Re: Some thoughts about the testosterone question...

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Thanks for your insight! Only one thing to add. You stated: "The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. " The Geiers believe that thermisol (mercury) in vaccinations as well as a snipet is the cause of today's epidemic of autism. The snipet is DNA which makes a child susceptible to large amounts of mercury -- they can't detox as well as those without the snipet. Then, mercury and testosterone form sheets and get stuck in the body to cause lots of harm -- autism. I really think that we are coming closer to a cure -- or at least proving that thermisol did it -- therefore, preventing this from happening in the future. Stan Kurtz <kurtzstan@...> wrote: Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and going after testosterone issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question should be "Should I treat my child for high testosterone?," I believe the question should be, "Does my child have high testosterone?" and if so, "What can I do about it (that I can be comfortable doing)?"Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for our kids and that many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor cystiene. GSH is our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury from binding to tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it helps methylation, it helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what we haven't realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is

that GSH levels are directly corrilated to the amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll have more testosterone and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally live longer than men.So, the next question is, "Is testosterone a downstream issue caused by something else?" or "Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism?"The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. My hunch is that it's different for different children and I'll tell you why.First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than mercury plus estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone seems to synergistically work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we see so many boys with autism compared to girls.What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a

cause. We also know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates alchohol. We also know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as simple as just lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem in some children. I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to do with it as well. I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the days when I had IBS attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be touched. In the middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my clothes because the feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I would get arroused for "no good reason." It never made sense to me. I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was riding my dirt bike

back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe pain and I needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I could with every ounce of my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large amount of a liquid coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the pain, but on closer examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before and ever since.This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood it and was a bit ashamed about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As my gut had more challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower GSH, higher testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to normalize. When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to lessen.What were my high testosterone

symptoms? Early hair growth on my arms, legs, mustache (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily skin, adult acne, attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent erections (For example, I walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection), wet dreams as a teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex dreams...). I was also a young child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics. My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in vaccines, I would have surely been autistic. Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape, this testosterone issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not any less strong, or less functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut problems, sore throats, focus issues, skin problems, less

impulsive, less angry.... etc.Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying to normalize it. And I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the adversly high levels that can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with mother nature, but if the body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's worth it to consider going after it.2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like Lupron prior to going after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals, probiotics, even metals detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I believe in trying the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my philosophy. I believe that many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and

improving methylation.Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very physically strong child who is not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do then... when all else is exhausted?If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a candidate for a trial of a drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my child, but right now it is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN! Docs, researchers, parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were to do this, I would do it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly not to lower them below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in our world of anecdotal experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the potential side effects just yet. So, at this point I would

approach this carefully if at all.This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest experiences that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.- Stan

Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your insight! Only one thing to add. You stated: "The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. " The Geiers believe that thermisol (mercury) in vaccinations as well as a snipet is the cause of today's epidemic of autism. The snipet is DNA which makes a child susceptible to large amounts of mercury -- they can't detox as well as those without the snipet. Then, mercury and testosterone form sheets and get stuck in the body to cause lots of harm -- autism. I really think that we are coming closer to a cure -- or at least proving that thermisol did it -- therefore, preventing this from happening in the future. Stan Kurtz <kurtzstan@...> wrote: Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and going after testosterone issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question should be "Should I treat my child for high testosterone?," I believe the question should be, "Does my child have high testosterone?" and if so, "What can I do about it (that I can be comfortable doing)?"Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for our kids and that many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor cystiene. GSH is our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury from binding to tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it helps methylation, it helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what we haven't realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is

that GSH levels are directly corrilated to the amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll have more testosterone and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally live longer than men.So, the next question is, "Is testosterone a downstream issue caused by something else?" or "Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism?"The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. My hunch is that it's different for different children and I'll tell you why.First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than mercury plus estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone seems to synergistically work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we see so many boys with autism compared to girls.What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a

cause. We also know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates alchohol. We also know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as simple as just lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem in some children. I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to do with it as well. I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the days when I had IBS attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be touched. In the middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my clothes because the feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I would get arroused for "no good reason." It never made sense to me. I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was riding my dirt bike

back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe pain and I needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I could with every ounce of my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large amount of a liquid coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the pain, but on closer examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before and ever since.This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood it and was a bit ashamed about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As my gut had more challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower GSH, higher testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to normalize. When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to lessen.What were my high testosterone

symptoms? Early hair growth on my arms, legs, mustache (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily skin, adult acne, attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent erections (For example, I walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection), wet dreams as a teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex dreams...). I was also a young child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics. My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in vaccines, I would have surely been autistic. Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape, this testosterone issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not any less strong, or less functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut problems, sore throats, focus issues, skin problems, less

impulsive, less angry.... etc.Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying to normalize it. And I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the adversly high levels that can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with mother nature, but if the body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's worth it to consider going after it.2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like Lupron prior to going after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals, probiotics, even metals detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I believe in trying the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my philosophy. I believe that many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and

improving methylation.Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very physically strong child who is not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do then... when all else is exhausted?If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a candidate for a trial of a drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my child, but right now it is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN! Docs, researchers, parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were to do this, I would do it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly not to lower them below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in our world of anecdotal experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the potential side effects just yet. So, at this point I would

approach this carefully if at all.This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest experiences that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.- Stan

Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice.

[Guest guest]

Please know this:

Believes, argues, says, states, etc are all

very different than “can prove” or “is”.

I really don’t care what someone

says if they cannot back it up with good science or at least a good basis for

hypothesis that we can track.  Right now, we have a lot of guessing and

surmising.  It’s not enough when you are talking about using medications

that can potentially disrupt the entire endocrine system.  We need more info.

Holly

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Abid Khan

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:23

PM

mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Some

thoughts about the testosterone question...

Thanks for your insight!

Only one thing to add. You stated:

" The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of

autism. "

The Geiers believe that thermisol (mercury) in vaccinations as

well as a snipet is the cause of today's epidemic of autism. The snipet

is DNA which makes a child susceptible to large amounts of mercury -- they

can't detox as well as those without the snipet. Then, mercury and

testosterone form sheets and get stuck in the body to cause lots of harm --

autism.

I really think that we are coming closer to a cure -- or at least

proving that thermisol did it -- therefore, preventing this from happening in

the future.

Stan Kurtz

<kurtzstan@...> wrote:

Some are starting to

wonder if they whould be checking for, and going after testosterone

issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question should be

" Should I treat my

child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should be,

" Does my child have high

testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be

comfortable doing)? "

Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for our

kids and that

many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor

cystiene. GSH is

our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury from

binding to

tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it helps

methylation, it

helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what we

haven't

realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are directly

corrilated to the

amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll have

more testosterone

and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally live

longer than

men.

So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue caused by

something else? "

or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. My

hunch is that it's

different for different children and I'll tell you why.

First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than mercury

plus

estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone seems to

synergistically

work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we see so

many boys

with autism compared to girls.

What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a

cause. We also

know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates

alchohol. We also

know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as

simple as just

lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem in

some

children.

I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to do

with it as well.

I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the days

when I had IBS

attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be

touched. In the

middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my

clothes because the

feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I would

get arroused

for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was riding

my dirt

bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe pain

and I

needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I could

with every ounce of

my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large amount

of a liquid

coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the

pain, but on closer

examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before and

ever since.

This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood it

and was a bit ashamed

about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As my

gut had more

challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower GSH,

higher

testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to

normalize.

When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to

lessen.

What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my arms,

legs, mustache

(I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily skin,

adult acne,

attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent erections

(For example, I

walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection), wet

dreams as a

teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex dreams...).

I was also a young

child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in

vaccines, I would

have surely been autistic.

Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape, this

testosterone

issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not any

less strong, or less

functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut problems,

sore throats, focus

issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying to

normalize it. And

I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the adversly

high levels that

can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with mother

nature, but if the

body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's

worth it to

consider going after it.

2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like

Lupron prior to going

after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals, probiotics,

even metals

detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I believe

in trying

the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my

philosophy. I believe that

many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and improving

methylation.

Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very physically

strong child who is

not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do

then... when

all else is exhausted?

If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a

candidate for a trial of a

drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my

child, but right now it

is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN! Docs,

researchers,

parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were to

do this, I would do

it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly not to

lower them

below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in our

world of anecdotal

experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the potential

side effects

just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if at all.

This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest

experiences

that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

- Stan

Blab-away for as little

as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

Calls using Messenger with Voice.

[Guest guest]

Please know this:

Believes, argues, says, states, etc are all

very different than “can prove” or “is”.

I really don’t care what someone

says if they cannot back it up with good science or at least a good basis for

hypothesis that we can track.  Right now, we have a lot of guessing and

surmising.  It’s not enough when you are talking about using medications

that can potentially disrupt the entire endocrine system.  We need more info.

Holly

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Abid Khan

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:23

PM

mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Some

thoughts about the testosterone question...

Thanks for your insight!

Only one thing to add. You stated:

" The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of

autism. "

The Geiers believe that thermisol (mercury) in vaccinations as

well as a snipet is the cause of today's epidemic of autism. The snipet

is DNA which makes a child susceptible to large amounts of mercury -- they

can't detox as well as those without the snipet. Then, mercury and

testosterone form sheets and get stuck in the body to cause lots of harm --

autism.

I really think that we are coming closer to a cure -- or at least

proving that thermisol did it -- therefore, preventing this from happening in

the future.

