Re: OT; for Vera (and others), question re: Bethanacol treatment; MMR

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Wow, I did not know that G-Alpha protein was also linked to MMR. It does not surprise me. I had always understood (from Megson's 2005 conference) that the damage was always linked to the pertussis component of the DTaP combined with mercury and/or aluminum. I know that the damage can occur slowly. I do not understand the mechanism by which it works other than that the bethanechol helps repair vision, sensory and language processing which go to the heart of ASD. I have a math background (majored in it) but not a science one. The only thing I know is what I've read and that bethanechol ended up being part of our solution, along with MB12, Valtrex. HBOT and now lithium. This month marks our 1 year anniversary on MB12. We have been lucky in that the only thing that blew up for us and sent us backwards were folinic acid and MB12 without upping the zinc monomethionine. VeraChap 'n Ali <chapnalli@...> wrote: I thought Megson also said that the measles could also cause the G-Alpha protein break as well as pertussis. My son started to regress with the MMR but didn’t lose his skills until 18 month shots like include DTP. From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of tophat123Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 12:16 PMmb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: for

Vera (and others), question re: Bethanacol treatment I wonder if there are similar genetic patterns (in the methylationcycle...Dr. Yasko's testing) in the early DTP/DTaP regressors vs. thelater MMR regressors. I think that would be interesting to find out.My son regressed very early also.---- Original Message ----From: sircarlitosbcglobal (DOT) netTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: for Vera (and others), question re:Bethanacol treatmentDate: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:54:03 -0700 (PDT)>Yes, my son regressed at

two months of age after his first DTaP and>then after each subsequent DTaP. He was definitely more affected by>the DTaPs then the MMR. In EOH, I believe that Kirby stated that>they now beleive that 30% of kids were the early DTP/DTaP regresseros>and that 70% were more affected by the MMR.> > And yes, I have long theorized that the kids who had a horrid time>with the DTPs are more likely to be responders to Bethanechol. That>is not to say my son does not have viral issues. His HHVI tither>(reference range <1:10) was 1:1400 and the EBV was 1:800 I believe. >I am not sure of the HBV, I would have to go back and check.> > Measles was high but not off the charts. Our DAN did some>additional measles lab work, and said that he probably did not have>the measles virus in his gut. I can not remember the test and we did>not have in scoped. He used to suffer from chronic

inflammation of>the lower gut and chronic constipation, but that greatly improved>with HBOT which we will go back to at some point. The only reason we>stopped HBOT was because we could not continue to spend $600 per week>indefinitely.> > Vera> Messages in this topic (4) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic .

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I re read Megson’s stuff and she

says that the measles depletes the vitamin A supply severely maybe not actually

causing the split from G-Alpha but the molecular glue that binds it. At

least that’s how I interpreted it. This would definetly make sense

in my son’s case. He had very little to no Vitamin A after the MMR and

then got his DTP at 18 months finishing off the job. So measles can play

a huge role but maybe not the entire injury. Every female member of both

sides of my family have hypo thyroid except myself and my sister (yet that is).

My son has a large difficulty absorbing the CLO but we are going very slow and

probable within the next year will be able to get the vitamin A up enough to do

this protocol.

Vera, your information on this has been

extremely helpful to this group and I thank you. I’ve been

researching it ever since you 1st posted it in early spring. I

am now looking at my son’s hand stims in a very different light. It

would be fascinating to look at a hand that didn’t look like it was

attached to an arm. Take care,

Here is the portion of Megon’s

theory on MMR (measles)

The

measles virus, part of the MMR vaccination, also plays a role in the g-alpha

protein problem. Measles vaccination is associated with lower vitamin A levels

and vitamin A in its natural form (cis-vitamin A) is necessary for activating

the retinoid receptors.

The

antibodies to the measles virus also disrupt the “molecular glue”

that connects one cell to another and which is so essential cell-to-cell communication

and gut mucosal integrity. The absorption of vitamin A from the intestinal

tract requires an intact gut mucosal surface, the right acidity (pH) and the

presence of bile.

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Subject: RE: Re: OT;

for Vera (and others), question re: Bethanacol treatment; MMR

Wow, I did not know that G-Alpha protein was also linked to

MMR. It does not surprise me. I had always understood (from

Megson's 2005 conference) that the damage was always linked to the pertussis

component of the DTaP combined with mercury and/or aluminum. I know that

the damage can occur slowly. I do not understand the mechanism by which

it works other than that the bethanechol helps repair vision, sensory and

language processing which go to the heart of ASD.

I have a math background (majored in it) but not a science one.

The only thing I know is what I've read and that bethanechol ended up being

part of our solution, along with MB12, Valtrex. HBOT and now

lithium. This month marks our 1 year anniversary on MB12. We have

been lucky in that the only thing that blew up for us and sent us backwards

were folinic acid and MB12 without upping the zinc monomethionine.

Vera

Chap 'n Ali <chapnalliverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

I thought Megson also said that the

measles could also cause the G-Alpha protein break as well as pertussis.

My son started to regress with the MMR but didn’t lose his skills until

18 month shots like include DTP.

