Re: Tracking you by cell phone

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I would think the bigger problem would come from LISTENING to cell phone conversations. Actually, there is another use already out there. Alerts can be given about missing children. the thery is that the more people know, the higher likelihood that the child is found. BTW, those of you who have cell phones-program ICE (in case of emergency) number into your address book. Paramedics and EMT's are trained to use those if you are not conscious, not being able to speak for yourself. VISIGOTH@... wrote:

Tracking phones for traffic reports

By Matt Richtel The New York TimesTHURSDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2005

SAN FRANCISCO Some U.S. states prohibit drivers from talking on hand-held cellphones lest they become distracted, slow down traffic or, worse, cause an accident. Others are finding that cellphones and driving might not make such a bad mix. Several state transportation agencies, including those in land and Virginia, are beginning to test technology that allows them to monitor traffic by tracking cellphone signals and mapping them against road grids. The technology highlights how readily cellphones can become tracking devices for companies or government agencies - a development that troubles privacy advocates. These new traffic systems can monitor several hundred thousand cellphones at once. The phones need only be turned on, not in use. And sophisticated software now makes it possible to discern whether a signal is coming from, say, a moving car or a pedestrian. State officials say the systems will monitor large clusters of phones, not individual phones, and the benefits could be substantial. By providing a constantly updated picture of traffic flow across thousands of miles of highways, they argue, cellphone tracking can help transportation agencies spot congestion and divert drivers by issuing alerts by radio or on electronic road signs. Next month, land, with the help of the University of Baltimore, plans to begin tests for a cellular tracking system in the Baltimore area. Virginia also plans to test a system around the Norfolk beltway. Similar technology is already in use outside the United States, including in London, Antwerp, Belgium, and Tel Aviv. "The potential is incredible," said Phil Tarnoff, director of the Center for Advanced Transportation Technology at the University of land. He said the monitoring technology could possibly help reduce congestion in some areas by 50 percent. But he, and other people involved in the emerging technology, said there were critical hurdles. Chief among them, Tarnoff said, is getting the cellular carriers to collect and share the cellphone data. The carriers already collect an enormous amount of data so that they can, for example, tell whether a cellphone user is roaming out of their network. But separating the data to show the speed at which cellphones are being passed from one cell site to another is still a challenge. To get the data, the monitoring companies have to reach agreements with cellular carriers. But whether they can be profitable or make it worth the while of providers to be involved is an open question. Privacy advocates say traffic monitoring could mark the beginning of governments using cellphones to track individuals' movements. Even if the tracking is done anonymously and in clusters, they say, it could allow state and federal officials to track where people are headed en masse in order, for instance, to know where protesters are gathering. "This enables the government to have a much easier time of knowing what private people are up to without any sort of process or consent," said Lee Tien, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an electronic privacy advocacy group. Companies offering the technology include ITIS Holdings of Britain and IntelliOne Technologies and AirSage, both based in Atlanta. AirSage signed a deal in July to provide such technology to the Georgia Department of Transportation, which plans to begin using it in early 2006. All three companies say they have neither the ability nor interest in tracking individuals. Any cellphone that is turned on constantly interacts with the cellular towers that are located every few hundred feet in a metropolitan area or every half mile or further in a rural area. The monitoring software instantaneously analyzes those movements. ITIS Holdings, which has been in the business for several years, for example, receives feeds round-the-clock of cellphone signals from the British carriers Vodafone and 02. The ITIS system, which can receive several hundred thousand signals at once, uses sophisticated computer algorithms to tell whether a given signal is coming from a car, a biker or someone sitting still. The analysis takes only seconds, said Stuart Marks, the chief executive of ITIS. The information is provided to transportation agencies or can be purchased by consumers.

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[Guest guest]

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> I would think the bigger problem would come from LISTENING to cell phone

> conversations.

Yes. I think this is already being done.

> Actually, there is another use already out there. Alerts can be given

> about missing children. the thery is that the more people know, the higher

> likelihood that the child is found. BTW, those of you who have cell

> phones-program ICE (in case of emergency) number into your address book.

> Paramedics and EMT's are trained to use those if you are not conscious,

> not being able to speak for yourself.

OK. I don't have a cell phone. But I'm thinking of getting one just for

emergencies.

