Valtrex opening methylation pathway? Can't get enough MB12? -HELP!

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has been a

very good intervention for us.

Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

(whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he got

little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks, my

son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip of

tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on him,

and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving him

one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could point

to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to help

bring the B12 levels up?

The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

Thanks in advance.

Anne

[Guest guest]

I discussed this with my Dr. last week.

He said that maybe after some more time on Valtrex my son may be able to tolerate

some of the supplements he could not before like Calcium and folinic. Your

post is a good sign. I know it’s tough to keep trying everything but you

may have just given me the incentive to go for the calcium again slooowly.

Thanks,

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Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:05

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Subject: Valtrex

opening methylation pathway? Can't get enough MB12? -HELP!

Hi Everyone,

My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has been a

very good intervention for us.

Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

(whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he got

little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks, my

son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip of

tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on him,

and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving him

one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could point

to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to help

bring the B12 levels up?

The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

Thanks in advance.

Anne

[Guest guest]

Anne:

Given the prevalent thought that viruses and metals are intertwined

(for lack of a better word) and that the presence of metals (and

viruses) inhibit the enzymes that run the methylation cycles, it

really is not surprising at all. In fact my personal opinion is that

the sulphation pathways are affected by viruses as well. Have you

seen any red ears whilst on Valtrex (running out of the PST enzyme).

What I love about Yasko and her diagrams is that I have actually

begun to understand this stuff!!

http://www.holistichealth.com/genetics.htm

See the 6th diagram with the metals.

Gayatri

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has been

a

> very good intervention for us.

>

> Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he got

> little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks, my

> son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip of

> tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

>

> For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

him,

> and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

him

> one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

> can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

point

> to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

help

> bring the B12 levels up?

>

> The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

Anne:

Given the prevalent thought that viruses and metals are intertwined

(for lack of a better word) and that the presence of metals (and

viruses) inhibit the enzymes that run the methylation cycles, it

really is not surprising at all. In fact my personal opinion is that

the sulphation pathways are affected by viruses as well. Have you

seen any red ears whilst on Valtrex (running out of the PST enzyme).

What I love about Yasko and her diagrams is that I have actually

begun to understand this stuff!!

http://www.holistichealth.com/genetics.htm

See the 6th diagram with the metals.

Gayatri

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has been

a

> very good intervention for us.

>

> Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he got

> little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks, my

> son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip of

> tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

>

> For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

him,

> and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

him

> one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

> can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

point

> to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

help

> bring the B12 levels up?

>

> The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

Anne I should have added these are PDF files. To see them don't

forget to use the " rotate clockwise " feature in the toolbar on the

top to the right, else you run the risk of getting a crick in the

neck.

Gayatri

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> > will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has

been

> a

> > very good intervention for us.

> >

> > Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> > (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he

got

> > little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks,

my

> > son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip

of

> > tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> > perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

> >

> > For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

> him,

> > and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

> him

> > one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> > tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> > there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> > almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How

much

> > can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

> point

> > to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

> help

> > bring the B12 levels up?

> >

> > The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> > changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Anne

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Drew has actually had red ears for the last week. I wondered what was

going on with him. We are on Day 24. I thought that maybe he was

reacting to a food (this has always been his first sign of food

intolerance) , but his diet hasn't changed at all over the last year!

Very interesting! Thanks for the info.!

Missy

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> > > will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has

> been

> > a

> > > very good intervention for us.

> > >

> > > Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> > > (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he

> got

> > > little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks,

> my

> > > son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip

> of

> > > tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> > > perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

> > >

> > > For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

> > him,

> > > and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

> > him

> > > one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> > > tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> > > there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> > > almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How

> much

> > > can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

> > point

> > > to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

> > help

> > > bring the B12 levels up?

> > >

> > > The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> > > changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance.

> > >

> > > Anne

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Drew has actually had red ears for the last week. I wondered what was

going on with him. We are on Day 24. I thought that maybe he was

reacting to a food (this has always been his first sign of food

intolerance) , but his diet hasn't changed at all over the last year!

Very interesting! Thanks for the info.!

Missy

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> > > will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has

> been

> > a

> > > very good intervention for us.

