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Hello Colleen, Congrats on your progress! My son spits a real lot! You wrote below: "He also used to spit a lot due to thrush, that stopped too. " My questions: 1. What is "thrush"? 2. What made the spitting stop? Diflucan? Liver life? valtrex? -- some combination of these? Thank you!abelcstkd <colleen605@...> wrote: Stan and group,Well, I have been busy, have not visited the board for a few weeks and Tami starts talking about me! LOL, I love ya Tami!!!! Stan, I am the "friend" Tami was speaking of, Dylan has been on Valtrex for 90 days now and we have used LL

since the begining. Dylan has always had yeast and gut issues, pretty severe too. His urine always smelled like bread dough, he would get yeast infections in his mouth, throat, ears, on his scalp, he was always in pain, and this of course affects behavior. His diet was strict GFCF for 4+ years, even worked our way to SCD. When he started valtrex I made sure he was on diflucan, ready for the yeast overgrowth. He took it for the first 14 days then I did not refill it. He has not had ANY issues with yeast, no behaviors, no scabs, peeling toes, rashes, eczema, head banging, giggling, night wakings, white tongue, dough smelling urine...nothing. He looks healthier than he has in his 8 years of life, he has a beautiful color to his skin, his hair feels softer, his eyes no longer have purple shiners, his daily stools are perfect form, texture, color, odor (not foul) and pass with

ease. He is no longer gassy (this kid used to clear a room at school), he no longer digs in his rear or pulls on his private (burning from yeast). He used to walk around with his shoulders shrugged because his ear pain from yeast was unbareble. He also used to spit a lot due to thrush, that stopped too. No diflucan, no natural yeast fighters such as caprylic acid, GSE, no more enzymes and no more probiotics. I have been able to stop all of these since starting LL (or once his pH was a consistent 5.8).Improvements since starting VALTREX. I feel with a properly functioning liver, a healthy gut and no presence of yeast 9overgrowth) he has had a superior response to valtrex. He is in first grade this year and is going into 3rd grade next year. He started the year able to count to 13, 18 on a good day. He counts to 100+. He could only draw a circle with a

smile in it with arms (person) he now can draw animals like elephants (and will write the word "elephant" independently underneath), snowmen, pigs, owls, houses, cars....he can add double digit math problems, is subtracting, learning to tell time (can look at the clock and know when its lunchtime), reads, writes, spells, uses ASL in sentences to let you know his wants/needs. Wants to play board games and always requests that we sit with him, he never wants to be alone, he wants to interact. He makes eye contact for permission i.e., instead of just taking a fruit snack, he will look at you waiting for a nod of approval. He will clear the table after meals, rinse the dishes, wipe the table. He dresses himself for school without being told, he will go to the room, select his clothes, put them on, before I had to lay his clothes out and say, "Dylan, put on your clothes." If I say, "It's time

for school" he knows w/o prompt to get his shoes on, get his coat on and get his backpack. He is calm, compliant sits in the 1st grade room for 45 - 60 minutes (start of school year 5 minutes was a "great" day.) He plays with kids on the playground, waits in line, takes turns.This is a kid who last year had to have his aide hover him at all times because he was easily frustrated, he hit, kicked and pulled hair of his peers and aides. He screamed and never would enter the kindergarten room. He spent his whole day in the special ed room alone and preferred it that way. He never did any work because he required constant sensory input and soothing. He cried half the day and threw objects and was violent the other half of the day. He ate alone, never went to music, art or gym with his classmates as he could not tolerate the noise. Now he participates in every part of the

day with his class.Valtrex ~ regression, well he had chapped lips, a tiny eczema patch on his belly, a cold sore and one day was red all over his legs (that went away in a few hours). Verbal, says a handful of words daily now, as well as finally imitating sounds, begining sounds and always tries to use his verbal to communicate, no longer gets frustrated when we try to make him "talk". I hope this information helps, blessings,ColleenMom to Dylan, 8 years old > ---- Original Message ----> From: wtwilken@...> mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: Tami/ Liver life question> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 04:20:18 -0000> > ><html><body>> >> >> >My son is very close to recovery, it's driving me nuts. I do believe> ><BR>> >if he got rediagnosed right now, he'd

