Tami/ Liver life question

May 18, 2006

Tami,

where do you buy the liver life and is it capsule sor drops?

Thanks,

Re: Antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast WHAT IF?

I think one big connection to the yeast and our kids is liver dysfunction. Since the liver is the center of detox in the body and affects every function in the body, and since our kids are heavy metal toxic which causes liver dysfunction, I think it's something to really look at. From what I've been hearing from parents who are restoring liver functions with Liver Life, I think yeast/gut issues have so much to do with the liver. The Liver Life restores pH, drains acids, decongests the kidneys and liver, normalizes liver enzymes, rejuvenates the liver restoring it's functions. The liver filters out 99% of yeast and bacteria that enter the blood through the gut. If your kidneys and liver are congested, they will not drain acids efficiently. Acids build up in our tissues. (Acids are toxins like heavy metals, chemicals, pesticides, yeast, bacteria.) An acidic environment is a breeding ground for yeast, bacteria, parasites. Viruses and metals are also acid forming. Other factors of course include our diets. Here is two good lists of alkaline forming foods vs acid forming foods. For someone trying to restore their body's alkaline state, it's really helpful to eat more alkaline forming foods. Lemons and watermelons being the best. (if tolerated, of course) One little girl who had a really bad yeast infection got immediate relief by adding in fresh squeezed lemon juice to her drinks. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/alkaline_foods.htmhttp://www.essense-of-life.com/info/foodchart.htmMy boss, Ray said in clinic, they noticed that virals usually exascerbates the yeast. And since virals are acid forming, that would make sense. I thought Gavin's liver was functioning fine. We never had any indications of liver dysfunction until I learned about urine pH. IF your urine pH is high it means that your body is not draining acids. We drain acids through our urine so the urine should be acidic, which helps our saliva pH become alkaline. Gavin's urine pH was an 8.0. An appropriate range is 5.8-6.2 for a healthy person and 5.5-5.8 for someone going through detox. His saliva pH was a 6.0. Healthy range is 6.8-7.2, 7.0 being perfect.OF course you could definitely still have liver dysfunction if the urine pH was in healthy range. The liver has over 500 functions and I don't know if we have a way to test for all those functions.Things we've noticed after addressing his liver with LL are: -able to discontinue many of his supps and decrease others -yeast and bacteria finally under control without the addition of 4-5 antifungals/antibacterials (alternating every 3-4 days)-went from knowing 19/100 of his fry words for 1st grade to 100/100 in just a few months-went up three reading levels-social skills through the roof (he had really good skills to start but is now just amazing!)-his teachers are amazed at his progress. Went from being really inconsistent to knowing how to do these things every day.( He knew how to count to 100 one day, not the next. Or knew how to spell words one day but not the next.)-calm, less explosive anger (he's still affected by seasonal allergies but much less severe)-was able to increase his dose of NDF Plus (mine too) without anxiety issues. Before LL, I had only tolerated 3-4 drops, now I can tolerate a full dropperful (26 drops).-better digestion and tolerance of foodsI am sure there are tons more that I have forgotten. Stan, I don't know if you remember when I asked you about the connection between MB12 and acids many months back. You had made a statement in a post that MB12 does not do well in an acidic environment and that's why some autistic kids do better with the nasal because the mucous in the nasal is much less acidic than the tissues. My son was able to discontinue all MB12 after draining the acids in his body and restoring his liver functions. (I don't think we are done. I think it's a process) Even oral MB12. I think restoring the liver will help these kids get better so much faster cause they could utilize the other things much more efficiently. It's amazing to not have to deal with yeasty behaviors every day. I am sure we may need to address it here and there, but it's amazing how much the liver works to battle yeast.My best,Tami WGavin's momBioRay customer supportfor the ASD communityBioRaynaturaldetox/> > > >> > > >> > > > 1: Zhongguo Zhong Yao Za Zhi. 1998 Mar;23(3):171-3,> > > >> > > > Antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast in vitro> > > >> > > > The antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast from yeast> > mud> > > > on 13> > > > kinds of viruses including DNA and RNA virus along with their> > mechanisms> > > > were> > > > studied. The result showed that this effect was remarkable on the> > > > infections> > > > with poliovirus III, adenovirus III, ECHO6 virus, enterovirus 71,> > > > vesicular> > > > stomatitis virus, herpesvirus I, II, coxsackie A16 virus and> > coxsackie> > > > B3 virus.> > > > The polysaccharides of brewer yeast could also inhibit the> > development> > > > of> > > > cytopathic effect(CPE) and protect cultural cells from being> > infected> > > > with the> > > > above viruses.> > > >> > > > PMID: 11596239 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]> > > >> > >> >>

May 18, 2006

Tami,

where do you buy the liver life and is it capsule sor drops?

Thanks,

Re: Antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast WHAT IF?

