Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 We don't have a pool, but I share your concern about the chlorine, etc. I took my ADHD daugther for swim lessons last year and she had a terrible reaction every time. I gave her molebdenum (sp?) prior to every lesson, only let her be in the water for the 1/2 hour lesson, showered immediately after and put epsom salt cream on. She had lessons every week night and consistenly had severe leg/arm pains that started within an hour of every lesson, dark circles under her eyes and was much more hostile/hyper than normal. The pains didn't occur on weekends but started again during the week after every lesson. I don't know if it was the chlorine, copper or some other chemical but it was really bad. Chlorine has always bothered me so we have filters on the showers, etc. at home. I was planning on starting my ASD son (3yrs) swim lessons this summer but I can't risk it until I find a lake or beach for them. I found out last fall that my children have problems with oxalates and Owens has posted some on chlorine and oxalates so that was probably a contributing factor. > > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I published PDF document here > called: > > " Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A review of medical literature about > chlorine in pool water. " > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around. > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf > > - Stan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 We don't have a pool, but I share your concern about the chlorine, etc. I took my ADHD daugther for swim lessons last year and she had a terrible reaction every time. I gave her molebdenum (sp?) prior to every lesson, only let her be in the water for the 1/2 hour lesson, showered immediately after and put epsom salt cream on. She had lessons every week night and consistenly had severe leg/arm pains that started within an hour of every lesson, dark circles under her eyes and was much more hostile/hyper than normal. The pains didn't occur on weekends but started again during the week after every lesson. I don't know if it was the chlorine, copper or some other chemical but it was really bad. Chlorine has always bothered me so we have filters on the showers, etc. at home. I was planning on starting my ASD son (3yrs) swim lessons this summer but I can't risk it until I find a lake or beach for them. I found out last fall that my children have problems with oxalates and Owens has posted some on chlorine and oxalates so that was probably a contributing factor. > > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I published PDF document here > called: > > " Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A review of medical literature about > chlorine in pool water. " > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around. > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf > > - Stan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I was wondering if anyone read that document. It will be interesting if you try some taurine prior and the magnesium sulfate cream after if that helps at all (since it sounds like you will be getting into a chlorine pool). Let me know. - Stan > > > > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I published > PDF document here > > called: > > > > " Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A review of > medical literature about > > chlorine in pool water. " > > > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around. > > > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf > > > > - Stan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I was wondering if anyone read that document. It will be interesting if you try some taurine prior and the magnesium sulfate cream after if that helps at all (since it sounds like you will be getting into a chlorine pool). Let me know. - Stan > > > > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I published > PDF document here > > called: > > > > " Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A review of > medical literature about > > chlorine in pool water. " > > > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around. > > > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf > > > > - Stan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 since my grandson swims all the time(he started in the YMCA special program 5 years ago) and is a fantiastic swimmer and LOVES it-we use magnesium chloride in the bathtub from Essence of Life. Woner if that helps as well. I cannot imagine taking away his swimming. Stan Kurtz <kurtzstan@...> wrote: I was wondering if anyone read that document. It will be interesting if you try some taurine prior and the magnesium sulfate cream after if that helps at all (since it sounds like you will be getting into a chlorine pool). Let me know.- Stan> >> > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I published > PDF document here > > called:> > > > "Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A review of > medical literature about > > chlorine in pool water."> > > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around.> > > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf> > > > - Stan> >> Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 since my grandson swims all the time(he started in the YMCA special program 5 years ago) and is a fantiastic swimmer and LOVES it-we use magnesium chloride in the bathtub from Essence of Life. Woner if that helps as well. I cannot imagine taking away his swimming. Stan Kurtz <kurtzstan@...> wrote: I was wondering if anyone read that document. It will be interesting if you try some taurine prior and the magnesium sulfate cream after if that helps at all (since it sounds like you will be getting into a chlorine pool). Let me know.- Stan> >> > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I published > PDF document here > > called:> > > > "Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A review of > medical literature about > > chlorine in pool water."> > > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around.> > > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf> > > > - Stan> >> Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I took all the known precautions and it was still pretty bad. I had heard about molydenum (help with copper?) but not taurine. My kids are already on 1000+mg/day taurine. Do you know how much to take prior? She still talks about how bad she felt after her swimming lessons. I am glad it wasn't my son because he couldn't have told me how he was feeling or what was wrong. I am sure her reaction is rare, and I still believe it is important to teach them to swim. However, I am going to have to wait until they are doing better. > > > > > > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I published > > PDF document here > > > called: > > > > > > " Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A review of > > medical literature about > > > chlorine in pool water. " > > > > > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around. > > > > > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf > > > > > > - Stan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I took all the known precautions and it was still pretty bad. I had heard about molydenum (help with copper?) but not taurine. My kids are already on 1000+mg/day taurine. Do you know how much to take prior? She still talks about how bad she felt after her swimming lessons. I am glad it wasn't my son because he couldn't have told me how he was feeling or what was wrong. I am sure her reaction is rare, and I still believe it is important to teach them to swim. However, I am going to have to wait until they are doing better. > > > > > > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I published > > PDF document here > > > called: > > > > > > " Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A review of > > medical literature about > > > chlorine in pool water. " > > > > > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around. > > > > > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf > > > > > > - Stan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I took all the known precautions and it was still pretty bad. I had heard about molydenum (help with copper?) but not taurine. My kids are already on 1000+mg/day taurine. Do you know how much to take prior? She still talks about how bad she felt after her swimming lessons. I am glad it wasn't my son because he couldn't have told me how he was feeling or what was wrong. I am sure her reaction is rare, and I still believe it is important to teach them to swim. However, I am going to have to wait until they are doing better. > > > > > > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I published > > PDF document here > > > called: > > > > > > " Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A review of > > medical literature about > > > chlorine in pool water. " > > > > > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around. > > > > > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf > > > > > > - Stan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 If my child responded like this, I wouldn't reintroduce them to chlorine. I would seriously look at getting a saline pool system. - Stan > > > > > > > > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I > published > > > PDF document here > > > > called: > > > > > > > > " Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A > review of > > > medical literature about > > > > chlorine in pool water. " > > > > > > > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around. > > > > > > > > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf > > > > > > > > - Stan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 If my child responded like this, I wouldn't reintroduce them to chlorine. I would seriously look at getting a saline pool system. - Stan > > > > > > > > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I > published > > > PDF document here > > > > called: > > > > > > > > " Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A > review of > > > medical literature about > > > > chlorine in pool water. " > > > > > > > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around. > > > > > > > > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf > > > > > > > > - Stan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 If my child responded like this, I wouldn't reintroduce them to chlorine. I would seriously look at getting a saline pool system. - Stan > > > > > > > > With summer coming and questions about chlorine in pools I > published > > > PDF document here > > > > called: > > > > > > > > " Just When You Thought It Was Safe To Go In The Water. A > review of > > > medical literature about > > > > chlorine in pool water. " > > > > > > > > Feel free to read it, comment, and pass it around. > > > > > > > > > http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/documents/chlorinewater.pdf > > > > > > > > - Stan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 > I also use epson salts as well and we haven't had a problem, but I would be more > concerned if my son wasn't doing as well. This year we are installing a saline system just > in case. > > I hope my little paper didn't infer that I think our kids should stop swimming. I just think > we need to either get the chlorine out of our pools or protect them from it as best as we > can if they go in. > > If we can prevent some toxicity using taurine prior and magnesium cream after (if our kids > swim elsewhere or we don't change our pools over)... and epson salts in the bath... then I > think we'll be helping our kids. > > - Stan Where can I get magnesium cream? My kids also have a negative reaction to chlorine. We used to do epsom salt baths after swimming but I need an alternative now. We can no longer do epsom salt baths because our bath tub tested positive for lead. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 > I also use epson salts as well and we haven't had a problem, but I would be more > concerned if my son wasn't doing as well. This year we are installing a saline system just > in case. > > I hope my little paper didn't infer that I think our kids should stop swimming. I just think > we need to either get the chlorine out of our pools or protect them from it as best as we > can if they go in. > > If we can prevent some toxicity using taurine prior and magnesium cream after (if our kids > swim elsewhere or we don't change our pools over)... and epson salts in the bath... then I > think we'll be helping our kids. > > - Stan Where can I get magnesium cream? My kids also have a negative reaction to chlorine. We used to do epsom salt baths after swimming but I need an alternative now. We can no longer do epsom salt baths because our bath tub tested positive for lead. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 --- hanjkyla <kyleac@...