lose his label. Though> >that <BR>> >doesn't mean he doesn't still have issues. I am very thankful (I <BR>> >thank God daily for where my son is right now) but it's like we are> ><BR>> >running around in circles looking for the final piece. In> >school, <BR>> >he's doing amazing. He does good socially and has many friends> >but <BR>> >is still immature for his age though gaining some seriously good <BR>> >ground since LL. He's on a regular T-ball team and is doing> >well. <BR>> >Though tonight he got mad cause another kid got to the ball before> ><BR>> >him. He talks well but lately likes to spell "poop" or> >"pee" a lot <BR>> >to make himself laugh. That is getting old, real quick, let me> >tell

<BR>> >ya. LOL But then again, I am thankful that he can spell> >both those <BR>> >words (and tons of others). 9 months ago, this wasn't> >something he <BR>> >could do, much less wanted to do.<BR>> ><BR>> >My son's gut is not healed. It was much better until we added> >in <BR>> >the LDN. Then it became a mess. After adding in Liver> >Life, it got <BR>> >so much better and I dare say...functioned so normal but <BR>> >then....stupid me...wondered if he needed LDN anymore. He had> >been <BR>> >able to take away so many other things that I thought it would be a> ><BR>> >good time to try taking the LDN away. He had been on LDN for> >over <BR>> >six months, but not at full

dose. This was about three months> ><BR>> >ago. I took it away and within a week felt him slipping> >in <BR>> >skills. His gut became a mess again. He was having potty> ><BR>> >accidents, weird stools and definite constipation so I added LDN <BR>> >back in. I feel like I am stuck. If I take the LDN> >away, his gut <BR>> >gets worse and he regresses. IF I raise the LDN to full dose,> >his <BR>> >gut gets worse, it's painful and he's a nightmare to be around. > >But <BR>> >I read that until you get to full dose, it may not switch from Th2> ><BR>> >back to Th1.<BR>> ><BR>> >The only thing I feel like I haven't addressed are the virals. We've> ><BR>> >been

doing biomed for over 6 years (GFCF with enzymes, secretin, <BR>> >chelation with DMSA, TD DMPS, NDF Plus, NDF, LDN, vitamins, <BR>> >minerals, MB12 shots for a year, Liver Life...and more) and I had> ><BR>> >always heard that once the metals were gone, the virals will <BR>> >be "released." Well that's not happening with my> >son. I can't <BR>> >imagine why he would react so severely to raising the dose of LDN> ><BR>> >(cold sores, bloated tummy, constipation, orange chunky poops, pain)> ><BR>> >if the virals weren't such a burden for him. I am definitely> ><BR>> >nervous to try Valtrex, but I think it's something that just makes> ><BR>> >sense as we peel his onion of issues and see what's left. OH> >and we <BR>>

>are doing HBOT at Miracle MOuntain in June, so maybe that will help> ><BR>> >the viral/gut issues too.<BR>> ><BR>> >My friends son is nonverbal but talks more and more each day. > >He <BR>> >was held back in first grade (same as Gavin) but is doing so well> ><BR>> >now that he's skipping to the 3rd grade. Her son's doing some <BR>> >serious rapid recovery in all areas including the gut. IT's> >amazing <BR>> >to hear her son's story. She posts here so I don't want to be> >the <BR>> >one to tell it all. It seems like his only issue now is getting> >his <BR>> >words out much more consistently. I wonder if the only thing> >that <BR>> >he needs is time for that to happen. It's very exciting.<BR>>

><BR>> >MY best,<BR>> >TamiW<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > <BR>> >><BR>> >> Hi Tami,<BR>> >> <BR>> >> What are the issues your son has... and this person who did well> ><BR>> >on Valtrex?<BR>> >> <BR>> >> - Stan<BR>