I think one big connection to the yeast and our kids is liver dysfunction. Since the liver is the center of detox in the body and affects every function in the body, and since our kids are heavy metal toxic which causes liver dysfunction, I think it's something to really look at. From what I've been hearing from parents who are restoring liver functions with Liver Life, I think yeast/gut issues have so much to do with the liver. The Liver Life restores pH, drains acids, decongests the kidneys and liver, normalizes liver enzymes, rejuvenates the liver restoring it's functions. The liver filters out 99% of yeast and bacteria that enter the blood through the gut. If your kidneys and liver are congested, they will not drain acids efficiently. Acids build up in our tissues. (Acids are toxins like heavy metals, chemicals, pesticides, yeast, bacteria.) An acidic environment is a breeding ground for yeast, bacteria, parasites. Viruses and metals are also acid forming. Other factors of course include our diets. Here is two good lists of alkaline forming foods vs acid forming foods. For someone trying to restore their body's alkaline state, it's really helpful to eat more alkaline forming foods. Lemons and watermelons being the best. (if tolerated, of course) One little girl who had a really bad yeast infection got immediate relief by adding in fresh squeezed lemon juice to her drinks. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/alkaline_foods.htmhttp://www.essense-of-life.com/info/foodchart.htmMy boss, Ray said in clinic, they noticed that virals usually exascerbates the yeast. And since virals are acid forming, that would make sense. I thought Gavin's liver was functioning fine. We never had any indications of liver dysfunction until I learned about urine pH. IF your urine pH is high it means that your body is not draining acids. We drain acids through our urine so the urine should be acidic, which helps our saliva pH become alkaline. Gavin's urine pH was an 8.0. An appropriate range is 5.8-6.2 for a healthy person and 5.5-5.8 for someone going through detox. His saliva pH was a 6.0. Healthy range is 6.8-7.2, 7.0 being perfect.OF course you could definitely still have liver dysfunction if the urine pH was in healthy range. The liver has over 500 functions and I don't know if we have a way to test for all those functions.Things we've noticed after addressing his liver with LL are: -able to discontinue many of his supps and decrease others -yeast and bacteria finally under control without the addition of 4-5 antifungals/antibacterials (alternating every 3-4 days)-went from knowing 19/100 of his fry words for 1st grade to 100/100 in just a few months-went up three reading levels-social skills through the roof (he had really good skills to start but is now just amazing!)-his teachers are amazed at his progress. Went from being really inconsistent to knowing how to do these things every day.( He knew how to count to 100 one day, not the next. Or knew how to spell words one day but not the next.)-calm, less explosive anger (he's still affected by seasonal allergies but much less severe)-was able to increase his dose of NDF Plus (mine too) without anxiety issues. Before LL, I had only tolerated 3-4 drops, now I can tolerate a full dropperful (26 drops).-better digestion and tolerance of foodsI am sure there are tons more that I have forgotten. Stan, I don't know if you remember when I asked you about the connection between MB12 and acids many months back. You had made a statement in a post that MB12 does not do well in an acidic environment and that's why some autistic kids do better with the nasal because the mucous in the nasal is much less acidic than the tissues. My son was able to discontinue all MB12 after draining the acids in his body and restoring his liver functions. (I don't think we are done. I think it's a process) Even oral MB12. I think restoring the liver will help these kids get better so much faster cause they could utilize the other things much more efficiently. It's amazing to not have to deal with yeasty behaviors every day. I am sure we may need to address it here and there, but it's amazing how much the liver works to battle yeast.My best,Tami WGavin's momBioRay customer supportfor the ASD communityBioRaynaturaldetox/> > > >> > > >> > > > 1: Zhongguo Zhong Yao Za Zhi. 1998 Mar;23(3):171-3,> > > >> > > > Antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast in vitro> > > >> > > > The antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast from yeast> > mud> > > > on 13> > > > kinds of viruses including DNA and RNA virus along with their> > mechanisms> > > > were> > > > studied. The result showed that this effect was remarkable on the> > > > infections> > > > with poliovirus III, adenovirus III, ECHO6 virus, enterovirus 71,> > > > vesicular> > > > stomatitis virus, herpesvirus I, II, coxsackie A16 virus and> > coxsackie> > > > B3 virus.> > > > The polysaccharides of brewer yeast could also inhibit the> > development> > > > of> > > > cytopathic effect(CPE) and protect cultural cells from being> > infected> > > > with the> > > > above viruses.> > > >> > > > PMID: 11596239 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]> > > >> > >> >>

May 18, 2006

Hi ,

The best price I know of is at

http://www.thenaturalhealthadvocates.shoppingcartsplus.com/home.html

www.healingedge.net actually has LL two bucks cheaper, but the

shipping is more so the health advocates are still the least

expensive.

It's a liquid tincture. If you go to the BioRay board, you

can read more about it. Check out the files for the dosing

instructions.

