Re: Diflucan die off (?) how long

[Guest guest]

Some families report die offs as long as a week, sometimes more.

I would try the antifungals at night and the activated charcoal in the morning.

The

morning is when you'll have the most built up dead bacteria IMO. That seems to

work the

best.

How's his tongue look? At first it commonly looks more white over the first day

or two and

then it starts looking better. Fungal die off can make you feel sick... like a

cold or like

having the flu.

You may want to reduce the dosage (maybe by half) for a little while and then

work your

way up, but personally I wouldn't just stop at this point.... It sounds like

your doing some

good.

Just my opinion.

Typically if it's not working, you don't see anything from Diflucan or any

antifungal.

- Stan

>

> My 8 year old 70 lb son has been on 100 mg of Diflucan for 5 days

> now. Almost immediately he started looking bad on it. I waited, and

> thinking it was die-off gave charcoal with magnesium citrate one

> night. He was marginally better the next day but not by much. Stools

> have been varying as per his usual pattern so if there is a change I

> can't see it. The other thing that came up was a swollen bottom lip

> that hurts with anything citrus (such as effervescent Creatine)

> which he was doing fine with earlier.

>

> My question is, does this look like an allergic reaction or should I

> wait it out longer to see if he improves. He has had yeast on a

> stool test forever, though a clean OAT recently. I hope he isn't

> having a side-effect from the Diflucan, he is looking much worse on

> it than when he was off it. I know I should stop and see what

> happens but I don't want to stop too soon if its something that

> needs to be pushed through. Any thoughts on how a die-off if its

> that should last? Shouldn't I expect to see good things even in a

> die-off stage? He is looking very off and has slowed down overall.

>

> Thanks

> Gayatri

>

[Guest guest]

Some families report die offs as long as a week, sometimes more.

I would try the antifungals at night and the activated charcoal in the morning.

The

morning is when you'll have the most built up dead bacteria IMO. That seems to

work the

best.

How's his tongue look? At first it commonly looks more white over the first day

or two and

then it starts looking better. Fungal die off can make you feel sick... like a

cold or like

having the flu.

You may want to reduce the dosage (maybe by half) for a little while and then

work your

way up, but personally I wouldn't just stop at this point.... It sounds like

your doing some

good.

Just my opinion.

Typically if it's not working, you don't see anything from Diflucan or any

antifungal.

- Stan

>

> My 8 year old 70 lb son has been on 100 mg of Diflucan for 5 days

> now. Almost immediately he started looking bad on it. I waited, and

> thinking it was die-off gave charcoal with magnesium citrate one

> night. He was marginally better the next day but not by much. Stools

> have been varying as per his usual pattern so if there is a change I

> can't see it. The other thing that came up was a swollen bottom lip

> that hurts with anything citrus (such as effervescent Creatine)

> which he was doing fine with earlier.

>

> My question is, does this look like an allergic reaction or should I

> wait it out longer to see if he improves. He has had yeast on a

> stool test forever, though a clean OAT recently. I hope he isn't

> having a side-effect from the Diflucan, he is looking much worse on

> it than when he was off it. I know I should stop and see what

> happens but I don't want to stop too soon if its something that

> needs to be pushed through. Any thoughts on how a die-off if its

> that should last? Shouldn't I expect to see good things even in a

> die-off stage? He is looking very off and has slowed down overall.

>

> Thanks

> Gayatri

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Stan, I appreciate your input. The tongue seems okay in

the last couple of days or so, I didn't think to look before (should

have but it slipped my mind). Giving activated charcoal first thing

in the morning is a good idea, I can easily do that, thanks. I'll

see how he does in the next couple of days and then see about

halving the dose if required.

Much grateful for the support, yes we are seeing something. When you

see bad stuff the brain freezes in panic and its hard to see the

good. At least for me.

Gayatri

> >

> > My 8 year old 70 lb son has been on 100 mg of Diflucan for 5

days

> > now. Almost immediately he started looking bad on it. I waited,

and

> > thinking it was die-off gave charcoal with magnesium citrate one

> > night. He was marginally better the next day but not by much.

Stools

> > have been varying as per his usual pattern so if there is a

change I

> > can't see it. The other thing that came up was a swollen bottom

lip

> > that hurts with anything citrus (such as effervescent Creatine)

> > which he was doing fine with earlier.

