Re: - Sins of omission --- New Drug -for increasing HDL - niacin generates the cramps?

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I thought I read that it was niacin or something like it thats in the statins that can cause the severe muscle cramps and soreness I had. Does anyone know about this? I started taking something called Cholesterol Support from my health food store only to find out it had niacin so I stopped. Kip Steve <dudescholar4@...> wrote: Bottom line, flush free niacin doesn't increase HDL, not even a little bit. Use regular niacin (B3).Stevejlkinkona wrote:>>> Very good news. Something to watch out for and heed due to very> probable side effects.> However, I think the researchers knew about the flush free niacin in> the HFS but went ahead and developed their own version because we> have to remember, the money is in

the patent. The druggies can't make> money unless they can patent their product. My guess is that as soon> as they get a patent on the product, they will go after the flush> free product and put it out of business, just like they did to> cholestin. Nasty American behavior.>> > >> > Reposting part o f the newsletter, Health e-Tips. Thought> this was> > interesting.> > blessings> > Shan> >> > Dear Reader,> >> > Now that Big Pharma has cornered its own statin drug market, it> decided it> > needed a new way to profit from cholesterol. Lowering it is old> news, so they've> > moved on to the opposite end of the spectrum: Merck & Co. has spent> the past> >

year developing a drug that will raise levels of HDL cholesterol.> >> > HDL is considered the "good" form of cholesterol: Researchers> believe it> > carries cholesterol away from the arteries and back to the liver> where it can be> > processed and excreted from the body. Low levels of HDL cholesterol> have been> > linked to increased risk of cardiovascular disease. So, obviously,> raising them> > is a good thing. But the way Merck is going about it is a bit> underhanded if> > you ask me.> >> > The primary active ingredient in its new drug, called Cordaptive,> is nothing> > more than an extended-release form of the nutrient niacin. So how> are they> > going to patent -- and profit from -- an all-natural vitamin, you> might wonder?> > Well, they've combined the niacin with a drug called

laropiprant.> >> > No, it doesn't have HDL-boosting abilities of its own. And no, it> doesn't> > increase the effectiveness of the niacin. Laropiprant has the> singular purpose of> > preventing the facial flushing that can occur when you take large> quantities> > of niacin.> >> > While this side effect can be bothersome, it's certainly not> > life-threatening. But according to Merck's research, fewer patients> experienced this flushing> > with the niacin/laropiprant combination than with niacin alone.> That's fewer> > -- not none. So apparently, adding the drug isn't a fool-proof> solution. The> > results were good enough for regulators to accept Merck's marketing> application,> > though.> >> > But here's what they won't want you to know when the FDA approves> Cordaptive>

> and Merck launches their gazillion-dollar ad campaign for it: You> can get> > extended-release, "flush-free" niacin formulations in just about> any natural food> > store or vitamin shop. In fact, Dr. has been recommending> them for> > years! He typically advises his patients to use a form of niacin> called inositol> > hexaniacinate.> >> > I'm sure that these versions of niacin escaped the Merck R & D team's> notice> > during its research, though, and that they stuck with "regular"> niacin, which is> > much more likely to cause flushing. In other words, they stacked> the deck> > against the natural version so that their formula would come out> victorious in> > this little contest of wills.> >> > Once again, the devil's in the details…> >> > No doubt Coraptive will

hit the market with a bang next year. And> Merck will> > likely make a pretty penny from it. But those of us who know better> will get> > the same heart- healthy results without spending a fortune, and> without putting> > ourselves at risk for whatever side effects will undoubtedly emerge> from> > their attempt to patent nature by combining it with something> thoroughly> > unnatural.> >-- Steve - dudescholar4@...Take World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Statins do not have niacin. Red Yeast Rice (Monascus purpureus), a natural

product, does have a natural statin that is identical to a commercial statin but

depending on how the product is standardized will have varying amounts. Red

Yeast Rice is included in some over the counter products. I tried it under my

doctor's direction as he believed that something in the Red Yeast Rice limited

liver effects. That turned out not to be true in my case so I stopped. I'm not

sure that that is true and consider Red Yeast Rice like other statins only not

as reliable with respect to consistency unless you always use the same product.

Niacin isn't known for causing muscle cramps and soreness like statins but there

is always that possibility I suppose. It's known for a flushing/burning effect

in some people or when used on an empty stomach.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

Kip Cleaver wrote:

>

>

> I thought I read that it was niacin or something like it thats in the

> statins that can cause the severe muscle cramps and soreness I had. Does

> anyone know about this? I started taking something called Cholesterol

> Support from my health food store only to find out it had niacin so I

> stopped.

>

> Kip

>

> */Steve <dudescholar4@...>/* wrote:

>

> Bottom line, flush free niacin doesn't increase HDL, not even a

> little bit. Use

> regular niacin (B3).