BioRaynaturaldetox/

Are you doing the Valtrex ? If you are can you report what

you see once you are on both Valtrex and LL? There is a mom who has

had amazing results with her child using both. Her son hasn't

experienced a huge regression with the Valtrex. Her son's

experience is why I am so interested in the Valtrex. Many of his

issues are similar to what my son struggled with.

My best,

Tami W

> > > > >

> > > > > 1: Zhongguo Zhong Yao Za Zhi. 1998 Mar;23(3):171-3,

> > > > >

> > > > > Antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast in

vitro

> > > > >

> > > > > The antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast

from

> yeast

> > > mud

> > > > > on 13

> > > > > kinds of viruses including DNA and RNA virus along with

their

> > > mechanisms

> > > > > were

> > > > > studied. The result showed that this effect was

remarkable

> on the

> > > > > infections

> > > > > with poliovirus III, adenovirus III, ECHO6 virus,

> enterovirus 71,

> > > > > vesicular

> > > > > stomatitis virus, herpesvirus I, II, coxsackie A16 virus

and

> > > coxsackie

> > > > > B3 virus.

> > > > > The polysaccharides of brewer yeast could also inhibit

the

> > > development

> > > > > of

> > > > > cytopathic effect(CPE) and protect cultural cells from

being

> > > infected

> > > > > with the

> > > > > above viruses.

> > > > >

> > > > > PMID: 11596239 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 18, 2006

Hi Tami,

What are the issues your son has... and this person who did well on Valtrex?

- Stan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1: Zhongguo Zhong Yao Za Zhi. 1998 Mar;23(3):171-3,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast in

> vitro

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast

> from

> > yeast

> > > > mud

> > > > > > on 13

> > > > > > kinds of viruses including DNA and RNA virus along with

> their

> > > > mechanisms

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > studied. The result showed that this effect was

> remarkable

> > on the

> > > > > > infections

> > > > > > with poliovirus III, adenovirus III, ECHO6 virus,

> > enterovirus 71,

> > > > > > vesicular

> > > > > > stomatitis virus, herpesvirus I, II, coxsackie A16 virus

> and

> > > > coxsackie

> > > > > > B3 virus.

> > > > > > The polysaccharides of brewer yeast could also inhibit

> the

> > > > development

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > cytopathic effect(CPE) and protect cultural cells from

> being

> > > > infected

> > > > > > with the

> > > > > > above viruses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PMID: 11596239 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

May 18, 2006

Hi Tami,

thanks for the information. No we haven't started the Valtrex yet. I've been on this list for a long time reading along but until now our DAN! would not prescribe it. We've switched DAN! drs and have a phone consult coming up in a couple of weeks and it was agreed that if all is going well that Valtrex is next. I've been using milk thistle as liver support up until now and was intrigued by what you were saying about liver life. I certainly need to use it myself. We've had great response to LDN though and I'm sure we have viral issues that need to be addressed. I will get the Liver Life and start that first then will add in the Valtrex and keep you posted.

all the best,

Re: Tami/ Liver life question

Hi ,The best price I know of is at http://www.thenaturalhealthadvocates.shoppingcartsplus.com/home.htmlwww.healingedge.net actually has LL two bucks cheaper, but the shipping is more so the health advocates are still the least expensive.It's a liquid tincture. If you go to the BioRay board, you can read more about it. Check out the files for the dosing instructions. BioRaynaturaldetox/Are you doing the Valtrex ? If you are can you report what you see once you are on both Valtrex and LL? There is a mom who has had amazing results with her child using both. Her son hasn't experienced a huge regression with the Valtrex. Her son's experience is why I am so interested in the Valtrex. Many of his issues are similar to what my son struggled with. My best,Tami W> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 1: Zhongguo Zhong Yao Za Zhi. 1998 Mar;23(3):171-3,> > > > >> > > > > Antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast in vitro> > > > >> > > > > The antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast from > yeast> > > mud> > > > > on 13> > > > > kinds of viruses including DNA and RNA virus along with their> > > mechanisms> > > > > were> > > > > studied. The result showed that this effect was remarkable > on the> > > > > infections> > > > > with poliovirus III, adenovirus III, ECHO6 virus, > enterovirus 71,> > > > > vesicular> > > > > stomatitis virus, herpesvirus I, II, coxsackie A16 virus and> > > coxsackie> > > > > B3 virus.> > > > > The polysaccharides of brewer yeast could also inhibit the> > > development> > > > > of> > > > > cytopathic effect(CPE) and protect cultural cells from being> > > infected> > > > > with the> > > > > above viruses.> > > > >> > > > > PMID: 11596239 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >

May 18, 2006

My son is very close to recovery, it's driving me nuts. I do believe

if he got rediagnosed right now, he'd lose his label. Though that

doesn't mean he doesn't still have issues. I am very thankful (I

thank God daily for where my son is right now) but it's like we are

running around in circles looking for the final piece. In school,

he's doing amazing. He does good socially and has many friends but

is still immature for his age though gaining some seriously good

ground since LL. He's on a regular T-ball team and is doing well.