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Hello Colleen, Congrats on your progress! My son spits a real lot! You wrote below: "He also used to spit a lot due to thrush, that stopped too. " My questions: 1. What is "thrush"? 2. What made the spitting stop? Diflucan? Liver life? valtrex? -- some combination of these? Thank you!abelcstkd <colleen605@...> wrote: Stan and group,Well, I have been busy, have not visited the board for a few weeks and Tami starts talking about me! LOL, I love ya Tami!!!! Stan, I am the "friend" Tami was speaking of, Dylan has been on Valtrex for 90 days now and we have used LL

since the begining. Dylan has always had yeast and gut issues, pretty severe too. His urine always smelled like bread dough, he would get yeast infections in his mouth, throat, ears, on his scalp, he was always in pain, and this of course affects behavior. His diet was strict GFCF for 4+ years, even worked our way to SCD. When he started valtrex I made sure he was on diflucan, ready for the yeast overgrowth. He took it for the first 14 days then I did not refill it. He has not had ANY issues with yeast, no behaviors, no scabs, peeling toes, rashes, eczema, head banging, giggling, night wakings, white tongue, dough smelling urine...nothing. He looks healthier than he has in his 8 years of life, he has a beautiful color to his skin, his hair feels softer, his eyes no longer have purple shiners, his daily stools are perfect form, texture, color, odor (not foul) and pass with

ease. He is no longer gassy (this kid used to clear a room at school), he no longer digs in his rear or pulls on his private (burning from yeast). He used to walk around with his shoulders shrugged because his ear pain from yeast was unbareble. He also used to spit a lot due to thrush, that stopped too. No diflucan, no natural yeast fighters such as caprylic acid, GSE, no more enzymes and no more probiotics. I have been able to stop all of these since starting LL (or once his pH was a consistent 5.8).Improvements since starting VALTREX. I feel with a properly functioning liver, a healthy gut and no presence of yeast 9overgrowth) he has had a superior response to valtrex. He is in first grade this year and is going into 3rd grade next year. He started the year able to count to 13, 18 on a good day. He counts to 100+. He could only draw a circle with a

smile in it with arms (person) he now can draw animals like elephants (and will write the word "elephant" independently underneath), snowmen, pigs, owls, houses, cars....he can add double digit math problems, is subtracting, learning to tell time (can look at the clock and know when its lunchtime), reads, writes, spells, uses ASL in sentences to let you know his wants/needs. Wants to play board games and always requests that we sit with him, he never wants to be alone, he wants to interact. He makes eye contact for permission i.e., instead of just taking a fruit snack, he will look at you waiting for a nod of approval. He will clear the table after meals, rinse the dishes, wipe the table. He dresses himself for school without being told, he will go to the room, select his clothes, put them on, before I had to lay his clothes out and say, "Dylan, put on your clothes." If I say, "It's time

for school" he knows w/o prompt to get his shoes on, get his coat on and get his backpack. He is calm, compliant sits in the 1st grade room for 45 - 60 minutes (start of school year 5 minutes was a "great" day.) He plays with kids on the playground, waits in line, takes turns.This is a kid who last year had to have his aide hover him at all times because he was easily frustrated, he hit, kicked and pulled hair of his peers and aides. He screamed and never would enter the kindergarten room. He spent his whole day in the special ed room alone and preferred it that way. He never did any work because he required constant sensory input and soothing. He cried half the day and threw objects and was violent the other half of the day. He ate alone, never went to music, art or gym with his classmates as he could not tolerate the noise. Now he participates in every part of the

day with his class.Valtrex ~ regression, well he had chapped lips, a tiny eczema patch on his belly, a cold sore and one day was red all over his legs (that went away in a few hours). Verbal, says a handful of words daily now, as well as finally imitating sounds, begining sounds and always tries to use his verbal to communicate, no longer gets frustrated when we try to make him "talk". I hope this information helps, blessings,ColleenMom to Dylan, 8 years old > ---- Original Message ----> From: wtwilken@...> mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: Tami/ Liver life question> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 04:20:18 -0000> > ><html><body>> >> >> >My son is very close to recovery, it's driving me nuts. I do believe> ><BR>> >if he got rediagnosed right now, he'd