Stan Kurtz

<kurtzstan@...> wrote:

Some are starting to

wonder if they whould be checking for, and going after testosterone

issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question should be

" Should I treat my

child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should be,

" Does my child have high

testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be

comfortable doing)? "

Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for our

kids and that

many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor

cystiene. GSH is

our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury from

binding to

tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it helps

methylation, it

helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what we

haven't

realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are directly

corrilated to the

amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll have

more testosterone

and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally live

longer than

men.

So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue caused by

something else? "

or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. My

hunch is that it's

different for different children and I'll tell you why.

First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than mercury

plus

estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone seems to

synergistically

work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we see so

many boys

with autism compared to girls.

What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a

cause. We also

know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates

alchohol. We also

know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as

simple as just

lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem in

some

children.

I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to do

with it as well.

I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the days

when I had IBS

attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be

touched. In the

middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my

clothes because the

feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I would

get arroused

for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was riding

my dirt

bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe pain

and I

needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I could

with every ounce of

my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large amount

of a liquid

coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the

pain, but on closer

examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before and

ever since.

This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood it

and was a bit ashamed

about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As my

gut had more

challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower GSH,

higher

testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to

normalize.

When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to

lessen.

What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my arms,

legs, mustache

(I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily skin,

adult acne,

attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent erections

(For example, I

walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection), wet

dreams as a

teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex dreams...).

I was also a young

child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in

vaccines, I would

have surely been autistic.

Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape, this

testosterone

issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not any

less strong, or less

functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut problems,

sore throats, focus

issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying to

normalize it. And

I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the adversly

high levels that

can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with mother

nature, but if the

body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's

worth it to

consider going after it.

2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like

Lupron prior to going

after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals, probiotics,

even metals

detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I believe

in trying

the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my

philosophy. I believe that

many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and improving

methylation.

Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very physically

strong child who is

not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do

then... when

all else is exhausted?

If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a

candidate for a trial of a

drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my

child, but right now it

is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN! Docs,

researchers,

parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were to

do this, I would do

it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly not to

lower them

below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in our

world of anecdotal

experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the potential

side effects

just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if at all.

This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest

experiences

that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

- Stan

Blab-away for as little

as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

Calls using Messenger with Voice.

[Guest guest]

I agree with you and I do know the Geiers mercury work, but the Geiers recently

started a

talk about testosterone as " the cause of autism " and they are the one's who

started the

discussion about Lupron, so I used that as the example the extreme side of how

some

folks are looking at testosterone's role in autism.

- Stan

> Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and going after

testosterone

> issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question should be

" Should I treat

my

> child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should be, " Does my

child have high

> testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be comfortable

doing)? "

>

> Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for our

kids and that

> many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor

cystiene. GSH

is

> our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury from

binding to

> tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it helps

methylation,

it

> helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

>

> We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what we

haven't

> realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are directly

corrilated to the

> amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll have more

testosterone

> and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally live

longer than

> men.

>

> So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue caused by

something

else? "

> or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

>

> The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. My hunch

is that it's

> different for different children and I'll tell you why.

>

> First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than mercury

plus

> estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone seems to

synergistically

> work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we see so

many

boys

> with autism compared to girls.

>

> What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a cause.

We also

> know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates alchohol.

We also

> know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as simple

as just

> lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem in

some

> children.

>

> I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to do

with it as

well.

> I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the days

when I had IBS

> attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be

touched. In the

> middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my

clothes because

the

> feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I would get

arroused

> for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

>

> I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was

riding my dirt

> bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe pain and

I

> needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I could with

every ounce

of

> my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large amount

of a

liquid

> coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the pain,

but on

closer

> examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before and

ever since.

>

> This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood it and

was a bit

ashamed

> about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As my gut had

more

> challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower

GSH, higher

> testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to normalize.

>

> When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to

lessen.

>

> What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my arms, legs,

mustache

> (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily

skin, adult acne,

> attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent erections

(For

example, I

> walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection), wet

dreams as a

> teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex dreams...). I

was also a

young

> child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

>

> My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in

vaccines, I would

> have surely been autistic.

>

> Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape, this

testosterone

> issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not any less

strong, or

less

> functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut problems, sore

throats,

focus

> issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

>

> Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

>

> 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying to

normalize it.

And

> I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the adversly

high levels

that

> can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with mother

nature, but if

the

> body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's

worth it to

> consider going after it.

>

> 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like

Lupron prior to

going

> after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals, probiotics,

even metals

> detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I

believe in trying

> the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my philosophy. I

believe that

> many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and improving

methylation.

>

> Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very physically strong

child who is

> not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do

then... when

> all else is exhausted?

>

> If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a

candidate for a trial

of a

> drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my child,

but right now

it

> is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN! Docs,

researchers,

> parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were to do

this, I would

do

> it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly not

to lower

them

> below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in our world

of

anecdotal

> experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the potential

side

effects

> just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if at all.

>

> This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest

experiences

> that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

>

> - Stan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you and I do know the Geiers mercury work, but the Geiers recently

started a

talk about testosterone as " the cause of autism " and they are the one's who

started the

discussion about Lupron, so I used that as the example the extreme side of how

some

folks are looking at testosterone's role in autism.

- Stan

> Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and going after

testosterone

> issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question should be

" Should I treat

my

> child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should be, " Does my

child have high

> testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be comfortable

doing)? "

>

> Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for our

kids and that

> many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor

cystiene. GSH

is

> our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury from

binding to

> tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it helps

methylation,

it

> helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

>

> We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what we

haven't

> realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are directly

corrilated to the

> amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll have more

testosterone

> and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally live

longer than

> men.

>

> So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue caused by

something

else? "

> or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

>

> The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. My hunch

is that it's

> different for different children and I'll tell you why.

>

> First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than mercury

plus

> estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone seems to

synergistically

> work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we see so

many

boys

> with autism compared to girls.

>

> What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a cause.

We also

> know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates alchohol.

We also

> know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as simple

as just

> lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem in

some

> children.

>

> I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to do

with it as

well.

> I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the days

when I had IBS

> attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be

touched. In the

> middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my

clothes because

the

> feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I would get

arroused

> for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

>

> I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was

riding my dirt

> bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe pain and

I

> needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I could with

every ounce

of

> my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large amount

of a

liquid

> coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the pain,

but on

closer

> examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before and

ever since.

>

> This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood it and

was a bit

ashamed

> about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As my gut had

more

> challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower

GSH, higher

> testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to normalize.

>

> When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to

lessen.

>

> What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my arms, legs,

mustache

> (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily

skin, adult acne,

> attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent erections

(For

example, I

> walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection), wet

dreams as a

> teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex dreams...). I

was also a

young

> child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

>

> My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in

vaccines, I would

> have surely been autistic.

>

> Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape, this

testosterone

> issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not any less

strong, or

less

> functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut problems, sore

throats,

focus

> issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

>

> Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

>

> 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying to

normalize it.

And

> I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the adversly

high levels

that

> can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with mother

nature, but if

the

> body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's

worth it to

> consider going after it.

>

> 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like

Lupron prior to

going

> after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals, probiotics,

even metals

> detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I

believe in trying

> the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my philosophy. I

believe that

> many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and improving

methylation.

>

> Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very physically strong

child who is

> not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do

then... when

> all else is exhausted?

>

> If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a

candidate for a trial

of a

> drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my child,

but right now

it

> is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN! Docs,

researchers,

> parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were to do

this, I would

do

> it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly not

to lower

them

> below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in our world

of

anecdotal

> experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the potential

side

effects

> just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if at all.

>

> This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest

experiences

> that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

>

> - Stan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Holly,

You are correct " Believes, argues, says, states, etc are all very different than

" can prove " or

" is " . But that's the type of thing we do as parents looking for answers for the

seemingly

" incurable. " We often discuss the unproven.

I certainly agree with your concern about Lupron. I'm not sure how I could have

crafted

my post to be more clear about how uncharted the use of Lupron would be for

children.

When you ask about proof, you can't have proof without trials and most of

children who

recovered from autism biomedically did so with methods that are scientifically

based

<but> " unproven " methods. For example, what proof is there about Valtrex and

autism?

Some, possibly very little... but my son recovered by trying it.

What we are talking about is a discussion about high testosterone and it's

possible effects

on our kids. I think the risk of not addressing high testosterone is similar to

the risks of

overtreating for it. Could you guarantee that not treating high testosterone is

safe?

I know messing with testosterone sounds scarey, but having a discussion

shouldn't be. If

we dismiss something that seems to, at least in some children, play a role in

autism, we

may be dismissing our child's recovery. There is a difference between a.)

looking at a the

testosterone issue and intelligently learning about it and making decsions about

it and b.)

Ignoring it or c.) Rushing into the use of a drug like Lupron.

As I mentioned there are a lot of possible causes of high testosterone and a lot

of possible

solutions. I think considering Lupron should be a last resort.

Maybe some people won't want to address testosterone, but for the folks that do,

I think

it's a valuable discussion.

- Stan

>

> Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and going after

> testosterone

> issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question should be

> " Should I treat my

> child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should be, " Does my

> child have high

> testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be comfortable

> doing)? "

>

> Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for our

> kids and that

> many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor

> cystiene. GSH is

> our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury from

> binding to

> tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it

> helps methylation, it

> helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

>

> We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what we

> haven't

> realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are directly

> corrilated to the

> amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll have more

> testosterone

> and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally live

> longer than

> men.