Though tonight he got mad cause another kid got to the ball before

him. He talks well but lately likes to spell " poop " or " pee " a lot

to make himself laugh. That is getting old, real quick, let me tell

ya. LOL But then again, I am thankful that he can spell both those

words (and tons of others). 9 months ago, this wasn't something he

could do, much less wanted to do.

My son's gut is not healed. It was much better until we added in

the LDN. Then it became a mess. After adding in Liver Life, it got

so much better and I dare say...functioned so normal but

then....stupid me...wondered if he needed LDN anymore. He had been

able to take away so many other things that I thought it would be a

good time to try taking the LDN away. He had been on LDN for over

six months, but not at full dose. This was about three months

ago. I took it away and within a week felt him slipping in

skills. His gut became a mess again. He was having potty

accidents, weird stools and definite constipation so I added LDN

back in. I feel like I am stuck. If I take the LDN away, his gut

gets worse and he regresses. IF I raise the LDN to full dose, his

gut gets worse, it's painful and he's a nightmare to be around. But

I read that until you get to full dose, it may not switch from Th2

back to Th1.

The only thing I feel like I haven't addressed are the virals. We've

been doing biomed for over 6 years (GFCF with enzymes, secretin,

chelation with DMSA, TD DMPS, NDF Plus, NDF, LDN, vitamins,

minerals, MB12 shots for a year, Liver Life...and more) and I had

always heard that once the metals were gone, the virals will

be " released. " Well that's not happening with my son. I can't

imagine why he would react so severely to raising the dose of LDN

(cold sores, bloated tummy, constipation, orange chunky poops, pain)

if the virals weren't such a burden for him. I am definitely

nervous to try Valtrex, but I think it's something that just makes

sense as we peel his onion of issues and see what's left. OH and we

are doing HBOT at Miracle MOuntain in June, so maybe that will help

the viral/gut issues too.

My friends son is nonverbal but talks more and more each day. He

was held back in first grade (same as Gavin) but is doing so well

now that he's skipping to the 3rd grade. Her son's doing some

serious rapid recovery in all areas including the gut. IT's amazing

to hear her son's story. She posts here so I don't want to be the

one to tell it all. It seems like his only issue now is getting his

words out much more consistently. I wonder if the only thing that

he needs is time for that to happen. It's very exciting.

MY best,

TamiW

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1: Zhongguo Zhong Yao Za Zhi. 1998 Mar;23(3):171-3,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast

in

> > vitro

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer

yeast

> > from

> > > yeast

> > > > > mud

> > > > > > > on 13

> > > > > > > kinds of viruses including DNA and RNA virus along

with

> > their

> > > > > mechanisms

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > studied. The result showed that this effect was

> > remarkable

> > > on the

> > > > > > > infections

> > > > > > > with poliovirus III, adenovirus III, ECHO6 virus,

> > > enterovirus 71,

> > > > > > > vesicular

> > > > > > > stomatitis virus, herpesvirus I, II, coxsackie A16

virus

> > and

> > > > > coxsackie

> > > > > > > B3 virus.

> > > > > > > The polysaccharides of brewer yeast could also

inhibit

> > the

> > > > > development

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > cytopathic effect(CPE) and protect cultural cells

from

> > being

> > > > > infected

> > > > > > > with the

> > > > > > > above viruses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PMID: 11596239 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

May 19, 2006

Tami,

I've read some of your posts regarding Liver Life and it's use for kids with a high (alkaline) pH. I was wondering what you thought about kids that had a lower urine pH? My son's first morning pH is on the low side (around 5.5-6). At first, I thought this was really bad, since it showed that his body was too acidic. But after doing a lot of reading, I'm now thinking that it's a good sign, that his body is eliminating the harmful acids and therefore showing an acidic urine. However, we are chelating him and using antivirals, so I know his liver is working really hard. Right now, we are using Milk Thistle only during a chelation round. What is your recommendation about LL for a child like mine?

Thanks,

Sheryl

May 19, 2006

Tami,

Your missing piece is probably the anti-virals. We are going to

start Valtrex and Difflucan in the next few weeks. I am already

preparing myself for some healing regressions. If your concerned

about the regression, wait until school is out.

Praying you find all your pieces!

---- Original Message ----

From: wtwilken@...

mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Tami/ Liver life question

Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 04:20:18 -0000

><html><body>

>

>My son is very close to recovery, it's driving me nuts. I do believe

>

>if he got rediagnosed right now, he'd lose his label. Though

>that

>doesn't mean he doesn't still have issues. I am very thankful (I

>thank God daily for where my son is right now) but it's like we are

>

>running around in circles looking for the final piece. In

>school,

>he's doing amazing. He does good socially and has many friends

>but

>is still immature for his age though gaining some seriously good

>ground since LL. He's on a regular T-ball team and is doing

>well.

