Re: Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please Advise

June 2, 2006

Hi there, can you tell me where to read up or listen to talks on Luperon,

there seems to be a lot of controversey with this one - and also what were

your childs levels of testoserone etc - I am having trouble finding anyone

who can interprete our chidls results etc - if the drug is safe enough and

levels are high it seems like a natural thing to do - however I am finding

people are very negative about even discussing it as a treatment - your

results are wonderful, what a wonderful feeling after all the things you

have tried etc

regards mary

Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others

Please Advise

My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was

3. Specifically:

From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedical

intervention. He made gains with this.

At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). No

gains noted.

At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,

probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. We

noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.

At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.

At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).

He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues

disappeared.

At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler

protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.

At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone and

started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His

language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is

that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almost

all words. He is improving!

Here's my question (finally):

I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is

doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why

Valtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any

stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation in

a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something

to help protect his liver.

Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear

infections before becoming autistic.

What are your thoughts?

Thanking in advance.

June 2, 2006

Hi there, can you tell me where to read up or listen to talks on Luperon,

there seems to be a lot of controversey with this one - and also what were

your childs levels of testoserone etc - I am having trouble finding anyone

who can interprete our chidls results etc - if the drug is safe enough and

levels are high it seems like a natural thing to do - however I am finding

people are very negative about even discussing it as a treatment - your

results are wonderful, what a wonderful feeling after all the things you

have tried etc

regards mary

Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others

Please Advise

My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was

3. Specifically:

From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedical

intervention. He made gains with this.

At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). No

gains noted.

At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,

probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. We

noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.

At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.

At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).

He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues

disappeared.

At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler

protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.

At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone and

started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His

language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is

that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almost

all words. He is improving!

Here's my question (finally):

I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is

doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why

Valtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any

stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation in

a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something

to help protect his liver.

Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear

infections before becoming autistic.

What are your thoughts?

Thanking in advance.

June 2, 2006

Mark Geier has been doing studies on lupron and they monitor the children on it very closely, I would assume. You can reach him at mgeier@.... Maurine It is a very serious drug. <maryhe@...> wrote: Hi there, can you tell me where to read up or listen to talks on Luperon, there seems to be a lot of controversey with this one - and also what were your childs levels of testoserone etc - I am having trouble finding anyone who can interprete our chidls results etc - if the drug is safe enough and levels are high it seems like a natural thing to do - however I am finding people are very negative about even discussing it as a treatment - your results are wonderful, what a wonderful feeling after all the things you

have tried etcregards mary Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please AdviseMy son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was3. Specifically:From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedicalintervention. He made gains with this.At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). Nogains noted.At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. Wenoted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40

dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issuesdisappeared.At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutlerprotocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone andstarted Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. Hislanguage exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem isthat we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almostall words. He is improving!Here's my question (finally):I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he isdoing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know whyValtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave anystone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation ina different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or

somethingto help protect his liver.Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many earinfections before becoming autistic.What are your thoughts?Thanking in advance.

June 2, 2006

Mark Geier has been doing studies on lupron and they monitor the children on it very closely, I would assume. You can reach him at mgeier@.... Maurine It is a very serious drug. <maryhe@...> wrote: Hi there, can you tell me where to read up or listen to talks on Luperon, there seems to be a lot of controversey with this one - and also what were your childs levels of testoserone etc - I am having trouble finding anyone who can interprete our chidls results etc - if the drug is safe enough and levels are high it seems like a natural thing to do - however I am finding people are very negative about even discussing it as a treatment - your results are wonderful, what a wonderful feeling after all the things you

have tried etcregards mary Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please AdviseMy son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was3. Specifically:From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedicalintervention. He made gains with this.At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). Nogains noted.At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. Wenoted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40

dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issuesdisappeared.At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutlerprotocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone andstarted Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. Hislanguage exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem isthat we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almostall words. He is improving!Here's my question (finally):I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he isdoing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know whyValtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave anystone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation ina different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or

somethingto help protect his liver.Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many earinfections before becoming autistic.What are your thoughts?Thanking in advance.