> >

> > My question is, does this look like an allergic reaction or

should I

> > wait it out longer to see if he improves. He has had yeast on a

> > stool test forever, though a clean OAT recently. I hope he isn't

> > having a side-effect from the Diflucan, he is looking much worse

on

> > it than when he was off it. I know I should stop and see what

> > happens but I don't want to stop too soon if its something that

> > needs to be pushed through. Any thoughts on how a die-off if its

> > that should last? Shouldn't I expect to see good things even in

a

> > die-off stage? He is looking very off and has slowed down

overall.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Gayatri

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Stan, I appreciate your input. The tongue seems okay in

the last couple of days or so, I didn't think to look before (should

have but it slipped my mind). Giving activated charcoal first thing

in the morning is a good idea, I can easily do that, thanks. I'll

see how he does in the next couple of days and then see about

halving the dose if required.

Much grateful for the support, yes we are seeing something. When you

see bad stuff the brain freezes in panic and its hard to see the

good. At least for me.

Gayatri

> >

> > My 8 year old 70 lb son has been on 100 mg of Diflucan for 5

days

> > now. Almost immediately he started looking bad on it. I waited,

and

> > thinking it was die-off gave charcoal with magnesium citrate one

> > night. He was marginally better the next day but not by much.

Stools

> > have been varying as per his usual pattern so if there is a

change I

> > can't see it. The other thing that came up was a swollen bottom

lip

> > that hurts with anything citrus (such as effervescent Creatine)

> > which he was doing fine with earlier.

> >

> > My question is, does this look like an allergic reaction or

should I

> > wait it out longer to see if he improves. He has had yeast on a

> > stool test forever, though a clean OAT recently. I hope he isn't

> > having a side-effect from the Diflucan, he is looking much worse

on

> > it than when he was off it. I know I should stop and see what

> > happens but I don't want to stop too soon if its something that

> > needs to be pushed through. Any thoughts on how a die-off if its

> > that should last? Shouldn't I expect to see good things even in

a

> > die-off stage? He is looking very off and has slowed down

overall.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Gayatri

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I've been wondering the same thing, only my son has been on diflucan

for several weeks. I stopped it to make sure the Diflucan was the

source of his increased irritibility and then once reintroduced, I

realized it sure WAS! My son cries in frustration about

everything! I put a call into my DAN doctor & he said he heard Dr.

Baker speak on this very thing. He said that some kids have really

stubborn yeast & you need to push through it if you can. He said to

take activated charcoal up to 6 times daily if needed. This might

be the subgroup of kids that really will do well getting the yeast

taken care of, but you have to push through it. It could take up to

2 months (according to my DAN who quoted Dr. Baker). My son really

improves in " with-it-ness " & attention/focus on Diflucan, but the

screams have got to stop! Hopefully, he's right & we just need to

see it through! Good luck!

(mom to Caleb & 2 sets of twins)

> > >

> > > My 8 year old 70 lb son has been on 100 mg of Diflucan for 5

> days

> > > now. Almost immediately he started looking bad on it. I

waited,

> and

> > > thinking it was die-off gave charcoal with magnesium citrate

one

> > > night. He was marginally better the next day but not by much.

> Stools

> > > have been varying as per his usual pattern so if there is a

> change I

> > > can't see it. The other thing that came up was a swollen

bottom

> lip

> > > that hurts with anything citrus (such as effervescent

Creatine)

> > > which he was doing fine with earlier.

> > >

> > > My question is, does this look like an allergic reaction or

> should I

> > > wait it out longer to see if he improves. He has had yeast on

a

> > > stool test forever, though a clean OAT recently. I hope he

isn't

> > > having a side-effect from the Diflucan, he is looking much

worse

> on

> > > it than when he was off it. I know I should stop and see what

> > > happens but I don't want to stop too soon if its something

that

> > > needs to be pushed through. Any thoughts on how a die-off if

its

> > > that should last? Shouldn't I expect to see good things even

in

> a

> > > die-off stage? He is looking very off and has slowed down

> overall.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Gayatri

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I've been wondering the same thing, only my son has been on diflucan

for several weeks. I stopped it to make sure the Diflucan was the

source of his increased irritibility and then once reintroduced, I

realized it sure WAS! My son cries in frustration about

everything! I put a call into my DAN doctor & he said he heard Dr.