>Though tonight he got mad cause another kid got to the ball before

>

>him. He talks well but lately likes to spell " poop " or

> " pee " a lot

>to make himself laugh. That is getting old, real quick, let me

>tell

>ya. LOL But then again, I am thankful that he can spell

>both those

>words (and tons of others). 9 months ago, this wasn't

>something he

>could do, much less wanted to do.

>

>My son's gut is not healed. It was much better until we added

>in

>the LDN. Then it became a mess. After adding in Liver

>Life, it got

>so much better and I dare say...functioned so normal but

>then....stupid me...wondered if he needed LDN anymore. He had

>been

>able to take away so many other things that I thought it would be a

>

>good time to try taking the LDN away. He had been on LDN for

>over

>six months, but not at full dose. This was about three months

>

>ago. I took it away and within a week felt him slipping

>in

>skills. His gut became a mess again. He was having potty

>

>accidents, weird stools and definite constipation so I added LDN

>back in. I feel like I am stuck. If I take the LDN

>away, his gut

>gets worse and he regresses. IF I raise the LDN to full dose,

>his

>gut gets worse, it's painful and he's a nightmare to be around.

>But

>I read that until you get to full dose, it may not switch from Th2

>

>back to Th1.

>

>The only thing I feel like I haven't addressed are the virals. We've

>

>been doing biomed for over 6 years (GFCF with enzymes, secretin,

>chelation with DMSA, TD DMPS, NDF Plus, NDF, LDN, vitamins,

>minerals, MB12 shots for a year, Liver Life...and more) and I had

>

>always heard that once the metals were gone, the virals will

>be " released. " Well that's not happening with my

>son. I can't

>imagine why he would react so severely to raising the dose of LDN

>

>(cold sores, bloated tummy, constipation, orange chunky poops, pain)

>

>if the virals weren't such a burden for him. I am definitely

>

>nervous to try Valtrex, but I think it's something that just makes

>

>sense as we peel his onion of issues and see what's left. OH

>and we

>are doing HBOT at Miracle MOuntain in June, so maybe that will help

>

>the viral/gut issues too.

>

>My friends son is nonverbal but talks more and more each day.

>He

>was held back in first grade (same as Gavin) but is doing so well

>

>now that he's skipping to the 3rd grade. Her son's doing some

>serious rapid recovery in all areas including the gut. IT's

>amazing

>to hear her son's story. She posts here so I don't want to be

>the

>one to tell it all. It seems like his only issue now is getting

>his

>words out much more consistently. I wonder if the only thing

>that

>he needs is time for that to happen. It's very exciting.

>

>MY best,

>TamiW

>

>

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > 1: Zhongguo Zhong Yao

>Za Zhi. 1998 Mar;23(3):171-3,

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > Antivirus effect of

>polysaccharides of brewer yeast

>in

>> > vitro

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > The antivirus effect

>of polysaccharides of brewer

>yeast

>> > from

>> > > yeast

>> > > > > mud

>> > > > > > > on 13

>> > > > > > > kinds of viruses

>including DNA and RNA virus along

>with

>> > their

>> > > > > mechanisms

>> > > > > > > were

>> > > > > > > studied. The result

>showed that this effect was

>> > remarkable

>> > > on the

>> > > > > > > infections

>> > > > > > > with poliovirus III,

>adenovirus III, ECHO6 virus,

>> > > enterovirus 71,

>> > > > > > > vesicular

>> > > > > > > stomatitis virus,

>herpesvirus I, II, coxsackie A16

>virus

>> > and

>> > > > > coxsackie

>> > > > > > > B3 virus.

>> > > > > > > The polysaccharides of

>brewer yeast could also

>inhibit

>> > the

>> > > > > development

>> > > > > > > of

>> > > > > > > cytopathic effect(CPE)

>and protect cultural cells

>from

>> > being

>> > > > > infected

>> > > > > > > with the

>> > > > > > > above viruses.

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > PMID: 11596239 [PubMed

>- indexed for MEDLINE]

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > >

>> > >

>> > >

May 19, 2006

Tami,

Your missing piece is probably the anti-virals. We are going to

start Valtrex and Difflucan in the next few weeks. I am already

preparing myself for some healing regressions. If your concerned

about the regression, wait until school is out.

Praying you find all your pieces!

---- Original Message ----

From: wtwilken@...

mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Tami/ Liver life question

Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 04:20:18 -0000

><html><body>

>

>My son is very close to recovery, it's driving me nuts. I do believe

>

>if he got rediagnosed right now, he'd lose his label. Though

>that

>doesn't mean he doesn't still have issues. I am very thankful (I

>thank God daily for where my son is right now) but it's like we are

>

>running around in circles looking for the final piece. In

>school,

>he's doing amazing. He does good socially and has many friends

>but

>is still immature for his age though gaining some seriously good

>ground since LL. He's on a regular T-ball team and is doing

>well.