> wrote: [snip] > Where can I get magnesium cream? > > Kirman's sells magnesium sulfate cream. Also I read, probably on another listserv, that you can make your own by mixing magnesium salts (epsom salts) with emu oil or some other hypoallergenic oil or lotion. mother of Adam __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Hi , Neat idea! But I'm not sure how you would figure out the dosage. It think it's only 1/2 teaspoon of the cream from Kirkman... I wouldn't know how to dose the epsom salts with emu. Maybe there's a simple way and I'm missing it. Is there a simple way? I would just hate to hear folks dose magnesium wrong to save 18 bucks + shipping. - Stan > > [snip] > > Where can I get magnesium cream? > > > > > Kirman's sells magnesium sulfate cream. Also I read, > probably on another listserv, that you can make your > own by mixing magnesium salts (epsom salts) with emu > oil or some other hypoallergenic oil or lotion. > > > mother of Adam > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Hi , Neat idea! But I'm not sure how you would figure out the dosage. It think it's only 1/2 teaspoon of the cream from Kirkman... I wouldn't know how to dose the epsom salts with emu. Maybe there's a simple way and I'm missing it. Is there a simple way? I would just hate to hear folks dose magnesium wrong to save 18 bucks + shipping. - Stan > > [snip] > > Where can I get magnesium cream? > > > > > Kirman's sells magnesium sulfate cream. Also I read, > probably on another listserv, that you can make your > own by mixing magnesium salts (epsom salts) with emu > oil or some other hypoallergenic oil or lotion. > > > mother of Adam > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Stan I don't think dosing is a big deal - you just adjust the amount you use. Even for epsom salts people do anywhere from 1 tbs to 1 cup to 2 cups. You watch your child and decide. What the Kirkman's might have extra would be the ingredient that makes the MgSO4 get into the skin, FWIW its that particular ingredient (forget what its called) that makes my son break out into a rash on the third application :-(. Gayatri > > > > [snip] > > > Where can I get magnesium cream? > > > > > > > > Kirman's sells magnesium sulfate cream. Also I read, > > probably on another listserv, that you can make your > > own by mixing magnesium salts (epsom salts) with emu > > oil or some other hypoallergenic oil or lotion. > > > > > > mother of Adam > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Stan I don't think dosing is a big deal - you just adjust the amount you use. Even for epsom salts people do anywhere from 1 tbs to 1 cup to 2 cups. You watch your child and decide. What the Kirkman's might have extra would be the ingredient that makes the MgSO4 get into the skin, FWIW its that particular ingredient (forget what its called) that makes my son break out into a rash on the third application :-(. Gayatri > > > > [snip] > > > Where can I get magnesium cream? > > > > > > > > Kirman's sells magnesium sulfate cream. Also I read, > > probably on another listserv, that you can make your > > own by mixing magnesium salts (epsom salts) with emu > > oil or some other hypoallergenic oil or lotion. > > > > > > mother of Adam > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 - Hey Stan! That was a GREAT little paper! Came just when I needed this info, too. Last summer we switched from chlorine to H2o2 and it was great, until we all got red hair....and the finish on the pool began to crumble... (We can now laugh about the red hair....Ha! Ha!) But are in the middle of refinishing the ganite are in search of a non-toxic alternative.... So there you have it, Mr. Stan...looks like your little paper appeared at the perfect time! Thanks, ~Angel~ P.S. Thanks for being the " DAN! Roadie Dad " and sharing your experiences. I hope your compiling all this into a book...I can see you on Oprah's book list already! Have a GREAT day! {-- In mb12 valtrex , " Gayatri Rampal " <gayatri_rampal@...> wrote: > > Stan I don't think dosing is a big deal - you just adjust the amount > you use. Even for epsom salts people do anywhere from 1 tbs to 1 cup > to 2 cups. You watch your child and decide. What the Kirkman's might > have extra would be the ingredient that makes the MgSO4 get into the > skin, FWIW its that particular ingredient (forget what its called) > that makes my son break out into a rash on the third application :- (. > > Gayatri > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > Where can I get magnesium cream? > > > > > > > > > > > Kirman's sells magnesium sulfate cream. Also I read, > > > probably on another listserv, that you can make your > > > own by mixing magnesium salts (epsom salts) with emu > > > oil or some other hypoallergenic oil or lotion. > > > > > > > > > mother of Adam > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 - Hey Stan! That was a GREAT little paper! Came just when I needed this info, too. Last summer we switched from chlorine to H2o2 and it was great, until we all got red hair....and the finish on the pool began to crumble... (We can now laugh about the red hair....Ha! Ha!) But are in the middle of refinishing the ganite are in search of a non-toxic alternative.... So there you have it, Mr. Stan...looks like your little paper appeared at the perfect time! Thanks, ~Angel~ P.S. Thanks for being the " DAN! Roadie Dad " and sharing your experiences. I hope your compiling all this into a book...I can see you on Oprah's book list already! Have a GREAT day! {-- In mb12 valtrex , " Gayatri Rampal " <gayatri_rampal@...> wrote: > > Stan I don't think dosing is a big deal - you just adjust the amount > you use. Even for epsom salts people do anywhere from 1 tbs to 1 cup > to 2 cups. You watch your child and decide. What the Kirkman's might > have extra would be the ingredient that makes the MgSO4 get into the > skin, FWIW its that particular ingredient (forget what its called) > that makes my son break out into a rash on the third application :- (. > > Gayatri > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > Where can I get magnesium cream? > > > > > > > > > > > Kirman's sells magnesium sulfate cream. Also I read, > > > probably on another listserv, that you can make your > > > own by mixing magnesium salts (epsom salts) with emu > > > oil or some other hypoallergenic oil or lotion. > > > > > > > > > mother of Adam > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Sorry to hear about the pool and the hair. Thanks for your note. - Stan > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > Where can I get magnesium cream? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kirman's sells magnesium sulfate cream. Also I read, > > > > probably on another listserv, that you can make your > > > > own by mixing magnesium salts (epsom salts) with emu > > > > oil or some other hypoallergenic oil or lotion. > > > > > > > > > > > > mother of Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Sorry to hear about the pool and the hair. Thanks for your note. - Stan > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > Where can I get magnesium cream? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kirman's sells magnesium sulfate cream. Also I read, > > > > probably on another listserv, that you can make your > > > > own by mixing magnesium salts (epsom salts) with emu > > > > oil or some other hypoallergenic oil or lotion. > > > > > > > > > > > > mother of Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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