>

> So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue caused by

> something else? "

> or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

>

> The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. My hunch

> is that it's

> different for different children and I'll tell you why.

>

> First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than

> mercury plus

> estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone seems to

> synergistically

> work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we see so

> many boys

> with autism compared to girls.

>

> What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a cause.

> We also

> know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates alchohol.

> We also

> know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as simple

> as just

> lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem

> in some

> children.

>

> I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to do

> with it as well.

> I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the days

> when I had IBS

> attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be

> touched. In the

> middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my

> clothes because the

> feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I would

> get arroused

> for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

>

> I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was

> riding my dirt

> bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe pain

> and I

> needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I could with

> every ounce of

> my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large

> amount of a liquid

> coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the pain,

> but on closer

> examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before and

> ever since.

>

> This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood it and

> was a bit ashamed

> about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As my gut had

> more

> challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower

> GSH, higher

> testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to normalize.

>

> When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to

> lessen.

>

> What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my arms,

> legs, mustache

> (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily

> skin, adult acne,

> attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent erections

> (For example, I

> walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection), wet

> dreams as a

> teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex dreams...). I

> was also a young

> child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

>

> My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in

> vaccines, I would

> have surely been autistic.

>

> Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape, this

> testosterone

> issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not any less

> strong, or less

> functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut problems, sore

> throats, focus

> issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

>

> Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

>

> 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying

> to normalize it. And

> I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the

> adversly high levels that

> can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with mother

> nature, but if the

> body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's

> worth it to

> consider going after it.

>

> 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like

> Lupron prior to going

> after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals,

> probiotics, even metals

> detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I

> believe in trying

> the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my philosophy. I

> believe that

> many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and improving

> methylation.

>

> Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very physically

> strong child who is

> not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do

> then... when

> all else is exhausted?

>

> If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a

> candidate for a trial of a

> drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my child,

> but right now it

> is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN! Docs,

> researchers,

> parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were to do

> this, I would do

> it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly not

> to lower them

> below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in our world

> of anecdotal

> experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the

> potential side effects

> just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if at all.

>

> This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest

> experiences

> that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

>

> - Stan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello Holly,

You are correct " Believes, argues, says, states, etc are all very different than

" can prove " or

" is " . But that's the type of thing we do as parents looking for answers for the

seemingly

" incurable. " We often discuss the unproven.

I certainly agree with your concern about Lupron. I'm not sure how I could have

crafted

my post to be more clear about how uncharted the use of Lupron would be for

children.

When you ask about proof, you can't have proof without trials and most of

children who

recovered from autism biomedically did so with methods that are scientifically

based

<but> " unproven " methods. For example, what proof is there about Valtrex and

autism?

Some, possibly very little... but my son recovered by trying it.

What we are talking about is a discussion about high testosterone and it's

possible effects

on our kids. I think the risk of not addressing high testosterone is similar to

the risks of

overtreating for it. Could you guarantee that not treating high testosterone is

safe?

I know messing with testosterone sounds scarey, but having a discussion

shouldn't be. If

we dismiss something that seems to, at least in some children, play a role in

autism, we

may be dismissing our child's recovery. There is a difference between a.)

looking at a the

testosterone issue and intelligently learning about it and making decsions about

it and b.)

Ignoring it or c.) Rushing into the use of a drug like Lupron.

As I mentioned there are a lot of possible causes of high testosterone and a lot

of possible

solutions. I think considering Lupron should be a last resort.

Maybe some people won't want to address testosterone, but for the folks that do,

I think

it's a valuable discussion.

- Stan

>

> Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and going after

> testosterone

> issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question should be

> " Should I treat my

> child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should be, " Does my

> child have high

> testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be comfortable

> doing)? "

>

> Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for our

> kids and that

> many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor

> cystiene. GSH is

> our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury from

> binding to

> tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it

> helps methylation, it

> helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

>

> We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what we

> haven't

> realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are directly

> corrilated to the

> amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll have more

> testosterone

> and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally live

> longer than

> men.

>

> So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue caused by

> something else? "

> or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

>

> The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. My hunch

> is that it's

> different for different children and I'll tell you why.

>

> First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than

> mercury plus

> estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone seems to

> synergistically

> work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we see so

> many boys

> with autism compared to girls.

>

> What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a cause.

> We also

> know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates alchohol.

> We also

> know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as simple

> as just

> lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem

> in some

> children.

>

> I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to do

> with it as well.

> I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the days

> when I had IBS

> attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be

> touched. In the

> middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my

> clothes because the

> feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I would

> get arroused

> for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

>

> I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was

> riding my dirt

> bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe pain

> and I

> needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I could with

> every ounce of

> my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large

> amount of a liquid

> coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the pain,

> but on closer

> examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before and

> ever since.

>

> This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood it and

> was a bit ashamed

> about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As my gut had

> more

> challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower

> GSH, higher

> testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to normalize.

>

> When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to

> lessen.

>

> What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my arms,

> legs, mustache

> (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily

> skin, adult acne,

> attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent erections

> (For example, I

> walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection), wet

> dreams as a

> teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex dreams...). I

> was also a young

> child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

>

> My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in

> vaccines, I would

> have surely been autistic.

>

> Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape, this

> testosterone

> issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not any less

> strong, or less

> functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut problems, sore

> throats, focus

> issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

>

> Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

>

> 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying

> to normalize it. And

> I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the

> adversly high levels that

> can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with mother

> nature, but if the

> body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's

> worth it to

> consider going after it.

>

> 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like

> Lupron prior to going

> after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals,

> probiotics, even metals

> detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I

> believe in trying

> the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my philosophy. I

> believe that

> many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and improving

> methylation.

>

> Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very physically

> strong child who is

> not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do

> then... when

> all else is exhausted?

>

> If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a

> candidate for a trial of a

> drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my child,

> but right now it

> is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN! Docs,

> researchers,

> parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were to do

> this, I would do

> it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly not

> to lower them

> below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in our world

> of anecdotal

> experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the

> potential side effects

> just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if at all.

>

> This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest

> experiences

> that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

>

> - Stan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http:/us.rd./evt

> =39663/*http:/voice.> Calls using Messenger with Voice.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Stan, We just went to see the Geier’s

last week.  We are waiting for the blood work orders to do the testing.  I

haven’t ruled out anything yet.  We got our MB12 shots today but I am

holding off as we leave for Boston

on Friday to get rescoped with Buie.  My daughter got her first shot today

though.  J

By proof, I mean, can we base your

hypothesis on good foundational science.  If we cannot, we need to start over. 

If we can, we go forward.  But we must do our due diligence on this stuff

because we are talking about our kids.  If someone says “secretin lowers

testosterone” or “chelation lowers testosterone” I expect you

to be able to prove it - or don’t say it.  That is not unreasonable.  The

Geier’s have said those things and they cannot be proven, by them or

anyone else, to date. 

I just want us to be careful when we get

excited about new things.  We’ve been doing this for 8 years,

biomedically.  I’ve seen a lot come and go.  I’ve seen the fever

pitch that people can hit.  Most things were innocuous and had few side

effects, whether they worked as an autism treatment or not.  Lupron is not one

of those things.  Lupron has A LOT of side effects.  Bad ones.  We need to make

sure that all science leading up to it is pristine.  Not flawed.  Less guessing,

more knowing.

That’s all I want.

Holly

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Stan Kurtz

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:07

PM

mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Some

thoughts about the testosterone question...

Hello Holly,

You are correct " Believes, argues, says, states, etc are all very

different than " can prove " or

" is " . But that's the type of thing we do as parents looking for

answers for the seemingly

" incurable. " We often discuss the unproven.

I certainly agree with your concern about Lupron. I'm not sure how I

could have crafted

my post to be more clear about how uncharted the use of Lupron would be for

children.

When you ask about proof, you can't have proof without trials and most of

children who

recovered from autism biomedically did so with methods that are scientifically

based

<but> " unproven " methods. For example, what proof is

there about Valtrex and autism?

Some, possibly very little... but my son recovered by trying it.

What we are talking about is a discussion about high testosterone and it's

possible effects

on our kids. I think the risk of not addressing high testosterone is

similar to the risks of

overtreating for it. Could you guarantee that not treating high

testosterone is safe?

I know messing with testosterone sounds scarey, but having a discussion

shouldn't be. If

we dismiss something that seems to, at least in some children, play a role in

autism, we

may be dismissing our child's recovery. There is a difference between a.)

looking at a the

testosterone issue and intelligently learning about it and making decsions

about it and b.)

Ignoring it or c.) Rushing into the use of a drug like Lupron.

As I mentioned there are a lot of possible causes of high testosterone and a

lot of possible

solutions. I think considering Lupron should be a last resort.

Maybe some people won't want to address testosterone, but for the folks that

do, I think

it's a valuable discussion.

- Stan

>

> Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and going

after

> testosterone

> issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question

should be

> " Should I treat my

> child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should be,

" Does my

> child have high

> testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be

comfortable

> doing)? "

>

> Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for

our

> kids and that

> many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor

> cystiene. GSH is

> our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury

from

> binding to

> tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it

> helps methylation, it

> helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

>

> We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what

we

> haven't

> realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are

directly

> corrilated to the

> amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll

have more

> testosterone

> and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally

live

> longer than

> men.

>

> So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue caused

by

> something else? "

> or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

>

> The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism.

My hunch

> is that it's

> different for different children and I'll tell you why.

>

> First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than

> mercury plus

> estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone

seems to

> synergistically

> work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we

see so

> many boys

> with autism compared to girls.

