Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 On Monday 06 November 2006 3:12 pm, Tony Coranis wrote: > The statin drugs were developed due to a natural occuring product called > red yeast rice (which has no side effects) that inhibits a certain enzyme. > The statin drugs: The " statin " referred to is Mevinolin or Lovastatin or Mevacor, a prescription drug. While red yeast rice is a natural source, it has the same side effect profile as it's prescription twin. All warnings that apply to Mevacor also apply to red yeast rice. The only real difference is that it is very easy to get a non-standardized variant of red yeast rice and get inconsistent results or no results at all. Red yeast rice contains other things which may or may not improve the side effect profile. Get blood work before and after starting any cholesterol lowering regiment, a CMP/CBC/Cholesterol test and possibly a VAP test as well. > 1) Will lower cholesterol! > A) however, the heart disease rate remains unchanged. > > 2) Are very expensive > > 3) Have severe side effects. > > > If anyone would like to try the following (takes 6 weeks) > > Every morning peel a grapefruit (preferably organic) and cut it up into a > blender and blend and drink it. > > There is a natural fiber in grapefruit that workd much better than the > statins. It is ill advised to take grapefruit in any form when taking a statin drug, or any other drug that uses the P450 system of the liver to break it down and eliminate it. Grapefruit slows down the liver and cause drug concentrations to rise in the blood stream. Be careful. -- Steve - dudescholar2@... " When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before. " --Mae West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 I was refering to taking the grapefruit instead of the statin drug. Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damage Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Thanks Tony. I have high cholesterol, but fortunately my doctor understands that it is not how high one's cholesterol is that really matters, but it is the ratio of the HDL and the LDL that is important. [i have the following on a Word document; if anyone would like a copy to give to their health practitioner, email me at surpriseshan2@... ] Understanding Cholesterol! Let's clear up the confusion over cholesterol! Cholesterol is so important that it is produced in your body in 2 specific ways. Doctors have determined that having the proper ratio between HDL and LDL is a more important predictor of health than the level of total cholesterol. Now we know that low fat, low cholesterol diets result in lower overall cholesterol but low fat diets also cause the good HDL cholesterol to drop too low, and when HDL is too low the risk of disease increases. There is a significant and growing amount of research that shows that cholesterol does not cause heart disease and the dietary consumption of foods containing cholesterol has only a minor effect in determining total cholesterol levels.When you begin eating in a way that avoids the production of excess insulin and puts glucagon in the metabolic driver's seat, your blood cholesterol level will fall effortlessly and you will realize that in the bigger picture, dietary cholesterol consumption is essentially a non-issue. http://www.totalhealthdynamics.com/cholesterol.htm But I have 3 friends whose doctors don't know this nor believe it, and whom have high cholesterol. I will give this info to them. Thanks again. Have you tried this? many blessings Shan Statins: The truth! Posted by: "Tony Coranis" garliccure@... garliccure Mon Nov 6, 2006 7:16 pm (PST) The statin drugs were developed due to a natural occuring product called red yeast rice (which has no side effects) that inhibits a certain enzyme. The statin drugs: 1) Will lower cholesterol! A) however, the heart disease rate remains unchanged. 2) Are very expensive 3) Have severe side effects. If anyone would like to try the following (takes 6 weeks) Every morning peel a grapefruit (preferably organic) and cut it up into a blender and blend and drink it. There is a natural fiber in grapefruit that workd much better than the statins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 In June my physician told me my blood is like " paste" or could be. I felt nothing and had no complaint but have been aware that my level was high. So I listened and started Krestor with lycophane and cq10. I felt good before and still feel the same. Am I a ticking bomb?Tony Coranis <garliccure@...> wrote: I was refering to taking the grapefruit instead of the statin drug. Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damage Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 I would try alternative methods. Get off the crestor for a few months and start eating a grapefruit daily. Also switch to rel whole wheat bread and eat lentil or bean soup a couple times a week.H Rosen <rsn_h@...> wrote: In June my physician told me my blood is like " paste" or could be. I felt nothing and had no complaint but have been aware that my level was high. So I listened and started Krestor with lycophane and cq10. I felt good before and still feel the same. Am I a ticking bomb?Tony Coranis <garliccure@...> wrote: I was refering to taking the grapefruit instead of the statin drug. Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damage Sponsored LinkGet an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Check out the all-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Tony This sounds like 'a plan' or treatment protocol??? Call you tell me please why those particular foods? And what if somebody is gluten- intolerant or celiac? Will another whole grain do or something like quinoa or amarath? Do the beans need to be in a soup and if so, what else also needs to be part of it - or not part of it? Also do the beans need to be injested only in soup form or would something like fried or mexican beens or been cassarole be just as effective? best wishes Shan > I was refering to taking the grapefruit instead of the statin drug. > > Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damage > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Hi Tony & Group, If you can find breads made with sprouted grains or spelt flour, they are also a good (complex carb) choice. Red yeast rice CAN and DOES cause liver damage and/or muscle damage. RYR may be natural but it is still a statin, pure and simple. Fran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tony Coranis wrote: I would try alternative methods. Get off the crestor for a few months and start eating a grapefruit daily. Also switch to rel whole wheat bread and eat lentil or bean soup a couple times a week. AND... Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 On Tuesday 07 November 2006 8:20 am, Tony Coranis wrote: > I was refering to taking the grapefruit instead of the statin drug. As to the medical literature regarding grapefruit, I would recommend you do a check at PubMed for published medical abstracts at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed Try out a search for the keywords " grapefruit liver " or " grapefruit liver p450 " . Or you can try the popular press: Grapefruit Bad With Some Drugs http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/20/health/webmd/main668105.shtml > Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damage I wouldn't want anyone taking this kind of medical advice and ending up with the same side affects as other statins on this incorrect assertion. Again, as a reminder of previous information, red yeast rice contains Lovastatin, a statin known to cause the standard statin side effects. Personally, I tried red yeast rice under the care of an physician for several months AND my liver enzynes were higher on it than when I take Pravastatin. In fact, on the red yeast rice my uric acids lives went way above normal indicating something nasty was happening from the red yeast rice. Not only do the medical studies confirm that red yeast rice has the same side effects as lovastatin since it contains the same IDENTICAL drug, but my personal blood work adds to the evidence as well. My last blood work on Pravastatin was completely normal., a better result than red yeast rice. For a start, SEE: Red Yeast Rice Side Effects http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/redyeastside.htm -- Steve - dudescholar2@... " Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions. " --Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Below is dangerous advice. As has been noted on this forum before, stopping a statin cold turkey can result in rebound platelet stickiness which can cause blood clots leading to heart attacks and/or stroke. Go off and statin drugs slowly and deal with a compentent physician. Asprin, and fish oil are two choice that can help manage this problem. -- Steve - dudescholar2@... " When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before. " --Mae West On Tuesday 07 November 2006 2:54 pm, Tony Coranis wrote: > I would try alternative methods. Get off the crestor for a few months and > start eating a grapefruit daily. Also switch to rel whole wheat bread and > eat lentil or bean soup a couple times a week. > > H Rosen <rsn_h@...> wrote: In June my physician told me my blood is > like " paste " or could be. I felt nothing and had no complaint but have > been aware that my level was high. So I listened and started Krestor with > lycophane and cq10. I felt good before and still feel the same. Am I a > ticking bomb? > > Tony Coranis <garliccure@...> wrote: > I was refering to taking the grapefruit instead of the statin drug. > > Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 When I said Whole wheat, I mean whole grains also. As for the beans, YES, they can be refried or in a casserole etc. The fiber in grapefruit can also be bought in a product called ProFibe (my father uses it and it workd great). They say to work up to 3 scoops a day, however, my father takes one scoop a day with great results (you have to start at 1/2 scoop and work up, it gives you the runs). Also, another way is to buy some apples (ORGANIC) and either eat 2-3 a day (with the peel) or in a blender. The apple peel is loaded with pectin also.Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote: Tony This sounds like 'a plan' or treatment protocol??? Call you tell me please why those particular foods? And what if somebody is gluten-intolerant or celiac? Will another whole grain do or something like quinoa or amarath? Do the beans need to be in a soup and if so, what else also needs to be part of it - or not part of it? Also do the beans need to be injested only in soup form or would something like fried or mexican beens or been cassarole be just as effective?best wishesShan > I was refering to taking the grapefruit instead of the statin drug.> > Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damage> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 If that is true, then I apologize. I have never heard of statin like side effects with red yeast rice.steve <dudescholar2@...> wrote: On Tuesday 07 November 2006 8:20 am, Tony Coranis wrote:> I was refering to taking the grapefruit instead of the statin drug.As to the medical literature regarding grapefruit, I would recommend you do a check at PubMed for published medical abstracts at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMedTry out a search for the keywords "grapefruit liver" or "grapefruit liver p450".Or you can try the popular press:Grapefruit Bad With Some Drugshttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/20/health/webmd/main668105.shtml> Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damageI wouldn't want anyone taking this kind of medical advice and ending up with the same side affects as other statins on this incorrect assertion.Again, as a reminder of previous information, red yeast rice contains Lovastatin, a statin known to cause the standard statin side effects. Personally, I tried red yeast rice under the care of an physician for several months AND my liver enzynes were higher on it than when I take Pravastatin. In fact, on the red yeast rice my uric acids lives went way above normal indicating something nasty was happening from the red yeast rice. Not only do the medical studies confirm that red yeast rice has the same side effects as lovastatin since it contains the same IDENTICAL drug, but my personal blood work adds to the evidence as well. My last blood work on Pravastatin was completely normal., a better result than red yeast rice.For a start, SEE:Red Yeast Rice Side Effectshttp://altmedicine.about.com/od/herbsupplementguide/a/redyeastside.htm-- Steve - dudescholar2@..."Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions."--Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Fish oil (and or flax seed oil) are great also. As for getting off statins cold turkey, many people have done it. steve <dudescholar2@...> wrote: Below is dangerous advice. As has been noted on this forum before, stopping a statin cold turkey can result in rebound platelet stickiness which can cause blood clots leading to heart attacks and/or stroke. Go off and statin drugs slowly and deal with a compentent physician. Asprin, and fish oil are two choice that can help manage this problem.-- Steve - dudescholar2@..."When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before."--Mae WestOn Tuesday 07 November 2006 2:54 pm, Tony Coranis wrote:> I would try alternative methods. Get off the crestor for a few months and> start eating a grapefruit daily. Also switch to rel whole wheat bread and> eat lentil or bean soup a couple times a week.>> H Rosen wrote: In June my physician told me my blood is> like " paste" or could be. I felt nothing and had no complaint but have> been aware that my level was high. So I listened and started Krestor with> lycophane and cq10. I felt good before and still feel the same. Am I a> ticking bomb?>> Tony Coranis wrote:> I was refering to taking the grapefruit instead of the statin drug.>> Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Thanks Tony for clarifying that for me. Since the apples are organic, am I correct in assuming that all the food should be organic??? Why is the pectin important? Is it pectin that is important of those particular foods, apples and grapefruits? You seem to be advocating a high fiber diet here; or is my perception incorrect? Is that the why of the whole grains? Why does the ProFibe give people the runs? Yes; I ask a lot of questions. That is how I learn. blessings Shan > > I was refering to taking the grapefruit instead of the statin > drug. > > > > Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damage > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 On Wednesday 08 November 2006 5:02 am, Tony Coranis wrote: > Fish oil (and or flax seed oil) are great also. As for getting off statins > cold turkey, many people have done it. Stopping Statins May Cause Rebound That Triples Risk Of Death http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/03/020306074451.htm Or click here for a google search for keywords " stopping statin heart attack platelet " : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & sa=X & oi=spell & resnum=0 & ct=result & cd=1 & q=stopp\ ing+statin+heart+attack+platelet & spell=1 The evidence supports what I said before. In any case Tony, my few comments on these few issues is not personal. I merely wish to make sure people are informed of the KNOWN consequences of some of the recommendations. The argument " As for getting off statins cold turkey, many people have done it " is illogical and applies to 100s and 1000s of similar statements such as " as for refusing to look both ways before crossing the street, many people have done it " . While the statement may be true, it is nevertheless true that crossing the street without looking kills some people and stopping statins cold turkey is not a positive experience for some people. On the other hand, the people who DO die don't leave testimonials about how stopping statins cold turkey was the best thing they ever did. In any case, statins are significant drugs and one should use wisdom in using them and/or getting off of them as part of the process of improving nutrition and health. Even natural