>

> Steve

>

> jlkinkona wrote:

> >

> >

> > Very good news. Something to watch out for and heed due to very

> > probable side effects.

> > However, I think the researchers knew about the flush free niacin in

> > the HFS but went ahead and developed their own version because we

> > have to remember, the money is in the patent. The druggies can't make

> > money unless they can patent their product. My guess is that as soon

> > as they get a patent on the product, they will go after the flush

> > free product and put it out of business, just like they did to

> > cholestin. Nasty American behavior.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Reposting part o f the newsletter, Health e-Tips. Thought

> > this was

> > > interesting.

> > > blessings

> > > Shan

> > >

> > > Dear Reader,

> > >

> > > Now that Big Pharma has cornered its own statin drug market, it

> > decided it

> > > needed a new way to profit from cholesterol. Lowering it is old

> > news, so they've

> > > moved on to the opposite end of the spectrum: Merck & Co. has spent

> > the past

> > > year developing a drug that will raise levels of HDL cholesterol.

> > >

> > > HDL is considered the " good " form of cholesterol: Researchers

> > believe it

> > > carries cholesterol away from the arteries and back to the liver

> > where it can be

> > > processed and excreted from the body. Low levels of HDL cholesterol

> > have been

> > > linked to increased risk of cardiovascular disease. So, obviously,

> > raising them

> > > is a good thing. But the way Merck is going about it is a bit

> > underhanded if

> > > you ask me.

> > >

> > > The primary active ingredient in its new drug, called Cordaptive,

> > is nothing

> > > more than an extended-release form of the nutrient niacin. So how

> > are they

> > > going to patent -- and profit from -- an all-natural vitamin, you

> > might wonder?

> > > Well, they've combined the niacin with a drug called laropiprant.

> > >

> > > No, it doesn't have HDL-boosting abilities of its own. And no, it

> > doesn't

> > > increase the effectiveness of the niacin. Laropiprant has the

> > singular purpose of

> > > preventing the facial flushing that can occur when you take large

> > quantities

> > > of niacin.

> > >

> > > While this side effect can be bothersome, it's certainly not

> > > life-threatening. But according to Merck's research, fewer patients

> > experienced this flushing

> > > with the niacin/laropiprant combination than with niacin alone.

> > That's fewer

> > > -- not none. So apparently, adding the drug isn't a fool-proof

> > solution. The

> > > results were good enough for regulators to accept Merck's marketing

> > application,

> > > though.

> > >

> > > But here's what they won't want you to know when the FDA approves

> > Cordaptive

> > > and Merck launches their gazillion-dollar ad campaign for it: You

> > can get

> > > extended-release, " flush-free " niacin formulations in just about

> > any natural food

> > > store or vitamin shop. In fact, Dr. has been recommending

> > them for

> > > years! He typically advises his patients to use a form of niacin

> > called inositol

> > > hexaniacinate.

> > >

> > > I'm sure that these versions of niacin escaped the Merck R & D team's

> > notice

> > > during its research, though, and that they stuck with " regular "

> > niacin, which is

> > > much more likely to cause flushing. In other words, they stacked

> > the deck

> > > against the natural version so that their formula would come out

> > victorious in

> > > this little contest of wills.

> > >

> > > Once again, the devil's in the details…

> > >

> > > No doubt Coraptive will hit the market with a bang next year. And

> > Merck will

> > > likely make a pretty penny from it. But those of us who know better

> > will get

> > > the same heart- healthy results without spending a fortune, and

> > without putting

> > > ourselves at risk for whatever side effects will undoubtedly emerge

> > from

> > > their attempt to patent nature by combining it with something

> > thoroughly

> > > unnatural.

> > >

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Steve - so helpful, thanks so much. I tried a combination of Red Yeast Rice, Niacin and Beta Sitosterol (a plant sterol) but was having cramps again. Right now I am on nothing and going to get a baseline cholesterol blood level before trying some other remedies - I am not hopeful of finding any.

I am taking fish oil, garlic supplements and coq10. Thanks again

Kip

Re: - Sins of omission --- New Drug -for increasing HDL - niacin generates the cramps?

Statins do not have niacin. Red Yeast Rice (Monascus purpureus), a natural product, does have a natural statin that is identical to a commercial statin but depending on how the product is standardized will have varying amounts. Red Yeast Rice is included in some over the counter products. I tried it under my doctor's direction as he believed that something in the Red Yeast Rice limited liver effects. That turned out not to be true in my case so I stopped. I'm not sure that that is true and consider Red Yeast Rice like other statins only not as reliable with respect to consistency unless you always use the same product.Niacin isn't known for causing muscle cramps and soreness like statins but there is always that possibility I suppose. It's known for a flushing/burning effect in some people or when used on an empty stomach.--

Steve - dudescholar4@...Take World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford Kip Cleaver wrote:> > > I thought I read that it was niacin or something like it thats in the > statins that can cause the severe muscle cramps and soreness I had. Does > anyone know about this? I started taking something called Cholesterol > Support from my health food store only to find out it had niacin so I > stopped.> > Kip> > */Steve <dudescholar4@...>/* wrote:> > Bottom line, flush free niacin doesn't increase HDL, not even a> little bit.

