Enzymes/ Was :'s post on antifungals, yeast fighter and probiotics

[Guest guest]

Whew! Im tryen to catch up here lota meat to digest.

I know this subject has gone on to discuss further in detail as it

involves pro 's and antifungals.

Then as we go deeper as in Enzymatic activity that also plays a

role. Now my head is spinning.

Cause recently I have entertained the though to return to digestive

enzymes and im tryen to figure what would be best to implement for

my son. He no longer has gut issues and we have maintained a strict

diet over the years, but I want to bring him to the next level of

healing. He still has allergic reactions to gluten and casein.

I was wondering if digestive enzymes would help heal the gut

Or lets say bring my child back to be able to eat Gluten without

allergic reactions?

Also will they compete take way from any other therapy such as

antiviral?

My son has been GFCF,SF, YF,CF..And everything else free for quite

some time now. Casein he was highly allergic to and gluten's where

you're standard allergic reaction

Please if anyone would be kind enough to comment I would appreciate

Kenny v

Bonus question if you were doing an antiviral protocol do you see

that also implementing digestive enzymes would be a problem or a

good idea?

The reason for asking

Here was a few exerts that I took from the enzyme board that Anita

also put a link in her post.

Boy I ditto what all of you all have said; " This would be easier if

we were all sitting around a table. "

Anti-viral and Yeast Increase taken from

http://enzymestuff.com/conditionviruses.htm#10

It has become apparent that yeast MAY increase with ANY antiviral

program that is actually working. It doesn't happen with everyone

doing an antiviral or everyone with yeast. But it can happen.

Usually good benefits are see at the same time as the yeast

increase. This is reported with Virastop, Valtrex, acyclovir, olive

leaf extract, and Lauricidin (a coconut oil product

This weekend I talked with a guy that now works with Enzymedica who

used to work with some candida researchers. We talked about this and

he suggested that it might have something to do with the

carbohydrate component on the envelope of certain viruses

The idea is that if the virus is being destroyed or unable to

connect to the cell, you would have these carb (sugar) components

out floating around which may end up as yeast food. This would

appear as an antiviral working with some yeast increase due to extra

carb entities being available during the virus cycle breakdown.

Please understand this is only a hypothesis based on science

compared with people's experience with various products. It's a

possible, logical explanation but it doesn't mean that is actually

what is happening. I did go looking to see how this might hold up.

ViraStop does not contain carb enzymes, only several types of

proteases. If the ViraStop were breaking down the protein

proportion, then that would leave the carb portion, possibly for

yeast. Perhaps taking a carb enzyme with the ViraStop if yeast is a

problem would help??? Candex, No-Fenol and Candidase are all carb

containing enzymes...although there are other straight carb enzyme

products such as V-Gest, Zyme Prime, or any broad-spectrum product.

Interesting that a couple of people used Candex with the ViraStop to

help with the yeast issue. The carb enzyme *might* be helping with

the carb portion in addition to helping directly on yeast. I checked

the Lauricidin site for info. Lauricidin is a type of oil or fat.

Now, on the Lauricidin site it says:

Kenny V.

In mb12 valtrex , " Anita Kugelstadt "

<mysuperteach@...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to

> clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already

> closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

>

> I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful. But,

> by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you are

> keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If

the

> VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape

by

> the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape

> during the protocol--ugh).

>

> I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if we

> stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely quickly.

> Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes

them

> monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> buggers who need constant shoring up.

>

> To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

recommend

> Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to the

> good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

controversy

> is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but of

> course its mechanism is much different than other OTC antifungals

> and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

about

> antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

>

> This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

>

> Anita

>

>

> >

> >

> > > It is my understanding that Virastop does not harm the

bacteria

> of

> > > probiotics. Virastop digests the protein sheath of viruses--

it

> is

> > > an enzyme. Enzymes, like VS and Candex, are very particular,

> and VS

> > > is formulated for proteins. If probiotics couldn't withstand

> > > enzymes, taking probiotics would be of no use to us because we

> have

> > > enzymes in us working all the time.

> > >

> >

> > I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

> > formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins

> couldn't

> > they interfere with each other? I may be dead wrong on this

one.

