Re: Corn???? Wheat? Grease>>MODERATION with limited diets

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Saying I find that you can add those Offender Foods back in occasionally, and that we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ie lays which ARE GFCF-"OK") is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES are OK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff to digest. OK? Great!Tina Payton <amamteews@...> wrote: What, I think I follow but am not entirely sure???NMS Brach <nanskiwans (DOT) net> wrote: us too, with corn and actually regular bread too...after about 5 years now on purty strict GFCF....We are thinking that CAUTIOUS MODERATION is the buzzword(s). Our doc even told us that whil eit is up to us re diet, he doesn't think it is necessary to be that restrictive. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Ok, now I hear lots of murmuring about what a whack our doc must be, but based on behav and GI symptoms, it seems that OCCASIONAL corn, wheat, oats, do no harm. I am getting very suspicious of GREASE, ie the SmartPop, or potato chips>..more than a few seem to cause skids. ANyone?Tina Payton <amamteews > wrote: My son very occasionally has popcorn and or corn of any kind, if I never see any of the bad reprocutions I hear of like agression and rashes and things, is

there a possibility he can keep them in his diet occasionally? It's so hard to just keep restricting his diet. Thanks, Tina and Lyric Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Remember: Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground! -Nance Swiderski Brach, Field

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Saying I find that you can add those Offender Foods back in occasionally, and that we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ie lays which ARE GFCF-"OK") is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES are OK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff to digest. OK? Great!Tina Payton <amamteews@...> wrote: What, I think I follow but am not entirely sure???NMS Brach <nanskiwans (DOT) net> wrote: us too, with corn and actually regular bread too...after about 5 years now on purty strict GFCF....We are thinking that CAUTIOUS MODERATION is the buzzword(s). Our doc even told us that whil eit is up to us re diet, he doesn't think it is necessary to be that restrictive. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Ok, now I hear lots of murmuring about what a whack our doc must be, but based on behav and GI symptoms, it seems that OCCASIONAL corn, wheat, oats, do no harm. I am getting very suspicious of GREASE, ie the SmartPop, or potato chips>..more than a few seem to cause skids. ANyone?Tina Payton <amamteews > wrote: My son very occasionally has popcorn and or corn of any kind, if I never see any of the bad reprocutions I hear of like agression and rashes and things, is

there a possibility he can keep them in his diet occasionally? It's so hard to just keep restricting his diet. Thanks, Tina and Lyric Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Remember: Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground! -Nance Swiderski Brach, Field

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that's cool, I follow, sorry I always take a little more explainingNMS Brach <nanski@...> wrote: Saying I find that you can add those Offender Foods back in occasionally, and that we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ie lays which ARE GFCF-"OK") is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES are OK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff to digest. OK? Great!Tina Payton <amamteews > wrote: What, I think I follow but am not entirely sure???NMS Brach <nanskiwans (DOT) net> wrote: us too, with corn and actually regular bread too...after about 5 years now on purty strict GFCF....We are thinking that CAUTIOUS MODERATION is the buzzword(s). Our doc even told us that whil eit is up to us re diet, he doesn't think it is necessary to be that restrictive. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Ok, now I hear lots of murmuring about what a whack our doc must be, but based on behav and GI symptoms, it seems that OCCASIONAL corn, wheat, oats, do no harm. I am getting very suspicious of GREASE, ie the SmartPop, or potato chips>..more than a few seem to cause skids. ANyone?Tina Payton <amamteews > wrote: My son very occasionally has popcorn and or corn of any kind, if I never see any of the bad reprocutions I hear of like agression and rashes and things, is there a possibility he can keep them in his diet occasionally? It's so hard to just keep restricting his diet. Thanks, Tina and Lyric Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Remember: Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground! -Nance Swiderski Brach, Field Services/Photography Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Remember: Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground! -Nance Swiderski Brach, Field Services/Photography