lose his label. Though> >that <BR>> >doesn't mean he doesn't still have issues. I am very thankful (I <BR>> >thank God daily for where my son is right now) but it's like we are> ><BR>> >running around in circles looking for the final piece. In> >school, <BR>> >he's doing amazing. He does good socially and has many friends> >but <BR>> >is still immature for his age though gaining some seriously good <BR>> >ground since LL. He's on a regular T-ball team and is doing> >well. <BR>> >Though tonight he got mad cause another kid got to the ball before> ><BR>> >him. He talks well but lately likes to spell "poop" or> >"pee" a lot <BR>> >to make himself laugh. That is getting old, real quick, let me> >tell

<BR>> >ya. LOL But then again, I am thankful that he can spell> >both those <BR>> >words (and tons of others). 9 months ago, this wasn't> >something he <BR>> >could do, much less wanted to do.<BR>> ><BR>> >My son's gut is not healed. It was much better until we added> >in <BR>> >the LDN. Then it became a mess. After adding in Liver> >Life, it got <BR>> >so much better and I dare say...functioned so normal but <BR>> >then....stupid me...wondered if he needed LDN anymore. He had> >been <BR>> >able to take away so many other things that I thought it would be a> ><BR>> >good time to try taking the LDN away. He had been on LDN for> >over <BR>> >six months, but not at full

dose. This was about three months> ><BR>> >ago. I took it away and within a week felt him slipping> >in <BR>> >skills. His gut became a mess again. He was having potty> ><BR>> >accidents, weird stools and definite constipation so I added LDN <BR>> >back in. I feel like I am stuck. If I take the LDN> >away, his gut <BR>> >gets worse and he regresses. IF I raise the LDN to full dose,> >his <BR>> >gut gets worse, it's painful and he's a nightmare to be around. > >But <BR>> >I read that until you get to full dose, it may not switch from Th2> ><BR>> >back to Th1.<BR>> ><BR>> >The only thing I feel like I haven't addressed are the virals. We've> ><BR>> >been

doing biomed for over 6 years (GFCF with enzymes, secretin, <BR>> >chelation with DMSA, TD DMPS, NDF Plus, NDF, LDN, vitamins, <BR>> >minerals, MB12 shots for a year, Liver Life...and more) and I had> ><BR>> >always heard that once the metals were gone, the virals will <BR>> >be "released." Well that's not happening with my> >son. I can't <BR>> >imagine why he would react so severely to raising the dose of LDN> ><BR>> >(cold sores, bloated tummy, constipation, orange chunky poops, pain)> ><BR>> >if the virals weren't such a burden for him. I am definitely> ><BR>> >nervous to try Valtrex, but I think it's something that just makes> ><BR>> >sense as we peel his onion of issues and see what's left. OH> >and we <BR>>

>are doing HBOT at Miracle MOuntain in June, so maybe that will help> ><BR>> >the viral/gut issues too.<BR>> ><BR>> >My friends son is nonverbal but talks more and more each day. > >He <BR>> >was held back in first grade (same as Gavin) but is doing so well> ><BR>> >now that he's skipping to the 3rd grade. Her son's doing some <BR>> >serious rapid recovery in all areas including the gut. IT's> >amazing <BR>> >to hear her son's story. She posts here so I don't want to be> >the <BR>> >one to tell it all. It seems like his only issue now is getting> >his <BR>> >words out much more consistently. I wonder if the only thing> >that <BR>> >he needs is time for that to happen. It's very exciting.<BR>>

><BR>> >MY best,<BR>> >TamiW<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > <BR>> >><BR>> >> Hi Tami,<BR>> >> <BR>> >> What are the issues your son has... and this person who did well> ><BR>> >on Valtrex?<BR>> >> <BR>> >> - Stan<BR>

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Colleen,

I was wondering what your son's urine pH was before he started using LL?