>Though tonight he got mad cause another kid got to the ball before

>

>him. He talks well but lately likes to spell " poop " or

> " pee " a lot

>to make himself laugh. That is getting old, real quick, let me

>tell

>ya. LOL But then again, I am thankful that he can spell

>both those

>words (and tons of others). 9 months ago, this wasn't

>something he

>could do, much less wanted to do.

>

>My son's gut is not healed. It was much better until we added

>in

>the LDN. Then it became a mess. After adding in Liver

>Life, it got

>so much better and I dare say...functioned so normal but

>then....stupid me...wondered if he needed LDN anymore. He had

>been

>able to take away so many other things that I thought it would be a

>

>good time to try taking the LDN away. He had been on LDN for

>over

>six months, but not at full dose. This was about three months

>

>ago. I took it away and within a week felt him slipping

>in

>skills. His gut became a mess again. He was having potty

>

>accidents, weird stools and definite constipation so I added LDN

>back in. I feel like I am stuck. If I take the LDN

>away, his gut

>gets worse and he regresses. IF I raise the LDN to full dose,

>his

>gut gets worse, it's painful and he's a nightmare to be around.

>But

>I read that until you get to full dose, it may not switch from Th2

>

>back to Th1.

>

>The only thing I feel like I haven't addressed are the virals. We've

>

>been doing biomed for over 6 years (GFCF with enzymes, secretin,

>chelation with DMSA, TD DMPS, NDF Plus, NDF, LDN, vitamins,

>minerals, MB12 shots for a year, Liver Life...and more) and I had

>

>always heard that once the metals were gone, the virals will

>be " released. " Well that's not happening with my

>son. I can't

>imagine why he would react so severely to raising the dose of LDN

>

>(cold sores, bloated tummy, constipation, orange chunky poops, pain)

>

>if the virals weren't such a burden for him. I am definitely

>

>nervous to try Valtrex, but I think it's something that just makes

>

>sense as we peel his onion of issues and see what's left. OH

>and we

>are doing HBOT at Miracle MOuntain in June, so maybe that will help

>

>the viral/gut issues too.

>

>My friends son is nonverbal but talks more and more each day.

>He

>was held back in first grade (same as Gavin) but is doing so well

>

>now that he's skipping to the 3rd grade. Her son's doing some

>serious rapid recovery in all areas including the gut. IT's

>amazing

>to hear her son's story. She posts here so I don't want to be

>the

>one to tell it all. It seems like his only issue now is getting

>his

>words out much more consistently. I wonder if the only thing

>that

>he needs is time for that to happen. It's very exciting.

>

>MY best,

>TamiW

>

>

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > 1: Zhongguo Zhong Yao

>Za Zhi. 1998 Mar;23(3):171-3,

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > Antivirus effect of

>polysaccharides of brewer yeast

>in

>> > vitro

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > The antivirus effect

>of polysaccharides of brewer

>yeast

>> > from

>> > > yeast

>> > > > > mud

>> > > > > > > on 13

>> > > > > > > kinds of viruses

>including DNA and RNA virus along

>with

>> > their

>> > > > > mechanisms

>> > > > > > > were

>> > > > > > > studied. The result

>showed that this effect was

>> > remarkable

>> > > on the

>> > > > > > > infections

>> > > > > > > with poliovirus III,

>adenovirus III, ECHO6 virus,

>> > > enterovirus 71,

>> > > > > > > vesicular

>> > > > > > > stomatitis virus,

>herpesvirus I, II, coxsackie A16

>virus

>> > and

>> > > > > coxsackie

>> > > > > > > B3 virus.

>> > > > > > > The polysaccharides of

>brewer yeast could also

>inhibit

>> > the

>> > > > > development

>> > > > > > > of

>> > > > > > > cytopathic effect(CPE)

>and protect cultural cells

>from

>> > being

>> > > > > infected

>> > > > > > > with the

>> > > > > > > above viruses.

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > PMID: 11596239 [PubMed

>- indexed for MEDLINE]

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > >

>> > >

>> > >

May 19, 2006

Hi Sheryl,

Your son's urine pH seems to be near perfect range. That's great. I

would be curious to know if the saliva is in range too.

From what we've been hearing from parents, the LL has been effective

for the kids with perfect urine/saliva pH's too. It was thought in

the beginning, that the only kids who would benefit from LL would be

the ones who didn't drain acids. Now we know that that's not true.

REgulating the pH is only one part of what the LL does. It also

restores liver functions by normalizing enzymes, rejuvenating the

tissues, draining acids.

If you go to the BioRay group and look in the files, there is a LL

protocol. I'd follow that. It was designed for kids with ASD in

mind.