>

> What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a

cause.

> We also

> know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates alchohol.

> We also

> know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as

simple

> as just

> lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem

> in some

> children.

>

> I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to

do

> with it as well.

> I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the

days

> when I had IBS

> attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be

> touched. In the

> middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my

> clothes because the

> feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I

would

> get arroused

> for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

>

> I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was

> riding my dirt

> bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe

pain

> and I

> needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I

could with

> every ounce of

> my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large

> amount of a liquid

> coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the

pain,

> but on closer

> examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before

and

> ever since.

>

> This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood

it and

> was a bit ashamed

> about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As

my gut had

> more

> challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower

> GSH, higher

> testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to

normalize.

>

> When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to

> lessen.

>

> What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my

arms,

> legs, mustache

> (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily

> skin, adult acne,

> attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent

erections

> (For example, I

> walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection),

wet

> dreams as a

> teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex

dreams...). I

> was also a young

> child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

>

> My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in

> vaccines, I would

> have surely been autistic.

>

> Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape,

this

> testosterone

> issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not

any less

> strong, or less

> functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut

problems, sore

> throats, focus

> issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

>

> Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

>

> 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying

> to normalize it. And

> I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the

> adversly high levels that

> can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with

mother

> nature, but if the

> body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's

> worth it to

> consider going after it.

>

> 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like

> Lupron prior to going

> after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals,

> probiotics, even metals

> detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I

> believe in trying

> the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my

philosophy. I

> believe that

> many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and improving

> methylation.

>

> Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very

physically

> strong child who is

> not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do

> then... when

> all else is exhausted?

>

> If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a

> candidate for a trial of a

> drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my

child,

> but right now it

> is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN!

Docs,

> researchers,

> parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were

to do

> this, I would do

> it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly

not

> to lower them

> below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in

our world

> of anecdotal

> experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the

> potential side effects

> just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if at

all.

>

> This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest

> experiences

> that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

>

> - Stan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http:/us.rd./evt

> =39663/*http:/voice.> Calls using Messenger with

Voice.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Stan, We just went to see the Geier’s

last week.  We are waiting for the blood work orders to do the testing.  I

haven’t ruled out anything yet.  We got our MB12 shots today but I am

holding off as we leave for Boston

on Friday to get rescoped with Buie.  My daughter got her first shot today

though.  J

By proof, I mean, can we base your

hypothesis on good foundational science.  If we cannot, we need to start over. 

If we can, we go forward.  But we must do our due diligence on this stuff

because we are talking about our kids.  If someone says “secretin lowers

testosterone” or “chelation lowers testosterone” I expect you

to be able to prove it - or don’t say it.  That is not unreasonable.  The

Geier’s have said those things and they cannot be proven, by them or

anyone else, to date. 

I just want us to be careful when we get

excited about new things.  We’ve been doing this for 8 years,

biomedically.  I’ve seen a lot come and go.  I’ve seen the fever

pitch that people can hit.  Most things were innocuous and had few side

effects, whether they worked as an autism treatment or not.  Lupron is not one

of those things.  Lupron has A LOT of side effects.  Bad ones.  We need to make

sure that all science leading up to it is pristine.  Not flawed.  Less guessing,

more knowing.

That’s all I want.

Holly

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Stan Kurtz

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:07

PM

mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Some

thoughts about the testosterone question...

Hello Holly,

You are correct " Believes, argues, says, states, etc are all very

different than " can prove " or

" is " . But that's the type of thing we do as parents looking for

answers for the seemingly

" incurable. " We often discuss the unproven.

I certainly agree with your concern about Lupron. I'm not sure how I

could have crafted

my post to be more clear about how uncharted the use of Lupron would be for

children.

When you ask about proof, you can't have proof without trials and most of

children who

recovered from autism biomedically did so with methods that are scientifically

based

<but> " unproven " methods. For example, what proof is

there about Valtrex and autism?

Some, possibly very little... but my son recovered by trying it.

What we are talking about is a discussion about high testosterone and it's

possible effects

on our kids. I think the risk of not addressing high testosterone is

similar to the risks of

overtreating for it. Could you guarantee that not treating high

testosterone is safe?

I know messing with testosterone sounds scarey, but having a discussion

shouldn't be. If

we dismiss something that seems to, at least in some children, play a role in

autism, we

may be dismissing our child's recovery. There is a difference between a.)

looking at a the

testosterone issue and intelligently learning about it and making decsions

about it and b.)

Ignoring it or c.) Rushing into the use of a drug like Lupron.

As I mentioned there are a lot of possible causes of high testosterone and a

lot of possible

solutions. I think considering Lupron should be a last resort.

Maybe some people won't want to address testosterone, but for the folks that

do, I think

it's a valuable discussion.

- Stan

>

> Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and going

after

> testosterone

> issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question

should be

> " Should I treat my

> child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should be,

" Does my

> child have high

> testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be

comfortable

> doing)? "

>

> Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for

our

> kids and that

> many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor

> cystiene. GSH is

> our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury

from

> binding to

> tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it

> helps methylation, it

> helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

>

> We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what

we

> haven't

> realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are

directly

> corrilated to the

> amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll

have more

> testosterone

> and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally

live

> longer than

> men.

>

> So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue caused

by

> something else? "

> or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

>

> The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism.

My hunch

> is that it's

> different for different children and I'll tell you why.

>

> First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than

> mercury plus

> estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone

seems to

> synergistically

> work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we

see so

> many boys

> with autism compared to girls.

>

> What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a

cause.

> We also

> know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates alchohol.

> We also

> know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as

simple

> as just

> lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem

> in some

> children.

>

> I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to

do

> with it as well.

> I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the

days

> when I had IBS

> attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be

> touched. In the

> middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my

> clothes because the

> feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I

would

> get arroused

> for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

>

> I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was

> riding my dirt

> bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe

pain

> and I

> needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I

could with

> every ounce of

> my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large

> amount of a liquid

> coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the

pain,

> but on closer

> examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before

and

> ever since.

>

> This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood

it and

> was a bit ashamed

> about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As

my gut had

> more

> challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower

> GSH, higher

> testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to

normalize.

>

> When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to

> lessen.

>

> What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my

arms,

> legs, mustache

> (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily

> skin, adult acne,

> attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent

erections

> (For example, I

> walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection),

wet

> dreams as a

> teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex

dreams...). I

> was also a young

> child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

>

> My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in

> vaccines, I would

> have surely been autistic.

>

> Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape,

this

> testosterone

> issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not

any less

> strong, or less

> functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut

problems, sore

> throats, focus

> issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

>

> Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

>

> 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying

> to normalize it. And

> I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the

> adversly high levels that

> can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with

mother

> nature, but if the

> body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's

> worth it to

> consider going after it.

>

> 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like

> Lupron prior to going

> after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals,

> probiotics, even metals

> detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I

> believe in trying

> the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my

philosophy. I

> believe that

> many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and improving

> methylation.

>

> Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very

physically

> strong child who is

> not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do

> then... when

> all else is exhausted?

>

> If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a

> candidate for a trial of a

> drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my

child,

> but right now it

> is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN!

Docs,

> researchers,

> parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were

to do

> this, I would do

> it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly

not

> to lower them

> below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in

our world

> of anecdotal

> experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the

> potential side effects

> just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if at

all.

>

> This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest

> experiences

> that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

>

> - Stan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http:/us.rd./evt

> =39663/*http:/voice.> Calls using Messenger with

Voice.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi All, Just wanted to chime in quickly - my son ethan's

testosterone was 20 when we first tested him - He was 3.1 yo at the

time. (1-10 ref range). I was freaking out!! We had been on TD-GSH

for awhile when we tested this and chelating. We tested him again 3

mos later - after starting Diflucan and Valtrex and his level was 11!!

(at 3.4 years old) WOW! I know this is a temporary fix while we

heal his body but as mentioned at the DAN! conf in DC, diflucan

helped. His latest fecal metals test also had 7 metals in the mid-

high yellow. I am very pleased! Lupron was not something I wanted

to explore.

emily

ethans mom

3.4 yo

> >

> > Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and

going

> after

> > testosterone

> > issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question

should be

> > " Should I treat my

> > child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should

be, " Does my

> > child have high

> > testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be

> comfortable

> > doing)? "

> >

> > Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good

thing for

> our

> > kids and that

> > many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's

precursor

> > cystiene. GSH is

> > our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like

mercury from

> > binding to

> > tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to

tissue, it

> > helps methylation, it

> > helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

> >

> > We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now,

but what

> we

> > haven't

> > realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are

> directly

> > corrilated to the

> > amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll

have

> more

> > testosterone

> > and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women

generally live

> > longer than

> > men.

> >

> > So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue

caused by

> > something else? "

> > or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

> >

> > The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of

autism. My

> hunch

> > is that it's

> > different for different children and I'll tell you why.

> >

> > First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage

than

> > mercury plus

> > estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone

seems to

> > synergistically

> > work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons

we see so

> > many boys

> > with autism compared to girls.

> >

> > What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione

is a

> cause.

> > We also

> > know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates

> alchohol.

> > We also

> > know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe

it's as

> simple

> > as just

> > lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the

testosterone problem

> > in some

> > children.

> >

> > I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have

something to

> do

> > with it as well.