Thanks,

Sheryl

Re: Tami/ Liver life question> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 04:20:18 -0000> > ><html><body>> >> >> >My son is very close to recovery, it's driving me nuts. I do believe> ><BR>> >if he got rediagnosed right now, he'd lose his label. Though> >that <BR>> >doesn't mean he doesn't still have issues. I am very thankful (I <BR>> >thank God daily for where my son is right now) but it's like we are> ><BR>> >running around in circles looking for the final piece. In> >school, <BR>> >he's doing amazing. He does good socially and has many friends> >but <BR>> >is still immature for his age though gaining some seriously good <BR>> >ground since LL. He's on a regular T-ball team and is doing> >well. <BR>> >Though tonight he got mad cause another kid got to the ball before> ><BR>> >him. He talks well but lately likes to spell "poop" or> >"pee" a lot <BR>> >to make himself laugh. That is getting old, real quick, let me> >tell <BR>> >ya. LOL But then again, I am thankful that he can spell> >both those <BR>> >words (and tons of others). 9 months ago, this wasn't> >something he <BR>> >could do, much less wanted to do.<BR>> ><BR>> >My son's gut is not healed. It was much better until we added> >in <BR>> >the LDN. Then it became a mess. After adding in Liver> >Life, it got <BR>> >so much better and I dare say...functioned so normal but <BR>> >then....stupid me...wondered if he needed LDN anymore. He had> >been <BR>> >able to take away so many other things that I thought it would be a> ><BR>> >good time to try taking the LDN away. He had been on LDN for> >over <BR>> >six months, but not at full dose. This was about three months> ><BR>> >ago. I took it away and within a week felt him slipping> >in <BR>> >skills. His gut became a mess again. He was having potty> ><BR>> >accidents, weird stools and definite constipation so I added LDN <BR>> >back in. I feel like I am stuck. If I take the LDN> >away, his gut <BR>> >gets worse and he regresses. IF I raise the LDN to full dose,> >his <BR>> >gut gets worse, it's painful and he's a nightmare to be around. > >But <BR>> >I read that until you get to full dose, it may not switch from Th2> ><BR>> >back to Th1.<BR>> ><BR>> >The only thing I feel like I haven't addressed are the virals. We've> ><BR>> >been doing biomed for over 6 years (GFCF with enzymes, secretin, <BR>> >chelation with DMSA, TD DMPS, NDF Plus, NDF, LDN, vitamins, <BR>> >minerals, MB12 shots for a year, Liver Life...and more) and I had> ><BR>> >always heard that once the metals were gone, the virals will <BR>> >be "released." Well that's not happening with my> >son. I can't <BR>> >imagine why he would react so severely to raising the dose of LDN> ><BR>> >(cold sores, bloated tummy, constipation, orange chunky poops, pain)> ><BR>> >if the virals weren't such a burden for him. I am definitely> ><BR>> >nervous to try Valtrex, but I think it's something that just makes> ><BR>> >sense as we peel his onion of issues and see what's left. OH> >and we <BR>> >are doing HBOT at Miracle MOuntain in June, so maybe that will help> ><BR>> >the viral/gut issues too.<BR>> ><BR>> >My friends son is nonverbal but talks more and more each day. > >He <BR>> >was held back in first grade (same as Gavin) but is doing so well> ><BR>> >now that he's skipping to the 3rd grade. Her son's doing some <BR>> >serious rapid recovery in all areas including the gut. IT's> >amazing <BR>> >to hear her son's story. She posts here so I don't want to be> >the <BR>> >one to tell it all. It seems like his only issue now is getting> >his <BR>> >words out much more consistently. I wonder if the only thing> >that <BR>> >he needs is time for that to happen. It's very exciting.<BR>> ><BR>> >MY best,<BR>> >TamiW<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > <BR>> >><BR>> >> Hi Tami,<BR>> >> <BR>> >> What are the issues your son has... and this person who did well> ><BR>> >on Valtrex?<BR>> >> <BR>> >> - Stan<BR>

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Colleen,

I was wondering what your son's urine pH was before he started using LL?

