RE: 5 days into acyclovir--could this be a healing regression?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I do not believe acyclovir or OLE have B6 in them. I don't have a bottle of

virastop, so I

can't speak about htat.

This could be a healing regression or it could be fungus and bacteria. We

typically

suggest folks being on an antifungal with your antiviral approach since

antivirals typically

kickup a lot of fungus.

- Stan

>

> My five year old daughter started acyclovir on Saturday. (I know

> this is a Valtrex group, but I'm hoping the issues are similar enough

> that folks can help. We are doing a one-month trial of acylcovir

> whiel we try to convince our insurance to pay for Valtrex.) Since

> then, she has been very regressive--stimmy, tantrummy, uncooperative,

> nasal allergies bothering her, diarrhea. But she was on somewhat of

> a downhill slide, with increased stimminess and tantrums, even before

> we started the acylcovir. NOw that I think about it, her downhill

> slide may have began with the start of olive lef extract and virastop

> a few weeks prior. However, since starting the acylcovir, she is

> definitely worse.

>

> COuld this be a healing regression? She doesn't have a rash. Or

> coiuld it be an indicator that she is not tolerating the anti-

> virals? HOw long does a healing regressin typically last? Should we

> stop the OLE and Virastop, and just do the acylcovir?

>

> I read on another listserve that OLE and Virastop have a lot of B6 in

> them and some kids can't handle that. Does anyoen know if

> acylclovir and OLE also have B6?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I do not believe acyclovir or OLE have B6 in them. I don't have a bottle of

virastop, so I

can't speak about htat.

This could be a healing regression or it could be fungus and bacteria. We

typically

suggest folks being on an antifungal with your antiviral approach since

antivirals typically

kickup a lot of fungus.

- Stan

>

> My five year old daughter started acyclovir on Saturday. (I know

> this is a Valtrex group, but I'm hoping the issues are similar enough

> that folks can help. We are doing a one-month trial of acylcovir

> whiel we try to convince our insurance to pay for Valtrex.) Since

> then, she has been very regressive--stimmy, tantrummy, uncooperative,

> nasal allergies bothering her, diarrhea. But she was on somewhat of

> a downhill slide, with increased stimminess and tantrums, even before

> we started the acylcovir. NOw that I think about it, her downhill

> slide may have began with the start of olive lef extract and virastop

> a few weeks prior. However, since starting the acylcovir, she is

> definitely worse.

>

> COuld this be a healing regression? She doesn't have a rash. Or

> coiuld it be an indicator that she is not tolerating the anti-

> virals? HOw long does a healing regressin typically last? Should we

> stop the OLE and Virastop, and just do the acylcovir?

>

> I read on another listserve that OLE and Virastop have a lot of B6 in

> them and some kids can't handle that. Does anyoen know if

> acylclovir and OLE also have B6?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Wanted to let you know that I was recently at the Autism One conference and learned that ViraStop has protease which can raise glutamate levels and cause some kids to become more excitable and stimmy. Maybe take a break from the Vira Stop and see if the stims reduce any. We stopped giving our son all enzymes that contain protease for a while. His stimming did reduce (mostly verbal), but I wasn't sure if was a big enough reduction to say for sure that the protease was the problem. Now we give them sometime when he has dietary infractions and are thinking of adding the vira stop back eventually.

Nickie

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of laurenpgmarshallSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:03 PMmb12 valtrex Subject: 5 days into acyclovir--could this be a healing regression?

My five year old daughter started acyclovir on Saturday. (I know this is a Valtrex group, but I'm hoping the issues are similar enough that folks can help. We are doing a one-month trial of acylcovir whiel we try to convince our insurance to pay for Valtrex.) Since then, she has been very regressive--stimmy, tantrummy, uncooperative, nasal allergies bothering her, diarrhea. But she was on somewhat of a downhill slide, with increased stimminess and tantrums, even before we started the acylcovir. NOw that I think about it, her downhill slide may have began with the start of olive lef extract and virastop a few weeks prior. However, since starting the acylcovir, she is definitely worse.COuld this be a healing regression? She doesn't have a rash. Or coiuld it be an indicator that she is not tolerating the anti-virals? HOw long does a healing regressin typically last? Should we stop the OLE and Virastop, and just do the acylcovir?I read on another listserve that OLE and Virastop have a lot of B6 in them and some kids can't handle that. Does anyoen know if acylclovir and OLE also have B6?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

,

Wanted to let you know that I was recently at the Autism One conference and learned that ViraStop has protease which can raise glutamate levels and cause some kids to become more excitable and stimmy. Maybe take a break from the Vira Stop and see if the stims reduce any. We stopped giving our son all enzymes that contain protease for a while. His stimming did reduce (mostly verbal), but I wasn't sure if was a big enough reduction to say for sure that the protease was the problem. Now we give them sometime when he has dietary infractions and are thinking of adding the vira stop back eventually.