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that's cool, I follow, sorry I always take a little more explainingNMS Brach <nanski@...> wrote: Saying I find that you can add those Offender Foods back in occasionally, and that we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ie lays which ARE GFCF-"OK") is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES are OK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff to digest. OK? Great!Tina Payton <amamteews > wrote: What, I think I follow but am not entirely sure???NMS Brach <nanskiwans (DOT) net> wrote: us too, with corn and actually regular bread too...after about 5 years now on purty strict GFCF....We are thinking that CAUTIOUS MODERATION is the buzzword(s). Our doc even told us that whil eit is up to us re diet, he doesn't think it is necessary to be that restrictive. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Ok, now I hear lots of murmuring about what a whack our doc must be, but based on behav and GI symptoms, it seems that OCCASIONAL corn, wheat, oats, do no harm. I am getting very suspicious of GREASE, ie the SmartPop, or potato chips>..more than a few seem to cause skids. ANyone?Tina Payton <amamteews > wrote: My son very occasionally has popcorn and or corn of any kind, if I never see any of the bad reprocutions I hear of like agression and rashes and things, is there a possibility he can keep them in his diet occasionally? It's so hard to just keep restricting his diet. Thanks, Tina and Lyric Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Remember: Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground! -Nance Swiderski Brach, Field Services/Photography Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Remember: Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground! -Nance Swiderski Brach, Field Services/Photography

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we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ie

lays which ARE GFCF- " OK " ) is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES are

OK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff to

digest.

Same experience here, with chips on the OK list for Feingold.

Reactions anyway.

Nell

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we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ie

lays which ARE GFCF- " OK " ) is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES are

OK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff to

digest.

Same experience here, with chips on the OK list for Feingold.

Reactions anyway.

Nell

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Re. the grease in chips, what "reactions" do you see? Are you talking behavioral or physical like loose stools, distended belly, etc? Just curious. We are SCD w/the exception of potatoes and yes, chips. My kids don't seem to have any negative physical symptoms from them but I am wondering what issues you all are having. Thanks! Dana R.

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of lanelliciSent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:23 PMmb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Corn???? Wheat? Grease>>MODERATION with limited diets

>we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ielays which ARE GFCF-"OK") is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES areOK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff todigest.Same experience here, with chips on the OK list for Feingold.Reactions anyway.Nell

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Re. the grease in chips, what "reactions" do you see? Are you talking behavioral or physical like loose stools, distended belly, etc? Just curious. We are SCD w/the exception of potatoes and yes, chips. My kids don't seem to have any negative physical symptoms from them but I am wondering what issues you all are having. Thanks! Dana R.

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of lanelliciSent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:23 PMmb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Corn???? Wheat? Grease>>MODERATION with limited diets

>we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ielays which ARE GFCF-"OK") is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES areOK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff todigest.Same experience here, with chips on the OK list for Feingold.Reactions anyway.Nell

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> Re. the grease in chips, what " reactions " do you see? Are you talking

> behavioral or physical like loose stools, distended belly, etc?

Only behavioral -- snarling fury, that kind of thing. But that's his

reaction to everything he doesn't tolerate.

Nell

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> Re. the grease in chips, what " reactions " do you see? Are you talking

> behavioral or physical like loose stools, distended belly, etc?

Only behavioral -- snarling fury, that kind of thing. But that's his

reaction to everything he doesn't tolerate.

Nell

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physical like loose stools, distended belly, etc like you say----mine is pretty well SET except for teh gastro/diet stuff, the Final Frontier. Non-snarling anger when socially perplexed or overwhelmed, so not to often, thankulanellici <lanellici@...> wrote: >> Re. the grease in chips, what "reactions" do you see? Are you talking> behavioral or physical like loose stools,

distended belly, etc? Only behavioral -- snarling fury, that kind of thing. But that's hisreaction to everything he doesn't tolerate. Nell Remember: Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground! ,and, "Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're

scared." -Nance Swiderski Brach, Field Services/Photography

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physical like loose stools, distended belly, etc like you say----mine is pretty well SET except for teh gastro/diet stuff, the Final Frontier. Non-snarling anger when socially perplexed or overwhelmed, so not to often, thankulanellici <lanellici@...> wrote: >> Re. the grease in chips, what "reactions" do you see? Are you talking> behavioral or physical like loose stools,

