16824-2004Aug19.html

>

>

>The new study is the first aimed at testing whether a statin could

>help diabetics. Researchers gave 2,838 Type 2 diabetics at 132

>centers in Britain and Ireland with normal cholesterol levels either

>10 milligrams of Lipitor or a placebo every day.

>

>After an average of four years, those taking Lipitor were 36 percent

>less likely to have had a heart attack or have died suddenly because

>of their hearts stopping, 48 percent less likely to have had a

>stroke and 37 percent less likely to have suffered any serious

>adverse cardiovascular event. The study was terminated two years

>early so participants could be notified and get the benefit of

>treatment, which appeared to begin after only about a year of treatment.

>

>

>

>----------

>From: Lipitor

>[mailto:Lipitor ] On Behalf Of

>linmalki@...

>Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:30 PM

>Lipitor

>Subject: Re: Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo

>works well for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

>

>

>MIght be interesting to ask the doctor if he has actual mortality rate

>comparisons with and without statins...especially for women... (not to

>mention the quality of life issue)

>Linden

>

> Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works well

>for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

>

>Hello Group,

>

>Just wanted to clarify why I posted the article

>below. It was to advise those with diabetes that

>their doctor might insist that they take the combo

>of both Zocor and Tricor, even when there is no

>history of heart disease (diabetics with high

>cholesterol and triglycerides).

>

>Fran

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>Be on the ALERT if you are diabetic...

>~ Zocor plus Tricor double punch!

>Fran

>--------

>Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipidsURL of this page:

><http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html>http://www.nlm.ni\

h.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html

>(*this news item will not be available after 08/26/2006)

>_

[Guest guest]

Hi Gene,

Gene wrote: “There MUST be better ways to reduce inflammation than with

statins.”

Actually there is. But 99% of the people absolutely will not do it. The most

optimistic studies show statin usage lower cardiovascular events by about

30% (I agree with others here much of it via inflammation reduction, the

rest probably through LDL/HDL ratio improvement and remnant reduction, etc),

so many people will still have heart attacks while on statins. It just slows

the rate of inflamed (unstable) plaque growth by a bit, and delays events by

a few years.

You can achieve much better results (percentage of event reduction) by

increasing dietary fiber (soluble and insoluble) to over 40grams daily,

daily brisk exercise, total elimination of refined carbohydrates, and weight

loss to a normal BMI. Problem is few are willing to get off the couch and

miss CSI, or stop going out for nachos, pastrami sandwiches, and 3 dollar

margarita night. Oat bran, raw almonds, and plain yogurt don’t taste as

good! (I still honestly dream about pastrami, it has been almost 3 years for

me since I quit it…sigh.)

Also, the total change in diet can lead to disturbing stomach upset and

OUTRAGOUS gas, especially at first…lol. Most people also have no idea what

dosages of things like fish oil, tumeric, tocotrienols, aged garlic, etc to

take. Reduction of heart disease, cholesterol normalization, and to a lesser

extent weight reduction become almost becomes a “roll your own " approach at

this level. Witness almost everyone on all of these boards takes different

supplements. Much easier to hear the doctor say “alright, you're doing ok,

cholesterol could be a bit lower, please continue to try to lose weight by

eating things in moderation, here is a prescription for 20mg Lipitor, see

you in six months”.

Many doctors see about 60 patients a day, none of patients ever seem to lose

much if any weight from the doctor's perspective. Usually patients just gain

weight over the years. Should the doctor take about 4 hours to try to

educate the patient about lipids, glycemic response, metabolic syndrome,

systemic inflammation, and the fact that their dangerously low HDL is being

caused by the fact they are obese, etc? Even if the doctor had the time,

everyone's eyes would glaze over and be lost after the first five minutes.

They would also most likely complain that the doctor hurt their feelings,

and change doctors.

Most of the doctors are really not that up on heart disease anyway. They are

better at strep throat and shingles. Pretty cut and dry. The day I left the

doctors office and finally realized that the doctor would be of no help to

me was an epiphany. It was the doctors lack of help that got me reading,

finding resources that eventually have helped me more than the doctor ever

could have anyway. In hindsight I am grateful for that day.

There are tons of studies and articles from very diverse groups backing this

stuff up…

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=35973

" The study shows, contrary to common belief, that Type 2 diabetes and

metabolic syndrome can be reversed solely through lifestyle changes, "

according to lead researcher Christian of University of California,

Los Angeles.”

And here…

http://www.drprevention.blogspot.com/

Diabetes is a choice you make

Tim had heart disease identified as a young man. He had his first heart

attack followed by a quadruple bypass surgery at age 38. Recurrent anginal

chest pain and another small heart attack led to several stents over three

procedures in the first four years after bypass.

