my intro

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* aubinparrish@... (aubinparrish@...) [010327 13:47]:

* Subject: my intro:

> [ ... ]

> I have some specific questions - I just found a store within

> driving distance that sells Claravale raw milk. We don't drink

> milk straight out of a glass, and I would like to start making

> some fermented milk products. I've made yogurt, but if I'm going

> to go to the trouble of driving more than an hour to get raw milk I

> want to take advantage of it being raw, so I want to do something

> other than yogurt, since yogurt gets cooked first. So, the

> question is, what would you experienced fermenters

> recommend as the easiest, most fool-proof method for whole

> milk? I'm thinking keifer.

> [ ... ]

Kefir works, but so does yogurt. I do both.

Here's how I do yogurt. I do not heat the milk to boiling

or near boiling, rath I just warm my raw milk to about 90 degrees

F by placing wide mouth quart jars containing the milk in a pan

filled with water on the stove and heat it up slowly. The

temperature isn't real critical as you can go up to about 120

degrees and do OK.

After the milk is warmed up, take it out of the water bath and

put about 4 tbls of yogurt from a previous batch per quart

of milk and stir it in thoroughly. Next you just have to maintain

this temperature for 3-12 hours. All I can suggest is to

experiment to determine the amount of time gives the best taste

for you. To do this I put the quart jars into a box with a big

towel for insulation on the botton and another on the top, and

an electric heating pad around the jars in the middle. I switch

it on to 'low' and let it sit for about 6-8 hours. At this point

the yogurt should be firming up, so take the jars out and put

them into the refrigerator.

That's it! Now for the secret: I used " Stonyfield Farms " plain

whole milk yogurt as the starter. It has 6 species of bacteria

compared to 2-4 that most have, and it sets up firm without

pectin, gellatin, or powdered milk.

Good luck.

--alan

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Stonyfield Yogurt does indeed make an excellent starter, however,

I like the yogurt the best a couple of batches later after all

the store bought flavor is gone.

BTW, I think it best to try to avoid the creamy top in the part I

use as a starter.

Ruth

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i drink clarvale all the time and have lateley been fermenting it...

i let a little cream and raw honey sour (light souring, leave out a short

time) and add it to 3/4 of a bottle of clarevale. usually, in mild weather,

the milk tastes a little sour or carbonated in about a day, and pretty

quickly turns thick and tangy like yogurt. i don't add any culture other

than what comes out of my mouth when i drink the 1/4 bottle.

this has been working well for me, until yesterday, when i didn't get

yogurt--i got cottage cheese and water... that's fine, but not what i

prefer.

i've also found that adding a little bee pollen to the milk can thicken it

dramatically into a custard.

clarevale doesn't homogenize their milk

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> And has anyone actually

> been to their dairy? I know they don't grassfeed to any extent

> (don't advertise that they do, anyway), but I'm interested in how

> the cows are kept.

I buy my milk direct from the dairy. Usually when I get it the cream

hasn't even separated out yet And at the farm you can get the raw cream and

sometimes it's still warm! The milk itself is very fresh this way and the

date stamp is 2 weeks from the date of purchase. I have never had milk go

bad though I do go every 2 weeks (it's 1 1/2 hours away) for my family's

supply of raw milk and cream.

The cows are exceptionally clean. No flies to speak of. They are moved

around between different paddocks (is that the word?) and are not crowde at

all. They have clean hay and very clean living conditions that I noticed.

I did see some access to grass but not sure to the extent of it. On one trip

the owner was bottle-feeding a calf with a broken leg (as opposed to what

I'd expect--the slaughterhouse) I've been impressed. Dairy itself is very

small but inside (when I've glanced in) it's VERY clean--what you'd expect

from a place that bottles milk. I can take some pictures on my next trip

and post them (when I figure out how) for those of you who want to see where

your milk comes from : )!

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Thank you everyone for the information. I'll try

making yogurt with the low-heat method. And the

report on Claravale was great, I'd love to see photos

sometime. It sounds like the next best thing to

pastured cows I'm assuming such a place uses no

rbgh. I hope. What town is the dairy in? Maybe

they're close enough I could make a visit.

Aubin

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I pick up raw milk once a week and make the following fermented dairy

products with it: viili, fil mjolk, kefir, clabbered milk (with a buttermilk

starter), creme fraiche, yogurt, and fromage blanc cheese. When I get home

with the milk it's still warm so I generally have to wait for it to cool down

before adding the culture. The only one I have to heat up is the milk for

the yogurt. I make each one of the cultures one day a week ( most of them

are so easy) except for kefir which I chain culture, straining it and adding

more milk each day. I end up with lots of kefir which I use for marinating

meat, feeding to our dog, soaking grains in as well as drinking in a shake.