> State officials say the systems will monitor large clusters of phones, not

> individual phones, and the benefits could be substantial. By providing a

> constantly updated picture of traffic flow across thousands of miles of

> highways, they argue, cellphone tracking can help transportation agencies

> spot congestion and divert drivers by issuing alerts by radio or on

> electronic road signs.

That's the poorest excuse I've ever heard! And not everyone car has a

cellphone. Of the ones that do, not everyone has it turned on. Better use

for the phone would be for someone STUCK in the congestion to use his phone

to alert draffic directors! Besides, most congestions except the ones caused

by accident are predictable.

> Next month, land, with the help of the University of Baltimore, plans

> to begin tests for a cellular tracking system in the Baltimore area.

> Virginia also plans to test a system around the Norfolk beltway. Similar

> technology is already in use outside the United States, including in

> London, Antwerp, Belgium, and Tel Aviv.

> " The potential is incredible, " said Phil Tarnoff, director of the Center

> for Advanced Transportation Technology at the University of land. He

> said the monitoring technology could possibly help reduce congestion in

> some areas by 50 percent.

Bull. If you have city exits and x amount of cars needing to pass that

particular exit, there is always going to be a congestion at certain times

of the day. If you redirect traffic, all you do is cause a congestion at

some OTHER exit. Only way to avoid it is to allow more flexible working

hours or fix better public transportation.

> Any cellphone that is turned on constantly interacts with the cellular

> towers that are located every few hundred feet in a metropolitan area or

> every half mile or further in a rural area. The monitoring software

> instantaneously analyzes those movements.

And what about the rising number of people who are getting hypersensitive to

microwaves? Are we all to be bathing in this unavoidable sea of microwaves

and tracking devices interpenetrating our cells continuously? How healthy is

that?

Inger

[Guest guest]

:

> I would think the bigger problem would come from LISTENING to cell phone

> conversations.

Yes. I think this is already being done.

> Actually, there is another use already out there. Alerts can be given

> about missing children. the thery is that the more people know, the higher

> likelihood that the child is found. BTW, those of you who have cell

> phones-program ICE (in case of emergency) number into your address book.

> Paramedics and EMT's are trained to use those if you are not conscious,

> not being able to speak for yourself.

OK. I don't have a cell phone. But I'm thinking of getting one just for

emergencies.

> State officials say the systems will monitor large clusters of phones, not

> individual phones, and the benefits could be substantial. By providing a

> constantly updated picture of traffic flow across thousands of miles of

> highways, they argue, cellphone tracking can help transportation agencies

> spot congestion and divert drivers by issuing alerts by radio or on

> electronic road signs.

That's the poorest excuse I've ever heard! And not everyone car has a

cellphone. Of the ones that do, not everyone has it turned on. Better use

for the phone would be for someone STUCK in the congestion to use his phone

to alert draffic directors! Besides, most congestions except the ones caused

by accident are predictable.

> Next month, land, with the help of the University of Baltimore, plans

> to begin tests for a cellular tracking system in the Baltimore area.

> Virginia also plans to test a system around the Norfolk beltway. Similar

> technology is already in use outside the United States, including in

> London, Antwerp, Belgium, and Tel Aviv.

> " The potential is incredible, " said Phil Tarnoff, director of the Center

> for Advanced Transportation Technology at the University of land. He

> said the monitoring technology could possibly help reduce congestion in

> some areas by 50 percent.

Bull. If you have city exits and x amount of cars needing to pass that

particular exit, there is always going to be a congestion at certain times

of the day. If you redirect traffic, all you do is cause a congestion at

some OTHER exit. Only way to avoid it is to allow more flexible working

hours or fix better public transportation.

> Any cellphone that is turned on constantly interacts with the cellular

> towers that are located every few hundred feet in a metropolitan area or

> every half mile or further in a rural area. The monitoring software

> instantaneously analyzes those movements.

And what about the rising number of people who are getting hypersensitive to

microwaves? Are we all to be bathing in this unavoidable sea of microwaves

and tracking devices interpenetrating our cells continuously? How healthy is

that?

Inger

[Guest guest]

> And what about the rising number of people who are getting

hypersensitive to

> microwaves? Are we all to be bathing in this unavoidable sea of

microwaves

> and tracking devices interpenetrating our cells continuously? How

healthy is

> that? "

People are becoming hypersensitive to microwaves? I haven't used one

since I read that the Soviet Union banned them (they were one of the

first to use them and they've done the most testing) because they're

bad for you, and mess with your food molecularly.