Nickie

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of laurenpgmarshallSent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:03 PMmb12 valtrex Subject: 5 days into acyclovir--could this be a healing regression?

My five year old daughter started acyclovir on Saturday. (I know this is a Valtrex group, but I'm hoping the issues are similar enough that folks can help. We are doing a one-month trial of acylcovir whiel we try to convince our insurance to pay for Valtrex.) Since then, she has been very regressive--stimmy, tantrummy, uncooperative, nasal allergies bothering her, diarrhea. But she was on somewhat of a downhill slide, with increased stimminess and tantrums, even before we started the acylcovir. NOw that I think about it, her downhill slide may have began with the start of olive lef extract and virastop a few weeks prior. However, since starting the acylcovir, she is definitely worse.COuld this be a healing regression? She doesn't have a rash. Or coiuld it be an indicator that she is not tolerating the anti-virals? HOw long does a healing regressin typically last? Should we stop the OLE and Virastop, and just do the acylcovir?I read on another listserve that OLE and Virastop have a lot of B6 in them and some kids can't handle that. Does anyoen know if acylclovir and OLE also have B6?Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Thanks

This was so helpful to me. We have seen this 'excitability'and

verbal stims and had tried cutting all sorts of things and adding

lots of calming things to no avail. I cut out Virastop completely

yesterday when I read your post - even today he is improving - he

could sit down to watch TV tonight. Previously he had to jump

continuously and just could not sit still.

Interestingly, this excitability effect of Virastop only seemed to

happen once we started Valtrex.

If they said anything further about this at Autism One would be

interested to hear it.

Thanks again

Gail

>

> ,

>

> Wanted to let you know that I was recently at the Autism One

conference and

> learned that ViraStop has protease which can raise glutamate

levels and

> cause some kids to become more excitable and stimmy. Maybe take a

break

> from the Vira Stop and see if the stims reduce any. We stopped

giving our

> son all enzymes that contain protease for a while. His stimming

did reduce

> (mostly verbal), but I wasn't sure if was a big enough reduction

to say for

> sure that the protease was the problem. Now we give them sometime

when he

> has dietary infractions and are thinking of adding the vira stop

back

> eventually.

>

> Nickie

> 5 days into acyclovir--could this be a

healing

> regression?

>

>

> My five year old daughter started acyclovir on Saturday. (I know

> this is a Valtrex group, but I'm hoping the issues are similar

enough

> that folks can help. We are doing a one-month trial of acylcovir

> whiel we try to convince our insurance to pay for Valtrex.) Since

> then, she has been very regressive--stimmy, tantrummy,

uncooperative,

> nasal allergies bothering her, diarrhea. But she was on somewhat

of

> a downhill slide, with increased stimminess and tantrums, even

before

> we started the acylcovir. NOw that I think about it, her downhill

> slide may have began with the start of olive lef extract and

virastop

> a few weeks prior. However, since starting the acylcovir, she is

> definitely worse.

>

> COuld this be a healing regression? She doesn't have a rash. Or

> coiuld it be an indicator that she is not tolerating the anti-

> virals? HOw long does a healing regressin typically last? Should

we

> stop the OLE and Virastop, and just do the acylcovir?

>

> I read on another listserve that OLE and Virastop have a lot of

B6 in

> them and some kids can't handle that. Does anyoen know if

> acylclovir and OLE also have B6?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks

This was so helpful to me. We have seen this 'excitability'and

verbal stims and had tried cutting all sorts of things and adding

lots of calming things to no avail. I cut out Virastop completely

yesterday when I read your post - even today he is improving - he

could sit down to watch TV tonight. Previously he had to jump

continuously and just could not sit still.

Interestingly, this excitability effect of Virastop only seemed to

happen once we started Valtrex.

If they said anything further about this at Autism One would be

interested to hear it.

Thanks again

Gail

>

> ,

>

> Wanted to let you know that I was recently at the Autism One

conference and

> learned that ViraStop has protease which can raise glutamate

levels and

> cause some kids to become more excitable and stimmy. Maybe take a

break

> from the Vira Stop and see if the stims reduce any. We stopped

giving our

> son all enzymes that contain protease for a while. His stimming

did reduce

> (mostly verbal), but I wasn't sure if was a big enough reduction

to say for

> sure that the protease was the problem. Now we give them sometime

when he

> has dietary infractions and are thinking of adding the vira stop

back

> eventually.