> I

> > am going to have to do some research on this. Maybe it is

> formulated

> > to somehow avoid them (probiotics)? Regardless, I do not think

> that I

> > would give them together in our case although spacing them out

> should

> > not hurt.

> >

> > Also, there are several types of enzymes in our bodies that have

> > several different functions. Good bacteria (or probiotics) in

our

> > body actually produces enzymes. They all have their purpose,

and

> > while one child may benefit from one enzyme, another may not.

> >

> > Digestive enzymes help break down foods. Some kids (like mine)

> can

> > avoid special diets using these. One thing that my wife and I

> noticed

> > is that many doctors will prescribe a standard set of digestive

> > enzymes without testing. I do not necessarily agree with this.

> The

> > problem is that one child may require one enzyme and other

> children

> > may require others depending on what they are have difficulty in

> > digesting.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting post. We should ear mark this and look further. I don't know how

carbohydrates are involved in viral replication but if that is true... that

would be an

interesting observation and certainly worth exploring. It would also support

that a SCD

type diet might help the antiviral process. I'll also pass this theory around

to my research

network and see what comes back.

- Stan

> > >

> > >

> > > > It is my understanding that Virastop does not harm the

> bacteria

> > of

> > > > probiotics. Virastop digests the protein sheath of viruses--

> it

> > is

> > > > an enzyme. Enzymes, like VS and Candex, are very particular,

> > and VS

> > > > is formulated for proteins. If probiotics couldn't withstand

> > > > enzymes, taking probiotics would be of no use to us because we

> > have

> > > > enzymes in us working all the time.

> > > >

> > >

> > > I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

> > > formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins

> > couldn't

> > > they interfere with each other? I may be dead wrong on this

> one.

> > I

> > > am going to have to do some research on this. Maybe it is

> > formulated

> > > to somehow avoid them (probiotics)? Regardless, I do not think

> > that I

> > > would give them together in our case although spacing them out

> > should

> > > not hurt.

> > >

> > > Also, there are several types of enzymes in our bodies that have

> > > several different functions. Good bacteria (or probiotics) in

> our

> > > body actually produces enzymes. They all have their purpose,

> and

> > > while one child may benefit from one enzyme, another may not.

> > >

> > > Digestive enzymes help break down foods. Some kids (like mine)

> > can

> > > avoid special diets using these. One thing that my wife and I

> > noticed

> > > is that many doctors will prescribe a standard set of digestive

> > > enzymes without testing. I do not necessarily agree with this.

> > The

> > > problem is that one child may require one enzyme and other

> > children

> > > may require others depending on what they are have difficulty in

> > > digesting.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting post. We should ear mark this and look further. I don't know how

carbohydrates are involved in viral replication but if that is true... that

would be an

interesting observation and certainly worth exploring. It would also support

that a SCD

type diet might help the antiviral process. I'll also pass this theory around

to my research

network and see what comes back.

- Stan

> > >

> > >

> > > > It is my understanding that Virastop does not harm the

> bacteria

> > of

> > > > probiotics. Virastop digests the protein sheath of viruses--

> it

> > is

> > > > an enzyme. Enzymes, like VS and Candex, are very particular,

> > and VS

> > > > is formulated for proteins. If probiotics couldn't withstand

> > > > enzymes, taking probiotics would be of no use to us because we

> > have

> > > > enzymes in us working all the time.

> > > >

> > >

> > > I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

> > > formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins

> > couldn't

> > > they interfere with each other? I may be dead wrong on this

> one.

> > I

> > > am going to have to do some research on this. Maybe it is

> > formulated

> > > to somehow avoid them (probiotics)? Regardless, I do not think

> > that I

> > > would give them together in our case although spacing them out

> > should

> > > not hurt.

> > >

> > > Also, there are several types of enzymes in our bodies that have

> > > several different functions. Good bacteria (or probiotics) in

> our

> > > body actually produces enzymes. They all have their purpose,

> and

> > > while one child may benefit from one enzyme, another may not.

> > >

> > > Digestive enzymes help break down foods. Some kids (like mine)

> > can

> > > avoid special diets using these. One thing that my wife and I

> > noticed

> > > is that many doctors will prescribe a standard set of digestive

> > > enzymes without testing. I do not necessarily agree with this.