[Guest guest]

> And what about the rising number of people who are getting

hypersensitive to

> microwaves? Are we all to be bathing in this unavoidable sea of

microwaves

> and tracking devices interpenetrating our cells continuously? How

healthy is

> that? "

People are becoming hypersensitive to microwaves? I haven't used one

since I read that the Soviet Union banned them (they were one of the

first to use them and they've done the most testing) because they're

bad for you, and mess with your food molecularly.

[Guest guest]

I haven't used a microwave oven since I read something similar too.

But I was actually referring to the microwaves used by cell phones. A rising

number of people are becoming hypersensitive to them, including the head of

the World Health Organization, former Prime Minister of Norway, Gro-Harlem

Brundtland (hope I spelled that correctly). She has to ask everyone to turn

off their cell phones in her vicinity because she can feel if they are on

and get a bad headache.

Here in Sweden, electrical hypersensitivity is growing problem. Computer

monitors, fluorescent lights and cell phones are the most common sources of

people's complaints. Some have to flee to special EM-free zones in the

middle of nowhere and live old cottages by candle-light. Unfortunately, the

cell-phone companies strive for 100% coverage everywhere so such zones are

hard to find. Also, with the removal of state monopoly on tele-traffic,

competing companies now use their own systems instead of sharing the same

one, thereby multiplying the amount of microwave transmitting masts. Many

private property-owners put masts on the top of their apartment-buildings,

not caring that this may adversely affect the health and well-being of their

tenants.

And this new G3-system is worse than any previous ones for the

electro-sensitive. It's spiralling all out of control now that the whole

West is becoming addicted to talking on the phone all of their waking hours,

while surfing the net, chatting, listening to music, watching films, taking

pictures, playing games and lord knows what else - all on their cell phones.

That cell phones HAVE been found to adversely affect the brain for hours

after use, is happily ignored by regulatory authorities because the telecom

sector is one of the biggest in Sweden and no one wants to risk having any

bad news put a damper on the economy.

Inger

Re: Tracking you by cell phone

> And what about the rising number of people who are getting

hypersensitive to

> microwaves? Are we all to be bathing in this unavoidable sea of

microwaves

> and tracking devices interpenetrating our cells continuously? How

healthy is

> that? "

People are becoming hypersensitive to microwaves? I haven't used one

since I read that the Soviet Union banned them (they were one of the

first to use them and they've done the most testing) because they're

bad for you, and mess with your food molecularly.

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acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

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[Guest guest]

:

> I use a microwave regularly. If you read the directions it does say to inspect the seals and not to stand within 3 feet while it is operating. I follow both of these rules and haven't had any trouble. My mother used to lean on the counter practically on the thing while it was running, but I finally broke her of that habit.

The trouble is not only leakage, but that it has been found to affect the food in ways that may not be so good for you. Something with the cells. (Too lazy and busy to go search for the info right now. You could try a google if you're interested.) Might be a negligeble danger though. I really don't know enough about it.

> I have a cellphone too, but don't use it much unless I am travelling. I don't think infrequent use would be a problem.

That's what it's for. Emergency situations, and getting hold of people who are late for appointments etc. I don't think that's much of a danger either. As with anything, it is excess use that's inadvisable.

> Having it glued to your head all day could be I suppose, if for no other reason than the massive bill you'd run up.

LOL! Actually, having it glued to your head all day HAS been found hazardous. Some therefore use these extension cords and place it somewhere else on their body. Ran into this one guy who had the microwave reciever in his trouser pocket which then forwarded the signal by radiowave to his wireless headset. (That's when I impulsively exclaimed "Aha, so you'd rather fry your balls than your brain!" which caused much merriment & embarrassment all around.)

Inger

[Guest guest]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh microwaves for food - I've always distrusted them. I

have had one in past, but it got stolen when the house was broken

into and I never bothered replacing it.

I can tell when food has been cooked in a microwave - it is just

different - I prefer to use the oven, even if it does take longer -

the food just seems/tastes better.

Thinking of things that I have distrusted, as a child at school there

was a water heater with flame in the girls toilet - I was petrified

of it - I later found out that kind of boiler was dangerous (natural

instincts?). Also certain types of heaters I was scared of turned out

to be dangerous too - I wonder if this is some sort of sixth sense

for knowing some things are just not right?