Use> regular niacin (B3).> > Steve> > jlkinkona wrote:> >> >> > Very good news. Something to watch out for and heed due to very> > probable side effects.> > However, I think the researchers knew about the flush free niacin in> > the HFS but went ahead and developed their own version because we> > have to remember, the money is in the patent. The druggies can't make> > money unless they can patent their product. My guess is that as soon> > as they get

a patent on the product, they will go after the flush> > free product and put it out of business, just like they did to> > cholestin. Nasty American behavior.> >> > > > >> > > Reposting part o f the newsletter, Health e-Tips. Thought> > this was> > > interesting.> > > blessings> > > Shan> >

>> > > Dear Reader,> > >> > > Now that Big Pharma has cornered its own statin drug market, it> > decided it> > > needed a new way to profit from cholesterol. Lowering it is old> > news, so they've> > > moved on to the opposite end of the spectrum: Merck & Co. has spent> > the past> > > year developing a drug that will raise levels of HDL cholesterol.> > >> > > HDL is considered the "good" form of cholesterol:

Researchers> > believe it> > > carries cholesterol away from the arteries and back to the liver> > where it can be> > > processed and excreted from the body. Low levels of HDL cholesterol> > have been> > > linked to increased risk of cardiovascular disease. So, obviously,> > raising them> > > is a good thing. But the way Merck is going about it is a bit> > underhanded if> > > you ask me.> > >> > > The

primary active ingredient in its new drug, called Cordaptive,> > is nothing> > > more than an extended-release form of the nutrient niacin. So how> > are they> > > going to patent -- and profit from -- an all-natural vitamin, you> > might wonder?> > > Well, they've combined the niacin with a drug called laropiprant.> > >> > > No, it doesn't have HDL-boosting abilities of its own. And no, it> > doesn't> > > increase the effectiveness of the niacin. Laropiprant has

the> > singular purpose of> > > preventing the facial flushing that can occur when you take large> > quantities> > > of niacin.> > >> > > While this side effect can be bothersome, it's certainly not> > > life-threatening. But according to Merck's research, fewer patients> > experienced this flushing> > > with the niacin/laropiprant combination than with niacin alone.> > That's fewer> > > -- not none. So apparently, adding the drug isn't a

fool-proof> > solution. The> > > results were good enough for regulators to accept Merck's marketing> > application,> > > though.> > >> > > But here's what they won't want you to know when the FDA approves> > Cordaptive> > > and Merck launches their gazillion-dollar ad campaign for it: You> > can get> > > extended-release, "flush-free" niacin formulations in just about> > any natural food> > > store or

vitamin shop. In fact, Dr. has been recommending> > them for> > > years! He typically advises his patients to use a form of niacin> > called inositol> > > hexaniacinate.> > >> > > I'm sure that these versions of niacin escaped the Merck R & D team's> > notice> > > during its research, though, and that they stuck with "regular"> > niacin, which is> > > much more likely to cause flushing. In other words, they stacked> > the

deck> > > against the natural version so that their formula would come out> > victorious in> > > this little contest of wills.> > >> > > Once again, the devil's in the details…> > >> > > No doubt Coraptive will hit the market with a bang next year. And> > Merck will> > > likely make a pretty penny from it. But those of us who know better> > will get> > > the same heart- healthy results without spending a fortune,

and> > without putting> > > ourselves at risk for whatever side effects will undoubtedly emerge> > from> > > their attempt to patent nature by combining it with something> > thoroughly> > > unnatural.> > >> > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@...> > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> > "If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our

march> to truth we must still march on." --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Greetings;

The key thing to remember is that there is no need to reduce your serum

cholesterol! In fact doing so may be harmful to your overall health.

What you need to take is lots of anti-oxidants to reduce the amount of

free-radicals in your system. They cause lesions and inflammation of

the

arterial wall. That is when the problem starts. Cholesterol and other

blood

components attach to the damaged area in an attempt to prevent further

damage. For those of you old enough to remember such things, very

similar to patching a tire inner tube to stop air leakage.

You also need to take anti-inflammatory agents to lessen the severity of

any damage that is caused.

Just forget about cholesterol. It is a myth with a capital "M"!!!