> > >

> > > Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> > > (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he

> got

> > > little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks,

> my

> > > son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip

> of

> > > tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> > > perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

> > >

> > > For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

> > him,

> > > and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

> > him

> > > one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> > > tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> > > there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> > > almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How

> much

> > > can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

> > point

> > > to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

> > help

> > > bring the B12 levels up?

> > >

> > > The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> > > changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance.

> > >

> > > Anne

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Gayatri,

I have spent some time with those diagrams, though I am just

beginning to really understand them....

We have not seen any red ears, yet....

Anne

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> > will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has

been

> a

> > very good intervention for us.

> >

> > Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> > (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he

got

> > little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks,

my

> > son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip

of

> > tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> > perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

> >

> > For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

> him,

> > and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

> him

> > one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> > tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> > there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> > almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How

much

> > can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

> point

> > to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

> help

> > bring the B12 levels up?

> >

> > The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> > changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Anne

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Can someone list the signs of B12 deficiency. My DAN doc has my son on NO B vitamins, and I always question this decision...anneecbrynn <abrynn@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has been a very good intervention for us.Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12 (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he got little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks, my

son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip of tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on him, and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving him one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could point to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to help bring the B12 levels up? The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!Thanks in

advance.Anne

[Guest guest]

Can someone list the signs of B12 deficiency. My DAN doc has my son on NO B vitamins, and I always question this decision...anneecbrynn <abrynn@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has been a very good intervention for us.Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12 (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he got little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks, my

son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip of tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on him, and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving him one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could point to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to help bring the B12 levels up? The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!Thanks in

advance.Anne

[Guest guest]

There can be indicators on a CBC (MCV/MCH - I think, though I don't

have a CBC handy to reference) and red tip of the tongue (and I have

heard sides as well) is a tip off.

Anne

Hi Everyone,

>

> My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has been

a

> very good intervention for us.

>

> Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he got

> little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks, my

> son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip of

> tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

>

> For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

him,

> and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

him

> one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

> can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could point

> to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to help

> bring the B12 levels up?

>

> The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

There can be indicators on a CBC (MCV/MCH - I think, though I don't

have a CBC handy to reference) and red tip of the tongue (and I have

heard sides as well) is a tip off.

Anne

Hi Everyone,

>

> My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has been

a

> very good intervention for us.

>

> Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he got

> little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks, my

> son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip of

> tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

>

> For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

him,

> and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

him

> one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

> can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could point

> to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to help

> bring the B12 levels up?

>

> The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Anne

>

[Guest guest]

Rehana I am a novice at this and so will attempt to explain to the

best of my ability. In the diagram 5 Methyl THF is the form of

folate that the body uses. If you have a mutation in the MTHFR

(C677T) which is the circle in the middle, then you cannot easily

convert folate/folinic to 5MTHF and so you will need something like

Folapro (from Metagenics) to supply some form of folic acid to the

body. Yasko cautions that you do her Step 1 supplement support prior

to adding in Folapro.

The MTHFR has another mutation the A1298C. As a Yasko mom explained

it to me here goes:

" The MTHFr A1298C is a problem but there are ways around it. This

enzyme influences the reverse reaction of the folate cycle ( I think

I said that right). On your diagram where the middle circle is you

will see a rectangle that represents MTHFR, this is our enzyme.

Folic acid will have trouble converting to 5 Methyl TetrahydroFolate

that's where our Folapro will be useful AFTER step one supplements.

It is also responsible for the reverse reaction in making BH4 on the

circle to the left (see how the arrows go both ways? So the thought

is that BH4 goes around the circle, 2 parts go to the Urea Cycle to

clean out the trash and 2 parts go back around to the MTHFr enzyme

to make more BH4. The MTHFr enzyme borrows from SAMe to make more

BH4, but not in this case. It isn't likely because of the ++ that

the MTHFr A1298C is able to borrow from SAMe. SO we have an enzyme

MTHFr A1298C (with added burden of metal, bacteria blocking the

enzyme) that has a double block. So instead of have the 4 parts of

BH4 at the top of the circle lets imagine that we only have 3

parts. Lets say for illustrative purposes that 1 1/2 parts go to

the Urea Cycle which is not juctioning at top speed because we

already have the NOS+- there, and 1 1/2 parts go back into our

original cycle. You need BH4 for all kinds of things, you also need

it for serotonin/dopamine synthesis. You need serotonin/dopamine

synthesis for language. I don't know if your son is verbal or not.