> > I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in

the days

> > when I had IBS

> > attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't

stand to be

> > touched. In the

> > middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off

all my

> > clothes because the

> > feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same

time, I would

> > get arroused

> > for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

> >

> > I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13)

when I was

> > riding my dirt

> > bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in

severe pain

> > and I

> > needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I

could

> with

> > every ounce of

> > my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a

large

> > amount of a liquid

> > coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all

the

> pain,

> > but on closer

> > examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever

before

> and

> > ever since.

> >

> > This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never

understood it

> and

> > was a bit ashamed

> > about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As

my gut

> had

> > more

> > challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind

decreased (lower

> > GSH, higher

> > testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to

normalize.

> >

> > When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms

began to

> > lessen.

> >

> > What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my

arms,

> > legs, mustache

> > (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early

age, oily

> > skin, adult acne,

> > attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent

> erections

> > (For example, I

> > walked around middle school... middle school with a constant

erection),

> wet

> > dreams as a

> > teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex

dreams...).

> I

> > was also a young

> > child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

> >

> > My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of

mercury in

> > vaccines, I would

> > have surely been autistic.

> >

> > Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better

shape,

> this

> > testosterone

> > issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not

any less

> > strong, or less

> > functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut

problems,

> sore

> > throats, focus

> > issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

> >

> > Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

> >

> > 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is

worth trying

> > to normalize it. And

> > I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering

the

> > adversly high levels that

> > can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with

mother

> > nature, but if the

> > body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I

believe it's

> > worth it to

> > consider going after it.

> >

> > 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using

things like

> > Lupron prior to going

> > after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals,

> > probiotics, even metals

> > detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do...

and I

> > believe in trying

> > the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my

philosophy. I

> > believe that

> > many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and

improving

> > methylation.

> >

> > Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very

physically

> > strong child who is

> > not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what

do you do

> > then... when

> > all else is exhausted?

> >

> > If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might

be a

> > candidate for a trial of a

> > drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that

were my

> child,

> > but right now it

> > is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors

(DAN!

> Docs,

> > researchers,

> > parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I

were to

> do

> > this, I would do

> > it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work

slowly

> not

> > to lower them

> > below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even

in our

> world

> > of anecdotal

> > experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know

the

> > potential side effects

> > just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if

at all.

> >

> > This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share

some honest

> > experiences

> > that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

> >

> > - Stan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> >

>

<http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http:/us.rd..c

om/evt

> > =39663/*http:/voice.> Calls using Messenger with

Voice.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi All, Just wanted to chime in quickly - my son ethan's

testosterone was 20 when we first tested him - He was 3.1 yo at the

time. (1-10 ref range). I was freaking out!! We had been on TD-GSH

for awhile when we tested this and chelating. We tested him again 3

mos later - after starting Diflucan and Valtrex and his level was 11!!

(at 3.4 years old) WOW! I know this is a temporary fix while we

heal his body but as mentioned at the DAN! conf in DC, diflucan

helped. His latest fecal metals test also had 7 metals in the mid-

high yellow. I am very pleased! Lupron was not something I wanted

to explore.

emily

ethans mom

3.4 yo

> >

> > Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and

going

> after

> > testosterone

> > issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question

should be

> > " Should I treat my

> > child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should

be, " Does my

> > child have high

> > testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be

> comfortable

> > doing)? "

> >

> > Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good

thing for

> our

> > kids and that

> > many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's

precursor

> > cystiene. GSH is

> > our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like

mercury from

> > binding to

> > tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to

tissue, it

> > helps methylation, it

> > helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

> >

> > We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now,

but what

> we

> > haven't

> > realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are

> directly

> > corrilated to the

> > amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll

have

> more

> > testosterone

> > and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women

generally live

> > longer than

> > men.

> >

> > So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue

caused by

> > something else? "

> > or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

> >

> > The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of

autism. My

> hunch

> > is that it's

> > different for different children and I'll tell you why.

> >

> > First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage

than

> > mercury plus

> > estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone

seems to

> > synergistically

> > work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons

we see so

> > many boys

> > with autism compared to girls.

> >

> > What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione

is a

> cause.

> > We also

> > know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates

> alchohol.

> > We also

> > know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe

it's as

> simple

> > as just

> > lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the

testosterone problem

> > in some

> > children.

> >

> > I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have

something to

> do

> > with it as well.

> > I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in

the days

> > when I had IBS

> > attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't

stand to be

> > touched. In the

> > middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off

all my

> > clothes because the

> > feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same

time, I would

> > get arroused

> > for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

> >

> > I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13)

when I was

> > riding my dirt

> > bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in

severe pain

> > and I

> > needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I

could

> with

> > every ounce of

> > my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a

large

> > amount of a liquid

> > coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all

the

> pain,

> > but on closer

> > examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever

before

> and

> > ever since.

> >

> > This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never

understood it

> and

> > was a bit ashamed

> > about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As

my gut

> had

> > more

> > challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind

decreased (lower

> > GSH, higher

> > testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to

normalize.

> >

> > When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms

began to

> > lessen.

> >

> > What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my

arms,

> > legs, mustache

> > (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early

age, oily

> > skin, adult acne,

> > attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent

> erections

> > (For example, I

> > walked around middle school... middle school with a constant

erection),

> wet

> > dreams as a

> > teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex

dreams...).

> I

> > was also a young

> > child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

> >

> > My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of

mercury in

> > vaccines, I would

> > have surely been autistic.

> >

> > Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better

shape,

> this

> > testosterone

> > issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not

any less

> > strong, or less

> > functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut

problems,

> sore

> > throats, focus

> > issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

> >

> > Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

> >

> > 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is

worth trying

> > to normalize it. And

> > I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering

the

> > adversly high levels that

> > can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with

mother

> > nature, but if the

> > body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I

believe it's

> > worth it to

> > consider going after it.

> >

> > 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using

things like

> > Lupron prior to going

> > after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals,

> > probiotics, even metals

> > detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do...

and I

> > believe in trying

> > the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my

philosophy. I

> > believe that

> > many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and

improving

> > methylation.

> >

> > Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very

physically

> > strong child who is

> > not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what

do you do

> > then... when

> > all else is exhausted?

> >

> > If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might

be a

> > candidate for a trial of a

> > drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that

were my

> child,

> > but right now it

> > is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors

(DAN!

> Docs,

> > researchers,

> > parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I

were to

> do

> > this, I would do

> > it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work

slowly

> not

> > to lower them

> > below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even

in our

> world

> > of anecdotal

> > experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know

the

> > potential side effects

> > just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if

at all.

> >

> > This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share

some honest

> > experiences

> > that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

> >

> > - Stan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> >

>

<http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http:/us.rd..c

om/evt

> > =39663/*http:/voice.> Calls using Messenger with

Voice.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Holly,

We did ten months of Lupron when my dd was 10. She had a diagnosis

of central precocious puberty. She began chelating which I didn't

understand at the time. (Her hair smelled like an aluminum factory!)

She also developed vocal tics after several months. We quit the

Lupron because of this. Had I known about the heavy metals, I could

have supported her body better through supplements.

She did improve and her teachers noticed her becomming more

attentive. That was after we stopped and I started her on some

calcium supplements. We have since done a year of TD-DMPS, LDN, MB-

12, Valtrex, antifungals, etc. We are now on NCD and she has made

more progress in the last four weeks than we could ever imagine. I

hate the MLM aspect of this, but our experience is just one of many

on the AutismNCD site. Still waiting on the research to be published

this month on NCD but truly I just took a leap of faith. Sometimes

that's all you have to go on!

>

> Hi Stan, We just went to see the Geier's last week. We are waiting

for the

> blood work orders to do the testing. I haven't ruled out anything

yet. We

> got our MB12 shots today but I am holding off as we leave for

Boston on

> Friday to get rescoped with Buie. My daughter got her first shot

today

> though. :-)

>

>

>

> By proof, I mean, can we base your hypothesis on good foundational

science.

> If we cannot, we need to start over. If we can, we go forward.

But we must

> do our due diligence on this stuff because we are talking about our

kids.

> If someone says " secretin lowers testosterone " or " chelation lowers

> testosterone " I expect you to be able to prove it - or don't say

it. That

> is not unreasonable. The Geier's have said those things and they

cannot be

> proven, by them or anyone else, to date.

>

>

>

> I just want us to be careful when we get excited about new things.

We've

> been doing this for 8 years, biomedically. I've seen a lot come

and go.

> I've seen the fever pitch that people can hit. Most things were

innocuous

> and had few side effects, whether they worked as an autism

treatment or not.

> Lupron is not one of those things. Lupron has A LOT of side

effects. Bad

> ones. We need to make sure that all science leading up to it is

pristine.

> Not flawed. Less guessing, more knowing.

>

>

>

> That's all I want.

>

>

>

> Holly

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Holly,

We did ten months of Lupron when my dd was 10. She had a diagnosis

of central precocious puberty. She began chelating which I didn't

understand at the time. (Her hair smelled like an aluminum factory!)

She also developed vocal tics after several months. We quit the

Lupron because of this. Had I known about the heavy metals, I could

have supported her body better through supplements.

She did improve and her teachers noticed her becomming more

attentive. That was after we stopped and I started her on some

calcium supplements. We have since done a year of TD-DMPS, LDN, MB-

12, Valtrex, antifungals, etc. We are now on NCD and she has made

more progress in the last four weeks than we could ever imagine. I

hate the MLM aspect of this, but our experience is just one of many

on the AutismNCD site. Still waiting on the research to be published

this month on NCD but truly I just took a leap of faith. Sometimes

that's all you have to go on!