Kip Cleaver wrote the following on 10/07/2007 04:01 PM:

Steve

- so helpful, thanks so much. I tried a combination of Red Yeast Rice,

Niacin and Beta Sitosterol (a plant sterol) but was having cramps

again. Right now I am on nothing and going to get a baseline

cholesterol blood level before trying some other remedies - I am not

hopeful of finding any.

I

am taking fish oil, garlic supplements and coq10. Thanks again

Kip

[Guest guest]

Fish oil, garlic, and CoQ10 are all good stuff. The fish oil will log trigs.

You might want to look into sytrinol which has some positive studies and the

policosanol which is a hit or miss. Some people it may help. I had no luck

with it and most people don't get much effect. Fiber helps in all the studies

I've seen but I don't think the stuff you get in drug stores are very effective.

Take a look here: http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-032.shtml

There research is a little old because some of the stuff they recommend isn't

that good but others I've been taking for three years since I had a heart

attack. I consider it a starting point for looking for good ideas that work.

I know what absolutely works and that is a CRON diet (calorie restricted optimum

nutrition). Most people cannot handle it but it improves blood work fabiously.

The HDL readings of people who post their numbers runs from the 60s to 106,

very high, with LDL in the 70s. The problem is that not many people can eat

well and limit their intake so that they achieve a BMI of about 19 to 21.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

Kip Cleaver wrote:

>

>

> Steve - so helpful, thanks so much. I tried a combination of Red Yeast

> Rice, Niacin and Beta Sitosterol (a plant sterol) but was having cramps

> again. Right now I am on nothing and going to get a baseline cholesterol

> blood level before trying some other remedies - I am not hopeful of

> finding any.

>

> I am taking fish oil, garlic supplements and coq10. Thanks again

>

> Kip

>

> Re: - Sins of omission --- New Drug

> -for increasing HDL - niacin generates the cramps?

>

> Statins do not have niacin. Red Yeast Rice (Monascus purpureus), a natural

> product, does have a natural statin that is identical to a commercial

> statin but

> depending on how the product is standardized will have varying

> amounts. Red

> Yeast Rice is included in some over the counter products. I tried it

> under my

> doctor's direction as he believed that something in the Red Yeast Rice

> limited

> liver effects. That turned out not to be true in my case so I

> stopped. I'm not

> sure that that is true and consider Red Yeast Rice like other statins

> only not

> as reliable with respect to consistency unless you always use the same

> product.

>

> Niacin isn't known for causing muscle cramps and soreness like statins

> but there

> is always that possibility I suppose. It's known for a flushing/burning

> effect

> in some people or when used on an empty stomach.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

> <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html>

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

> Kip Cleaver wrote:

> >

> >

> > I thought I read that it was niacin or something like it thats in the

> > statins that can cause the severe muscle cramps and soreness I had. Does

> > anyone know about this? I started taking something called Cholesterol

> > Support from my health food store only to find out it had niacin so I

> > stopped.

> >

> > Kip

> >

> > */Steve <dudescholar4@...>/* wrote:

> >

> > Bottom line, flush free niacin doesn't increase HDL, not even a

> > little bit. Use

> > regular niacin (B3).

> >

> > Steve

> >

> > jlkinkona wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Very good news. Something to watch out for and heed due to very

> > > probable side effects.

> > > However, I think the researchers knew about the flush free

> niacin in

> > > the HFS but went ahead and developed their own version because we

> > > have to remember, the money is in the patent. The druggies

> can't make

> > > money unless they can patent their product. My guess is that

> as soon

> > > as they get a patent on the product, they will go after the flush

> > > free product and put it out of business, just like they did to

> > > cholestin. Nasty American behavior.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Reposting part o f the newsletter, Health e-Tips. Thought

> > > this was

> > > > interesting.

> > > > blessings

> > > > Shan

> > > >

> > > > Dear Reader,

> > > >

> > > > Now that Big Pharma has cornered its own statin drug market, it

> > > decided it

> > > > needed a new way to profit from cholesterol. Lowering it is old

> > > news, so they've

> > > > moved on to the opposite end of the spectrum: Merck & Co.

> has spent

> > > the past

> > > > year developing a drug that will raise levels of HDL

> cholesterol.

> > > >

> > > > HDL is considered the " good " form of cholesterol: Researchers

> > > believe it

> > > > carries cholesterol away from the arteries and back to the liver

> > > where it can be

> > > > processed and excreted from the body. Low levels of HDL

> cholesterol

> > > have been

> > > > linked to increased risk of cardiovascular disease. So,

> obviously,

> > > raising them

> > > > is a good thing. But the way Merck is going about it is a bit

> > > underhanded if

> > > > you ask me.

> > > >

> > > > The primary active ingredient in its new drug, called

> Cordaptive,

> > > is nothing

> > > > more than an extended-release form of the nutrient niacin.

> So how

> > > are they

> > > > going to patent -- and profit from -- an all-natural

> vitamin, you

> > > might wonder?