June 2, 2006

Mark Geier has been doing studies on lupron and they monitor the children on it very closely, I would assume. You can reach him at mgeier@.... Maurine It is a very serious drug. <maryhe@...> wrote: Hi there, can you tell me where to read up or listen to talks on Luperon, there seems to be a lot of controversey with this one - and also what were your childs levels of testoserone etc - I am having trouble finding anyone who can interprete our chidls results etc - if the drug is safe enough and levels are high it seems like a natural thing to do - however I am finding people are very negative about even discussing it as a treatment - your results are wonderful, what a wonderful feeling after all the things you

have tried etcregards mary Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please AdviseMy son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was3. Specifically:From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedicalintervention. He made gains with this.At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). Nogains noted.At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. Wenoted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40

dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issuesdisappeared.At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutlerprotocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone andstarted Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. Hislanguage exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem isthat we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almostall words. He is improving!Here's my question (finally):I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he isdoing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know whyValtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave anystone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation ina different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or

somethingto help protect his liver.Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many earinfections before becoming autistic.What are your thoughts?Thanking in advance.

June 2, 2006

Hi Folks:

I am new to this group but a relatively old timer. I have two children who lost there autism diagnosis. I have learned over the years that viruses, parasites, yeast and bacteria love metals. As long as you have the metals you'll need to fight off all of the above. We chelated my son for 4 years and my daughter for 3. During that time we treated for all of the above over and over. If I were to add the Valtrex(which I am no expert on and have no experience with) I would make sure the liver and kidneys are working up to snuff-to detox all the meds. I recommend Hulda e's Kindney and liver cleanses or homopathic drainers. Just my 2 cents.

Holly MasclansMom on a Mission for Autismâ€œIn the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friendsâ€ - Luther King, Jr.

Re: Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please Advise

Hi there, can you tell me where to read up or listen to talks on Luperon, there seems to be a lot of controversey with this one - and also what were your childs levels of testoserone etc - I am having trouble finding anyone who can interprete our chidls results etc - if the drug is safe enough and levels are high it seems like a natural thing to do - however I am finding people are very negative about even discussing it as a treatment - your results are wonderful, what a wonderful feeling after all the things you have tried etc

regards mary

Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please Advise

My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was

3. Specifically:

From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedical

intervention. He made gains with this.

At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). No

gains noted.

At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,

probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. We

noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.

At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.

At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).

He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues

disappeared.

At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler

protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.

At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone and

started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His

language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is

that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almost

all words. He is improving!

Here's my question (finally):

I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is

doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why

Valtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any

stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation in

a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something

to help protect his liver.

Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear

infections before becoming autistic.

What are your thoughts?

Thanking in advance.

June 2, 2006

Hi Folks:

I am new to this group but a relatively old timer. I have two children who lost there autism diagnosis. I have learned over the years that viruses, parasites, yeast and bacteria love metals. As long as you have the metals you'll need to fight off all of the above. We chelated my son for 4 years and my daughter for 3. During that time we treated for all of the above over and over. If I were to add the Valtrex(which I am no expert on and have no experience with) I would make sure the liver and kidneys are working up to snuff-to detox all the meds. I recommend Hulda e's Kindney and liver cleanses or homopathic drainers. Just my 2 cents.

Holly MasclansMom on a Mission for Autismâ€œIn the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friendsâ€ - Luther King, Jr.

Re: Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please Advise

Hi there, can you tell me where to read up or listen to talks on Luperon, there seems to be a lot of controversey with this one - and also what were your childs levels of testoserone etc - I am having trouble finding anyone who can interprete our chidls results etc - if the drug is safe enough and levels are high it seems like a natural thing to do - however I am finding people are very negative about even discussing it as a treatment - your results are wonderful, what a wonderful feeling after all the things you have tried etc

regards mary

Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please Advise

My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was

3. Specifically:

From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedical

intervention. He made gains with this.