Hope this helps,

Tami W

>

> Tami,

>

> I've read some of your posts regarding Liver Life and it's use for

kids with a high (alkaline) pH. I was wondering what you thought

about kids that had a lower urine pH? My son's first morning pH is

on the low side (around 5.5-6). At first, I thought this was really

bad, since it showed that his body was too acidic. But after doing

a lot of reading, I'm now thinking that it's a good sign, that his

body is eliminating the harmful acids and therefore showing an

acidic urine. However, we are chelating him and using antivirals,

so I know his liver is working really hard. Right now, we are using

Milk Thistle only during a chelation round. What is your

recommendation about LL for a child like mine?

>

> Thanks,

> Sheryl

>

May 19, 2006

Hi Tami,

Here is where my mind focus the most about your post. The cold sore. Quite

telling if you

ask me. This, hypothetically, might be a good reason to use LDN and Valtrex

together. If

you have a cold sore, you really do have a viral issue going on IMO, so just

using an

immune modulator to try to cure a persistent virus... to me is a bit like

closing the barn

door after the cows left... sort of. I think LDN seems to be working for you,

but at the

same time this viral load is challenging and substantial. Why not put some

Valrex on

board and then raise the levels of LDN.

I'm just talking out loud here, but if you remove the viruses capacity to

replicate and the

tune the immune system with LDN, the virus, possibly, won't have a place to run.

Forgive me for speaking in general terms like that, but that's my opinion.

Of course, don't forget an antifungal prior to starting antiviral therapy.

- Stan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1: Zhongguo Zhong Yao Za Zhi. 1998 Mar;23(3):171-3,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer yeast

> in

> > > vitro

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer

> yeast

> > > from

> > > > yeast

> > > > > > mud

> > > > > > > > on 13

> > > > > > > > kinds of viruses including DNA and RNA virus along

> with

> > > their

> > > > > > mechanisms

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > studied. The result showed that this effect was

> > > remarkable

> > > > on the

> > > > > > > > infections

> > > > > > > > with poliovirus III, adenovirus III, ECHO6 virus,

> > > > enterovirus 71,

> > > > > > > > vesicular

> > > > > > > > stomatitis virus, herpesvirus I, II, coxsackie A16

> virus

> > > and

> > > > > > coxsackie

> > > > > > > > B3 virus.

> > > > > > > > The polysaccharides of brewer yeast could also

> inhibit

> > > the

> > > > > > development

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > cytopathic effect(CPE) and protect cultural cells

> from

> > > being

> > > > > > infected

> > > > > > > > with the

> > > > > > > > above viruses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PMID: 11596239 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

May 19, 2006

Hi Sheryl,

So the obvious question is, how can you tell if your child's gut is actually

acidic or not? I

thought urine was a good indicator.

My belief was that our kids, especially with gut problems are more likely

acidic. I know

that was the case with me. I also would show sign of liver issues when my gut

was the

worst (and if I was on the heavier side of my average weight).

There is also a set of folks who believe that acid is the CAUSE of many chronic

illnesses.

- Stan

>

> Tami,

>

> I've read some of your posts regarding Liver Life and it's use for kids with a

high

(alkaline) pH. I was wondering what you thought about kids that had a lower

urine pH?

My son's first morning pH is on the low side (around 5.5-6). At first, I

thought this was

really bad, since it showed that his body was too acidic. But after doing a lot

of reading,

I'm now thinking that it's a good sign, that his body is eliminating the harmful

acids and

therefore showing an acidic urine. However, we are chelating him and using

antivirals, so I

know his liver is working really hard. Right now, we are using Milk Thistle

only during a

chelation round. What is your recommendation about LL for a child like mine?

>

> Thanks,

> Sheryl

>

May 19, 2006

Hi Sheryl,

So the obvious question is, how can you tell if your child's gut is actually

acidic or not? I

thought urine was a good indicator.

My belief was that our kids, especially with gut problems are more likely

acidic. I know

that was the case with me. I also would show sign of liver issues when my gut

was the

worst (and if I was on the heavier side of my average weight).

There is also a set of folks who believe that acid is the CAUSE of many chronic

illnesses.

- Stan

>

> Tami,

>

> I've read some of your posts regarding Liver Life and it's use for kids with a

high

(alkaline) pH. I was wondering what you thought about kids that had a lower

urine pH?

My son's first morning pH is on the low side (around 5.5-6). At first, I

thought this was

really bad, since it showed that his body was too acidic. But after doing a lot

of reading,

I'm now thinking that it's a good sign, that his body is eliminating the harmful

acids and

therefore showing an acidic urine. However, we are chelating him and using

antivirals, so I

know his liver is working really hard. Right now, we are using Milk Thistle

only during a

chelation round. What is your recommendation about LL for a child like mine?

>

> Thanks,

> Sheryl

>

May 19, 2006

Hi Stan,

That's funny you said that cause I can't stop thinking about the

coldsores. What's interesting is he's never had one until we

started the LDN. THen the week we tried to increase his dose to

full dose, he got them all over his mouth and even on his tongue.