> > > > Well, they've combined the niacin with a drug called

> laropiprant.

> > > >

> > > > No, it doesn't have HDL-boosting abilities of its own. And

> no, it

> > > doesn't

> > > > increase the effectiveness of the niacin. Laropiprant has the

> > > singular purpose of

> > > > preventing the facial flushing that can occur when you take

> large

> > > quantities

> > > > of niacin.

> > > >

> > > > While this side effect can be bothersome, it's certainly not

> > > > life-threatening. But according to Merck's research, fewer

> patients

> > > experienced this flushing

> > > > with the niacin/laropiprant combination than with niacin alone.

> > > That's fewer

> > > > -- not none. So apparently, adding the drug isn't a fool-proof

> > > solution. The

> > > > results were good enough for regulators to accept Merck's

> marketing

> > > application,

> > > > though.

> > > >

> > > > But here's what they won't want you to know when the FDA

> approves

> > > Cordaptive

> > > > and Merck launches their gazillion-dollar ad campaign for

> it: You

> > > can get

> > > > extended-release, " flush-free " niacin formulations in just about

> > > any natural food

> > > > store or vitamin shop. In fact, Dr. has been recommending

> > > them for

> > > > years! He typically advises his patients to use a form of niacin

> > > called inositol

> > > > hexaniacinate.

> > > >

> > > > I'm sure that these versions of niacin escaped the Merck R & D

> team's

> > > notice

> > > > during its research, though, and that they stuck with " regular "

> > > niacin, which is

> > > > much more likely to cause flushing. In other words, they stacked

> > > the deck

> > > > against the natural version so that their formula would come out

> > > victorious in

> > > > this little contest of wills.

> > > >

> > > > Once again, the devil's in the details…

> > > >

> > > > No doubt Coraptive will hit the market with a bang next

> year. And

> > > Merck will

> > > > likely make a pretty penny from it. But those of us who know

> better

> > > will get

> > > > the same heart- healthy results without spending a fortune, and

> > > without putting

> > > > ourselves at risk for whatever side effects will undoubtedly

> emerge

> > > from

> > > > their attempt to patent nature by combining it with something

> > > thoroughly

> > > > unnatural.

> > > >

> >

> > --

> >

> > Steve - dudescholar4@...

> >

[Guest guest]

If taking anti-oxidants and anti-inflammatories where the answer period, that

would be too easy. I was taking a boatload of both for years before I had my

heart attack. I " thought " I was safe. I wasn't. While taking anti-oxidants

and anti-inflammatories are importation, they are far far away from being the

simple solution to cardiovascular problems and prevent cardiovascular events. I

had small particle LDL, a problem many people have, and Niacin is at this point

the primary solution.

For starters, let me give you two important vitamins that you need to get into

the optimum zone and away from the deficiency zone (where most people are),

vitamin D and vitamin K. Hardening of the arteries and heart attack increase in

the USA the farther north one lives. Think on that.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

Dennis G. Wicks wrote:

>

>

> Greetings;

>

> The key thing to remember is that there is no need to reduce your serum

> cholesterol! In fact doing so may be harmful to your overall health.

>

> What you need to take is lots of anti-oxidants to reduce the amount of

> free-radicals in your system. They cause lesions and inflammation of the

> arterial wall. That is when the problem starts. Cholesterol and other blood

> components attach to the damaged area in an attempt to prevent further

> damage. For those of you old enough to remember such things, very

> similar to patching a tire inner tube to stop air leakage.

>

> You also need to take anti-inflammatory agents to lessen the severity of

> any damage that is caused.

>

> Just forget about cholesterol. It is a myth with a capital " M " !!!

>

>

>

>

> Kip Cleaver wrote the following on 10/07/2007 04:01 PM:

>

>> Steve - so helpful, thanks so much. I tried a combination of Red Yeast

>> Rice, Niacin and Beta Sitosterol (a plant sterol) but was having

>> cramps again. Right now I am on nothing and going to get a baseline

>> cholesterol blood level before trying some other remedies - I am not

>> hopeful of finding any.

>>

>> I am taking fish oil, garlic supplements and coq10. Thanks again

>>

>> Kip

>>

>

[Guest guest]

hey thanks for that advice, inclulding NOT EATING MUCH - every study I ever see confirms that. Believe it or not I find that chewing gum helps cut my appetite. I tried it after reading that stomach surgeons found that patients chewing gum before surgery has a very positive effect. Related to the juices it stimulates. But DONT get into sugar free gum - aspartame is a true poison - so I just brush my teeth religiously.

