Re: Watering Your Heart: How a Little Magnesium May ...

[Guest guest]

I was going to say that about bouillon. I read that in the US, potassium

is limited to 99 mg capsules..I haven't been able to find anything higher since

I ran out of the ones I had. Searched all over the net.

I know there's a difference in magnesium quality also. The oxide form is

a relatively cheap form, I've read. The citrate form is great, but there isn't

much magnesium in that per amount. So, some companies combine

magnesium types and do include the oxide. Wellness Resources.com

has an article on mag types, and his has one that is a combo with

malate.

Has anybody else read about which types of magnesium are the best

or have a favorite brand name?

Bouillon normally has a lot of MSG, a neuro-toxin. Potassium capsules are

cheap. If you want a good source, bananas are the way to go if you are not

concerned much with blood surgar levels. There are other nutritional

choices.

I take 320 mg/day of extra magnesium and 3000 mg/day of extra potassium.

[Guest guest]

I take it in the citrate form. I was in europe about 18 months ago and I bought these magnesium fizzies that were magnesium aspartate. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

On Monday 18 December 2006 3:11 pm, Shiree1000@... wrote:

> I was going to say that about bouillon. I read that in the US, potassium

> is limited to 99 mg capsules..I haven't been able to find anything higher

> since

> I ran out of the ones I had. Searched all over the net.

>

> I know there's a difference in magnesium quality also. The oxide form is

> a relatively cheap form, I've read. The citrate form is great, but there

> isn't

> much magnesium in that per amount. So, some companies combine

> magnesium types and do include the oxide. Wellness Resources.com

> has an article on mag types, and his has one that is a combo with

> malate.

>

> Has anybody else read about which types of magnesium are the best

> or have a favorite brand name?

>

> > Bouillon normally has a lot of MSG, a neuro-toxin. Potassium capsules are

> > cheap. If you want a good source, bananas are the way to go if you are

> > not concerned much with blood surgar levels. There are other nutritional

> > choices.

> >

> > I take 320 mg/day of extra magnesium and 3000 mg/day of extra potassium.

I use magnesium citrate which is 16% magnesium. So, to get the 320 mg/day

that I want, I take 2000 mg/day of magnesium citrate. 16% of 2000 mg is 320

mg of magnesium.

As to potassium, I'm taking the potassium citrate form which adds up to 30

pills per day at 99 mg/pill. I've gotten a quote for potassium citrate in

bulk powder at 4000 grams (2kg). I just haven't gotten around to ordering it

yet. I was planning on ordering 2k of magnesium citrate in powder form as

well.

--

Steve - dudescholar3@...

" The future belongs to those who see possibilities before they become

obvious. "

--Unknown

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I have pheripheral neuropathy in my feet and just a little in my hands. I have been using transdermal magnesium chloride off and on the past year or more -- it works to take the pain away, then the twitches/twings and finally restores the feeling. I have only been taking it off and on as I keep running out of money: I am on government disability. But now Dr Mark Sircus, the director of the IMVA, has just put up a website with reduced prices for those on government disability. This is just recent and I think I will be afford it all the time now in the future.

I also use it on my hands; as I have a neurological disease/condition [Myalgic Encephalomyelis or ME ] and my hands get spastic so I cannot type. This is the only thing I have found that takes the spastic fingers away.

I have tried 5 different kinds of oral magnesium [malate, citrate, oxide, sulphate, & carbonate ] as well as magnesium injections magnesium sulphate, but none of them helped my feet nor stopped the neuropathy from getting worse when I went off of the transdermal magnesium chloride. When I first started using it, it took over a month to notice chances in my feet, other then that they stopped getting worse. I know better now how to use it to get faster results.

blessings

Shan

Re: Watering Your Heart: How a Little Magnesium May ...

Posted by: "Shiree1000@..." Shiree1000@...   shiree4000

Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:36 pm (PST) I was going to say that about bouillon. I read that in the US, potassium

is limited to 99 mg capsules..I haven't been able to find anything higher

since

I ran out of the ones I had. Searched all over the net.

I know there's a difference in magnesium quality also. The oxide form is

a relatively cheap form, I've read. The citrate form is great, but there

isn't

much magnesium in that per amount. So, some companies combine

magnesium types and do include the oxide. Wellness Resources.com

has an article on mag types, and his has one that is a combo with

malate.

Has anybody else read about which types of magnesium are the best

or have a favorite brand name?

[Guest guest]

IWow, that's a ton of potassium pills to take. Do you mind sharing the

site that has the citrate powder?

As to potassium, I'm taking the potassium citrate form which adds up to 30

pills per day at 99 mg/pill. I've gotten a quote for potassium citrate in

bulk powder at 4000 grams (2kg). I just haven't gotten around to ordering it

yet. I was planning on ordering 2k of magnesium citrate in powder form as

well.

[Guest guest]

Once they treated my mag and potassium at the hospital before bypass,

they sent me home with 20 mcg potassium!! Can you believe it?? micrograms!!

