Re: Owning Up to Who I am...Although...Who am I?

[Guest guest]

A lot of things in this world are a ploy to stop us questioning, keep

us busy - we are only meant to question what we are told to question

and of course accept the answers we are given without questioning

them :-) - the majority are being mass controlled, mass media, mass

hype etc and many buy into it. Oh and of course 'spin doctors' who

attempt to put a positive spin on things - like 'no we are not heading

for another recession - everything is fine - keep buying' Mmmmmmmm

>

> The paperwork/red tape problem is so huge, annoying and unnecessary

> that I can't imagine how on earth it got so ridiculous. Sometimes I

> wonder if it's a ploy to keep us busy so that we won't question

> what's really going on.

>

[Guest guest]

This is exactly how I've always felt! Being born into a common working

family in a suburb was a total shock to me. Where were all the silk dresses

and interesting toys? The gothic arches and beautiful flower gardens? The

chamber maid, the cook and my private tutor?

When I finally got a personal assistant (because of an injury that made me a

bit disabled for a while) nothing has ever felt more natural. I had no

problem at all switching from doing everything myself , to just leaving him

the responsibility for shopping, paying my bills, collecting my mail, taking

calls, driving me wherever I needed to go and carrying anything I wanted to

bring or buy. (Only now 9 years later have I gotten sick of it, and strong

enough again to do most things myself again.) But it was shocking to me that

it felt so natural and familiar to have someone else take care of everything

heavy and boring. Especially since I'm ideologically more to the left and

have trouble with the idea of having servants. But what to do when one NEEDS

it?

What I find odd is that so MANY of the hundreds of Aspies I've talked with

feel the same way. Perhaps our type survived the darker ages by either

having servants or joining a convent?

Inger

Re: Owning Up to Who I am...Although...Who am I?

This is funny because when pondering whether or not racial memory is

true (I think it is) I thought my ancestors must have been of

the 'gentle' class, the rich, unemployed who sat around studying,

riding their horses and playing the piano and that I inherited those

desires but no ideas on how to take care of the mundane tasks of life!

>

> I kind of get sick of people telling me I am intelligent and yet I

> cannot manage the simpliest of tasks - what is the use of

intelligence

> if I can not function enough to manage simple day to day tasks?

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Now you're getting it, ! ;-)

Here in Europe it has become so absurd with all the new EU rules &

regulations, that a farmer needs to spend more time at his desk than in the

field.

Inger

Re: Owning Up to Who I am...Although...Who am I?

The paperwork/red tape problem is so huge, annoying and unnecessary

that I can't imagine how on earth it got so ridiculous. Sometimes I

wonder if it's a ploy to keep us busy so that we won't question

what's really going on.

[Guest guest]

LOL! Please do! I'd love to see a nut collector.

Inger

Re: Owning Up to Who I am...Although...Who am I?

" Does a squirrel have to pay taxes on the nuts it collects? "

Mmmmmmm maybe they do, maybe there is a squirrel nut collector that

takes nuts from the other squirrels :-) it's conjuoured up an

interesting visual image, maybe they have nut inspectors too to make

sure the nuts are to regualtion size, type etc :-) Squirrel with clip

board and peak hat, maybe I should go play with photo shop :-)

>

> Inger,

>

> It's so true (sobs - wipes eyes).

>

> I think the majority of what we do is rather pointless. Take a look

> at animals. When was the last time they had to fill out a form to

do

> anything?

>

> Does a squirrel have to pay taxes on the nuts it collects?

>

> (Sigh)

>

> Tom

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[Guest guest]

LOL! Please do! I'd love to see a nut collector.

Inger

Re: Owning Up to Who I am...Although...Who am I?

" Does a squirrel have to pay taxes on the nuts it collects? "

Mmmmmmm maybe they do, maybe there is a squirrel nut collector that

takes nuts from the other squirrels :-) it's conjuoured up an

interesting visual image, maybe they have nut inspectors too to make

sure the nuts are to regualtion size, type etc :-) Squirrel with clip

board and peak hat, maybe I should go play with photo shop :-)

>

> Inger,

>

> It's so true (sobs - wipes eyes).

>

> I think the majority of what we do is rather pointless. Take a look

> at animals. When was the last time they had to fill out a form to

do

> anything?

>

> Does a squirrel have to pay taxes on the nuts it collects?

>

> (Sigh)

>

> Tom

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I kind of get sick of people telling me I am intelligent and yet I

> > cannot manage the simpliest of tasks - what is the use of

> intelligence

> > if I can not function enough to manage simple day to day tasks?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

support and

> acceptance. Everyone is valued.