>

> Nickie

> 5 days into acyclovir--could this be a

healing

> regression?

>

>

> My five year old daughter started acyclovir on Saturday. (I know

> this is a Valtrex group, but I'm hoping the issues are similar

enough

> that folks can help. We are doing a one-month trial of acylcovir

> whiel we try to convince our insurance to pay for Valtrex.) Since

> then, she has been very regressive--stimmy, tantrummy,

uncooperative,

> nasal allergies bothering her, diarrhea. But she was on somewhat

of

> a downhill slide, with increased stimminess and tantrums, even

before

> we started the acylcovir. NOw that I think about it, her downhill

> slide may have began with the start of olive lef extract and

virastop

> a few weeks prior. However, since starting the acylcovir, she is

> definitely worse.

>

> COuld this be a healing regression? She doesn't have a rash. Or

> coiuld it be an indicator that she is not tolerating the anti-

> virals? HOw long does a healing regressin typically last? Should

we

> stop the OLE and Virastop, and just do the acylcovir?

>

> I read on another listserve that OLE and Virastop have a lot of

B6 in

> them and some kids can't handle that. Does anyoen know if

> acylclovir and OLE also have B6?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Nickie,

Thank you so much for your post. It very well could have been the

Virastop,at least in part, as my daughter's stims/irritability date

back to around the time we started it. We eliminated it after I read

your post. However, she is still reacting badly to the acyclovir, so

I can't see any realy noticiable improvement for stopping the

virastop. Still, it's good to have identified one of the possible

culprits.

>

> ,

>

> Wanted to let you know that I was recently at the Autism One

conference and

> learned that ViraStop has protease which can raise glutamate levels

and

> cause some kids to become more excitable and stimmy. Maybe take a

break

> from the Vira Stop and see if the stims reduce any. We stopped

giving our

> son all enzymes that contain protease for a while. His stimming

did reduce

> (mostly verbal), but I wasn't sure if was a big enough reduction to

say for

> sure that the protease was the problem. Now we give them sometime

when he

> has dietary infractions and are thinking of adding the vira stop

back

> eventually.

>

> Nickie

> 5 days into acyclovir--could this be a

healing

> regression?

>

>

> My five year old daughter started acyclovir on Saturday. (I know

> this is a Valtrex group, but I'm hoping the issues are similar

enough

> that folks can help. We are doing a one-month trial of acylcovir

> whiel we try to convince our insurance to pay for Valtrex.) Since

> then, she has been very regressive--stimmy, tantrummy,

uncooperative,

> nasal allergies bothering her, diarrhea. But she was on somewhat

of

> a downhill slide, with increased stimminess and tantrums, even

before

> we started the acylcovir. NOw that I think about it, her downhill

> slide may have began with the start of olive lef extract and

virastop

> a few weeks prior. However, since starting the acylcovir, she is

> definitely worse.

>

> COuld this be a healing regression? She doesn't have a rash. Or

> coiuld it be an indicator that she is not tolerating the anti-

> virals? HOw long does a healing regressin typically last? Should

we

> stop the OLE and Virastop, and just do the acylcovir?

>

> I read on another listserve that OLE and Virastop have a lot of

B6 in

> them and some kids can't handle that. Does anyoen know if

> acylclovir and OLE also have B6?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Nickie,

Thank you so much for your post. It very well could have been the

Virastop,at least in part, as my daughter's stims/irritability date

back to around the time we started it. We eliminated it after I read

your post. However, she is still reacting badly to the acyclovir, so

I can't see any realy noticiable improvement for stopping the

virastop. Still, it's good to have identified one of the possible

culprits.

>

> ,

>

> Wanted to let you know that I was recently at the Autism One

conference and

> learned that ViraStop has protease which can raise glutamate levels

and

> cause some kids to become more excitable and stimmy. Maybe take a

break

> from the Vira Stop and see if the stims reduce any. We stopped

giving our

> son all enzymes that contain protease for a while. His stimming

did reduce

> (mostly verbal), but I wasn't sure if was a big enough reduction to

say for

> sure that the protease was the problem. Now we give them sometime

when he

> has dietary infractions and are thinking of adding the vira stop

back

> eventually.

>

> Nickie

> 5 days into acyclovir--could this be a

healing

> regression?

>

>

> My five year old daughter started acyclovir on Saturday. (I know

> this is a Valtrex group, but I'm hoping the issues are similar

enough

> that folks can help. We are doing a one-month trial of acylcovir

> whiel we try to convince our insurance to pay for Valtrex.) Since

> then, she has been very regressive--stimmy, tantrummy,

uncooperative,

> nasal allergies bothering her, diarrhea. But she was on somewhat

of

> a downhill slide, with increased stimminess and tantrums, even

before

> we started the acylcovir. NOw that I think about it, her downhill

> slide may have began with the start of olive lef extract and

virastop

> a few weeks prior. However, since starting the acylcovir, she is

> definitely worse.