Kip

Re: - Sins of omission --- New Drug > -for increasing HDL - niacin generates the cramps?> > Statins do not have niacin. Red Yeast Rice (Monascus purpureus), a natural> product, does have a natural statin that is identical to a commercial > statin but> depending on how the product is standardized will have varying > amounts. Red> Yeast Rice is included in some over the counter products. I tried it >

under my> doctor's direction as he believed that something in the Red Yeast Rice > limited> liver effects. That turned out not to be true in my case so I > stopped. I'm not> sure that that is true and consider Red Yeast Rice like other statins > only not> as reliable with respect to consistency unless you always use the same > product.> > Niacin isn't known for causing muscle cramps and soreness like statins > but there> is always that possibility I suppose. It's known for a flushing/burning > effect> in some people or when used on an empty stomach.> > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@...> > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html>> > "If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march> to truth we must still march on." --Stopford > > Kip Cleaver wrote:> >> >> > I thought I read that it was niacin or something like it thats in the> > statins that can cause the severe muscle cramps and soreness I had. Does> > anyone know about this? I started taking something called Cholesterol> > Support from my health food store only to find out it had niacin so I> > stopped.> > > > Kip> > > > */Steve <dudescholar4@...>/*

wrote:> >> > Bottom line, flush free niacin doesn't increase HDL, not even a> > little bit. Use> > regular niacin (B3).> >> > Steve> >> > jlkinkona wrote:> > >> > >> > > Very good news. Something to watch out for and heed due to very> > > probable side effects.> > > However, I think the researchers knew about the flush free > niacin

in> > > the HFS but went ahead and developed their own version because we> > > have to remember, the money is in the patent. The druggies > can't make> > > money unless they can patent their product. My guess is that > as soon> > > as they get a patent on the product, they will go after the flush> > > free product and put it out of business, just like they did to> > > cholestin. Nasty American behavior.> > >> > > > > > >> > > > Reposting part o f the newsletter, Health e-Tips. Thought> > > this was> > > > interesting.> > > > blessings> > > > Shan> > > >> > > > Dear Reader,> > > >> > >

> Now that Big Pharma has cornered its own statin drug market, it> > > decided it> > > > needed a new way to profit from cholesterol. Lowering it is old> > > news, so they've> > > > moved on to the opposite end of the spectrum: Merck & Co. > has spent> > > the past> > > > year developing a drug that will raise levels of HDL > cholesterol.> > > >> > > > HDL is considered the "good" form of cholesterol:

Researchers> > > believe it> > > > carries cholesterol away from the arteries and back to the liver> > > where it can be> > > > processed and excreted from the body. Low levels of HDL > cholesterol> > > have been> > > > linked to increased risk of cardiovascular disease. So, > obviously,> > > raising them> > > > is a good thing. But the way Merck is going about it is a bit> > > underhanded

if> > > > you ask me.> > > >> > > > The primary active ingredient in its new drug, called > Cordaptive,> > > is nothing> > > > more than an extended-release form of the nutrient niacin. > So how> > > are they> > > > going to patent -- and profit from -- an all-natural > vitamin, you> > > might wonder?> > > > Well, they've combined the niacin with a drug called >

laropiprant.> > > >> > > > No, it doesn't have HDL-boosting abilities of its own. And > no, it> > > doesn't> > > > increase the effectiveness of the niacin. Laropiprant has the> > > singular purpose of> > > > preventing the facial flushing that can occur when you take > large> > > quantities> > > > of niacin.> > > >> > > > While this side

effect can be bothersome, it's certainly not> > > > life-threatening. But according to Merck's research, fewer > patients> > > experienced this flushing> > > > with the niacin/laropiprant combination than with niacin alone.> > > That's fewer> > > > -- not none. So apparently, adding the drug isn't a fool-proof> > > solution. The> > > > results were good enough for regulators to accept Merck's > marketing> > >

application,> > > > though.> > > >> > > > But here's what they won't want you to know when the FDA > approves> > > Cordaptive> > > > and Merck launches their gazillion-dollar ad campaign for > it: You> > > can get> > > > extended-release, "flush-free" niacin formulations in just about> > > any natural food> > > > store or vitamin shop. In fact, Dr. has been

recommending> > > them for> > > > years! He typically advises his patients to use a form of niacin> > > called inositol> > > > hexaniacinate.> > > >> > > > I'm sure that these versions of niacin escaped the Merck R & D > team's> > > notice> > > > during its research, though, and that they stuck with "regular"> > > niacin, which is> > > > much more

likely to cause flushing. In other words, they stacked> > > the deck> > > > against the natural version so that their formula would come out> > > victorious in> > > > this little contest of wills.> > > >> > > > Once again, the devil's in the details…> > > >> > > > No doubt Coraptive will hit the market with a bang next > year. And> > > Merck

will> > > > likely make a pretty penny from it. But those of us who know > better> > > will get> > > > the same heart- healthy results without spending a fortune, and> > > without putting> > > > ourselves at risk for whatever side effects will undoubtedly > emerge> > > from> > > > their attempt to patent nature by combining it with something> > > thoroughly> > > >

unnatural.> > > >> >> > --> >> > Steve - dudescholar4@...> >

[Guest guest]

Steve,

Were you taking a " boatload " of Vitamin C too?