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That is great info re vitA/MMR , thanks. Was that from her 2005

presentation? If you have a link somewhere handy could you forward it

please (I am having trouble accessing any 2005 presentations, is it only

me or...?)

TIA

Natasa

>

> I thought Megson also said that the measles could also cause the

G-Alpha

> protein break as well as pertussis. My son started to regress with

the MMR

> but didn't lose his skills until 18 month shots like include DTP.

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[Guest guest]

That is great info re vitA/MMR , thanks. Was that from her 2005

presentation? If you have a link somewhere handy could you forward it

please (I am having trouble accessing any 2005 presentations, is it only

me or...?)

TIA

Natasa

>

> I thought Megson also said that the measles could also cause the

G-Alpha

> protein break as well as pertussis. My son started to regress with

the MMR

> but didn't lose his skills until 18 month shots like include DTP.

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>

>

> _____

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Which is why its important to dose with high Vitamin A CLO - the

Carlsons and the Coromegas and the Nordic Naturals (some of them) do

not have enough Vitamin A in them. I found it easiest to buy the

Garden of Life brand as the Vitamin Shoppe carries it. The other one

is Ron's which someone on this list told me about but you need to

order it, thank you!!!

Gayatri

PS I have often wondered if some of the kids who go crazy after

dairy are the ones that are measles injured, maybe they are trying

to make up their natural Vitamin A and possibly D from dairy in the

face of depletion by the measles. My son went after dairy soon after

the MMR (at 13 months) and then took to wheat in a big way only at

2.75 years (1.5 years later). I don't know why that was delayed for

him. We don't have any " diagnosed " thyroid issues in our family.

>

> I thought Megson also said that the measles could also cause the G-

Alpha

> protein break as well as pertussis. My son started to regress

with the MMR

> but didn't lose his skills until 18 month shots like include DTP.

>

>

>

> _____

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>

> Messages

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[Guest guest]

Which is why its important to dose with high Vitamin A CLO - the

Carlsons and the Coromegas and the Nordic Naturals (some of them) do

not have enough Vitamin A in them. I found it easiest to buy the

Garden of Life brand as the Vitamin Shoppe carries it. The other one

is Ron's which someone on this list told me about but you need to

order it, thank you!!!

Gayatri

PS I have often wondered if some of the kids who go crazy after

dairy are the ones that are measles injured, maybe they are trying

to make up their natural Vitamin A and possibly D from dairy in the

face of depletion by the measles. My son went after dairy soon after

the MMR (at 13 months) and then took to wheat in a big way only at

2.75 years (1.5 years later). I don't know why that was delayed for

him. We don't have any " diagnosed " thyroid issues in our family.

>

> I thought Megson also said that the measles could also cause the G-

Alpha

> protein break as well as pertussis. My son started to regress

with the MMR

> but didn't lose his skills until 18 month shots like include DTP.

>

>

>

> _____

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>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Natasa,

Penni just posted a web site

that carried Megson’s stuff and that’s where I went, www.springboard4health.com/notebook/health_autism2.html

I also found it on the ari website

a month ago. I’m not sure of the year.

BTW, thanks for

all of that information on Bacopa! I’m sorry I haven’t gotten

back to you. I just bought some the other night and have to wait a few

days to give it to CJ but I will let you know how it goes. The guy at

Wild Oats laughs every time I come in because I ask about the most obscure

things. He happened to find some while I was researching on their supplement

computer. I figured it was fate. Take care,

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mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: OT; for

Vera (and others), question re: Bethanacol treatment; MMR

That is great info re vitA/MMR , thanks. Was that from

her 2005

presentation? If you have a link somewhere handy could you forward it

please (I am having trouble accessing any 2005 presentations, is it only

me or...?)

TIA

Natasa

>

> I thought Megson also said that the measles could also cause the

G-Alpha

> protein break as well as pertussis. My son started to regress with

the MMR

> but didn't lose his skills until 18 month shots like include DTP.

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> Messages

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Hi Natasa,

Penni just posted a web site

that carried Megson’s stuff and that’s where I went, www.springboard4health.com/notebook/health_autism2.html

I also found it on the ari website

a month ago. I’m not sure of the year.

BTW, thanks for

all of that information on Bacopa! I’m sorry I haven’t gotten

back to you. I just bought some the other night and have to wait a few

days to give it to CJ but I will let you know how it goes. The guy at

Wild Oats laughs every time I come in because I ask about the most obscure

things. He happened to find some while I was researching on their supplement

computer. I figured it was fate. Take care,

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of natasa778

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 5:45

PM

mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: OT; for

Vera (and others), question re: Bethanacol treatment; MMR

That is great info re vitA/MMR , thanks. Was that from

her 2005

presentation? If you have a link somewhere handy could you forward it

please (I am having trouble accessing any 2005 presentations, is it only

me or...?)

TIA

Natasa

>

> I thought Megson also said that the measles could also cause the

G-Alpha

> protein break as well as pertussis. My son started to regress with

the MMR

> but didn't lose his skills until 18 month shots like include DTP.

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> Messages

>

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