Thanks,

Sheryl

Re: Tami/ Liver life question> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 04:20:18 -0000> > ><html><body>> >> >> >My son is very close to recovery, it's driving me nuts. I do believe> ><BR>> >if he got rediagnosed right now, he'd lose his label. Though> >that <BR>> >doesn't mean he doesn't still have issues. I am very thankful (I <BR>> >thank God daily for where my son is right now) but it's like we are> ><BR>> >running around in circles looking for the final piece. In> >school, <BR>> >he's doing amazing. He does good socially and has many friends> >but <BR>> >is still immature for his age though gaining some seriously good <BR>> >ground since LL. He's on a regular T-ball team and is doing> >well. <BR>> >Though tonight he got mad cause another kid got to the ball before> ><BR>> >him. He talks well but lately likes to spell "poop" or> >"pee" a lot <BR>> >to make himself laugh. That is getting old, real quick, let me> >tell <BR>> >ya. LOL But then again, I am thankful that he can spell> >both those <BR>> >words (and tons of others). 9 months ago, this wasn't> >something he <BR>> >could do, much less wanted to do.<BR>> ><BR>> >My son's gut is not healed. It was much better until we added> >in <BR>> >the LDN. Then it became a mess. After adding in Liver> >Life, it got <BR>> >so much better and I dare say...functioned so normal but <BR>> >then....stupid me...wondered if he needed LDN anymore. He had> >been <BR>> >able to take away so many other things that I thought it would be a> ><BR>> >good time to try taking the LDN away. He had been on LDN for> >over <BR>> >six months, but not at full dose. This was about three months> ><BR>> >ago. I took it away and within a week felt him slipping> >in <BR>> >skills. His gut became a mess again. He was having potty> ><BR>> >accidents, weird stools and definite constipation so I added LDN <BR>> >back in. I feel like I am stuck. If I take the LDN> >away, his gut <BR>> >gets worse and he regresses. IF I raise the LDN to full dose,> >his <BR>> >gut gets worse, it's painful and he's a nightmare to be around. > >But <BR>> >I read that until you get to full dose, it may not switch from Th2> ><BR>> >back to Th1.<BR>> ><BR>> >The only thing I feel like I haven't addressed are the virals. We've> ><BR>> >been doing biomed for over 6 years (GFCF with enzymes, secretin, <BR>> >chelation with DMSA, TD DMPS, NDF Plus, NDF, LDN, vitamins, <BR>> >minerals, MB12 shots for a year, Liver Life...and more) and I had> ><BR>> >always heard that once the metals were gone, the virals will <BR>> >be "released." Well that's not happening with my> >son. I can't <BR>> >imagine why he would react so severely to raising the dose of LDN> ><BR>> >(cold sores, bloated tummy, constipation, orange chunky poops, pain)> ><BR>> >if the virals weren't such a burden for him. I am definitely> ><BR>> >nervous to try Valtrex, but I think it's something that just makes> ><BR>> >sense as we peel his onion of issues and see what's left. OH> >and we <BR>> >are doing HBOT at Miracle MOuntain in June, so maybe that will help> ><BR>> >the viral/gut issues too.<BR>> ><BR>> >My friends son is nonverbal but talks more and more each day. > >He <BR>> >was held back in first grade (same as Gavin) but is doing so well> ><BR>> >now that he's skipping to the 3rd grade. Her son's doing some <BR>> >serious rapid recovery in all areas including the gut. IT's> >amazing <BR>> >to hear her son's story. She posts here so I don't want to be> >the <BR>> >one to tell it all. It seems like his only issue now is getting> >his <BR>> >words out much more consistently. I wonder if the only thing> >that <BR>> >he needs is time for that to happen. It's very exciting.<BR>> ><BR>> >MY best,<BR>> >TamiW<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > <BR>> >><BR>> >> Hi Tami,<BR>> >> <BR>> >> What are the issues your son has... and this person who did well> ><BR>> >on Valtrex?<BR>> >> <BR>> >> - Stan<BR>

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It was over 8.0. The test strips that I have go as high as 8.0 and

the color it turns for 8.0 is dark purple, my son would turn it

black! He is now 5.8.

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