alternatives can be quite powerful, merely lacking patent protection doesn't make something safe and effective for whatever ails you. I personally use a combination of alternatives (not limited to " natural " ) and prescription medication to manage cholesterol and other health issues. If the day comes when I can eliminate the prescription completely, I'll take that step wisely, but until then, I do what is effective and most importantly what is in my own best interest. One of my reasons for electing alternative solutions where ever possible is I don't have to depend on a doctor somewhere to agree with me, but can take my course of action as I see fit. With drugs available internationally without a prescriptions, sometimes I elect those choices. Cheers. -- Steve - dudescholar2@... " When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before. " --Mae West > steve <dudescholar2@...> wrote: Below is dangerous advice. As > has been noted on this forum before, stopping a statin cold turkey can > result in rebound platelet stickiness which can cause blood clots leading > to heart attacks and/or stroke. Go off and statin drugs slowly and deal > with a compentent physician. Asprin, and fish oil are two choice that can > help manage this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 You should try and eat as much organic as possible. Pectin is in the apple peels and in the grapefruit. High soluble fiber (pectins, fiber in beans) combines with bile acids in the gut, preventing their absorption which helps the liver produce cholesterol. High insoluble fiber in the diet helps prevent glucose spikes. As for pro fibe giving the runs, your body has to adjust to theincresed fiber.Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote: Thanks Tony for clarifying that for me. Since the apples are organic, am I correct in assuming that all the food should be organic??? Why is the pectin important? Is it pectin that is important of those particular foods, apples and grapefruits?You seem to be advocating a high fiber diet here; or is my perception incorrect? Is that the why of the whole grains? Why does the ProFibe give people the runs?Yes; I ask a lot of questions. That is how I learn.blessingsShan > > I was refering to taking the grapefruit instead of the statin > drug.> > > > Red yeast rice does not cause liver damage or muscle damage> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Of course steve makes some good points. I am not denying that. However, be very careful with statins. If you are on them, you should get off of them. Ask your Dr. for a lower dose and wean yourself off them if quitting cold turkey scares you. Some things to consider: Statins have a high incidence of side effects. My uncle was on 80 mg Lipitor a day (highest dose) and after a year, his leg muscles started wasting away. He was switched to crestor (which is also bad). I have an aunt who takes 5mg a day of lipitor (10mg tablet split in half) and gets great results. Why a 16 fold difference between these 2 people, I do not know. My issues with statins is that they are pushed by the drug companies, are expensive, have serious side effects and od not lower the heart disease rate. If you want to stay on them, take some Coenzyme Q10. Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 One study, published in the August 2003 American Journal of Cardiology found that lowering bad cholesterol with statin drugs may not reduce the rate at which plaque builds up in the arteries surrounding the heart. This finding flies in the face of the widespread belief that lowering LDL cholesterol levels is the best way to reduce arterial plaque. In the study, participants taking varying doses of a statin did generally lower their cholesterol. However, all the groups had an average increase in arterial plaque of 9.2 percent. Another study published in the December 2002 Journal of the American Medical Association looked at the effect of statin drugs versus usual care (improving diet, exercise, etc.). While the statin group did lower their bad cholesterol levels significantly more than the usual care group, both groups had the SAME rates of death and heart disease. In light of these reports, and the known dangers of statin drugs, you would expect some major news in the area of statins, but the studies received hardly any mainstream media coverage. As with many health care issues, you’ll have to sort out the truth for yourself. Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Thanks for explaing all that Tony. Actually, given that you all were harmed by chemicals; I was most or less assuming that you all ate organic if you could possibly afford it. I am also assuming that you all want to get better, and it seems rather illogical to hope to do that while you are consuming more chemicals. best wishes Shan > > Tony > > This sounds like 'a plan' or treatment protocol??? Call you tell > > me please why those particular foods? And what if somebody is > gluten- > > intolerant or celiac? Will another whole grain do or something like > > quinoa or amarath? > > Do the beans need to be in a soup and if so, what else also > > needs to be part of it - or not part of it? > > Also do the beans need to be injested only in soup form or > > would something like fried or mexican beens or been cassarole be > just > > as effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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