>

> > And what about the rising number of people who are getting

> hypersensitive to

> > microwaves? Are we all to be bathing in this unavoidable sea of

> microwaves

> > and tracking devices interpenetrating our cells continuously? How

> healthy is

> > that? "

>

> People are becoming hypersensitive to microwaves? I haven't used

one

> since I read that the Soviet Union banned them (they were one of

the

> first to use them and they've done the most testing) because

they're

> bad for you, and mess with your food molecularly.

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, I hadn't heard about the hypersensitivity. I'm trying to figure

out why kids today have a strange addiction to cell phones. It's like

they get nervous if they aren't atleast touching the phone and I saw

someone the other day get anxious when someone asked to borrow his

phone. Boys used to think it was corny to talk on the phone, now they

worse than girls.

Here's an interesting article on damage caused by EMFs:

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcategory.asp?catid=4 & subcatid=3

>

> > And what about the rising number of people who are getting

> hypersensitive to

> > microwaves? Are we all to be bathing in this unavoidable sea of

> microwaves

> > and tracking devices interpenetrating our cells continuously? How

> healthy is

> > that? "

>

> People are becoming hypersensitive to microwaves? I haven't used one

> since I read that the Soviet Union banned them (they were one of the

> first to use them and they've done the most testing) because they're

> bad for you, and mess with your food molecularly.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

support and

> acceptance. Everyone is valued.

>

> Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page

in the

> folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

>

[Guest guest]

Here's some articles about the danger of microwave ovens:

http://www.laleva.cc/environment/microwave.html

http://www.mercola.com/article/microwave/hazards2.htm

http://www.jrussellshealth.com/microwaves.html

http://www.leyman.demon.co.uk/08_Microwaves.html

>

> I use a microwave regularly. If you read the directions it does say

to

> inspect the seals and not to stand within 3 feet while it is

operating. I follow

> both of these rules and haven't had any trouble. My mother used to

lean on the

> counter practically on the thing while it was running, but I

finally broke

> her of that habit.

>

> I have a cellphone too, but don't use it much unless I am

travelling. I

> don't think infrequent use would be a problem. Having it glued to

your head all

> day could be I suppose, if for no other reason than the massive

bill you'd run

> up.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I take a look at animals, and even though they have shorter lifespans

and much harder lives, their species are quite able to adapt to

whatever nature throws at them and survive.

On no nature program have I seen lions microwaving leftover zebra for

dinner, or squirrels making frantic calls on their cell phones as they

rush to take the squirrel subway to get to squirrel work.

Even though human beings have been granted with the gifts of ingenuity

and invention, even if we didn't have those things, nature (and God,

for those of you who believe in one) gives us all we need to survive.

I think by trying to make our lives easier, we sometimes make our

lives difficult for ourselves. Or else we make trade offs. Example:

For the price of exposure to a little bit of elctromagnetic radiation,

I can have dinner twenty minutes faster.

Is it really worth it?

Perhaps our lifespans are too short for any of this to matter to us as

individuals, but one has to ask what all our ingenuity and

inventiveness is doing to the world, and what the effect will be for

generations to come.

Tom

Administrator

Here's some articles about the danger of microwave ovens:

http://www.laleva.cc/environment/microwave.html

http://www.mercola.com/article/microwave/hazards2.htm

http://www.jrussellshealth.com/microwaves.html

http://www.leyman.demon.co.uk/08_Microwaves.html

[Guest guest]

Getting back to the Boy Scout/Girl Scout thing, I'm wondering if we

shouldn't for something like " Aspie Scouts. "

Like the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, we would have to do a good deed

for the day. Our good deeds would be things like blowing up cell

phone towers and sabotaguing microwave overn manufacturers.

What say you all?

Tom

P.S. I was joking BTW. I do not condone blowing up cell phone

towers or sabotaguing microwave oven manufactures.

Letter writing: YES!

Blowing things up: NO!

Tom

I use a microwave regularly. If you read the directions it does say

to inspect the seals and not to stand within 3 feet while it is

operating. I follow both of these rules and haven't had any trouble.

My mother used to lean on the counter practically on the thing while

it was running, but I finally broke her of that habit.