Are they nuts? I have a long documented hospital history of low potassium

despite eating potassium rich foods and taking my previous potassium/mag

supplement if I had to take a Lasix which had 240 mg in it per capsule.

My ace inhibitor is potassium sparing and can lead to hyperkalemia, but

never has with me. My normal always runs at the bottom range around

3.5 and they wouldn't treat that at all..

I guess I should start drinking tomato juice. Do you go organic on that

or drink one of the common brands?

My heart rate climes into the 90s and above if my potassium drops too low

whereas it normally is in the 70s. At 3000 mg/day of potassium, I don't have

any problems and my blood work shows potassium still below mid-normal. Too

high is not good and too low is not good. 3.5 is the cut off for too low but

many hospitals will treat you for potassium deficiency if it gets down to

3.8. Mine runs 4.2-4.5 and the normal lab range is 3.5 to 5.5.

I also drink about 24 oz of tomato juice a day when I take my supplements and

that gives me 2.7 grams of potassium. So between the supplements and tomato

juice, I'm getting at least 5.7 grams a day of potassium. A healthy cave-man

diet might give you close to 11 grams a day.

--

[Guest guest]

Hi Shan & Group,

I'm in the process of reading Dr Mark Sircus's book on transdermal

magnesium chloride (great book that makes so much sense). In chapter

13 he discusses Dr Norm Shealy: " the best absorbed oral preparation

is magnesium taurate, but it can take up to one year of oral

supplementation to restore intracellular levels to normal. "

For more info Dr Shealy's article:

http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/shealy/magnesium.htm

Magnesium Replacement

" Except in patients with kidney failure, some magnesium

supplementation is advisable. The problem with oral magnesium is that

all magnesium compounds are potentially laxative. And there is good

evidence that magnesium absorption depends upon the mineral remaining

in the intestine at least 12 hours. If intestinal transit time is less

than 12 hours, magnesium absorption is impaired. There are two oral

forms that may be considered: 25% magnesium chloride drops (Magic

Drops) or magnesium taurate. The drops are extremely strong tasting,

salty and bitter. At least 50% of patients refuse to use the drops

after a taste test! Twenty drops per day are recommended. It requires

3 to 6 months for replacement to be accomplished.

Magnesium taurate at dosages of 250 to 500 mg., if well tolerated (no

diarrhea) by the intestines, is better absorbed than any other oral

tablet or capsule. This approach requires 6 to 12 months. "

Fran

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Shan wrote:

I have tried 5 different kinds of oral magnesium [malate, citrate,

oxide, sulphate, & carbonate ] as well as magnesium injections

magnesium sulphate, but none of them helped my feet nor stopped the

neuropathy from getting worse when I went off of the transdermal

magnesium chloride.

[Guest guest]

20 mcg potassium was probably a missprint. 1 drop of orange jiuce has more than 20 mcg.Shiree1000@... wrote: Once they treated my mag and potassium at the hospital before bypass,they sent me home with 20 mcg potassium!! Can you believe it?? micrograms!!Are they nuts? I have a long documented hospital history of low potassiumdespite eating potassium rich foods and taking my previous potassium/magsupplement if I had to take a Lasix which had 240 mg in it per capsule.My ace inhibitor is potassium sparing and can lead to hyperkalemia, butnever has with me. My normal always runs at the bottom range around3.5 and they wouldn't treat that at all..I guess I should start drinking tomato juice. Do you go organic on thator drink one

of the common brands? My heart rate climes into the 90s and above if my potassium drops too low whereas it normally is in the 70s. At 3000 mg/day of potassium, I don't have any problems and my blood work shows potassium still below mid-normal. Too high is not good and too low is not good. 3.5 is the cut off for too low but many hospitals will treat you for potassium deficiency if it gets down to 3.8. Mine runs 4.2-4.5 and

the normal lab range is 3.5 to 5.5.I also drink about 24 oz of tomato juice a day when I take my supplements and that gives me 2.7 grams of potassium. So between the supplements and tomato juice, I'm getting at least 5.7 grams a day of potassium. A healthy cave-man diet might give you close to 11 grams a day.-- __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks Fran.

I am still waiting for me copy of the book to arrive - I was so

hoping it would get here before Christmas. It is good to know that it

is as good as I thought it would be. I have a read a couple of ebooks

written by Mark, as well as quite a few articles, but a published

book is kind of different somehow --though I understand that he

included all his references plus that several articles he has writen

on Magnesium and which have been on one of his websites are also in

the book. Well now I am even more impatient!

The trandermal magnesium must be helping you & yours - I am glad.

Hope you and your husband have a good Christmas Fran.

best wishes

Shan

> I have tried 5 different kinds of oral magnesium [malate, citrate,

> oxide, sulphate, & carbonate ] as well as magnesium injections

> magnesium sulphate, but none of them helped my feet nor stopped the

> neuropathy from getting worse when I went off of the transdermal

> magnesium chloride.

>

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On Tuesday 19 December 2006 2:29 pm, Shiree1000@... wrote:

> IWow, that's a ton of potassium pills to take. Do you mind sharing the

> site that has the citrate powder?