Tim finally came to us, interested in improving his prevention program. You

name it, he had it: small LDL, low HDL (28 mg/dl), lipoprotein(a), etc. The

problem was that Tim was also clearly pre-diabetic. At 5 ft 10 inches, he

weighed 272 lbs--easily 80 or more pounds overweight.

Tim was willing to make the medication and nutritional supplement changes to

gain control over his seemingly relentless disease. He even turned up his

exercise program and lost 28 lbs in the beginning. But as time passed and no

symptoms recurred, he became lax.

Tim regained all the weight he'd lost and some more. Now Tim was diabetic.

" I don't get it. I eat good foods that shouldn't raise my insulin. I almost

never eat sweets. "

I stressed to Tim that diabetes and pre-diabetes, while provoked acutely by

sugar-equivalent foods (wheat products, breads, breakfast cereals, crackers,

etc.), is caused chronically by excess weight. If Tim wants to regain

control over his heart disease, he needed to lose the weight.

Unlike, say, leukemia, an unfortunate disease that has little to do with

lifestyle choices, diabetes are a choice you make over 90% of the time. In

other words, if you become diabetic (adult variety, not children's variety)

as an adult, that's because you've chosen to follow that path. You've

neglected physical activity, or indulged in too many calories or poor food

choices, or simply allowed weight to balloon out of control.

But diabetes is also a path most people can choose not to take. And it is a

painfully common choice: Nearly two-thirds of the adults in my office have

patterns of pre-diabetes or diabetes when I first meet them.

Let me stress this: For the vast majority of adults, diabetes is a choice,

not inevitability.

________________________________________

From: Lipitor

[mailto:Lipitor ] On Behalf Of Gene Wolfe

Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:49 AM

Lipitor

Subject: RE: Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works well

for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

This is a very interesting study. It is well known that diabetes is

bad for the circulatory system. The thing that is the most

interesting to me is this statement from the report:

" The move was based on accumulating evidence that there is added

benefit to driving cholesterol levels -- especially levels of LDL

cholesterol, the " bad " cholesterol -- lower than what has

traditionally been considered normal. In addition, a growing body of

evidence suggests that statins may cut the risk for heart attacks and

strokes in other ways, such as reducing inflammation in the body or

improving blood vessel function. "

The thing that is the most interesting to me is the medical

establishment is so tied to the idea that driving down LDL has great

benefit that they are almost overlooking what to me is the true

benefit and that is the inflammation reducing ability of statins.

They also don't bother to mention how many of the people had side

effects. There MUST be better ways to reduce inflammation than with statins.

Gene

At 11:52 AM 7/30/2006, you wrote:

><http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16824-2004Aug19.html>http:/

/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16824-2004Aug19.html

>

>

>The new study is the first aimed at testing whether a statin could

>help diabetics. Researchers gave 2,838 Type 2 diabetics at 132

>centers in Britain and Ireland with normal cholesterol levels either

>10 milligrams of Lipitor or a placebo every day.

>

>After an average of four years, those taking Lipitor were 36 percent

>less likely to have had a heart attack or have died suddenly because

>of their hearts stopping, 48 percent less likely to have had a

>stroke and 37 percent less likely to have suffered any serious

>adverse cardiovascular event. The study was terminated two years

>early so participants could be notified and get the benefit of

>treatment, which appeared to begin after only about a year of treatment.

>

>

>

>----------

>From: Lipitor

>[mailto:Lipitor ] On Behalf Of

>linmalki@...

>Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:30 PM

>Lipitor

>Subject: Re: Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo

>works well for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

>

>

>MIght be interesting to ask the doctor if he has actual mortality rate

>comparisons with and without statins...especially for women... (not to

>mention the quality of life issue)

>Linden

>

> Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works well

>for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

>

>Hello Group,

>

>Just wanted to clarify why I posted the article

>below. It was to advise those with diabetes that

>their doctor might insist that they take the combo

>of both Zocor and Tricor, even when there is no

>history of heart disease (diabetics with high

>cholesterol and triglycerides).

>

>Fran

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>Be on the ALERT if you are diabetic...

>~ Zocor plus Tricor double punch!

>Fran

>--------

>Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipidsURL of this page:

><http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html>http://www.nl

m.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html

>(*this news item will not be available after 08/26/2006)

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[Guest guest]

Don't you recall that a couple of years ago there was a recommendation

to drop target cholesterol to about 80--and then it was found that the

researchers that led to this recommendation had ties to one or more of

the drug companies? Haven't heard any more about this for awhile.