>

> Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page

in the

> folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I kind of get sick of people telling me I am intelligent and yet I

> > cannot manage the simpliest of tasks - what is the use of

> intelligence

> > if I can not function enough to manage simple day to day tasks?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

support and

> acceptance. Everyone is valued.

>

> Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page

in the

> folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

>

[Guest guest]

,

I also wonder if maybe we have a sort of collective unconscious that

is more pronounced than what neurotypicals have.

Look at what we've all written here today. Lots of similar thoughts,

but also the same word choice and diction. Doesn't it almost sound

as though one person wrote all the posts?

I get the visualization that AS people are like fish swimming in a

school of them -all heading in the same direction, except neither

for protective or social reasons, but just because we are all on the

same wavelength, and because it feels natural.

Tom

,

Not to be elitist, but I am beginning to think that Aspies were

built to be " idea people " and " conceptualizers, " and that we were NOT

built to do the sorts of petty mundane tasks that most people easily

perform and tend not to concern themselves with.

Tom

" What I find odd is that so MANY of the hundreds of Aspies I've

talked with feel the same way. Perhaps our type survived the darker

ages by either having servants or joining a convent? "

I've heard that maybe we became monks or nuns. It is so amazing to

find out that all the myriads of things you've thought are shared by

a group of people. And you all are so interesting to talk to as far

as your individual viewpoints, as well.

(there I did it--I have a problem using my name or other

peoples' names until I get to know them really well. Almost like a

superstitious throwback belief that names are sacred and using one

unworthily is wrong. )

[Guest guest]

,

I also wonder if maybe we have a sort of collective unconscious that

is more pronounced than what neurotypicals have.

Look at what we've all written here today. Lots of similar thoughts,

but also the same word choice and diction. Doesn't it almost sound

as though one person wrote all the posts?

I get the visualization that AS people are like fish swimming in a

school of them -all heading in the same direction, except neither

for protective or social reasons, but just because we are all on the

same wavelength, and because it feels natural.

Tom

,

Not to be elitist, but I am beginning to think that Aspies were

built to be " idea people " and " conceptualizers, " and that we were NOT

built to do the sorts of petty mundane tasks that most people easily

perform and tend not to concern themselves with.

Tom

" What I find odd is that so MANY of the hundreds of Aspies I've

talked with feel the same way. Perhaps our type survived the darker

ages by either having servants or joining a convent? "

I've heard that maybe we became monks or nuns. It is so amazing to

find out that all the myriads of things you've thought are shared by

a group of people. And you all are so interesting to talk to as far

as your individual viewpoints, as well.

(there I did it--I have a problem using my name or other

peoples' names until I get to know them really well. Almost like a

superstitious throwback belief that names are sacred and using one

unworthily is wrong. )

[Guest guest]

>Tom: "......all heading.......""Heading"? As in brain storming, intellectualizing...... Cute choice of words!  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

" I've heard that maybe we became monks or nuns. "

When I was younger I liked the idea of becoming a nun - thinking

solitary and quiet and then I found out I had to believe a load of

stuff too and I cannot fake belief - if I don't believe I don't

believe - still the idea of going into a convent really appealed to

me.

" (there I did it--I have a problem using my name or other

peoples' names until I get to know them really well. Almost like a

superstitious throwback belief that names are sacred and using one

unworthily is wrong. ) "

For a long time I just signed off as Greebo or greebohere - it wasn't

until I felt comfortable that I used my real name and still I very

rarely address posts to people specifically - sometimes though.

> >

> " Where were all the silk dresses

> > and interesting toys? The gothic arches and beautiful flower

> gardens? The

> > chamber maid, the cook and my private tutor? "

>

>

>

> " What I find odd is that so MANY of the hundreds of Aspies I've

> talked with

> > feel the same way. Perhaps our type survived the darker ages by

> either

> > having servants or joining a convent? "

>

> I've heard that maybe we became monks or nuns. It is so amazing to

> find out that all the myriads of things you've thought are shared

by

> a group of people. And you all are so interesting to talk to as

far

> as your individual viewpoints, as well.

>

> (there I did it--I have a problem using my name or other

> peoples' names until I get to know them really well. Almost like a

> superstitious throwback belief that names are sacred and using one

> unworthily is wrong. )

>

>

[Guest guest]

" I've heard that maybe we became monks or nuns. "

When I was younger I liked the idea of becoming a nun - thinking

solitary and quiet and then I found out I had to believe a load of

stuff too and I cannot fake belief - if I don't believe I don't

believe - still the idea of going into a convent really appealed to

me.