I know that Vitamin C helps mend inflammed arteries and L-lysine with L-

proline help to keep plaque from sticking to artery walls according to

Linus ing and Dr. Rath. I agree about the Vitamin K moving calcium

from the arteries to the bones. I also agree that the answer is not as

simple as taking a statin drug either. I think its a combination that

includes what one is eating on a daily basis and the American diet is

the lousiest diet there is not to mention the lousey information we are

getting from our brainwashed doctors.

phine

>

> If taking anti-oxidants and anti-inflammatories where the answer

period, that

> would be too easy. I was taking a boatload of both for years before

I had my

> heart attack. I " thought " I was safe. I wasn't. While taking anti-

oxidants

> and anti-inflammatories are importation, they are far far away from

being the

> simple solution to cardiovascular problems and prevent cardiovascular

events.

[Guest guest]

I was taking several grams of C. After my heart attack, I added the strong

version (upper end of recommended dosages) of the ing protocol for two years

including 10 grams of Vitamin C. Today, I only take 4 grams and have dropped

the Proline and Lysine although I still have a boatload on my supplement

shelves.

I agree, diet is very important and the US food pyramid is unhealthy.

Steve

jlkinkona wrote:

>

>

> Steve,

> Were you taking a " boatload " of Vitamin C too?

> I know that Vitamin C helps mend inflammed arteries and L-lysine with L-

> proline help to keep plaque from sticking to artery walls according to

> Linus ing and Dr. Rath. I agree about the Vitamin K moving calcium

> from the arteries to the bones. I also agree that the answer is not as

> simple as taking a statin drug either. I think its a combination that

> includes what one is eating on a daily basis and the American diet is

> the lousiest diet there is not to mention the lousey information we are

> getting from our brainwashed doctors.

> phine

>

>

> >

> > If taking anti-oxidants and anti-inflammatories where the answer

> period, that

> > would be too easy. I was taking a boatload of both for years before

> I had my

> > heart attack. I " thought " I was safe. I wasn't. While taking anti-

> oxidants

> > and anti-inflammatories are importation, they are far far away from

> being the

> > simple solution to cardiovascular problems and prevent cardiovascular

> events.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Well there are going to be exceptions - there are no blanket rules or easy fixes for sure. I never heard of small particle LDL - curious about that. If you are like me and cant fiind a good alternate to the statins, antioxidants and eating right, the right vitamins and exercise are all you have.

And Dr Mercola has been beating the sunlight/Vitamin D proposition for years, finally the world is catching up. Its the best way to get D for sure. They also think thats why flu breaks out in the winter - peoples immune systems are down due to low sun. There is a dramatic increase in cancer rates too as you go north due to lowered immune systems. The docs knew this for years - I was strongly warned about getting sun after my bone marrow transplant - where a surge in your immune system can kill you.

And here is something not surprizing about the FDA http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/10/11/under-pressure-fda-reveals-deadly-drug-side-effects.aspx

Re: - Sins of omission --- New Drug -for increasing HDL - niacin generates the cramps?

If taking anti-oxidants and anti-inflammatories where the answer period, that would be too easy. I was taking a boatload of both for years before I had my heart attack. I "thought" I was safe. I wasn't. While taking anti-oxidants and anti-inflammatories are importation, they are far far away from being the simple solution to cardiovascular problems and prevent cardiovascular events. I had small particle LDL, a problem many people have, and Niacin is at this point the primary solution.For starters, let me give you two important vitamins that you need to get into the optimum zone and away from the deficiency zone (where most people are), vitamin D and vitamin K. Hardening of the arteries and heart attack increase in the USA the farther north one lives. Think on that.-- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. netTake

World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford Dennis G. Wicks wrote:> > > Greetings;> > The key thing to remember is that there is no need to reduce your serum> cholesterol! In fact doing so may be harmful to your overall health.> > What you need to take is lots of anti-oxidants to reduce the amount of> free-radicals in your system. They cause lesions and inflammation of the> arterial wall. That is when the problem starts. Cholesterol and other blood> components attach to the damaged area in an attempt to prevent further> damage. For those of you old enough to remember such things, very> similar to patching a tire inner tube to stop air

leakage.> > You also need to take anti-inflammatory agents to lessen the severity of> any damage that is caused.> > Just forget about cholesterol. It is a myth with a capital "M"!!!> > > > > Kip Cleaver wrote the following on 10/07/2007 04:01 PM:> >> Steve - so helpful, thanks so much. I tried a combination of Red Yeast >> Rice, Niacin and Beta Sitosterol (a plant sterol) but was having >> cramps again. Right now I am on nothing and going to get a baseline >> cholesterol blood level before trying some other remedies - I am not >> hopeful of finding any.>> >> I am taking fish oil, garlic supplements and coq10. Thanks again>> >> Kip>>>

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[Guest guest]

Kip,

You and several other people here are missing the point completely.