>

> Hi Stan, We just went to see the Geier's last week. We are waiting

for the

> blood work orders to do the testing. I haven't ruled out anything

yet. We

> got our MB12 shots today but I am holding off as we leave for

Boston on

> Friday to get rescoped with Buie. My daughter got her first shot

today

> though. :-)

>

>

>

> By proof, I mean, can we base your hypothesis on good foundational

science.

> If we cannot, we need to start over. If we can, we go forward.

But we must

> do our due diligence on this stuff because we are talking about our

kids.

> If someone says " secretin lowers testosterone " or " chelation lowers

> testosterone " I expect you to be able to prove it - or don't say

it. That

> is not unreasonable. The Geier's have said those things and they

cannot be

> proven, by them or anyone else, to date.

>

>

>

> I just want us to be careful when we get excited about new things.

We've

> been doing this for 8 years, biomedically. I've seen a lot come

and go.

> I've seen the fever pitch that people can hit. Most things were

innocuous

> and had few side effects, whether they worked as an autism

treatment or not.

> Lupron is not one of those things. Lupron has A LOT of side

effects. Bad

> ones. We need to make sure that all science leading up to it is

pristine.

> Not flawed. Less guessing, more knowing.

>

>

>

> That's all I want.

>

>

>

> Holly

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is NCD?heidiclare2004 <sddw@...> wrote: Holly,We did ten months of Lupron when my dd was 10. She had a diagnosis of central precocious puberty. She began chelating which I didn't understand at the time. (Her hair smelled like an aluminum factory!) She also developed vocal tics after several months. We quit the Lupron because of this. Had I known about the heavy metals, I could have supported her body better through supplements.She did improve and her teachers noticed her becomming more attentive. That was after we stopped and I started her on some calcium supplements. We have since done a year of TD-DMPS, LDN, MB-12, Valtrex, antifungals, etc. We are now on NCD and she has made more progress in the last four weeks than we could ever imagine.

I hate the MLM aspect of this, but our experience is just one of many on the AutismNCD site. Still waiting on the research to be published this month on NCD but truly I just took a leap of faith. Sometimes that's all you have to go on! >> Hi Stan, We just went to see the Geier's last week. We are waiting for the> blood work orders to do the testing. I haven't ruled out anything yet. We> got our MB12 shots today but I am holding off as we leave for Boston on> Friday to get rescoped with Buie. My daughter got her first shot today> though. :-)> > > > By proof, I mean, can we base your hypothesis on good foundational science.> If we cannot, we need to start over. If we can, we go forward. But we must> do our due diligence on this stuff because we are talking about our

kids.> If someone says "secretin lowers testosterone" or "chelation lowers> testosterone" I expect you to be able to prove it - or don't say it. That> is not unreasonable. The Geier's have said those things and they cannot be> proven, by them or anyone else, to date. > > > > I just want us to be careful when we get excited about new things. We've> been doing this for 8 years, biomedically. I've seen a lot come and go.> I've seen the fever pitch that people can hit. Most things were innocuous> and had few side effects, whether they worked as an autism treatment or not.> Lupron is not one of those things. Lupron has A LOT of side effects. Bad> ones. We need to make sure that all science leading up to it is pristine.> Not flawed. Less guessing, more knowing.>

> > > That's all I want.> > > > Holly> > >__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

what is NCD?heidiclare2004 <sddw@...> wrote: Holly,We did ten months of Lupron when my dd was 10. She had a diagnosis of central precocious puberty. She began chelating which I didn't understand at the time. (Her hair smelled like an aluminum factory!) She also developed vocal tics after several months. We quit the Lupron because of this. Had I known about the heavy metals, I could have supported her body better through supplements.She did improve and her teachers noticed her becomming more attentive. That was after we stopped and I started her on some calcium supplements. We have since done a year of TD-DMPS, LDN, MB-12, Valtrex, antifungals, etc. We are now on NCD and she has made more progress in the last four weeks than we could ever imagine.

I hate the MLM aspect of this, but our experience is just one of many on the AutismNCD site. Still waiting on the research to be published this month on NCD but truly I just took a leap of faith. Sometimes that's all you have to go on! >> Hi Stan, We just went to see the Geier's last week. We are waiting for the> blood work orders to do the testing. I haven't ruled out anything yet. We> got our MB12 shots today but I am holding off as we leave for Boston on> Friday to get rescoped with Buie. My daughter got her first shot today> though. :-)> > > > By proof, I mean, can we base your hypothesis on good foundational science.> If we cannot, we need to start over. If we can, we go forward. But we must> do our due diligence on this stuff because we are talking about our

kids.> If someone says "secretin lowers testosterone" or "chelation lowers> testosterone" I expect you to be able to prove it - or don't say it. That> is not unreasonable. The Geier's have said those things and they cannot be> proven, by them or anyone else, to date. > > > > I just want us to be careful when we get excited about new things. We've> been doing this for 8 years, biomedically. I've seen a lot come and go.> I've seen the fever pitch that people can hit. Most things were innocuous> and had few side effects, whether they worked as an autism treatment or not.> Lupron is not one of those things. Lupron has A LOT of side effects. Bad> ones. We need to make sure that all science leading up to it is pristine.> Not flawed. Less guessing, more knowing.>

> > > That's all I want.> > > > Holly> > >__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Sorry, not a big leaper. This is my

kid. No basis? No go. Getting lucky is something for teenagers in cars, not

what you do with your kid’s health.

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of heidiclare2004

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:53

PM

mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Some

thoughts about the testosterone question...

Holly,

We did ten months of Lupron when my dd was 10. She had a diagnosis

of central precocious puberty. She began chelating which I didn't

understand at the time. (Her hair smelled like an aluminum factory!)

She also developed vocal tics after several months. We quit the

Lupron because of this. Had I known about the heavy metals, I could

have supported her body better through supplements.

She did improve and her teachers noticed her becomming more

attentive. That was after we stopped and I started her on some

calcium supplements. We have since done a year of TD-DMPS, LDN, MB-

12, Valtrex, antifungals, etc. We are now on NCD and she has made

more progress in the last four weeks than we could ever imagine. I

hate the MLM aspect of this, but our experience is just one of many

on the AutismNCD site. Still waiting on the research to be published

this month on NCD but truly I just took a leap of faith. Sometimes

that's all you have to go on!

>

> Hi Stan, We just went to see the Geier's last week. We are waiting

for the

> blood work orders to do the testing. I haven't ruled out anything

yet. We

> got our MB12 shots today but I am holding off as we leave for

Boston on

> Friday to get rescoped with Buie. My daughter got her first shot

today

> though. :-)

>

>

>

> By proof, I mean, can we base your hypothesis on good foundational

science.

> If we cannot, we need to start over. If we can, we go forward.

But we must

> do our due diligence on this stuff because we are talking about our

kids.

> If someone says " secretin lowers testosterone " or

" chelation lowers

> testosterone " I expect you to be able to prove it - or don't say

it. That

> is not unreasonable. The Geier's have said those things and they

cannot be

> proven, by them or anyone else, to date.

>

>

>

> I just want us to be careful when we get excited about new things.

We've

> been doing this for 8 years, biomedically. I've seen a lot come

and go.

> I've seen the fever pitch that people can hit. Most things were

innocuous

> and had few side effects, whether they worked as an autism

treatment or not.

> Lupron is not one of those things. Lupron has A LOT of side

effects. Bad

> ones. We need to make sure that all science leading up to it is

pristine.

> Not flawed. Less guessing, more knowing.

>

>

>

> That's all I want.

>

>

>

> Holly

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, not a big leaper. This is my

kid. No basis? No go. Getting lucky is something for teenagers in cars, not

what you do with your kid’s health.

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of heidiclare2004

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:53

PM

mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Some

thoughts about the testosterone question...

Holly,

We did ten months of Lupron when my dd was 10. She had a diagnosis

of central precocious puberty. She began chelating which I didn't

understand at the time. (Her hair smelled like an aluminum factory!)

She also developed vocal tics after several months. We quit the

Lupron because of this. Had I known about the heavy metals, I could

have supported her body better through supplements.

She did improve and her teachers noticed her becomming more

attentive. That was after we stopped and I started her on some

calcium supplements. We have since done a year of TD-DMPS, LDN, MB-

12, Valtrex, antifungals, etc. We are now on NCD and she has made

more progress in the last four weeks than we could ever imagine. I

hate the MLM aspect of this, but our experience is just one of many

on the AutismNCD site. Still waiting on the research to be published

this month on NCD but truly I just took a leap of faith. Sometimes

that's all you have to go on!

>

> Hi Stan, We just went to see the Geier's last week. We are waiting

for the

> blood work orders to do the testing. I haven't ruled out anything

yet. We

> got our MB12 shots today but I am holding off as we leave for

Boston on

> Friday to get rescoped with Buie. My daughter got her first shot

today

> though. :-)

>

>

>

> By proof, I mean, can we base your hypothesis on good foundational

science.

> If we cannot, we need to start over. If we can, we go forward.

But we must

> do our due diligence on this stuff because we are talking about our

kids.

> If someone says " secretin lowers testosterone " or

" chelation lowers

> testosterone " I expect you to be able to prove it - or don't say

it. That

> is not unreasonable. The Geier's have said those things and they

cannot be

> proven, by them or anyone else, to date.

>

>

>

> I just want us to be careful when we get excited about new things.

We've

> been doing this for 8 years, biomedically. I've seen a lot come

and go.

> I've seen the fever pitch that people can hit. Most things were

innocuous

> and had few side effects, whether they worked as an autism

treatment or not.