At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). No

gains noted.

At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,

probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. We

noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.

At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.

At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).

He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues

disappeared.

At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler

protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.

At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone and

started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His

language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is

that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almost

all words. He is improving!

Here's my question (finally):

I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is

doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why

Valtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any

stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation in

a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something

to help protect his liver.

Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear

infections before becoming autistic.

What are your thoughts?

Thanking in advance.

June 2, 2006

When did you start chelation? I would do at least 6 months of

chelation before introducing Valtrex. I am just thiking it would be

too hard on his body to do both at first.

Within a few weeks of starting chelation - Andy Cutler's protocol

too - my son's language also took off. Isn't amazing to see? It is

like watching a typical kid developping language in a fast forward

mode! He went from non-verbal, severely apraxic (grunting and crying,

could not even make an 'o' sound) to speaking in full sentences in a

few months!

>

> My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was

> 3. Specifically:

>

> From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedical

> intervention. He made gains with this.

>

> At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). No

> gains noted.

>

> At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,

> probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. We

> noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.

>

> At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.

>

> At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).

> He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues

> disappeared.

>

> At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler

> protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.

>

> At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone

and

> started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His

> language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is

> that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almost

> all words. He is improving!

>

> Here's my question (finally):

>

> I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is

> doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why

> Valtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any

> stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation in

> a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something

> to help protect his liver.

>

> Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear

> infections before becoming autistic.

>

> What are your thoughts?

>

> Thanking in advance.

>

June 2, 2006

When did you start chelation? I would do at least 6 months of

chelation before introducing Valtrex. I am just thiking it would be

too hard on his body to do both at first.

Within a few weeks of starting chelation - Andy Cutler's protocol

too - my son's language also took off. Isn't amazing to see? It is

like watching a typical kid developping language in a fast forward

mode! He went from non-verbal, severely apraxic (grunting and crying,

could not even make an 'o' sound) to speaking in full sentences in a

few months!

>

> My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was

> 3. Specifically:

>

> From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedical

> intervention. He made gains with this.

>

> At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). No

> gains noted.

>

> At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,

> probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. We

> noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.

>

> At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.

>

> At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).

> He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues

> disappeared.

>

> At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler

> protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.

>

> At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone

and

> started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His

> language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is

> that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almost

> all words. He is improving!

>

> Here's my question (finally):

>

> I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is

> doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why

> Valtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any

> stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation in

> a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something

> to help protect his liver.

>

> Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear

> infections before becoming autistic.

>

> What are your thoughts?

>

> Thanking in advance.

>

June 5, 2006

, The testosterone level of a child depends on his / her age. For my son of age 5, a normal testosterone level is supposed to be 5 (if I recall correctly). My son's is 15. To interpret your son's lab results, your pediatrician should be able to help. Tell him you suspect your child has precocious puberty and want to see of his testosterone is high. In reference to the testosterone protocal -- First and foremost, I believe in the science behind the high testosterone & mercury connection. Please listen to Dr. Geier & Reverend Sykes for that information: http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html As per the arguments for and against Lupron (safety) -- I struggled a whole lot with this

thing. I heard all the things you are hearing. I joined the "Lupron Victims" group, received complaints from the FDA etc. As per concerns from individual, I tried to distinguish between emotional fear mongers and legitimate arguments. The most common arguments from folks on these sites is that 1. lupron use is "risky" -- who knows what will happen once you start using Lupron 2. lupron use is not natural -- you should not interfere wit the natural process My counter arguments are as follows: 1. Most documented complaints against Lupron were from adult females (ones who were well into puberty). There are very few complaints documented for children. Those are the facts. This does not make Lupron fully safe -- but there are far fewer complaints