I have a cellphone too, but don't use it much unless I am

travelling. I don't think infrequent use would be a problem. Having

it glued to your head all day could be I suppose, if for no other

reason than the massive bill you'd run up.

[Guest guest]

I don't miss having a microwave at all. It doesn't really save that

much time unless you're cooking a frozen dinner, which I don't eat.

And you're right what's 20 minutes compared to your health? And food

tastes better cooked on the stove or oven.

>

> Here's some articles about the danger of microwave ovens:

>

> http://www.laleva.cc/environment/microwave.html

> http://www.mercola.com/article/microwave/hazards2.htm

> http://www.jrussellshealth.com/microwaves.html

> http://www.leyman.demon.co.uk/08_Microwaves.html

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the belly laugh and the resulting endorphin flood! :)

Seriously, a program like that for AS kids sounds like a great idea.

>

> I use a microwave regularly. If you read the directions it does say

> to inspect the seals and not to stand within 3 feet while it is

> operating. I follow both of these rules and haven't had any

trouble.

>

> My mother used to lean on the counter practically on the thing

while

> it was running, but I finally broke her of that habit.

>

> I have a cellphone too, but don't use it much unless I am

> travelling. I don't think infrequent use would be a problem. Having

> it glued to your head all day could be I suppose, if for no other

> reason than the massive bill you'd run up.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> " But we can NOT use them! With less demand there will be less

> production.... "

Ahhh, if only there were more of us and less of them...

How many times I've wished people would boycott things but their love

of convenience and comfort is stronger than their love of principal or

health or environment or neighbor or...

[Guest guest]

" I think they are so crazy about it because of clever marketing. Not

only is

> it the commercials, but also text-messaging. For them, text-

messaging is kind

> of a code what with all the shorthand things you have to know.

Also there are

> the games that you can play on your cell phones, which require

download time

> and maybe be connected to the service to play. "

Thanks, this helps me understand it better. I also heard that they

know how to text message with the phone in their pocket. This way,

adults don't know they're doing it.

" This is actually a new objection to the wide use of robots for me.

What

> happens when some jokers start infecting human-intelligent robots

and computers

> with viruses? "

I never thought about that...

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Rainbow, for offering a practical solution that everyone can

try. Your responses, as always, are quick, to the point, and...very

sensible.

Tom

>Tom: " Blowing things up: NO! "

But we can NOT use them! With less demand there will be less

production....

Rainbow

[Guest guest]

" This is not necessarily always true. It is not uncommon around here

to have

> 8 or 10 squirrels running around by early summer but by fall only a

few

> remain. A consistant death rate of over 30% per year would be hard

to live with. "

Oh, this reminds me about 'our' squirrel that we have in our front

yard. I noticed that he seemed more intelligent or aware than the

average squirrel. And he was friendly, almost like he was

deliberately making eye contact and gave off a friendly vibe. Then I

noticed that he goes back and forth from our yard to the yard across

the street. I was sure that one day he would get hit. But here's the

thing--he actually goes to the edge of the street and waits. Then he

starts to go, stops and starts again, then runs across really fast.

He does this each time. The poor thing seems to know that there are

these big dangerous machines (at least a step up from the squirrels

that don't) but doesn't quite know how they work or when they'll come!

[Guest guest]

Yeah, well...I am serious. Each participant on this forum is vital

to its success, but I am always amazed at how you can post so much

meaning in so few words.

Perhaps I should learn to quit pontificating so much like I do.

Tom

Administrator

>Tom: " Thanks, Rainbow, for offering a practical solution that

everyone can try. Your responses, as always, are quick, to the

point, and...very sensible.

Aw, shucks. You're making me blush! You're welcome.

Rainbow

[Guest guest]

No! I like your pontificating. Everyone should be themselves--a

unique individual, don't you think?

>

> >Tom: " Thanks, Rainbow, for offering a practical solution that

> everyone can try. Your responses, as always, are quick, to the

> point, and...very sensible.

>

> Aw, shucks. You're making me blush! You're welcome.

>

> Rainbow

>

[Guest guest]

You can always share you know.

What is the problem exactly? (If you don't mind my asking).

I know that I generally don't speak unless spoken to, and I will not

reply to anyone until I am finished doing whatever it is I am doing.

In other words, if I am typing a sentence, I will finish typing it, or

even finish the paragraph before I look up an address the person who

interupted me.

