Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 If you see a VERY hyper child with MB12 I would cut back on it. Did you see any benefits from the spray. Some people do better on the spray than the shots. I don't believe in pushing through with MB12. There typically is not a healing-regression like with antiviral therapy. - Stan > > We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! > Beth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 If you see a VERY hyper child with MB12 I would cut back on it. Did you see any benefits from the spray. Some people do better on the spray than the shots. I don't believe in pushing through with MB12. There typically is not a healing-regression like with antiviral therapy. - Stan > > We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! > Beth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Hi Beth, My son would blow bubbles when he had high histamines. MB12 shots raised his histamine levels. It literally drove me nuts. I don't know if this is what's happening with your son. It could be yeast or bacteria. There were many things that helped with high histamines for my son. The most effective were methionine, NDF Plus, aloe vera juice, cal/mag liquid, taurine, vitamin C with bioflavanoids. To read more about high histamines you can go to http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walshMP.htm I hope this helps, Tami Wilken Gavin's mom and BioRay's customer support for the asd community > > We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! > Beth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Hi Beth, My son would blow bubbles when he had high histamines. MB12 shots raised his histamine levels. It literally drove me nuts. I don't know if this is what's happening with your son. It could be yeast or bacteria. There were many things that helped with high histamines for my son. The most effective were methionine, NDF Plus, aloe vera juice, cal/mag liquid, taurine, vitamin C with bioflavanoids. To read more about high histamines you can go to http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walshMP.htm I hope this helps, Tami Wilken Gavin's mom and BioRay's customer support for the asd community > > We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! > Beth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Hi, I know this not of much help, but I just wanted to share. My son is also spitting 24/7 after starting B12 shots in Jan 2006. The plus is that his muscle tone improved , he's more focussed, more aware. got toilet trained within a month on shots. But the spitting continues unabated. For a while, it helped when I gave him nystatin, candidase and capryllic acid every 3hours. But now even that's not of much use.Hope someone has the solution to this. Sathyambcomfort <mcomfort@...> wrote: We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! Beth Find out what India is talking about on Answers India. Send FREE SMS from New Messenger to Mobile: Download NOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Spitting could also be acid reflux. From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of sathya l Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:46 AM mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: blowing bubbles Hi, I know this not of much help, but I just wanted to share. My son is also spitting 24/7 after starting B12 shots in Jan 2006. The plus is that his muscle tone improved , he's more focussed, more aware. got toilet trained within a month on shots. But the spitting continues unabated. For a while, it helped when I gave him nystatin, candidase and capryllic acid every 3hours. But now even that's not of much use. Hope someone has the solution to this. Sathya mbcomfort <mcomfort@...> wrote: We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! Beth Find out what India is talking about on Answers India. Send FREE SMS from New Messenger to Mobile: Download NOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Beth and Tami, Methylation is connected to the histamine system as well. Quite often I've seen people with chronic congestion improve withing an hour of taking their first dose. Many report breathing better as well. I have two videos on people with asthma improving with MB12, one from the spray the other from shots. I only rarely observe negative symptoms of histamine when MB12 was well tollerated, meaning there were obvious gains in other areas, but obviously it sounds like there are some so let's keep an eye out on this and I'll bring this up in my research circles and see what we can find. In the meantime, keep sharing what works. - Stan > > > > We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we > switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a > VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be > restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a > lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit > bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive > regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He > has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as > his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about > nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also > gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve > the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few > dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind > left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! > > Beth > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Beth and Tami, Methylation is connected to the histamine system as well. Quite often I've seen people with chronic congestion improve withing an hour of taking their first dose. Many report breathing better as well. I have two videos on people with asthma improving with MB12, one from the spray the other from shots. I only rarely observe negative symptoms of histamine when MB12 was well tollerated, meaning there were obvious gains in other areas, but obviously it sounds like there are some so let's keep an eye out on this and