> > The

> > > problem is that one child may require one enzyme and other

> > children

> > > may require others depending on what they are have difficulty in

> > > digesting.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I spent some time with this, and I would love for it to be the case. It would

explain many

things.

I have often talked about how it seems that viruses feed on fungus. I've

addressed this at

the DAN! Think Tank (and received no positive or negative response from anyone

on that

particular issue... which means no knows either way) and privately with a couple

high-end

viral researchers and I haven't had a hit there either. They said respectfully,

" I can't see

how it's possible... " but that's what most people say before they learn it's

possible... so

until someone proves what we are so obviously seeing " parentdotally " I remain

hopeful

and very open minded about this.

Thanks for the post.

- Stan

> > >

> > >

> > > > It is my understanding that Virastop does not harm the

> bacteria

> > of

> > > > probiotics. Virastop digests the protein sheath of viruses--

> it

> > is

> > > > an enzyme. Enzymes, like VS and Candex, are very particular,

> > and VS

> > > > is formulated for proteins. If probiotics couldn't withstand

> > > > enzymes, taking probiotics would be of no use to us because we

> > have

> > > > enzymes in us working all the time.

> > > >

> > >

> > > I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

> > > formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins

> > couldn't

> > > they interfere with each other? I may be dead wrong on this

> one.

> > I

> > > am going to have to do some research on this. Maybe it is

> > formulated

> > > to somehow avoid them (probiotics)? Regardless, I do not think

> > that I

> > > would give them together in our case although spacing them out

> > should

> > > not hurt.

> > >

> > > Also, there are several types of enzymes in our bodies that have

> > > several different functions. Good bacteria (or probiotics) in

> our

> > > body actually produces enzymes. They all have their purpose,

> and

> > > while one child may benefit from one enzyme, another may not.

> > >

> > > Digestive enzymes help break down foods. Some kids (like mine)

> > can

> > > avoid special diets using these. One thing that my wife and I

> > noticed

> > > is that many doctors will prescribe a standard set of digestive

> > > enzymes without testing. I do not necessarily agree with this.

> > The

> > > problem is that one child may require one enzyme and other

> > children

> > > may require others depending on what they are have difficulty in

> > > digesting.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I spent some time with this, and I would love for it to be the case. It would

explain many

things.

I have often talked about how it seems that viruses feed on fungus. I've

addressed this at

the DAN! Think Tank (and received no positive or negative response from anyone

on that

particular issue... which means no knows either way) and privately with a couple

high-end

viral researchers and I haven't had a hit there either. They said respectfully,

" I can't see

how it's possible... " but that's what most people say before they learn it's

possible... so

until someone proves what we are so obviously seeing " parentdotally " I remain

hopeful

and very open minded about this.

Thanks for the post.

- Stan

> > >

> > >

> > > > It is my understanding that Virastop does not harm the

> bacteria

> > of

> > > > probiotics. Virastop digests the protein sheath of viruses--

> it

> > is

> > > > an enzyme. Enzymes, like VS and Candex, are very particular,

> > and VS

> > > > is formulated for proteins. If probiotics couldn't withstand

> > > > enzymes, taking probiotics would be of no use to us because we

> > have

> > > > enzymes in us working all the time.

> > > >

> > >

> > > I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

> > > formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins

> > couldn't

> > > they interfere with each other? I may be dead wrong on this

> one.

> > I

> > > am going to have to do some research on this. Maybe it is

> > formulated

> > > to somehow avoid them (probiotics)? Regardless, I do not think

> > that I

> > > would give them together in our case although spacing them out

> > should

> > > not hurt.

> > >

> > > Also, there are several types of enzymes in our bodies that have

> > > several different functions. Good bacteria (or probiotics) in

> our

> > > body actually produces enzymes. They all have their purpose,

> and

> > > while one child may benefit from one enzyme, another may not.

> > >

> > > Digestive enzymes help break down foods. Some kids (like mine)

> > can

> > > avoid special diets using these. One thing that my wife and I

> > noticed

> > > is that many doctors will prescribe a standard set of digestive

> > > enzymes without testing. I do not necessarily agree with this.

> > The

> > > problem is that one child may require one enzyme and other

> > children

> > > may require others depending on what they are have difficulty in

> > > digesting.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>