This behavior of mine, I am told, is " rude. " But I think I am being

polite in the extreme because:

1) They are interupting ME, which means that technically I don't even

have to acknowledge their presence at all, so simply responding to

them is something they ought to be thrilled about.

2) Once I finish doing whatever I am doing, I am then giving them my

full attention, which is better than addressing someone while they are

busy doing something else.

3) I am not pretending to pay attention to them as I work as other

people do.

Really, I am easy to understand and easy to get along with. The one

rule that everyone needs to know when meeting me in person is that I

generally don't talk if there is nothing to say, and if I don;t have

anything good to say about anything, I generally won't say it...unless

provoked, and then I will say EXACTLY what is on my mind.

I think my quiet nature and demeanor make people nervous. My father

used to own an apartment building and one of the tenants was helping

us paint to get a break on his rent. We spent about 6 hours together

painting two bedrooms, a living room, a kitchen, and a bathroom, and

except for telling my dad for lunch, I didn;t say a word, just because

there was nothing to say.

But my dad and this man carried on a conversation the whole time.

When it came time to say goodbye, he said " Gee your son sure is a

quiet fella. He barely said a word the whole six hours. "

After he left, I said to my dad " Boy that guy was a loudmouth. I don't

think he shut up for more than a minute during the whole six hours. "

Of course dad told ME that I could have been more social.

Rainbow, I think it is much better to be true to yourself than to fit

someone else's mold. While it's important to make some effort to fit

in sometimes, changing too much of your personality isn't a good thing

either.

I happen to think you are one of the most interesting members we have

here, and I would enjoy it a good deal if your posts were longer and

told us all about your thoughts in more detail, but your posts, short

though they may be, are indeed sufficient.

I think people should value other people for who they are, not whether

or not they fit in or whether or not they CAN fit in.

Tom

Administrator

>Tom: " Yeah, well...I am serious. Each participant on this forum is

vital to its success, but I am always amazed at how you can post so

much meaning in so few words. "

Thanks, again. You can't possibly believe how much trouble I am in at

home for not talking enough, for not being able to engage

in 'conversation'! I am in DEEP trouble! (but this is nothing new!).

Rainbow

[Guest guest]

No problem,

My best wishes are with you.

You could always have her post a question here about AS. We could

set her straight for you.

Tom

>Tom: " You can always share you know. What is the problem exactly?

(If you don't mind my asking). "

Thank you, I know. I'm too busy right now to go into details. My

last show of the year starts next week and I'm desperately trying to

get some wood work done, but, I'll keep your post and reply as I

can. I'm just in deep, deep trouble, relationshipwise, at the

moment. It's not all my fault, but I get ALL the blame for

everything I have and haven't done yet/now and in the past......

Rainbow

[Guest guest]

" In other words, if I am typing a sentence, I will finish typing it,

or even finish the paragraph before I look up an address the person

who interupted me. "

Ditto - otherwise I lose my train of thought and that can really

annoy/frustrate me.

Also people don't seem to realise that you can have a conversation on

a computer - I will sometimes talk/type to people on messenger - to

me going on the computer is being social (for me) - a lot of people

do not see it that way. They tell me I spend too much time on the

computer, need to get out more and socialise with 'real' people -

thing is you lot to me are real people, you are flesh and blood and

real somewhere.

People interupt me when I am on the computer, but then again people

interupt in real life conversations too - I just think a lot of

people (possibly NT's) are rude. I have been in situations where

someone has been speaking to me and I have been politely listening -

only to have someone else speak to someone else over the top of the

conversation at the same table and I just cannot filter it out and

lose track - all conversations seem to reach my ears at once and yet

I cannot process more than one person speaking at once.

" 2) Once I finish doing whatever I am doing, I am then giving them

my full attention, which is better than addressing someone while they

are busy doing something else. "

" 3) I am not pretending to pay attention to them as I work as other

people do. "

Ditto again, but I have also realised that a lot of time people are

just making small talk and pleasantries - or as my mum keeps telling

me recently when I drop what I am doing to listen to her that it was

just a 'throw away' comment - my thoughts 'why make it then?' I have

always thought it polite to stop and listen to people and try and

give them my attention.