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--- BrenRuble@... wrote:

> and fromage blanc

> cheese.

How is this made?

Aubin

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I ordered the culture from New England Cheesemaking. It's really easy. I

take the raw milk straight from the cow and wait until it cools enough to add

the culture. Then I set it in a cupboard and 24 hours later have cheese. I

use it in lasagna, cheese balls, enchiladas, etc. It has the consistency

consistency of ricotta with a flavor more like cottage cheese.

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I came to this list after years of nutritional, medical, alternative research,

primarily focused on helping my severely autistic son. My son is 8, I also have

an 4+ year old daughter. I myself have my share of health issues, my daughter is

OK but not in my opinion nutritionally up to par. We stay away from drugs and

doctors as much as possible, we mostly use homeopathy and alternative treatments

when appropriate. I've had the NT book for quite some time but I never read it

thoroughly and never read the Weston Price book until recently. My son has been

G/FC/F, yeast, sugar free, seemingly forever and it has been nothing less than a

living hell keeping him on this diet. Dairy makes him violent and manic

depressive, gluten makes him drunk, as does anything containing any yeast

feeding sugars. This diet keeps him status quo, but he makes almost no progress.

He is big and strong, one would think he is very healthy until you see the dark

eye circles, the yellowish skin, and digestion problems. I don't know if any of

you have heard of Kane, but she has done a great deal of research on

fats and autism and in general promotes a diet similar to NT. But there is too

much use of supplements, no one in my family does well on any sort of

supplement, we all need our nutrition in food form. I have seen this time and

time again with myself and with my son. After reading the Weston Price book, I

want so much for my kids to be like those rye bread and summer cheese eating

frolicking Swiss kids... I don't think it's possible for my son to make up for a

lot that he has missed, but my goal now is for him to be calm, happy, healthy,

and to make steady progress.

I've been reading through the archives, learning a lot (thank you all), I have

some questions which I will post under the appropriate headings.

Sara

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Hi

I am new to the list also.

I have had CD for 23 years, ankylosing spondylitis also known as crohn's

arthritis for the same amount of time,

had a small bowel resection 15 years ago and was just recently dx'd with

rheumatoid arthritis.

I have been taking Asacol daily for the crohn's and have also had two

blockages that did work themselves

out in the hospital without surgery.

I started methotrexate by mouth and Remicade infusions 3 weeks ago.

The second day after the infusion all my spondylitis pain went away and I

stopped the Vioxx I had been taking.

Several days after that my fingers stopped hurting and swelling from the RA.

And my crohn's pain in my upper right stomach area/small intestine went

away. It had been hurting for over a year.

I decided last week to stop taking both meds when I was made to sign a

waiver that stated that people with long-term

crohn's disease who take Remicade for RA have been known to get lymphoma.

That scared me quite a bit as my grandfather died of non-hodgkins lymphoma

back in the 40's. I am 51.

I just talked with my rheumatologist this afternoon about all of this and I

have decided to go back on the meds.

He said that yes this had been a concern but that more study had been done

on this and that they felt that

anyone with any auto-immune disease has an increased chance of getting

lymphoma.

He also said that lymphoma is not hereditary like other diseases can be and

that just because my grandfather

had it doesn't mean that I will even though my immune system is pretty bad.

At first I thought I would rather be crippled and have crohn's than get

cancer and die but then after talking with him

and considering that I am in pain from the crohn's and may need another

resection soon and have two forms of arthritis

with one being crippling, am constantly fatigued and cannot work...it is

worth taking the chance by going back on the

MX and the Remicade.

Whew, that ran on a bit. Sorry about that. But wanted everyone to know my

story.

I wanted to say also that I have learned that stress plays a big part in

these diseases, at least in my case.

My dx of crohn's came one year to the day after my Dad died and my flareups

have always happened

after some major life issues.

My rhematoid arthritis has also come about after a major depression on my

part, some family issues with my grown son

and some financial problems from not working.

Thanks for this list and I hope to meet you all. Oh yes, I live with my

husband of 31 years, have one son who is married

and have 2 grandsons aged 5 and 2. Have cocker spaniels, cats, pet goats and

live on 1 1/2 acres of land in SW WA.