It may be that the body is using the BH4 for language and it may be

that it is using it for the Urea Cycle or a number of other things,

but this is what I understand and can remember at the moment about

it. It is not necessary to have the pure or pharma BH4, parents are

getting detox from the BIO THYRO which contains BH4. I've used it

myself and plan to in the next couple of weeks. Lowering the burden

of lipid, sulphur supplements will also free up some room for BH4 to

be processed naturally Royal Jelly is also a naural source of BH4. "

" The MTR and MTRR is a severe lack of of Vitamin B12 production.

The multi Vitamin from HHC will have small amount of SAMe and

Methionine to assist with other parts of the cycle for these

mutaitons, outside of that Hydroxy and cyano B12 would be

recommened. "

To your question about which metal is blocking folic acid, I don't

know - the answer as you can probably tell lies in mutations and

viruses/bacteria and metals. If you go and read at autismanswer.com

you can find out a lot of theory but it probably won't make

individual sense if you don't have your genetic mutations on hand.

There is only one panel available now, costs $750, and it at

www.holistichealth.com. If you want a GAR (Genetic Analysis Review)

that will be an additional $575. The parents there are very helpful

if you have questions. You can go to the Basic Forum and read to get

a sense of the protocol. Also the same website will let you buy the

suplements mentioned above - HHC (a multivitamin) or Bio-thyro -

should you want to.

HTH

Gayatri

> Anne I should have added these are PDF files. To see

them don't

> forget to use the " rotate clockwise " feature in the toolbar on the

> top to the right, else you run the risk of getting a crick in the

> neck.

>

> Gayatri

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[Guest guest]

Rehana I am a novice at this and so will attempt to explain to the

best of my ability. In the diagram 5 Methyl THF is the form of

folate that the body uses. If you have a mutation in the MTHFR

(C677T) which is the circle in the middle, then you cannot easily

convert folate/folinic to 5MTHF and so you will need something like

Folapro (from Metagenics) to supply some form of folic acid to the

body. Yasko cautions that you do her Step 1 supplement support prior

to adding in Folapro.

The MTHFR has another mutation the A1298C. As a Yasko mom explained

it to me here goes:

" The MTHFr A1298C is a problem but there are ways around it. This

enzyme influences the reverse reaction of the folate cycle ( I think

I said that right). On your diagram where the middle circle is you

will see a rectangle that represents MTHFR, this is our enzyme.

Folic acid will have trouble converting to 5 Methyl TetrahydroFolate

that's where our Folapro will be useful AFTER step one supplements.

It is also responsible for the reverse reaction in making BH4 on the

circle to the left (see how the arrows go both ways? So the thought

is that BH4 goes around the circle, 2 parts go to the Urea Cycle to

clean out the trash and 2 parts go back around to the MTHFr enzyme

to make more BH4. The MTHFr enzyme borrows from SAMe to make more

BH4, but not in this case. It isn't likely because of the ++ that

the MTHFr A1298C is able to borrow from SAMe. SO we have an enzyme

MTHFr A1298C (with added burden of metal, bacteria blocking the

enzyme) that has a double block. So instead of have the 4 parts of

BH4 at the top of the circle lets imagine that we only have 3

parts. Lets say for illustrative purposes that 1 1/2 parts go to

the Urea Cycle which is not juctioning at top speed because we

already have the NOS+- there, and 1 1/2 parts go back into our

original cycle. You need BH4 for all kinds of things, you also need

it for serotonin/dopamine synthesis. You need serotonin/dopamine

synthesis for language. I don't know if your son is verbal or not.

It may be that the body is using the BH4 for language and it may be

that it is using it for the Urea Cycle or a number of other things,

but this is what I understand and can remember at the moment about

it. It is not necessary to have the pure or pharma BH4, parents are

getting detox from the BIO THYRO which contains BH4. I've used it

myself and plan to in the next couple of weeks. Lowering the burden

of lipid, sulphur supplements will also free up some room for BH4 to

be processed naturally Royal Jelly is also a naural source of BH4. "

" The MTR and MTRR is a severe lack of of Vitamin B12 production.

The multi Vitamin from HHC will have small amount of SAMe and

Methionine to assist with other parts of the cycle for these

mutaitons, outside of that Hydroxy and cyano B12 would be

recommened. "

To your question about which metal is blocking folic acid, I don't

know - the answer as you can probably tell lies in mutations and

viruses/bacteria and metals. If you go and read at autismanswer.com

you can find out a lot of theory but it probably won't make

individual sense if you don't have your genetic mutations on hand.