>

> COuld this be a healing regression? She doesn't have a rash. Or

> coiuld it be an indicator that she is not tolerating the anti-

> virals? HOw long does a healing regressin typically last? Should

we

> stop the OLE and Virastop, and just do the acylcovir?

>

> I read on another listserve that OLE and Virastop have a lot of

B6 in

> them and some kids can't handle that. Does anyoen know if

> acylclovir and OLE also have B6?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Virastop also has a fermented soy component, Nattokinase, that is not

well tolerated here.

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Wanted to let you know that I was recently at the Autism One

> conference and

> > learned that ViraStop has protease which can raise glutamate

levels

> and

> > cause some kids to become more excitable and stimmy. Maybe take

a

> break

> > from the Vira Stop and see if the stims reduce any. We stopped

> giving our

> > son all enzymes that contain protease for a while. His stimming

> did reduce

> > (mostly verbal), but I wasn't sure if was a big enough reduction

to

> say for

> > sure that the protease was the problem. Now we give them

sometime

> when he

> > has dietary infractions and are thinking of adding the vira stop

> back

> > eventually.

> >

> > Nickie

> > 5 days into acyclovir--could this be a

> healing

> > regression?

> >

> >

> > My five year old daughter started acyclovir on Saturday. (I know

> > this is a Valtrex group, but I'm hoping the issues are similar

> enough

> > that folks can help. We are doing a one-month trial of acylcovir

> > whiel we try to convince our insurance to pay for Valtrex.)

Since

> > then, she has been very regressive--stimmy, tantrummy,

> uncooperative,

> > nasal allergies bothering her, diarrhea. But she was on

somewhat

> of

> > a downhill slide, with increased stimminess and tantrums, even

> before

> > we started the acylcovir. NOw that I think about it, her

downhill

> > slide may have began with the start of olive lef extract and

> virastop

> > a few weeks prior. However, since starting the acylcovir, she is

> > definitely worse.

> >

> > COuld this be a healing regression? She doesn't have a rash. Or

> > coiuld it be an indicator that she is not tolerating the anti-

> > virals? HOw long does a healing regressin typically last?

Should

> we

> > stop the OLE and Virastop, and just do the acylcovir?

> >

> > I read on another listserve that OLE and Virastop have a lot of

> B6 in

> > them and some kids can't handle that. Does anyoen know if

> > acylclovir and OLE also have B6?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> 8/3/2006

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>

[Guest guest]

Virastop also has a fermented soy component, Nattokinase, that is not

well tolerated here.

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Wanted to let you know that I was recently at the Autism One

> conference and

> > learned that ViraStop has protease which can raise glutamate

levels

> and

> > cause some kids to become more excitable and stimmy. Maybe take

a

> break

> > from the Vira Stop and see if the stims reduce any. We stopped

> giving our

> > son all enzymes that contain protease for a while. His stimming

> did reduce

> > (mostly verbal), but I wasn't sure if was a big enough reduction

to

> say for

> > sure that the protease was the problem. Now we give them

sometime

> when he

> > has dietary infractions and are thinking of adding the vira stop

> back

> > eventually.

> >

> > Nickie

> > 5 days into acyclovir--could this be a

> healing

> > regression?

> >

> >

> > My five year old daughter started acyclovir on Saturday. (I know

> > this is a Valtrex group, but I'm hoping the issues are similar

> enough

> > that folks can help. We are doing a one-month trial of acylcovir

> > whiel we try to convince our insurance to pay for Valtrex.)

Since

> > then, she has been very regressive--stimmy, tantrummy,

> uncooperative,

> > nasal allergies bothering her, diarrhea. But she was on

somewhat

> of

> > a downhill slide, with increased stimminess and tantrums, even

> before

> > we started the acylcovir. NOw that I think about it, her

downhill

> > slide may have began with the start of olive lef extract and

> virastop

> > a few weeks prior. However, since starting the acylcovir, she is

> > definitely worse.

> >

> > COuld this be a healing regression? She doesn't have a rash. Or

> > coiuld it be an indicator that she is not tolerating the anti-

> > virals? HOw long does a healing regressin typically last?

Should

> we

> > stop the OLE and Virastop, and just do the acylcovir?

> >

> > I read on another listserve that OLE and Virastop have a lot of

> B6 in

> > them and some kids can't handle that. Does anyoen know if

> > acylclovir and OLE also have B6?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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