+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+

www.lindalathrop.com

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doihavtasay wrote:

> Guess I should send a proper intro to the list.

> I was invited by the list owner, not sure where he found me, but

> happy to be here.

> I am an alternative health convert you might say. I have always taken

> vitamins and done some basic things, but now I have really fallen off

> the deep end ;-)

>

> My youngest daughter is totally responsible for leading me down this

> path. She was born with two major heart defects and because of all the

> medical interventions compounded by some of the medical aspects of

> having Down Syndrome, she developed some severe problems in her

> airways, GI tract and developed an auto-immune disorder along with a

> compensated thyroid. After trying everything the main stream had to

> offer on her and getting NO relief and instead adding to her problems,

> I put her on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet about a year ago and

> FINALLY she is doing better!! She still has to take prilosec for GERD,

> but that has more to do with the low muscle tone of DS than what she

> eats and hopefully will out grow it as her tone improves with age.

> She is off all meds for severe constipation and the results of a stool

> analysis from Great Smokies showed NO yeast!! ( she was crawling with

> it before) and terrific absorption. She has put on 6 pounds this past

> year which is the biggest weight gain over a year in her whole life.

> This diet has always improved cognitive function, speech, gross motor

> skills etc. Its been nothing short of astounding. :-) I would never

> have thought food could have THAT big of an influence over a person.

>

> Another favorite natural remedy is our Rinoflow nasal irrigator. I

> bought it last year some time and since then she has not had one sinus

> infection! Her sinus cavities are somewhat flattened out due to the

> typical facial features of a person with DS so they don't drain real

> well. But this cleans her right out with no drugs and it's very

> comfortable to use. She actually likes it. :-) She hated the saline

> drops and sprays.

>

>

> I have started to explore the world of essential oils after seeing

> the pain relief peppermint oil can bring. She has Lichen Sclerosus

> which is crazy painful and has an itch that won't stop with out the

> use of a level one cortisone cream. ( that is the strongest they make

> and it comes with a long list of side effects) Many nights peppermint

> oil rubbed on her feet or back has gotten her back to sleep with out

> drugs. Also I will never be with out Emu oil for her either. That

> stuff IS magical I think!!! <g> It reduces pain and itch and totally

> healed my oldest daughter's severe eczema on her hands! The kind that

> was open, bleeding, infected and horribly itchy.

>

> We just started back to school and so of course that mean she has a

> cold and I started rubbing with her with a concoction that is supposed

> to be good for asthma ( which she also has) , bronchitis, getting rid

> of mucus and immune boosters.... and so far so good. :-) Lemon, thyme

> and rosemary REALLY seem to clear things out!!!

>

> Well I could write a book here. :-) Her Ped and Endocrinologist refer

> to this stuff as voodoo medicine LOL

> Even though I point out to them that IT WORKS and what the Drs have

> given her does NOT , and now it looks as though we just put the endo

> out of a job with all our voodoo as her thyroid tests had improved to

> the point that we could take her off those meds too, but right now, I

> would rather not rock this boat and just decided to let her grow out

> of the dose naturally. :-) ( with the drs approval btw) Funny thing is

> they just don't want to give ANY credit to what I am doing with her as

> being that helpful. Funny eh???? ;-)

>

> So that's my story in a nutshell.. starting to work on my problems now

> as I am entering the menopause phase and experiencing some of the

> typical symptoms and really just don't have time to be tired and not

> feeling well ;-)

> Also trying to help my oldest dd with the migraines she is suddenly

> getting. She has one year old twins and they have just started up the

> past 3-4 months. I think her cycles are getting back in motion and the

> hormone levels are triggering them.

>

> I will stop now. :-) Like I said, could write a book on the stuff

> going on here. I have gotten quite the education over the past four

> years, that's for sure! and still learning.

>

>

>

> Carol in IL

> doihavtasay@... <mailto:doihavtasay@...>

> Mom to 7 blessings including , 3 with DS and Grandma to

> Micah and Jonah.

>

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Hi Carol,

Welcome to the group. Wow!!! I do believe that you have been blessed in

many ways. It takes very special people to have very special people in

their lives to take care of. While we all have our own opinions about

various modalities of healthcare let me state to you that there is no

wrong choices ever. Any and every choice a person makes is the right

choice for them for the moment. This I firmly believe. Some of the

choices we make in our lives are very positive and good and some not

quite so positive and good but this is how we learn to make better

choices. :-)

There is very little in the way of alternative or conventional therapies

that will help to bring about total healing in a Down's Syndrome child.