It's a real pickle--there is also research that low BMI is associated

with higher mortality rates, and just recently a study indicated that

people who had had made a major deliberate weight loss had a lower life

expectancy than matched people with higher but stable weight. I lost 40

pounds about seven or eight years ago, and developed diabetes and had a

heart attack after that. Since then, my weight has been stuck at the

same level no matter what I eat or don't eat (my BMI is " overweight "

but not " obese " ); and I have developed annoying intestinal problems

after using Splenda-sweetened foods (not a lot, either) that severely

limit what I can eat. My doctor, who told me five years ago that

statins were the greatest thing since aspirin and probably everybody

should take them, including him, doesn't talk about them to me any more

because he knows that if I think I''ve reacted badly to them there is

no way I'm going to take them, and that I do research anything he says.

My cholesterol was actually higher after a couple of years on Mevacor

than it was when I had my heart attack. In fact, the cardiologist said

the one artery involved was clogged with clumpy platelets, not plaque.

I don't even know what it is now; they didn't even tell me what the

results of the last blood tests were except that the A1C (sugar) was

higher than he liked and upped the metformin. Right now, all I'm

taking besides the metformin is a beta blocker, a multivitamin, COQ10,

gingko, and fish oil. There was some chatter on the list a couple of

years ago about benfothiamine, and I took it for awhile, but couldn't

find it anyplace except mailorder and haven't taken the time to

reorder. Has anybody else taken it, and have you noticed any results?

Linden

Re: Heads up! ~ Drug combo works

well

> for diabetes and high lipids (correction)

>

>

>

> Hello Group,

>

> Just wanted to clarify why I posted the article

> below. It was to advise those with diabetes that

> their doctor might insist that they take the combo

> of both Zocor and Tricor, even when there is no

> history of heart disease (diabetics with high

> cholesterol and triglycerides).

>

> Fran

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Be on the ALERT if you are diabetic...

> ~ Zocor plus Tricor double punch!

> Fran

> --------

> Drug combo works well for diabetes and high lipidsURL of this page:

> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36607.html

> (*this news item will not be available after 08/26/2006)

>

[Guest guest]

On Sunday 30 July 2006 11:48 am, Gene Wolfe wrote:

> This is a very interesting study. It is well known that diabetes is

> bad for the circulatory system. The thing that is the most

> interesting to me is this statement from the report:

>

> " The move was based on accumulating evidence that there is added

> benefit to driving cholesterol levels -- especially levels of LDL

> cholesterol, the " bad " cholesterol -- lower than what has

> traditionally been considered normal. In addition, a growing body of

> evidence suggests that statins may cut the risk for heart attacks and

> strokes in other ways, such as reducing inflammation in the body or

> improving blood vessel function. "

>

> The thing that is the most interesting to me is the medical

> establishment is so tied to the idea that driving down LDL has great

> benefit that they are almost overlooking what to me is the true

> benefit and that is the inflammation reducing ability of statins.

> They also don't bother to mention how many of the people had side

> effects. There MUST be better ways to reduce inflammation than with

> statins.

>

> Gene

I don't think the drug industry is overlooking the fact that lowering

inflammation is most likely the primary if only benefit of statin drugs

because that benefit can be easily obtained with out buying their cholesterol

drugs.

--

Steve - dudescholar2@...

" The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. "

--Mal Pancoast

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Bingo Steve... it is all marketing.

Ed

> > This is a very interesting study. It is well known that diabetes is

> > bad for the circulatory system. The thing that is the most

> > interesting to me is this statement from the report:

> >

> > " The move was based on accumulating evidence that there is added

> > benefit to driving cholesterol levels -- especially levels of LDL

> > cholesterol, the " bad " cholesterol -- lower than what has

> > traditionally been considered normal. In addition, a growing body of

> > evidence suggests that statins may cut the risk for heart attacks and

> > strokes in other ways, such as reducing inflammation in the body or

> > improving blood vessel function. "

> >

> > The thing that is the most interesting to me is the medical

> > establishment is so tied to the idea that driving down LDL has great

> > benefit that they are almost overlooking what to me is the true

> > benefit and that is the inflammation reducing ability of statins.

> > They also don't bother to mention how many of the people had side

> > effects. There MUST be better ways to reduce inflammation than with

> > statins.

> >

> > Gene

>

>

> I don't think the drug industry is overlooking the fact that lowering

> inflammation is most likely the primary if only benefit of statin drugs

> because that benefit can be easily obtained with out buying their

cholesterol

> drugs.

>

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> Steve - dudescholar2@...

>

> " The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. "

> --Mal Pancoast

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