I'll bring this up in my research circles and see what we can find. In the meantime, keep sharing what works. - Stan > > > > We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we > switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a > VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be > restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a > lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit > bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive > regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He > has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as > his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about > nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also > gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve > the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few > dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind > left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! > > Beth > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 FYI----Spitting is also a classic Tourette symptom... a great source for that is Tourette Syndrome and Human Behavior by Comings, MD. He spoke at some of our CHADD conferences... in the early 90's in Sacramento. .... His book is great on case studies, coexisting (co-morbidity) conditions, genetics, and med management... but did not go into natural remedies.... at the time... Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 FYI----Spitting is also a classic Tourette symptom... a great source for that is Tourette Syndrome and Human Behavior by Comings, MD. He spoke at some of our CHADD conferences... in the early 90's in Sacramento. .... His book is great on case studies, coexisting (co-morbidity) conditions, genetics, and med management... but did not go into natural remedies.... at the time... Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Beth, if this behavior came with the MB12 shot then its possibly pushing his methylation cycle faster than his body can handle it. Have you looked at the Yasko protocol and looked at her genetics diagrams, that could help explain things better. Maybe he is not a candidate for methyl B-12 and needs a different form of B12 such as hydroxy or intrinsic (does not cross the BB barrier) or cyano. Yasko says other things need to be in place before you can mess with the methyl B 12 and folate cycle. Not all kids respond equally to DAN and you may need to visit other possibilities. My son for instance is a COMT++ and cannot tolerate too much of the methyl B12 shot, though we saw gains from the 3 day protocol he clearly needed a week's respite between the shots. We are now trying the hydroxy B12 to see how that works. If there are intolerable side effects you need to stop and re-evaluate your choices - unfortunately its something we are really good at at our house. Hope things get resolved and life becomes bearable at your end. Don't despair, there is always a different path to follow. Good luck. Gayatri > > We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! > Beth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Beth, if this behavior came with the MB12 shot then its possibly pushing his methylation cycle faster than his body can handle it. Have you looked at the Yasko protocol and looked at her genetics diagrams, that could help explain things better. Maybe he is not a candidate for methyl B-12 and needs a different form of B12 such as hydroxy or intrinsic (does not cross the BB barrier) or cyano. Yasko says other things need to be in place before you can mess with the methyl B 12 and folate cycle. Not all kids respond equally to DAN and you may need to visit other possibilities. My son for instance is a COMT++ and cannot tolerate too much of the methyl B12 shot, though we saw gains from the 3 day protocol he clearly needed a week's respite between the shots. We are now trying the hydroxy B12 to see how that works. If there are intolerable side effects you need to stop and re-evaluate your choices - unfortunately its something we are really good at at our house. Hope things get resolved and life becomes bearable at your end. Don't despair, there is always a different path to follow. Good luck. Gayatri > > We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! > Beth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 IF that's true, then I would also be looking to try MB12 Nasal Spray and do a PANDAS blood test. If your child tests positive for PANDAS that's probably the cause of the tourette's. - Stan > > FYI----Spitting is also a classic Tourette symptom... a great source for that is Tourette Syndrome and Human Behavior by Comings, MD. He spoke at some of our CHADD conferences... in the early 90's in Sacramento. .... His book is great on case studies, coexisting (co-morbidity) conditions, genetics, and med management... but did not go into natural remedies.... at the time... > Sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 IF that's true, then I would also be looking to try MB12 Nasal Spray and do a PANDAS blood test. If your child tests positive for PANDAS that's probably the cause of the tourette's. - Stan > > FYI----Spitting is also a classic Tourette symptom... a great source for that is Tourette Syndrome and Human Behavior by Comings, MD. He spoke at some of our CHADD conferences... in the early 90's in Sacramento. .... His book is great on case studies, coexisting (co-morbidity) conditions, genetics, and med management... but did not go into natural remedies.... at the time... > Sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Yes, I see this quite often and I even have several people on video who had asthma and recovered. The histamine pathway is dependent on methylation and it seems that some folks with chronic histamine issues do much better on MB12. - Stan > > > > > > We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we > > switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a > > VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be > > restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a > > lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit > > bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive > > regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He > > has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as > > his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about > > nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also > > gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve > > the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few > > dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind > > left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! > > > Beth > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Yes, I see this quite often and I even have several people on video who had asthma and recovered. The histamine pathway is dependent on methylation and it seems that some folks with chronic histamine issues do much better on MB12. - Stan > > > > > > We have been doing nasal MB12 for about 4-5 weeks before we > > switched to the shot. What we are seeing with the shot seems to be a > > VERY increased hyper behavior. Wild to the point of having to be > > restrained frequently, but we are also seeing him blow spit bubbles a > > lot. He likes to spit on everything and just play/mouth his spit > > bubbles. That has really increased. My question is: are these positive > > regressive signs or should I be looking for other answers to this? He > > has been on natural antifungals and we just started Nystatin today as > > his stool analysis says he is resistant to Diflucan. We are all about > > nuts around here as his behavior is almost beyond crazy. His twin also > > gets incredibly worked up when he is hyper. Both together could solve > > the Middle East Crisis as I could put them in a room with a few > > dignitaries and they would be screaming mercy!!!! If I have a mind > > left to lose when this is all over it will be a miracle!!! > > > Beth > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 All, Thanks for the great thoughts on the bubble issue. I do see some language gains but they are sooooo masked by his behavior. Hyper and aggressive and destructive. His teachers have all told me he is behaving in ways he never has before. Tearing up the manipulatives and hitting kids. Tonight he had the meltdown of all meltdowns. I feel like the only thing I can do at this point is stop all supps and give his body a break and restart everything again slowly. I hate it when it gets this way because I never know for sure what is causing it and it seems like by trying to make adjustments I can't seem to get it back to a good place. All I know is I cannot live like this anymore and neither can the rest of my family. mb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 All, Thanks for the great thoughts on the bubble issue. I do see some language gains but they are sooooo masked by his behavior. Hyper and aggressive and destructive. His teachers have all told me he is behaving in ways he never has before. Tearing up the manipulatives and hitting kids. Tonight he had the meltdown of all meltdowns. I feel like the only thing I can do at this point is stop all supps and give his body a break and restart everything again slowly. I hate it when it gets this way because I never know for sure what is causing it and it seems like by trying to make adjustments I can't seem to get it back to a good place. All I know is I cannot live like this anymore and neither can the rest of my family. mb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 With my son spitting was always related to yeast. We went through spits, clearing throat, lick spits,finger spits, spity spit spat, and sticky fireballs you name it. This form behavior is easy to spot now and I call it yeasty behaviors. Drinking plenty extra water helped but when we went to anti yeast protocol it always disappeared. We went through this for a few months until I had isolated it to yeast. Most people don't think they have yeast when the stools look good, diet is tight and gut is clear. IMO if you're doing biomed and stuff is working you will get die off and yeast in all interventions. My best Kenny V > > > > FYI----Spitting is also a classic Tourette symptom... a great > source for that is Tourette Syndrome and Human Behavior by > Comings, MD. He spoke at some of our CHADD conferences... in the early > 90's in Sacramento. .... His book is great on case studies, coexisting > (co-morbidity) conditions, genetics, and med management... but did not > go into natural remedies.... at the time... > > Sue > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 The worst case of autism we have had at Children's Corner was a little three year old who just spun and played with her spit and blew bubbles. Diet fixed it and it never returned. She still is non-verbal, but she is doing much better. - Stan > > > > FYI----Spitting is also a classic Tourette symptom... a great > source for that is Tourette Syndrome and Human Behavior by > Comings, MD. He spoke at some of our CHADD conferences... in the early > 90's in Sacramento. .... His book is great on case studies, coexisting > (co-morbidity) conditions, genetics, and med management... but did not > go into natural remedies.... at the time... > > Sue > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 The worst case of autism we have had at Children's Corner was a little three year old who just spun and played with her spit and blew bubbles. Diet fixed it and it never returned. She still is non-verbal, but she is doing much better. - Stan > > > > FYI----Spitting is also a classic Tourette symptom... a great > source for that is Tourette Syndrome and Human Behavior by > Comings, MD. He spoke at some of our CHADD conferences... in the early > 90's in Sacramento. .... His book is great on case studies, coexisting > (co-morbidity) conditions, genetics, and med management... but did not > go into natural remedies.... at the time... > > Sue > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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