listed against Lupron as opposed to DMSA or DMPS. As per "who knows what will happen once you start using" -- I know what will happen if autism is left untreated -- the child will remain autistic. If other things are not working, why not use Lupron? Thus far, Dr. Geier has 50 patients and 50 out of 50 are making progress!! I've spoken to several parents who confirmed this. 2. As per the argument "lupron use is not natural -- you should not interfere with the natural process" -- the natural process has already been interfered with. My son received mercury-laced vaccines -- this was about as non-natural as things get. I need to counter that -- with chelation, enzymes, lupron or whatever. Sometimes I believe that DAN doctors are unneccessarily generating fear. The more go with this protocal, the fewer DAN docs are needed. Just my 2 cents. Regards, <maryhe@...> wrote: Hi there, can you tell me where to read up or listen to talks on Luperon, there seems to be a lot of controversey with this one - and also what were your childs levels of testoserone etc - I am having trouble finding anyone who can interprete our chidls results etc - if the drug is safe enough and levels are high it seems like a natural thing to do - however I am finding people are very negative about even discussing it as a treatment - your results are wonderful, what a wonderful feeling after all the things you have tried etcregards mary Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please AdviseMy son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was3. Specifically:From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedicalintervention. He made gains with this.At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). Nogains noted.At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. Wenoted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issuesdisappeared.At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutlerprotocal,

DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone andstarted Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. Hislanguage exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem isthat we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almostall words. He is improving!Here's my question (finally):I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he isdoing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know whyValtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave anystone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation ina different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or somethingto help protect his liver.Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many earinfections before becoming autistic.What are your

thoughts?Thanking in advance.

June 5, 2006

, The testosterone level of a child depends on his / her age. For my son of age 5, a normal testosterone level is supposed to be 5 (if I recall correctly). My son's is 15. To interpret your son's lab results, your pediatrician should be able to help. Tell him you suspect your child has precocious puberty and want to see of his testosterone is high. In reference to the testosterone protocal -- First and foremost, I believe in the science behind the high testosterone & mercury connection. Please listen to Dr. Geier & Reverend Sykes for that information: http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html As per the arguments for and against Lupron (safety) -- I struggled a whole lot with this

thing. I heard all the things you are hearing. I joined the "Lupron Victims" group, received complaints from the FDA etc. As per concerns from individual, I tried to distinguish between emotional fear mongers and legitimate arguments. The most common arguments from folks on these sites is that 1. lupron use is "risky" -- who knows what will happen once you start using Lupron 2. lupron use is not natural -- you should not interfere wit the natural process My counter arguments are as follows: 1. Most documented complaints against Lupron were from adult females (ones who were well into puberty). There are very few complaints documented for children. Those are the facts. This does not make Lupron fully safe -- but there are far fewer complaints

listed against Lupron as opposed to DMSA or DMPS. As per "who knows what will happen once you start using" -- I know what will happen if autism is left untreated -- the child will remain autistic. If other things are not working, why not use Lupron? Thus far, Dr. Geier has 50 patients and 50 out of 50 are making progress!! I've spoken to several parents who confirmed this. 2. As per the argument "lupron use is not natural -- you should not interfere with the natural process" -- the natural process has already been interfered with. My son received mercury-laced vaccines -- this was about as non-natural as things get. I need to counter that -- with chelation, enzymes, lupron or whatever. Sometimes I believe that DAN doctors are unneccessarily generating fear. The more go with this protocal, the fewer DAN docs are needed. Just my 2 cents. Regards, <maryhe@...> wrote: Hi there, can you tell me where to read up or listen to talks on Luperon, there seems to be a lot of controversey with this one - and also what were your childs levels of testoserone etc - I am having trouble finding anyone who can interprete our chidls results etc - if the drug is safe enough and levels are high it seems like a natural thing to do - however I am finding people are very negative about even discussing it as a treatment - your results are wonderful, what a wonderful feeling after all the things you have tried etcregards mary Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please AdviseMy son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was3. Specifically:From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedicalintervention. He made gains with this.At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). Nogains noted.At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. Wenoted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issuesdisappeared.At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutlerprotocal,

DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone andstarted Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. Hislanguage exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem isthat we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almostall words. He is improving!Here's my question (finally):I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he isdoing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know whyValtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave anystone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation ina different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or somethingto help protect his liver.Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many earinfections before becoming autistic.What are your

thoughts?Thanking in advance.