Personally, I believe that it is possible but don't have a clue how to

go about it yet. It will take time but I believe that the truth of this

affliction will be made known and along with that will come the cure and

total healing of those so afflicted.

Good job on your voodoo magic. Also on your willingness to learn all you

can from both camps for they both have much to offer in many areas. I

have no doubt as to your recently acquired education. It is good that

you are still willing to learn and grow. I do believe that Suzi gave you

some good ideas so I won't remention them.

Peace be with you Carol and with your family as well.

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

[Guest guest]

Well welcome Carol ;-) You keep right on learning this natural stuff hon. My boys are autistic and they do very well with natural medical interventions. My younger son, who turned 8 yesterday, would have died before turning 2 if it weren't for some good nutrition and a couple of herbs.

Janet

----- Original Message -----

From: doihavtasay

health

Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:40 AM

Subject: My intro

Guess I should send a proper intro to the list.

I was invited by the list owner, not sure where he found me, but happy to be here.

I am an alternative health convert you might say. I have always taken vitamins and done some basic things, but now I have really fallen off the deep end ;-)

My youngest daughter is totally responsible for leading me down this path. She was born with two major heart defects and because of all the medical interventions compounded by some of the medical aspects of having Down Syndrome, she developed some severe problems in her airways, GI tract and developed an auto-immune disorder along with a compensated thyroid. After trying everything the main stream had to offer on her and getting NO relief and instead adding to her problems, I put her on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet about a year ago and FINALLY she is doing better!! She still has to take prilosec for GERD, but that has more to do with the low muscle tone of DS than what she eats and hopefully will out grow it as her tone improves with age.

She is off all meds for severe constipation and the results of a stool analysis from Great Smokies showed NO yeast!! ( she was crawling with it before) and terrific absorption. She has put on 6 pounds this past year which is the biggest weight gain over a year in her whole life. This diet has always improved cognitive function, speech, gross motor skills etc. Its been nothing short of astounding. :-) I would never have thought food could have THAT big of an influence over a person.

Another favorite natural remedy is our Rinoflow nasal irrigator. I bought it last year some time and since then she has not had one sinus infection! Her sinus cavities are somewhat flattened out due to the typical facial features of a person with DS so they don't drain real well. But this cleans her right out with no drugs and it's very comfortable to use. She actually likes it. :-) She hated the saline drops and sprays.

I have started to explore the world of essential oils after seeing the pain relief peppermint oil can bring. She has Lichen Sclerosus which is crazy painful and has an itch that won't stop with out the use of a level one cortisone cream. ( that is the strongest they make and it comes with a long list of side effects) Many nights peppermint oil rubbed on her feet or back has gotten her back to sleep with out drugs. Also I will never be with out Emu oil for her either. That stuff IS magical I think!!! <g> It reduces pain and itch and totally healed my oldest daughter's severe eczema on her hands! The kind that was open, bleeding, infected and horribly itchy.

We just started back to school and so of course that mean she has a cold and I started rubbing with her with a concoction that is supposed to be good for asthma ( which she also has) , bronchitis, getting rid of mucus and immune boosters.... and so far so good. :-) Lemon, thyme and rosemary REALLY seem to clear things out!!!

Well I could write a book here. :-) Her Ped and Endocrinologist refer to this stuff as voodoo medicine LOL

Even though I point out to them that IT WORKS and what the Drs have given her does NOT , and now it looks as though we just put the endo out of a job with all our voodoo as her thyroid tests had improved to the point that we could take her off those meds too, but right now, I would rather not rock this boat and just decided to let her grow out of the dose naturally. :-) ( with the drs approval btw) Funny thing is they just don't want to give ANY credit to what I am doing with her as being that helpful. Funny eh???? ;-)

So that's my story in a nutshell.. starting to work on my problems now as I am entering the menopause phase and experiencing some of the typical symptoms and really just don't have time to be tired and not feeling well ;-)

Also trying to help my oldest dd with the migraines she is suddenly getting. She has one year old twins and they have just started up the past 3-4 months. I think her cycles are getting back in motion and the hormone levels are triggering them.

I will stop now. :-) Like I said, could write a book on the stuff going on here. I have gotten quite the education over the past four years, that's for sure! and still learning.

Carol in IL doihavtasay@...Mom to 7 blessings including , 3 with DS and Grandma to Micah and Jonah.

" My problem isn't how I look, is how you see me." "Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain." Psalm 127