It was so alarming to see. As soon as Colleen started sharing the

info about her son on Valtrex, I got that feeling you get when you

finally " get something " you've been struggling with for so long. If

my son's doc had agreed to it, we'd be on it already. But that's

another story...

You said:

" I think LDN seems to be working for you, but at the

same time this viral load is challenging and substantial. Why not

put some Valrex on board and then raise the levels of LDN. "

I think that sounds like a really good idea. I've been wondering if

I should do that during HBOT since it's supposed to help with virals

as well. I meant to add in the Valtrex about a month before but the

darn Valtrex is not here yet so I can't.

You said:

" if you remove the viruses capacity to replicate and the

tune the immune system with LDN, the virus, possibly, won't have a

place to run. "

Yeah, that's really sounding like a good approach.

You said:

" Forgive me for speaking in general terms like that, but that's my

opinion. "

Oh, by all means speak in general terms. My brain is convulsing

right now with all the stuff I've learned over the last 9 months.

Simple explanations or theories are much appreciated. LOL

The only antifungal I have at my disposal is nystatin and naturals.

I am hoping with the Liver life in place, it will be enough. I'll

be whining like a big baby if it's not. LOL

Thanks for your insight. It's much appreciated.

Tami W

Gavin's mom

>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1: Zhongguo Zhong Yao Za Zhi. 1998 Mar;23(3):171-

3,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Antivirus effect of polysaccharides of brewer

yeast

> > in

> > > > vitro

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The antivirus effect of polysaccharides of

brewer

> > yeast

> > > > from

> > > > > yeast

> > > > > > > mud

> > > > > > > > > on 13

> > > > > > > > > kinds of viruses including DNA and RNA virus

along

> > with

> > > > their

> > > > > > > mechanisms

> > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > studied. The result showed that this effect was

> > > > remarkable

> > > > > on the

> > > > > > > > > infections

> > > > > > > > > with poliovirus III, adenovirus III, ECHO6

virus,

> > > > > enterovirus 71,

> > > > > > > > > vesicular

> > > > > > > > > stomatitis virus, herpesvirus I, II, coxsackie

A16

> > virus

> > > > and

> > > > > > > coxsackie

> > > > > > > > > B3 virus.

> > > > > > > > > The polysaccharides of brewer yeast could also

> > inhibit

> > > > the

> > > > > > > development

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > cytopathic effect(CPE) and protect cultural

cells

> > from

> > > > being

> > > > > > > infected

> > > > > > > > > with the

> > > > > > > > > above viruses.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > PMID: 11596239 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

May 21, 2006

Williss/files/

Autism - Mercury Induced Pellagra.doc

.....Not often discussed is mercury's affect on tryptophan metabolism

(and how this may relate to mental illness and autism) and the affect

it may exert on Iodine metabolism. It is this second factor, iodine

metabolism, that could have a key role in the development of autism...

....Tryptophan

There is evidence that tryptophan chelates inorganic mercury in the

brain. Tryptophan is used to produce serotonin - a neurotransmitter.

It is also involved in the production of Niacin (vitamin B3)....Niacin

deficiency has a direct affect on stomach acid - it becomes less

acidic and digestion (especially of meat) is compromised. Depending on

the degree of loss of acidity, the affected individual can show signs

of protein deficiency. .....When Tryptophan resources are being

dedicated to mercury chelation, an individual can suffer the effects

of a " functional deficiency " of both serotonin and Niacin. This can

cause neurotransmitter imbalances (causing a functional excess of

dopamine) and the following symptoms associated with pellagra: nausea,

loss of appetite, diarrhea, deficient stomach acid, tongue and mouth

may become inflamed, fatigue, insomnia, apathy, encephalopathy,

disorientation, confusion, hallucinations, amnesia, and

manic-depressive psychosis. Autism, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder,

and mania are also associated with excess dopamine activity, and are

characterized by symptoms similar to pellagra. ......Once the

digestive tract is affected, the infant is at risk for developing a

chronic malabsorption syndrome and malnutrition that affects all

systems in the body including reproduction, detoxification, immunity,

glucose metabolism, and hormonal systems. He may suffer chronic

infection with vaccine-origin pathogens. He may not be able to

detoxify. He may suffer hormonal disorders. He may not grow well, and

later in life, he may suffer infertility. ....etc....

marilina

> >

> > Tami,

> >

> > I've read some of your posts regarding Liver Life and it's use for

kids with a high

> (alkaline) pH. I was wondering what you thought about kids that had

a lower urine pH?

> My son's first morning pH is on the low side (around 5.5-6). At

first, I thought this was

> really bad, since it showed that his body was too acidic. But after

doing a lot of reading,

> I'm now thinking that it's a good sign, that his body is eliminating

the harmful acids and

> therefore showing an acidic urine. However, we are chelating him

and using antivirals, so I

> know his liver is working really hard. Right now, we are using Milk

Thistle only during a

> chelation round. What is your recommendation about LL for a child

like mine?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Sheryl

> >

>

May 21, 2006