" (there I did it--I have a problem using my name or other

peoples' names until I get to know them really well. Almost like a

superstitious throwback belief that names are sacred and using one

unworthily is wrong. ) "

For a long time I just signed off as Greebo or greebohere - it wasn't

until I felt comfortable that I used my real name and still I very

rarely address posts to people specifically - sometimes though.

> >

> " Where were all the silk dresses

> > and interesting toys? The gothic arches and beautiful flower

> gardens? The

> > chamber maid, the cook and my private tutor? "

>

>

>

> " What I find odd is that so MANY of the hundreds of Aspies I've

> talked with

> > feel the same way. Perhaps our type survived the darker ages by

> either

> > having servants or joining a convent? "

>

> I've heard that maybe we became monks or nuns. It is so amazing to

> find out that all the myriads of things you've thought are shared

by

> a group of people. And you all are so interesting to talk to as

far

> as your individual viewpoints, as well.

>

> (there I did it--I have a problem using my name or other

> peoples' names until I get to know them really well. Almost like a

> superstitious throwback belief that names are sacred and using one

> unworthily is wrong. )

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tom, that is so funny that you say that. I was just thinking the same

thing--really! I noticed it today and other times and on other

forums that someone will say something as though they were agreeing

with me or saying the same thing I was only to look at the date and

find they wrote it first! Even sometimes the same words or phrases

in addition to the same ideas. Wow. Maybe I'll revisit what Jung said

about this. He is suspected to be Aspergers, I read.

>

> ,

>

> Not to be elitist, but I am beginning to think that Aspies were

> built to be " idea people " and " conceptualizers, " and that we were

NOT

> built to do the sorts of petty mundane tasks that most people easily

> perform and tend not to concern themselves with.

>

> Tom

>

> " What I find odd is that so MANY of the hundreds of Aspies I've

> talked with feel the same way. Perhaps our type survived the darker

> ages by either having servants or joining a convent? "

>

> I've heard that maybe we became monks or nuns. It is so amazing to

> find out that all the myriads of things you've thought are shared by

> a group of people. And you all are so interesting to talk to as far

> as your individual viewpoints, as well.

>

> (there I did it--I have a problem using my name or other

> peoples' names until I get to know them really well. Almost like a

> superstitious throwback belief that names are sacred and using one

> unworthily is wrong. )

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > " Where were all the silk dresses

> > > and interesting toys? The gothic arches and beautiful flower

> > gardens? The

> > > chamber maid, the cook and my private tutor? "

> >

> >

> >

> > " What I find odd is that so MANY of the hundreds of Aspies I've

> > talked with

> > > feel the same way. Perhaps our type survived the darker ages by

> > either

> > > having servants or joining a convent? "

> >

> > I've heard that maybe we became monks or nuns. It is so amazing

to

> > find out that all the myriads of things you've thought are shared

> by

> > a group of people. And you all are so interesting to talk to as

> far

> > as your individual viewpoints, as well.

> >

> > (there I did it--I have a problem using my name or other

> > peoples' names until I get to know them really well. Almost like

a

> > superstitious throwback belief that names are sacred and using

one

> > unworthily is wrong. )

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting, . I would love to trace my family.

>

>

> In a message dated 11/2/2005 2:09:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> inglori@s... writes:

>

> This is exactly how I've always felt! Being born into a common

working

> family in a suburb was a total shock to me. Where were all the

silk dresses

> and interesting toys? The gothic arches and beautiful flower

gardens? The

> chamber maid, the cook and my private tutor?

>

> When I finally got a personal assistant (because of an injury that

made me a

> bit disabled for a while) nothing has ever felt more natural. I

had no

> problem at all switching from doing everything myself , to just

leaving him

> the responsibility for shopping, paying my bills, collecting my

mail, taking

>

> calls, driving me wherever I needed to go and carrying anything I

wanted to

> bring or buy. (Only now 9 years later have I gotten sick of it,

and strong

> enough again to do most things myself again.) But it was shocking

to me that

> it felt so natural and familiar to have someone else take care of

everything

> heavy and boring. Especially since I'm ideologically more to the

left and

> have trouble with the idea of having servants. But what to do when

one NEEDS

> it?

>

> What I find odd is that so MANY of the hundreds of Aspies I've

talked with

> feel the same way. Perhaps our type survived the darker ages by

either

> having servants or joining a convent?

>

> Inger

>

>

> I don't know that joining a convent would be a way to escape work.

Rather it

> would mean more work and tight schedules.

>

> As for myself, my family is decended from low level aristocracy.