" But my dad and this man carried on a conversation the whole time. "

Today my mum was at my house and a friend of mine arrived - I had

told her in advance that I would need to start tidying up when the

workmen had finished. I needed to vacume(sp?)/hoover up and politely

waited until my mother and friend had finished their conversation and

then started vacuming - much to my surprise they continued to

converse whilst I was vacuming - I was astounded, I didn't think it

was possible to have a conversation with someone vacuming in same

room and not very far away either, but they managed it.

" ...and if I don;t have anything good to say about anything, I

generally won't say it...unless provoked, and then I will say EXACTLY

what is on my mind. "

I was taught if I didn't have anything nice to say don't say

anything. I think it all depends what mood I am in, but if I am

provoked enough I will fire back eventually.

>

> You can always share you know.

>

> What is the problem exactly? (If you don't mind my asking).

>

> I know that I generally don't speak unless spoken to, and I will

not

> reply to anyone until I am finished doing whatever it is I am

doing.

>

> In other words, if I am typing a sentence, I will finish typing it,

or

> even finish the paragraph before I look up an address the person

who

> interupted me.

>

> This behavior of mine, I am told, is " rude. " But I think I am being

> polite in the extreme because:

>

> 1) They are interupting ME, which means that technically I don't

even

> have to acknowledge their presence at all, so simply responding to

> them is something they ought to be thrilled about.

>

> 2) Once I finish doing whatever I am doing, I am then giving them

my

> full attention, which is better than addressing someone while they

are

> busy doing something else.

>

> 3) I am not pretending to pay attention to them as I work as other

> people do.

>

> Really, I am easy to understand and easy to get along with. The

one

> rule that everyone needs to know when meeting me in person is that

I

> generally don't talk if there is nothing to say, and if I don;t

have

> anything good to say about anything, I generally won't say

it...unless

> provoked, and then I will say EXACTLY what is on my mind.

>

> I think my quiet nature and demeanor make people nervous. My father

> used to own an apartment building and one of the tenants was

helping

> us paint to get a break on his rent. We spent about 6 hours

together

> painting two bedrooms, a living room, a kitchen, and a bathroom,

and

> except for telling my dad for lunch, I didn;t say a word, just

because

> there was nothing to say.

>

> But my dad and this man carried on a conversation the whole time.

>

> When it came time to say goodbye, he said " Gee your son sure is a

> quiet fella. He barely said a word the whole six hours. "

>

> After he left, I said to my dad " Boy that guy was a loudmouth. I

don't

> think he shut up for more than a minute during the whole six hours. "

>

> Of course dad told ME that I could have been more social.

>

> Rainbow, I think it is much better to be true to yourself than to

fit

> someone else's mold. While it's important to make some effort to

fit

> in sometimes, changing too much of your personality isn't a good

thing

> either.

>

> I happen to think you are one of the most interesting members we

have

> here, and I would enjoy it a good deal if your posts were longer

and

> told us all about your thoughts in more detail, but your posts,

short

> though they may be, are indeed sufficient.

>

> I think people should value other people for who they are, not

whether

> or not they fit in or whether or not they CAN fit in.

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

" I'm just in deep, deep trouble, relationshipwise, at the moment.

It's not all my fault, but I get ALL the blame for everything I have

and haven't done yet/now and in the past......

> Rainbow "

Believe it or not - I have gotten this kind of thing. I have been

accused of alsorts in the past - to being cold hearted, not wearing

makeup - not making an effort etc - I never know what to do - it

seems I can never do it right even when I try - I wish people would

just be less complex - they confuse the hell out of me! and all

relationships seem confusing - I think with the exception of my cats

and possibly my son.

>

> >Tom: " You can always share you know. What is the problem

exactly?

> (If you don't mind my asking). "

>

> Thank you, I know. I'm too busy right now to go into details. My

last

> show of the year starts next week and I'm desperately trying to

get

> some wood work done, but, I'll keep your post and reply as I can.

I'm

> just in deep, deep trouble, relationshipwise, at the moment. It's

not

> all my fault, but I get ALL the blame for everything I have and

> haven't done yet/now and in the past......

> Rainbow

>

[Guest guest]

" [T]hing is you lot to me are real people, you are flesh and blood and

real somewhere. "

Beep! Boop! Bip! Many thanks! My programming was telling me otherwise.

" I cannot process more than one person speaking at once. "

Neither can I. And I also have a problem with too much input when

people are talking at restaurants/parties, etc.

Tom