> Lupron is not one of those things. Lupron has A LOT of side

effects. Bad

> ones. We need to make sure that all science leading up to it is

pristine.

> Not flawed. Less guessing, more knowing.

>

>

>

> That's all I want.

>

>

>

> Holly

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Holly, I can't say I actually understand what you are talking about. A simple

" welcome

back " would have been fine.

Why don't you explain to me what you would like me to " prove " exactly and I'll

do my best.

I'm not sure if you have the right perspective for an anecdotal sharing parent

group like

this, but I'm willing to carry on this discussion a bit further.

- Stan

> >

> > Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and going

> after

> > testosterone

> > issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question should be

> > " Should I treat my

> > child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should be, " Does my

> > child have high

> > testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be

> comfortable

> > doing)? "

> >

> > Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for

> our

> > kids and that

> > many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor

> > cystiene. GSH is

> > our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury from

> > binding to

> > tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it

> > helps methylation, it

> > helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

> >

> > We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what

> we

> > haven't

> > realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are

> directly

> > corrilated to the

> > amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll have

> more

> > testosterone

> > and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally live

> > longer than

> > men.

> >

> > So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue caused by

> > something else? "

> > or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

> >

> > The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. My

> hunch

> > is that it's

> > different for different children and I'll tell you why.

> >

> > First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than

> > mercury plus

> > estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone seems to

> > synergistically

> > work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we see so

> > many boys

> > with autism compared to girls.

> >

> > What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a

> cause.

> > We also

> > know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates

> alchohol.

> > We also

> > know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as

> simple

> > as just

> > lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem

> > in some

> > children.

> >

> > I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to

> do

> > with it as well.

> > I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the days

> > when I had IBS

> > attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be

> > touched. In the

> > middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my

> > clothes because the

> > feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I would

> > get arroused

> > for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

> >

> > I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was

> > riding my dirt

> > bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe pain

> > and I

> > needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I could

> with

> > every ounce of

> > my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large

> > amount of a liquid

> > coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the

> pain,

> > but on closer

> > examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before

> and

> > ever since.

> >

> > This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood it

> and

> > was a bit ashamed

> > about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As my gut

> had

> > more

> > challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower

> > GSH, higher

> > testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to normalize.

> >

> > When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to

> > lessen.

> >

> > What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my arms,

> > legs, mustache

> > (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily

> > skin, adult acne,

> > attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent

> erections

> > (For example, I

> > walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection),

> wet

> > dreams as a

> > teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex dreams...).

> I

> > was also a young

> > child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

> >

> > My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in

> > vaccines, I would

> > have surely been autistic.

> >

> > Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape,

> this

> > testosterone

> > issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not any less

> > strong, or less

> > functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut problems,

> sore

> > throats, focus

> > issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

> >

> > Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

> >

> > 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying

> > to normalize it. And

> > I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the

> > adversly high levels that

> > can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with mother

> > nature, but if the

> > body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's

> > worth it to

> > consider going after it.

> >

> > 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like

> > Lupron prior to going

> > after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals,

> > probiotics, even metals

> > detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I

> > believe in trying

> > the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my philosophy. I

> > believe that

> > many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and improving

> > methylation.

> >

> > Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very physically

> > strong child who is

> > not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do

> > then... when

> > all else is exhausted?

> >

> > If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a

> > candidate for a trial of a

> > drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my

> child,

> > but right now it

> > is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN!

> Docs,

> > researchers,

> > parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were to

> do

> > this, I would do

> > it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly

> not

> > to lower them

> > below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in our

> world

> > of anecdotal

> > experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the

> > potential side effects

> > just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if at all.

> >

> > This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest

> > experiences

> > that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

> >

> > - Stan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> >

> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http:/us.rd./evt

> > =39663/*http:/voice.> Calls using Messenger with Voice.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Holly, I can't say I actually understand what you are talking about. A simple

" welcome

back " would have been fine.

Why don't you explain to me what you would like me to " prove " exactly and I'll

do my best.

I'm not sure if you have the right perspective for an anecdotal sharing parent

group like

this, but I'm willing to carry on this discussion a bit further.

- Stan

> >

> > Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and going

> after

> > testosterone

> > issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question should be

> > " Should I treat my

> > child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should be, " Does my

> > child have high

> > testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be

> comfortable

> > doing)? "

> >

> > Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good thing for

> our

> > kids and that

> > many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's precursor

> > cystiene. GSH is

> > our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like mercury from

> > binding to

> > tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to tissue, it

> > helps methylation, it

> > helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

> >

> > We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now, but what

> we

> > haven't

> > realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are

> directly

> > corrilated to the

> > amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll have

> more

> > testosterone

> > and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women generally live

> > longer than

> > men.

> >

> > So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue caused by

> > something else? "

> > or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

> >

> > The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of autism. My

> hunch

> > is that it's

> > different for different children and I'll tell you why.

> >

> > First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage than

> > mercury plus

> > estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone seems to

> > synergistically

> > work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons we see so

> > many boys

> > with autism compared to girls.

> >

> > What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione is a

> cause.

> > We also

> > know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates

> alchohol.

> > We also

> > know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe it's as

> simple

> > as just

> > lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the testosterone problem

> > in some

> > children.

> >

> > I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have something to

> do

> > with it as well.

> > I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in the days

> > when I had IBS

> > attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't stand to be

> > touched. In the

> > middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off all my

> > clothes because the

> > feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same time, I would

> > get arroused

> > for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

> >

> > I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13) when I was

> > riding my dirt

> > bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in severe pain

> > and I

> > needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I could

> with

> > every ounce of

> > my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a large

> > amount of a liquid

> > coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all the

> pain,

> > but on closer

> > examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever before

> and

> > ever since.

> >

> > This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never understood it

> and

> > was a bit ashamed

> > about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As my gut

> had

> > more

> > challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind decreased (lower

> > GSH, higher

> > testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to normalize.

> >

> > When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms began to

> > lessen.

> >

> > What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my arms,

> > legs, mustache

> > (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early age, oily

> > skin, adult acne,

> > attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent

> erections

> > (For example, I

> > walked around middle school... middle school with a constant erection),

> wet

> > dreams as a

> > teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex dreams...).

> I

> > was also a young

> > child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

> >

> > My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of mercury in

> > vaccines, I would

> > have surely been autistic.

> >

> > Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better shape,

> this

> > testosterone

> > issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not any less

> > strong, or less

> > functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut problems,

> sore

> > throats, focus

> > issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

> >

> > Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

> >

> > 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is worth trying

> > to normalize it. And

> > I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering the

> > adversly high levels that

> > can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with mother

> > nature, but if the

> > body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I believe it's

> > worth it to

> > consider going after it.

> >

> > 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using things like

> > Lupron prior to going

> > after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals,

> > probiotics, even metals

> > detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do... and I

> > believe in trying

> > the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my philosophy. I

> > believe that

> > many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and improving

> > methylation.

> >

> > Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very physically

> > strong child who is

> > not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what do you do

> > then... when

> > all else is exhausted?

> >

> > If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might be a

> > candidate for a trial of a

> > drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that were my

> child,

> > but right now it

> > is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors (DAN!

> Docs,

> > researchers,

> > parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I were to

> do

> > this, I would do

> > it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work slowly

> not

> > to lower them

> > below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even in our

> world

> > of anecdotal

> > experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know the

> > potential side effects

> > just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if at all.

> >

> > This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share some honest

> > experiences

> > that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

> >

> > - Stan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> >

> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http:/us.rd./evt

> > =39663/*http:/voice.> Calls using Messenger with Voice.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Bingo. I suspect that many folks could manage these higher levels of

testosterone in this

type of fashion rather than jumping to Lupron... but I also suspect there may be

some

where more proven methods may not work and for those folks they may have to

start

researching Lupron or possibly other therapies. Time will tell.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and

> going

> > after

> > > testosterone

> > > issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question

> should be

> > > " Should I treat my

> > > child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should

> be, " Does my

> > > child have high

> > > testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be

> > comfortable

> > > doing)? "

> > >

> > > Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good

> thing for

> > our

> > > kids and that

> > > many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's

> precursor

> > > cystiene. GSH is

> > > our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like

> mercury from

> > > binding to

> > > tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to

> tissue, it

> > > helps methylation, it

> > > helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

> > >

> > > We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now,

> but what

> > we

> > > haven't

> > > realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are

> > directly

> > > corrilated to the

> > > amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll

> have

> > more

> > > testosterone

> > > and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women

> generally live

> > > longer than

> > > men.

> > >

> > > So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue

> caused by

> > > something else? "

> > > or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

> > >

> > > The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of

> autism. My

> > hunch

> > > is that it's

> > > different for different children and I'll tell you why.

> > >

> > > First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage

> than

> > > mercury plus

> > > estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone

> seems to

> > > synergistically

> > > work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons

> we see so

> > > many boys

> > > with autism compared to girls.

> > >

> > > What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione

> is a

> > cause.

> > > We also

> > > know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates

> > alchohol.

> > > We also

> > > know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe

> it's as

> > simple

> > > as just

> > > lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the

> testosterone problem

> > > in some

> > > children.

> > >

> > > I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have

> something to

> > do

> > > with it as well.