One of the

> ancestors came from Holland to fight for Henry the VII and was made

a

> Gentleman for his efforts. Gentleman was the bottom rung on the

noblity scale where

> the knights and others were. He and his decendants became

merchants and were

> noted enough that one of them was given a land grant in Virginia

in 1640. He

> sailed his own merchant ship over here and set up his own township

as required

> by the grant. The family held out reasonably well over here until

the Stock

> Market Crash of 1929. Then, like so many others, they lost a great

deal and

> never really recovered. This is my mother's side.

>

> My father's side is a little less well known. We know that during

the

> Revolution, they left the South Carolina regions for Alabama to get

away from the

> war. Later, after the Mexican American War, they established the

village of

> Buena Vista along with some friends. In time, my family bought the

store and

> became prosperous merchants. Unfortunately again, after WW2, a new

highway was

> built that bypassed the town so the village slowly withered and

died. My

> father and his brother didn't quite share the earlier generation's

business

> acumen.

>

> In both cases, the land was divided up generation by generation

until very

> little of the orginal was left. I own a sizable bit of the paternal

lands, but

> much of it is in the hands of other cousins or belongs to big

companies like

> Georgia Pacific.

>

> I would like to have someone come by once or twice per week and do

some

> cleaning for me, but there isn't anyone reliable around here there

days. I also

> wouldn't mind having ready made meals or even just an inexpensive

liquid meal

> that I could drink quickly.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree that there should be some limits and regulations on the forests, but some of them are a little silly.

Zoning is the correct term for it and it can be messy. The zoning categories can be a bother since they can be hard to get changed. On the other hand this is good because it can protect farmland. That in particular is one thing I hate to see: farmland disappearing under subdivisions where there is perfectly good land in the city that could be redeveloped. All around here there is development on farms but there is land in the cities that could be used. Much of this land could be classified as slums or blight and could be legally taken under imminant domain, and I don't mean under the new twisting of it thanks to the Supreme Court. I don't think that will happen though given the racial issues that would come into play. It is unfortunate though because the tax base of this town is steadily shrinking as more people leave it for the suburbs or other towns.

The military base here just got 12,000 more jobs assigned to it under the latest base realignment and now would be the perfect time to clear out the worst of the slums and put good homes and apartments in there in place of them. But like I said, that won't likely happen.

But back to the farm thing. What concerns me is that there could come a time when we need that farmland again, like say another dustbowl time in the midwest. That is not out of the question and historical records show it could happen again any time and may indeed be starting. We'll need all that farmland in the east to feed the nation. But once you build those houses on it, fat chance of ever getting it back no matter how dire the situation might become. Again like I said, I would prefer to see cities and towns revamp rundown areas and not keep expanding.

[Guest guest]

> (there I did it--I have a problem using my name or other

peoples' names until I get to know them really well. Almost like a

superstitious throwback belief that names are sacred and using one

unworthily is wrong. )

Hey, you're the only other person I've met who feels that way about names. I

don't think it is superstitious at all. One's name is something very

personal, I think.

I simply cannot STAND it when non-friends - especially sales people - use

my first name as if they knew me. It just feels so wrong! And so

manipulative, whether it is to get me to buy something or if its a nurse in

the hospital or at the dentist trying to cuddle my feelings as if I'm a

child. It feels like an intrusion somehow, even if they mean well or are

only doing their job.

But when friends, BF, relatives and forum-friends use my name (to get my

attention, not in every other sentence!) I feel only honored and happy. :-)

Inger

[Guest guest]

Well, , in the case of forests, I think its a good thing that they have SOME rules so that land-owners can't just ravage the land as they please. (Not everyone is as conscientious as you.)

Same with zoning laws (is that the correct word?). As annoying as they may be, you've seem in Italy and Asia what happens when you don't have them, or when the regulating authorities are so corrupt that builders can cheat (= buildings collapse).

But naturally, there should be reasonable limits to the red tape. EU is an example of detail-regulating things they have no business regulating, down to the size and shape of veggies.

Its become absurd you're don't know whether to laugh or get upset.

Inger - for moderation as always.

Re: Re: Owning Up to Who I am...Although...Who am I?

In a message dated 11/2/2005 2:16:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, inglori@... writes:

Now you're getting it, ! ;-)Here in Europe it has become so absurd with all the new EU rules & regulations, that a farmer needs to spend more time at his desk than in the field.Inger

Inger,

It is like that in the forestry industry in the states too. There are all kinds of rules like you can't cut within 50 feet of a stream and other things like that. Lots of red tape and junk. Some of it is easily abused too. We once outbid a man for a property and he called the state EPA on us because a crew missed a branch that fell into a stream blocking it a little. Fortunately nothing came of it because there was nothing to it. I was in favor of suing over false charges or something, but the partners just wanted to let it slide.