You don't need an alternative to statins!

They do nothing worthwhile except make lots of money for BigPharma.

The only benefit they may have is as an anti-inflammatory, but the

seriousness

of the all-to-common side effects far out weight that. And there are better

and safer anti-inflamatories than any of the statins.

There are no scientific studies that show any beneficial effects of lowering

serum cholesterol. The studies that have been done actually show that

lower cholesterol leads to poor health and early death.

So, do not attempt to lower your cholesterol, throw away your low-fat diet

recipes, and follow the diet we evolved to live on.

Also, search the web for info, and when you hit a site that advocates

cholesterol

reduction and/or dietary fat reduction, leave. They are stuck in the 80s

or have

a hidden agenda.

Start your search at http://www.spacedoc.net/ and branch out from

there.

Also Google cholesterol myth

Good Health!

Dennis

Kip Cleaver wrote the following on 10/11/2007 06:24 AM:

> Well there are going to be exceptions - there are no blanket rules or

> easy fixes for sure. I never heard of small particle LDL - curious

> about that. If you are like me and cant fiind a good alternate to the

> statins, antioxidants and eating right, the right vitamins and

> exercise are all you have.

>

> And Dr Mercola has been beating the sunlight/Vitamin D proposition for

> years, finally the world is catching up. Its the best way to get D for

> sure. They also think thats why flu breaks out in the winter - peoples

> immune systems are down due to low sun. There is a dramatic increase

> in cancer rates too as you go north due to lowered immune systems. The

> docs knew this for years - I was strongly warned about getting sun

> after my bone marrow transplant - where a surge in your immune system

> can kill you.

>

> And here is something not surprizing about the FDA

>

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/10/11/under-pressure-fda\

-reveals-deadly-drug-side-effects.aspx

>

<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/10/11/under-pressure-fd\

a-reveals-deadly-drug-side-effects.aspx>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Finally replyinig to this to say AMEN - blaming cholesterol for arterial damage is like blaming the fire truck for the fire. Just because they are often seen together does not imply a causal relationship.

I must add though, if only oxidized LDL can participate in causing arterial damage, wouldnt it be true that the less of it around to get oxidized, the better?

Kip

Re: - Sins of omission --- New Drug -for increasing HDL - niacin generates the cramps?

Greetings;The key thing to remember is that there is no need to reduce your serumcholesterol! In fact doing so may be harmful to your overall health.What you need to take is lots of anti-oxidants to reduce the amount offree-radicals in your system. They cause lesions and inflammation of the arterial wall. That is when the problem starts. Cholesterol and other bloodcomponents attach to the damaged area in an attempt to prevent further damage. For those of you old enough to remember such things, verysimilar to patching a tire inner tube to stop air leakage.You also need to take anti-inflammatory agents to lessen the severity ofany damage that is caused.Just forget about cholesterol. It is a myth with a capital "M"!!!Kip Cleaver wrote the following on 10/07/2007 04:01 PM:

Steve - so helpful, thanks so much. I tried a combination of Red Yeast Rice, Niacin and Beta Sitosterol (a plant sterol) but was having cramps again. Right now I am on nothing and going to get a baseline cholesterol blood level before trying some other remedies - I am not hopeful of finding any.

I am taking fish oil, garlic supplements and coq10. Thanks again

Kip

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

[Guest guest]

Kip,

The simple answer is no, it isn't.

Your blood circulates so completely and frequently that every particle

of anything in it passes every point in the circulatory system very

often. (Sorry my old gray matter can't remember the numbers right

now but the rate is really astoundingly frequent!)

The most important thing is to take anti-inflammatories to reduce

the damage to the arterial walls in the first place.

Anti-oxidants will help reduce the formation of the bad LDL and

other free-radicals but it is nearly impossible to reduce LDL itself.

At least one Canadian study has shown that for certain, statins

have no significant effect on lowering small particle LDL.

Good Health!

Dennis

PS: See my next post on " Liars Statistics "

Kip Cleaver wrote the following on 10/14/2007 04:46 AM:

>

> Finally replyinig to this to say AMEN - blaming cholesterol for

> arterial damage is like blaming the fire truck for the fire. Just

> because they are often seen together does not imply a causal relationship.

>

>

>

> I must add though, if only oxidized LDL can participate in causing

> arterial damage, wouldnt it be true that the less of it around to get

> oxidized, the better?

>

>

>

> Kip

>

>