There is only one panel available now, costs $750, and it at

www.holistichealth.com. If you want a GAR (Genetic Analysis Review)

that will be an additional $575. The parents there are very helpful

if you have questions. You can go to the Basic Forum and read to get

a sense of the protocol. Also the same website will let you buy the

suplements mentioned above - HHC (a multivitamin) or Bio-thyro -

should you want to.

HTH

Gayatri

> Anne I should have added these are PDF files. To see

them don't

> forget to use the " rotate clockwise " feature in the toolbar on the

> top to the right, else you run the risk of getting a crick in the

> neck.

>

> Gayatri

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Abid, answers in CAPS.

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> > will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has

been

> a

> > very good intervention for us.

> >

> > Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> > (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he

got

> > little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks,

my

> > son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip

of

> > tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> > perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

> >

> > For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

> him,

> > and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

> him

> > one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> > tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> > there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> > almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

> > can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

> point

> > to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

> help

> > bring the B12 levels up?

> >

> > The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> > changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Anne

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Abid, answers in CAPS.

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> > will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has

been

> a

> > very good intervention for us.

> >

> > Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> > (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he

got

> > little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks,

my

> > son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip

of

> > tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> > perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

> >

> > For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

> him,

> > and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

> him

> > one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> > tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> > there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> > almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

> > can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

> point

> > to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

> help

> > bring the B12 levels up?

> >

> > The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> > changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Anne

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Abid, answers in CAPS.

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> > will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has

been

> a

> > very good intervention for us.

> >

> > Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> > (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he

got

> > little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks,

my

> > son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip

of

> > tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> > perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

> >

> > For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

> him,

> > and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

> him

> > one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> > tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> > there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> > almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

> > can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

> point

> > to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

> help

> > bring the B12 levels up?

> >

> > The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> > changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Anne

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Rehana I just responded to this.

Gayatri

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> > will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has

been

> a

> > very good intervention for us.

> >

> > Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> > (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he

got

> > little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks,

my

> > son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip

of

> > tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> > perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

> >

> > For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

> him,

> > and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

> him

> > one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> > tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> > there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> > almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

> > can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

> point

> > to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

> help

> > bring the B12 levels up?

> >

> > The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> > changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Anne

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Rehana I just responded to this.

Gayatri

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> > will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has

been

> a

> > very good intervention for us.

> >

> > Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> > (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he

got

> > little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks,

my

> > son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip

of

> > tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> > perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

> >

> > For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

> him,

> > and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

> him

> > one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> > tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> > there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> > almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

> > can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

> point

> > to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

> help

> > bring the B12 levels up?

> >

> > The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> > changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Anne

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Rehana I just responded to this.

Gayatri

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> > will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has

been

> a

> > very good intervention for us.

> >

> > Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> > (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he

got

> > little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks,

my

> > son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip

of

> > tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> > perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

> >

> > For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

> him,

> > and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

> him

> > one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> > tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> > there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> > almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

> > can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

> point

> > to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

> help

> > bring the B12 levels up?

> >

> > The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> > changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Anne

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Gayatri, thanks for pointing that out. My son got red ears and red

cheeks the first days of Valtrex. Yes, that could explain it.

I like a lot Amy Yasko's work and the parent forum/discussion group,

there are lots of valuable info there.

Thanks,

>

> Anne:

>

> Given the prevalent thought that viruses and metals are intertwined

> (for lack of a better word) and that the presence of metals (and

> viruses) inhibit the enzymes that run the methylation cycles, it

> really is not surprising at all. In fact my personal opinion is

that

> the sulphation pathways are affected by viruses as well. Have you

> seen any red ears whilst on Valtrex (running out of the PST

enzyme).

> What I love about Yasko and her diagrams is that I have actually

> begun to understand this stuff!!

>

> http://www.holistichealth.com/genetics.htm

>

> See the 6th diagram with the metals.

>

> Gayatri

[Guest guest]

Gayatri, thanks for pointing that out. My son got red ears and red

cheeks the first days of Valtrex. Yes, that could explain it.

I like a lot Amy Yasko's work and the parent forum/discussion group,

there are lots of valuable info there.