distended belly, etc? Only behavioral -- snarling fury, that kind of thing. But that's hisreaction to everything he doesn't tolerate. Nell Remember: Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground! ,and, "Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're

scared." -Nance Swiderski Brach, Field Services/Photography

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The molecular structure of potatoes is just a mess. The protien is so long it

makes it

impossible to digest it all. The grease might be an added problem but the

potatoes are

essentially undigestible sugar.... a dinner party for yeast and bacteria.

- Stan

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> we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ie

> lays which ARE GFCF- " OK " ) is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES are

> OK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff to

> digest.

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> Same experience here, with chips on the OK list for Feingold.

> Reactions anyway.

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> Nell

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The molecular structure of potatoes is just a mess. The protien is so long it

makes it

impossible to digest it all. The grease might be an added problem but the

potatoes are

essentially undigestible sugar.... a dinner party for yeast and bacteria.

- Stan

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> we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ie

> lays which ARE GFCF- " OK " ) is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES are

> OK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff to

> digest.

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> Same experience here, with chips on the OK list for Feingold.

> Reactions anyway.

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> Nell

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OK, you are quite the character fresh off vacation! So, wheat and barley and rye and oats and corn are all on YOUR NO LIST, OK that is clear. SO WHAT DO YOU FEED YOUR SPECIAL CHILD ON A DAILY BASIS??????????? You are free with the NO NO's and potato putdowns, so pray tell what you approve of---I still contend that there are PLENTY of gfcf, other ASD kids who eat potato chips and french fries! WHAT ARE NOT molecular messes? Thanks a molecular million.Stan Kurtz <stankurtz@...> wrote: The

molecular structure of potatoes is just a mess. The protien is so long it makes it impossible to digest it all. The grease might be an added problem but the potatoes are essentially undigestible sugar.... a dinner party for yeast and bacteria.- Stan > >> we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ie> lays which ARE GFCF-"OK") is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES are> OK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff to> digest.> > Same experience here, with chips on the OK list for Feingold.> Reactions anyway.> >

Nell> San , TX (210)558-0503

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OK, you are quite the character fresh off vacation! So, wheat and barley and rye and oats and corn are all on YOUR NO LIST, OK that is clear. SO WHAT DO YOU FEED YOUR SPECIAL CHILD ON A DAILY BASIS??????????? You are free with the NO NO's and potato putdowns, so pray tell what you approve of---I still contend that there are PLENTY of gfcf, other ASD kids who eat potato chips and french fries! WHAT ARE NOT molecular messes? Thanks a molecular million.Stan Kurtz <stankurtz@...> wrote: The

molecular structure of potatoes is just a mess. The protien is so long it makes it impossible to digest it all. The grease might be an added problem but the potatoes are essentially undigestible sugar.... a dinner party for yeast and bacteria.- Stan > >> we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ie> lays which ARE GFCF-"OK") is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES are> OK, but the grease/oil in those porcessed foods like this is diff to> digest.> > Same experience here, with chips on the OK list for Feingold.> Reactions anyway.> >

Nell> San , TX (210)558-0503

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My son has been on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for 20 weeks (as well as being

casein-free and on Feingold Stage 2). SCD means no gluten, no soy, no corn, no

potatoes, no rice, no sugar, no " new " grains like quinoa (one of our favorites

from plain ol' GFCF days).

The book Breaking the Vicious Cycle contains recipe and menu ideas. Here's a

sampling of what my son does eat: muffins made with almond flour or pecan bread

with natural peanut butter for breakfast, spaghetti squash with marinara sauce

for lunch, fresh fruits for snacks, turkey and broccoli for dinner. Homemade

smoothies and popsicles and blended frozen bananas as " ice cream " for desserts.