June 5, 2006

Holly, Thanks for the advice and so much congratulations on the fact that 2 of your kids lost their asd diagnosis! You deserve so much credit! It requires so much patience. My son finally started repeating a words. He sounds great! We were pushing it by trying to have him ride a tricycle. He was pushing the pedal on and off but he's not there yet -- so damn frustrating! Again, you deserve so much credit.inticci@... wrote: Hi Folks: I am new to this group but a relatively old timer. I have two children who lost there autism diagnosis. I have learned over the years that viruses, parasites, yeast

and bacteria love metals. As long as you have the metals you'll need to fight off all of the above. We chelated my son for 4 years and my daughter for 3. During that time we treated for all of the above over and over. If I were to add the Valtrex(which I am no expert on and have no experience with) I would make sure the liver and kidneys are working up to snuff-to detox all the meds. I recommend Hulda e's Kindney and liver cleanses or homopathic drainers. Just my 2 cents. Holly MasclansMom on a Mission for Autismâ€œIn the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friendsâ€ - Luther King, Jr. Re: Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan

& Others Please Advise Hi there, can you tell me where to read up or listen to talks on Luperon, there

seems to be a lot of controversey with this one - and also what were your childs levels of testoserone etc - I am having trouble finding anyone who can interprete our chidls results etc - if the drug is safe enough and levels are high it seems like a natural thing to do - however I am finding people are very negative about even discussing it as a treatment - your results are wonderful, what a wonderful feeling after all the things you have tried etc regards mary Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please Advise My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was 3. Specifically: From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA,

OT, ST) no biomedical intervention. He made gains with this. At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). No gains noted. At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes, probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. We noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods. At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains. At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA). He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues disappeared. At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week. At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone and started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almost all words. He is improving! Here's my question (finally): I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why Valtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation in a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something to help protect his liver. Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear infections before becoming autistic. What are your thoughts? Thanking in advance.

June 5, 2006

Holly, Thanks for the advice and so much congratulations on the fact that 2 of your kids lost their asd diagnosis! You deserve so much credit! It requires so much patience. My son finally started repeating a words. He sounds great! We were pushing it by trying to have him ride a tricycle. He was pushing the pedal on and off but he's not there yet -- so damn frustrating! Again, you deserve so much credit.inticci@... wrote: Hi Folks: I am new to this group but a relatively old timer. I have two children who lost there autism diagnosis. I have learned over the years that viruses, parasites, yeast

and bacteria love metals. As long as you have the metals you'll need to fight off all of the above. We chelated my son for 4 years and my daughter for 3. During that time we treated for all of the above over and over. If I were to add the Valtrex(which I am no expert on and have no experience with) I would make sure the liver and kidneys are working up to snuff-to detox all the meds. I recommend Hulda e's Kindney and liver cleanses or homopathic drainers. Just my 2 cents. Holly MasclansMom on a Mission for Autismâ€œIn the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friendsâ€ - Luther King, Jr. Re: Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan

& Others Please Advise Hi there, can you tell me where to read up or listen to talks on Luperon, there

seems to be a lot of controversey with this one - and also what were your childs levels of testoserone etc - I am having trouble finding anyone who can interprete our chidls results etc - if the drug is safe enough and levels are high it seems like a natural thing to do - however I am finding people are very negative about even discussing it as a treatment - your results are wonderful, what a wonderful feeling after all the things you have tried etc regards mary Chelation & Lupron -- Add VALTREX? -- Stan & Others Please Advise My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was 3. Specifically: From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA,

OT, ST) no biomedical intervention. He made gains with this. At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). No gains noted. At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes, probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. We noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods. At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains. At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA). He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues disappeared. At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week. At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone and started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almost all words. He is improving! Here's my question (finally): I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why Valtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation in a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something to help protect his liver. Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear infections before becoming autistic. What are your thoughts? Thanking in advance.