>

> > As to potassium, I'm taking the potassium citrate form which adds up to

> > 30 pills per day at 99 mg/pill. I've gotten a quote for potassium citrate

> > in bulk powder at 4000 grams (2kg). I just haven't gotten around to

> > ordering it

> >

> > yet. I was planning on ordering 2k of magnesium citrate in powder form as

> > well.

I meant to reply to this sooner but it got lost in the holidays.

I asked for a quote from http://vitaspace.com/

I've used the site before and was very happy with the service.

--

Steve - dudescholar3@...

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still

march on. "

--Stopford

[Guest guest]

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 2:29 pm, Shiree1000@... wrote:

> IWow, that's a ton of potassium pills to take. Do you mind sharing the

> site that has the citrate powder?

>

> > As to potassium, I'm taking the potassium citrate form which adds up to

> > 30 pills per day at 99 mg/pill. I've gotten a quote for potassium citrate

> > in bulk powder at 4000 grams (2kg). I just haven't gotten around to

> > ordering it

> >

> > yet. I was planning on ordering 2k of magnesium citrate in powder form as

> > well.

I meant to reply to this sooner but it got lost in the holidays.

I asked for a quote from http://vitaspace.com/

I've used the site before and was very happy with the service.

--

Steve - dudescholar3@...

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still

march on. "

--Stopford

[Guest guest]

In canada you can get 600mg potassium pills over the counter. Also, many doctors will give you a prescription. sodium free chicken or beef boullion also contain 500mg potassium per servingsteve <dudescholar3@...> wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 2:29 pm, Shiree1000@... wrote:> IWow, that's a ton of potassium pills to take. Do you mind sharing the> site that has the citrate powder?>> > As to potassium, I'm taking the potassium citrate form which adds up to> > 30 pills per day at 99 mg/pill. I've gotten a quote for potassium citrate> > in bulk powder at 4000 grams (2kg). I just haven't gotten around to> > ordering it> >> > yet. I was planning on ordering 2k of magnesium citrate in powder form as> >

well.I meant to reply to this sooner but it got lost in the holidays.I asked for a quote from http://vitaspace.com/I've used the site before and was very happy with the service.-- Steve - dudescholar3@..."If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on."--Stopford

[Guest guest]

In canada you can get 600mg potassium pills over the counter. Also, many doctors will give you a prescription. sodium free chicken or beef boullion also contain 500mg potassium per servingsteve <dudescholar3@...> wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 2:29 pm, Shiree1000@... wrote:> IWow, that's a ton of potassium pills to take. Do you mind sharing the> site that has the citrate powder?>> > As to potassium, I'm taking the potassium citrate form which adds up to> > 30 pills per day at 99 mg/pill. I've gotten a quote for potassium citrate> > in bulk powder at 4000 grams (2kg). I just haven't gotten around to> > ordering it> >> > yet. I was planning on ordering 2k of magnesium citrate in powder form as> >

well.I meant to reply to this sooner but it got lost in the holidays.I asked for a quote from http://vitaspace.com/I've used the site before and was very happy with the service.-- Steve - dudescholar3@..."If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on."--Stopford

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On Thursday 08 February 2007 9:00 am, Tony Coranis wrote:

> steve <dudescholar3@...> wrote:

>

> On Tuesday 19 December 2006 2:29 pm, Shiree1000@... wrote:

> > IWow, that's a ton of potassium pills to take. Do you mind sharing the

> > site that has the citrate powder?

> >

> > > As to potassium, I'm taking the potassium citrate form which adds up to

> > > 30 pills per day at 99 mg/pill. I've gotten a quote for potassium

> > > citrate in bulk powder at 4000 grams (2kg). I just haven't gotten

> > > around to ordering it

> > >

> > > yet. I was planning on ordering 2k of magnesium citrate in powder form

> > > as well.

>

>> I meant to reply to this sooner but it got lost in the holidays.

>>

>> I asked for a quote from http://vitaspace.com/

>>

>> I've used the site before and was very happy with the service.

> In canada you can get 600mg potassium pills over the counter. Also, many

> doctors will give you a prescription.

>

> sodium free chicken or beef boullion also contain 500mg potassium per

> serving

>

The price I was quoted at the time was $40 plus $6 shipping for 4000 grams or

in other words, 2 kilos. Potassium citrate is about 36-38 percent potassium

depending on the type. If I wanted to continue to take 3 grams/day of

potassium, I would need to take about 8 grams of potassium citrate. At that

dosage, my $46 would last me about 500 days or about $2.76 a month. All

other supplement choices cost a lot more. Of course, I should take into

account other sources of potassium I may be consuming from dietatary sources.

Now the question is what is the minimum, what is the optimum, and what is the

maximum? I've seen 3200 to 4700 mg/day is the minimum and 12000 mg/day as a

maximum. On the other hand, I've also seen an estimate that our ancestors on

a palaeolithic diet (cave man diet) would have gotten about 11,000 mg/day.

--

Steve - dudescholar3@...

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still

march on. "

--Stopford