Baker speak on this very thing. He said that some kids have really

stubborn yeast & you need to push through it if you can. He said to

take activated charcoal up to 6 times daily if needed. This might

be the subgroup of kids that really will do well getting the yeast

taken care of, but you have to push through it. It could take up to

2 months (according to my DAN who quoted Dr. Baker). My son really

improves in " with-it-ness " & attention/focus on Diflucan, but the

screams have got to stop! Hopefully, he's right & we just need to

see it through! Good luck!

(mom to Caleb & 2 sets of twins)

> > >

> > > My 8 year old 70 lb son has been on 100 mg of Diflucan for 5

> days

> > > now. Almost immediately he started looking bad on it. I

waited,

> and

> > > thinking it was die-off gave charcoal with magnesium citrate

one

> > > night. He was marginally better the next day but not by much.

> Stools

> > > have been varying as per his usual pattern so if there is a

> change I

> > > can't see it. The other thing that came up was a swollen

bottom

> lip

> > > that hurts with anything citrus (such as effervescent

Creatine)

> > > which he was doing fine with earlier.

> > >

> > > My question is, does this look like an allergic reaction or

> should I

> > > wait it out longer to see if he improves. He has had yeast on

a

> > > stool test forever, though a clean OAT recently. I hope he

isn't

> > > having a side-effect from the Diflucan, he is looking much

worse

> on

> > > it than when he was off it. I know I should stop and see what

> > > happens but I don't want to stop too soon if its something

that

> > > needs to be pushed through. Any thoughts on how a die-off if

its

> > > that should last? Shouldn't I expect to see good things even

in

> a

> > > die-off stage? He is looking very off and has slowed down

> overall.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Gayatri

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was on Nizoral awhile. A different antifungal

but my doc, who is immunologist, said if I felt

sick, I should stop until I felt better (probably

a day or two), then go back on it but at a lower

dose. If I feel sick again, do the same, until I

get to dose I can take without feeling sick.

Later I can try a higher dose again if I am doing

well on it again.

Anyway, I've read in research literature that

cholestyramine CSM is used to pull toxins out of

system under toxic liver conditions or

hepatoxicity, which is what I think causes these

symptoms, as the liver is the organ that has to

clean the blood of toxins. Charcoal is used also

but I think CSM is considered more effective.

For people who are very sensitive to substances,

one can get it compounded without the yellow dye

and sweetener, absoluately plain, and mix it is

juice or something. The yellow dye is a frequent

allergen in people who are sensitive.

I also read that cholestyramine was studied to

use in combination with DMSA to pull the DMSA

out, to keep it from recirculating in blood.

Something someone here posted not long ago, long

research article that near the end talked about

combining DMSA with cholestyramine and also a

study on one other substance to pull it out

quicker. I believe that was purpose. I didn't

read it real thoroughly.

--- jensbeard <jensbeard@...> wrote:

> I've been wondering the same thing, only my son

> has been on diflucan

> for several weeks. I stopped it to make sure

> the Diflucan was the

> source of his increased irritibility and then

> once reintroduced, I

> realized it sure WAS!

[Guest guest]

I was on Nizoral awhile. A different antifungal

but my doc, who is immunologist, said if I felt

sick, I should stop until I felt better (probably

a day or two), then go back on it but at a lower

dose. If I feel sick again, do the same, until I

get to dose I can take without feeling sick.

Later I can try a higher dose again if I am doing

well on it again.

Anyway, I've read in research literature that

cholestyramine CSM is used to pull toxins out of

system under toxic liver conditions or

hepatoxicity, which is what I think causes these

symptoms, as the liver is the organ that has to

clean the blood of toxins. Charcoal is used also

but I think CSM is considered more effective.

For people who are very sensitive to substances,

one can get it compounded without the yellow dye

and sweetener, absoluately plain, and mix it is

juice or something. The yellow dye is a frequent

allergen in people who are sensitive.

I also read that cholestyramine was studied to

use in combination with DMSA to pull the DMSA

out, to keep it from recirculating in blood.

Something someone here posted not long ago, long

research article that near the end talked about

combining DMSA with cholestyramine and also a

study on one other substance to pull it out

quicker. I believe that was purpose. I didn't

read it real thoroughly.

--- jensbeard <jensbeard@...> wrote:

> I've been wondering the same thing, only my son

> has been on diflucan

> for several weeks. I stopped it to make sure

> the Diflucan was the

> source of his increased irritibility and then

> once reintroduced, I

> realized it sure WAS!