It gets boring (though now that my son's stomach is better, he is trying

salad/raw vegetables, too), but we've thrown in pancakes and pizzas and cookies

(again, all made with nut flours or nut butters). I know that some try to

restrict fruits, too, but I don't think we could keep my son happy and healthy

that way.

I'm not posting to try to persuade anyone to go this route. I just wanted to

give you an idea of what SCD looks like in one house. I'm a lousy cook, and my

son LOVED his white rice and Cascadian Farms french fries as much as any kid

could. We're making do, though. No big " wows " developmentally, but my son's

digestive system is clearly functioning properly for the first time in years.

He's more comfortable, and he's had a growth spurt besides. We're hoping that

his gut is healing and that he'll turn into a " responder " as a result.

Jacquie

NMS Brach <nanski@...> wrote:

>OK, you are quite the character fresh off vacation!

> So, wheat and barley and rye and oats and corn are all on YOUR NO LIST, OK

that is clear.

> SO WHAT DO YOU FEED YOUR SPECIAL CHILD ON A DAILY BASIS??????????? You are

free with the NO NO's and potato putdowns, so pray tell what you approve of---I

still contend that there are PLENTY of gfcf, other ASD kids who eat potato chips

and french fries! WHAT ARE NOT molecular messes? Thanks a molecular million.

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>Stan Kurtz <stankurtz@...> wrote:

> The molecular structure of potatoes is just a mess. The protien is so

long it makes it

>impossible to digest it all. The grease might be an added problem but the

potatoes are

>essentially undigestible sugar.... a dinner party for yeast and bacteria.

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>- Stan

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>> we personally are suspecting that the GREASE ie in potato chips (ie

>> lays which ARE GFCF- " OK " ) is a gut problem-creator. The POTATOES are

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>> digest.

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>> Same experience here, with chips on the OK list for Feingold.

>> Reactions anyway.

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My son has been on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for 20 weeks (as well as being

casein-free and on Feingold Stage 2). SCD means no gluten, no soy, no corn, no

potatoes, no rice, no sugar, no " new " grains like quinoa (one of our favorites

from plain ol' GFCF days).

The book Breaking the Vicious Cycle contains recipe and menu ideas. Here's a

sampling of what my son does eat: muffins made with almond flour or pecan bread

with natural peanut butter for breakfast, spaghetti squash with marinara sauce

for lunch, fresh fruits for snacks, turkey and broccoli for dinner. Homemade

smoothies and popsicles and blended frozen bananas as " ice cream " for desserts.

It gets boring (though now that my son's stomach is better, he is trying

salad/raw vegetables, too), but we've thrown in pancakes and pizzas and cookies

(again, all made with nut flours or nut butters). I know that some try to

restrict fruits, too, but I don't think we could keep my son happy and healthy

that way.

I'm not posting to try to persuade anyone to go this route. I just wanted to

give you an idea of what SCD looks like in one house. I'm a lousy cook, and my

son LOVED his white rice and Cascadian Farms french fries as much as any kid

could. We're making do, though. No big " wows " developmentally, but my son's

digestive system is clearly functioning properly for the first time in years.

He's more comfortable, and he's had a growth spurt besides. We're hoping that

his gut is healing and that he'll turn into a " responder " as a result.

Jacquie

NMS Brach <nanski@...> wrote:

>OK, you are quite the character fresh off vacation!

> So, wheat and barley and rye and oats and corn are all on YOUR NO LIST, OK

that is clear.

> SO WHAT DO YOU FEED YOUR SPECIAL CHILD ON A DAILY BASIS??????????? You are

free with the NO NO's and potato putdowns, so pray tell what you approve of---I

still contend that there are PLENTY of gfcf, other ASD kids who eat potato chips

and french fries! WHAT ARE NOT molecular messes? Thanks a molecular million.

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>Stan Kurtz <stankurtz@...> wrote:

> The molecular structure of potatoes is just a mess. The protien is so

long it makes it

>impossible to digest it all. The grease might be an added problem but the

potatoes are

>essentially undigestible sugar.... a dinner party for yeast and bacteria.

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>- Stan

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>> Reactions anyway.

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