June 5, 2006

I hear you . It may not be a good idea to chelate and do valtrex at the same time. I also fear that I may lose time. The longer those damned metal sit in his body -- the more harm they can cause. He's already 5 years and 4 months old. I am struggling with the right approach. and yes -- it is amazing to watch. I pray he will keep moving up the ladder.ferdeson <ferdeson@...> wrote: When did you start chelation? I would do at least 6 months of chelation before introducing Valtrex. I am just thiking it would be too hard on his body to do both at first.Within a few weeks of starting chelation - Andy Cutler's protocol too - my son's language also took off. Isn't amazing to see? It is like watching a typical kid

developping language in a fast forward mode! He went from non-verbal, severely apraxic (grunting and crying, could not even make an 'o' sound) to speaking in full sentences in a few months!>> My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was > 3. Specifically:> > From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedical > intervention. He made gains with this.> > At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). No > gains noted.> > At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes, > probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. We > noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.> > At 4 years and 11 months, we added

MB12. We noted slight gains.> > At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA). > He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues > disappeared.> > At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler > protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.> > At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone and > started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His > language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is > that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almost > all words. He is improving!> > Here's my question (finally):> > I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is > doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why > Valtrex works

on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any > stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation in > a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something > to help protect his liver.> > Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear > infections before becoming autistic.> > What are your thoughts?> > > Thanking in advance.> __________________________________________________

June 5, 2006

I hear you . It may not be a good idea to chelate and do valtrex at the same time. I also fear that I may lose time. The longer those damned metal sit in his body -- the more harm they can cause. He's already 5 years and 4 months old. I am struggling with the right approach. and yes -- it is amazing to watch. I pray he will keep moving up the ladder.ferdeson <ferdeson@...> wrote: When did you start chelation? I would do at least 6 months of chelation before introducing Valtrex. I am just thiking it would be too hard on his body to do both at first.Within a few weeks of starting chelation - Andy Cutler's protocol too - my son's language also took off. Isn't amazing to see? It is like watching a typical kid

developping language in a fast forward mode! He went from non-verbal, severely apraxic (grunting and crying, could not even make an 'o' sound) to speaking in full sentences in a few months!>> My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was > 3. Specifically:> > From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedical > intervention. He made gains with this.> > At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots). No > gains noted.> > At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes, > probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc. We > noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.> > At 4 years and 11 months, we added

MB12. We noted slight gains.> > At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA). > He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues > disappeared.> > At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler > protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.> > At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone and > started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His > language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is > that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts almost > all words. He is improving!> > Here's my question (finally):> > I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is > doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why > Valtrex works

on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any > stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation in > a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something > to help protect his liver.> > Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear > infections before becoming autistic.> > What are your thoughts?> > > Thanking in advance.> __________________________________________________

June 5, 2006

>At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).

>He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues

>disappeared.

Very interesting and concerning about HBOT. A very uncommon post.

We typically don't see negative things about HBOT.

Addtionally, this is the first post about Lupron - very

encouraging. I'm wondering if you tried an antifungal like diflucan

or nizoral prior to Lupron?

Lastly, Valtrex is helping some children dump metals. There is no

question about it (at least in my mind).

If your child is doing so well, I'm not sure I would change anything

just yet.

What are his remaining symptoms?

- Stan

>

> My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was

> 3. Specifically:

>

> From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedical

> intervention. He made gains with this.

>

> At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots).

No

> gains noted.

>

> At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,

> probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc.

We

> noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.

>

> At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.

>

> At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5

ATA).

> He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues

> disappeared.

>

> At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler

> protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.

>

> At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone

and

> started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His

> language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is

> that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts

almost

> all words. He is improving!

>

> Here's my question (finally):

>

> I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is

> doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why

> Valtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any

> stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation

in

> a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something

> to help protect his liver.