Thanks,

>

> Anne:

>

> Given the prevalent thought that viruses and metals are intertwined

> (for lack of a better word) and that the presence of metals (and

> viruses) inhibit the enzymes that run the methylation cycles, it

> really is not surprising at all. In fact my personal opinion is

that

> the sulphation pathways are affected by viruses as well. Have you

> seen any red ears whilst on Valtrex (running out of the PST

enzyme).

> What I love about Yasko and her diagrams is that I have actually

> begun to understand this stuff!!

>

> http://www.holistichealth.com/genetics.htm

>

> See the 6th diagram with the metals.

>

> Gayatri

[Guest guest]

I should qualify that my son has had severe sulphur issues

in the past, even whilst his measles titres were mildly to

moderately elevated, not superhigh. Maybe the sulphur problem is

what makes his health issues more severe, he is also a seizures kid.

What makes it even more strange is that he is a COMT++ kid and

should be having a lower metal and viral load, but I think

everything is connected and maybe the sulphur problem colors the

picture.

Gayatri

> >

> > Anne:

> >

> > Given the prevalent thought that viruses and metals are

intertwined

> > (for lack of a better word) and that the presence of metals (and

> > viruses) inhibit the enzymes that run the methylation cycles, it

> > really is not surprising at all. In fact my personal opinion is

> that

> > the sulphation pathways are affected by viruses as well. Have

you

> > seen any red ears whilst on Valtrex (running out of the PST

> enzyme).

> > What I love about Yasko and her diagrams is that I have actually

> > begun to understand this stuff!!

> >

> > http://www.holistichealth.com/genetics.htm

> >

> > See the 6th diagram with the metals.

> >

> > Gayatri

>

[Guest guest]

I should qualify that my son has had severe sulphur issues

in the past, even whilst his measles titres were mildly to

moderately elevated, not superhigh. Maybe the sulphur problem is

what makes his health issues more severe, he is also a seizures kid.

What makes it even more strange is that he is a COMT++ kid and

should be having a lower metal and viral load, but I think

everything is connected and maybe the sulphur problem colors the

picture.

Gayatri

> >

> > Anne:

> >

> > Given the prevalent thought that viruses and metals are

intertwined

> > (for lack of a better word) and that the presence of metals (and

> > viruses) inhibit the enzymes that run the methylation cycles, it

> > really is not surprising at all. In fact my personal opinion is

> that

> > the sulphation pathways are affected by viruses as well. Have

you

> > seen any red ears whilst on Valtrex (running out of the PST

> enzyme).

> > What I love about Yasko and her diagrams is that I have actually

> > begun to understand this stuff!!

> >

> > http://www.holistichealth.com/genetics.htm

> >

> > See the 6th diagram with the metals.

> >

> > Gayatri

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My son has been on Valtrex for about 4 months. I don't think it

> will be the thing that ultimately recovers my son, but it has been

a

> very good intervention for us.

>

> Here is my question: My son was never able to tolerate any MB12

> (whether by injection or spray) until fairly recently (and he got

> little if any benefit from oral MB12). For the last few weeks, my

> son has been showing signs of B12 deficiency (red sides and tip of

> tongue. In fact, it had gotten quite bad. I am thinking that

> perhaps the Valtrex helped open up a methylation pathway....?

>

> For the umpteenth time, I tried the MB12/Folinic nasal spray on

him,

> and lo and behold, he is tolerating it fine. I have been giving

him

> one spray each morning for the last week, without problems. The

> tongue has improved some, but the signs of deficiency are still

> there. If I am right that this is a B12 deficiency sign, it is

> almost like he needs lots of B12 now. Is that possible? How much

> can I give him? Does anyone else know what these signs could

point

> to? Any other deficiency I may be missing? Any co-factors to

help

> bring the B12 levels up?

>

> The only thing that annoys me about the Valtrex is that it has

> changed things so much I can't figure out what the heck to do!

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Anne

i dont have the answers for you but when tami gets back from hbot

she may be able to give some insight to the changes and toleration

changes she had to adjust with liver life i only know she took out

mb12 no longer needed it(anyone else can feel free to chime in) and

it may be similiar to you. though i trialed mb12 with my oldest and

he didnt seem to respond either way i thought he didnt need it, but

after reading your post and some about it possibly helping the

pathways i may have to try again. we are on week 7 now of valtrex so

i will give it a bit more time.

>