>

> Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear

> infections before becoming autistic.

>

> What are your thoughts?

>

> Thanking in advance.

>

June 5, 2006

>At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5 ATA).

>He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues

>disappeared.

Very interesting and concerning about HBOT. A very uncommon post.

We typically don't see negative things about HBOT.

Addtionally, this is the first post about Lupron - very

encouraging. I'm wondering if you tried an antifungal like diflucan

or nizoral prior to Lupron?

Lastly, Valtrex is helping some children dump metals. There is no

question about it (at least in my mind).

If your child is doing so well, I'm not sure I would change anything

just yet.

What are his remaining symptoms?

- Stan

>

> My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was

> 3. Specifically:

>

> From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedical

> intervention. He made gains with this.

>

> At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots).

No

> gains noted.

>

> At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,

> probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc.

We

> noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.

>

> At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.

>

> At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5

ATA).

> He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues

> disappeared.

>

> At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler

> protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.

>

> At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone

and

> started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His

> language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is

> that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts

almost

> all words. He is improving!

>

> Here's my question (finally):

>

> I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is

> doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why

> Valtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any

> stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation

in

> a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something

> to help protect his liver.

>

> Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear

> infections before becoming autistic.

>

> What are your thoughts?

>

> Thanking in advance.

>

June 5, 2006

In thinking some more... The warts may be a sign of a viral issue

yes.

The challenge of getting advice is that you are the first post about

a Lupron trial we have. We don't have a lot of information to go on

regarding Lupron and Valtrex. My instict says that if you are doing

well, I would hold on a bit longer before changing anything. If you

did decide to try Valtrex it may work well since Lupron will likely

raise glutathione levels... but I'm guessing... totally guessing and

there are some very bright folks that have concerns about Lupron so

I'm really careful about Lupron and I hope everyone understands

that. Until there is some type of track record, I feel an

obligation to speak very carefully about it.

I do believe in the testosterone connection in ASD and believe that

high testosterone should be at least considered for some type of

strategy... typically antifungals first. But it also seems that

some families may rightly consider Lupron... and I support a

families decision to try what they want, but it is a very new

therapy and there is a real debate about messing directly with

testosterone... but time will tell and if your child is doing well,

that is certainly the most important thing.

- Stan

>

> My son is 5 y.o. with ASD. We have tried many things since he was

> 3. Specifically:

>

> From age 3 - 4.5 did schooling only (ABA, OT, ST) no biomedical

> intervention. He made gains with this.

>

> At 4.5 we added supplements (fish oil, supervitamins ... lots).

No

> gains noted.

>

> At 4 years and 8 months we put him on a GF/Cf diet with enzymes,

> probiotics etc. We also combated yeast. We used GSE, OLE etc.

We

> noted little gains. He lost most of his pickiness for foods.

>

> At 4 years and 11 months, we added MB12. We noted slight gains.

>

> At 5 years and 1 month we tried HBOT (40 dives, 100% O2, 1.5

ATA).

> He lost whatever language he had. However, his gut issues

> disappeared.

>

> At 5 years and 3 months we began chelating him -- Andy Cutler

> protocal, DMSA & ALA. We note some gains every week.

>

> At 5 years and 5 months we learned he has very high testosterone

and

> started Lupron treatment. We are continuing chelation. His

> language exploded! Seeing gains everyday. The biggest problem is

> that we can't train him fast enough. He repeats or attempts

almost

> all words. He is improving!

>

> Here's my question (finally):

>

> I would like to add Valtrex to his regiment. Why? Although he is

> doing very well on Lupron & Chelation, no one seems to know why

> Valtrex works on some of these kids. I don't want to leave any

> stone unturned. I am thinking that Valtrex is causing chelation

in

> a different way. If I do this, I will add Liver Life or something

> to help protect his liver.

>

> Note that he seems to have viral issues -- warts and had many ear

> infections before becoming autistic.

>

> What are your thoughts?

>

> Thanking in advance.

>

June 5, 2006