> > > I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in

> the days

> > > when I had IBS

> > > attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't

> stand to be

> > > touched. In the

> > > middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off

> all my

> > > clothes because the

> > > feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same

> time, I would

> > > get arroused

> > > for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

> > >

> > > I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13)

> when I was

> > > riding my dirt

> > > bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in

> severe pain

> > > and I

> > > needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I

> could

> > with

> > > every ounce of

> > > my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a

> large

> > > amount of a liquid

> > > coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all

> the

> > pain,

> > > but on closer

> > > examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever

> before

> > and

> > > ever since.

> > >

> > > This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never

> understood it

> > and

> > > was a bit ashamed

> > > about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As

> my gut

> > had

> > > more

> > > challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind

> decreased (lower

> > > GSH, higher

> > > testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to

> normalize.

> > >

> > > When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms

> began to

> > > lessen.

> > >

> > > What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my

> arms,

> > > legs, mustache

> > > (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early

> age, oily

> > > skin, adult acne,

> > > attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent

> > erections

> > > (For example, I

> > > walked around middle school... middle school with a constant

> erection),

> > wet

> > > dreams as a

> > > teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex

> dreams...).

> > I

> > > was also a young

> > > child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

> > >

> > > My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of

> mercury in

> > > vaccines, I would

> > > have surely been autistic.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better

> shape,

> > this

> > > testosterone

> > > issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not

> any less

> > > strong, or less

> > > functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut

> problems,

> > sore

> > > throats, focus

> > > issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

> > >

> > > Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

> > >

> > > 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is

> worth trying

> > > to normalize it. And

> > > I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering

> the

> > > adversly high levels that

> > > can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with

> mother

> > > nature, but if the

> > > body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I

> believe it's

> > > worth it to

> > > consider going after it.

> > >

> > > 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using

> things like

> > > Lupron prior to going

> > > after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals,

> > > probiotics, even metals

> > > detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do...

> and I

> > > believe in trying

> > > the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my

> philosophy. I

> > > believe that

> > > many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and

> improving

> > > methylation.

> > >

> > > Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very

> physically

> > > strong child who is

> > > not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what

> do you do

> > > then... when

> > > all else is exhausted?

> > >

> > > If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might

> be a

> > > candidate for a trial of a

> > > drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that

> were my

> > child,

> > > but right now it

> > > is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors

> (DAN!

> > Docs,

> > > researchers,

> > > parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I

> were to

> > do

> > > this, I would do

> > > it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work

> slowly

> > not

> > > to lower them

> > > below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even

> in our

> > world

> > > of anecdotal

> > > experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know

> the

> > > potential side effects

> > > just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if

> at all.

> > >

> > > This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share

> some honest

> > > experiences

> > > that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

> > >

> > > - Stan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> > >

> >

> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http:/us.rd..c

> om/evt

> > > =39663/*http:/voice.> Calls using Messenger with

> Voice.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Bingo. I suspect that many folks could manage these higher levels of

testosterone in this

type of fashion rather than jumping to Lupron... but I also suspect there may be

some

where more proven methods may not work and for those folks they may have to

start

researching Lupron or possibly other therapies. Time will tell.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Some are starting to wonder if they whould be checking for, and

> going

> > after

> > > testosterone

> > > issues in thier children with autism. I don't feel the question

> should be

> > > " Should I treat my

> > > child for high testosterone?, " I believe the question should

> be, " Does my

> > > child have high

> > > testosterone? " and if so, " What can I do about it (that I can be

> > comfortable

> > > doing)? "

> > >

> > > Most of us, if not all, agree that Glutathione (GSH) is a good

> thing for

> > our

> > > kids and that

> > > many of our kids have decreased amounts of Glutathione or it's

> precursor

> > > cystiene. GSH is

> > > our bodies most important antioxident. It blocks metals like

> mercury from

> > > binding to

> > > tissue, it controls free electrons which can cause damage to

> tissue, it

> > > helps methylation, it

> > > helps control viral activity, and many other wonderful things.

> > >

> > > We've been chasing after ways of increase GSH for some time now,

> but what

> > we

> > > haven't

> > > realized until recent work from the Gieirs, is that GSH levels are

> > directly

> > > corrilated to the

> > > amount of testosterone in the body. If you have less GSH, you'll

> have

> > more

> > > testosterone

> > > and vice-versa. IMO, This may eventually explain why women

> generally live

> > > longer than

> > > men.

> > >

> > > So, the next question is, " Is testosterone a downstream issue

> caused by

> > > something else? "

> > > or " Is the testosterone issue a key causal element of autism? "

> > >

> > > The Geiers argue that testosterone issues are the cause of

> autism. My

> > hunch

> > > is that it's

> > > different for different children and I'll tell you why.

> > >

> > > First, we know that testosterone plus mercury causes more damage

> than

> > > mercury plus

> > > estrogen. In fact, estrogen protects the brain and testosterone

> seems to

> > > synergistically

> > > work with mercury to do damage. The could be one of the reasons

> we see so

> > > many boys

> > > with autism compared to girls.

> > >

> > > What causes high testosterone? We now know that low glutathione

> is a

> > cause.

> > > We also

> > > know that alchohol reduces GSH and that fungus in the gut creates

> > alchohol.

> > > We also

> > > know that some antifungals seem to lower testosterone. Maybe

> it's as

> > simple

> > > as just

> > > lowering the fungal levels effectively which stop the

> testosterone problem

> > > in some

> > > children.

> > >

> > > I also believe that serotonin and or tryptophan levels have

> something to

> > do

> > > with it as well.

> > > I've had IBS much of my life until I started using MB12. Back in

> the days

> > > when I had IBS

> > > attacks my head would feel so foggy and tired and I couldn't

> stand to be

> > > touched. In the

> > > middle of an attack, while sitting on the toilet I would take off

> all my

> > > clothes because the

> > > feeling of anything on my body was aggrivating. At the same

> time, I would

> > > get arroused

> > > for " no good reason. " It never made sense to me.

> > >

> > > I can actually remember one incident as a teenager (about 13)

> when I was

> > > riding my dirt

> > > bike back in the woods miles from my house. My stomach was in

> severe pain

> > > and I

> > > needed a bathroom right that second. I was holding it as best I

> could

> > with

> > > every ounce of

> > > my strength while racing back to my house and then I felt quite a

> large

> > > amount of a liquid

> > > coming from my pants. I thought I lost contenence because of all

> the

> > pain,

> > > but on closer

> > > examination... I actually orgasimed with more excretion than ever

> before

> > and

> > > ever since.

> > >

> > > This is the first time I ever shared that story. I never

> understood it

> > and

> > > was a bit ashamed

> > > about it. Today, it's much clearer to me what was going on. As

> my gut

> > had

> > > more

> > > challenges, my testosterone increased, my clarity of mind

> decreased (lower

> > > GSH, higher

> > > testosterone). When the IBS attacks ended things began to

> normalize.

> > >

> > > When my IBS was stabilized by MB12, my high testosterone symptoms

> began to

> > > lessen.

> > >

> > > What were my high testosterone symptoms? Early hair growth on my

> arms,

> > > legs, mustache

> > > (I could get alcohol at 13 years old), loss of hair at an early

> age, oily

> > > skin, adult acne,

> > > attention problems, frustration issues, impulsive, overly frequent

> > erections

> > > (For example, I

> > > walked around middle school... middle school with a constant

> erection),

> > wet

> > > dreams as a

> > > teenager (during typical dreams... I'm not talking about sex

> dreams...).

> > I

> > > was also a young

> > > child with frequent ear infections and on many antibiotics.

> > >

> > > My guess is that if I was born in 1999 during the hay day of

> mercury in

> > > vaccines, I would

> > > have surely been autistic.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I can personally tell you that once my gut was in better

> shape,

> > this

> > > testosterone

> > > issue became much less acute. So, what does that mean? I'm not

> any less

> > > strong, or less

> > > functional in any way. I'm just more normal... with less gut

> problems,

> > sore

> > > throats, focus

> > > issues, skin problems, less impulsive, less angry.... etc.

> > >

> > > Basically, I have two take away messages in this post.

> > >

> > > 1. If your child tests for high testosterone, I believe it is

> worth trying

> > > to normalize it. And

> > > I'm not talking about reducing it to low levels... just lowering

> the

> > > adversly high levels that

> > > can cause damage to your child. I don't believe in messing with

> mother

> > > nature, but if the

> > > body is producing way too much of anything that is harmful, I

> believe it's

> > > worth it to

> > > consider going after it.

> > >

> > > 2. If you do go after it, I personally don't believe in using

> things like

> > > Lupron prior to going

> > > after the raising GSH, treating the gut with diet and antifungals,

> > > probiotics, even metals

> > > detox can lower testosterone... many things we do in biomed do...

> and I

> > > believe in trying

> > > the more non-invasive ways FIRST. This has always been my

> philosophy. I

> > > believe that

> > > many testosterone issues can be managed by healing the gut and

> improving

> > > methylation.

> > >

> > > Now, what if these things don't work? I can think of a very

> physically

> > > strong child who is

> > > not responding to biomed and has very severe gut issues... what

> do you do

> > > then... when

> > > all else is exhausted?

> > >

> > > If a child like this tested for high testosterone, he (she) might

> be a

> > > candidate for a trial of a

> > > drug that lowered testosterone. Maybe I would try it if that

> were my

> > child,

> > > but right now it

> > > is a very untested therapy and there are many respected doctors

> (DAN!

> > Docs,

> > > researchers,

> > > parents, etc) who are concerned using Lupron for children. If I

> were to

> > do

> > > this, I would do

> > > it as a complete last resort and keep testing the levels and work

> slowly

> > not

> > > to lower them

> > > below normal. AND, this is a completely untested therapy, even

> in our

> > world

> > > of anecdotal

> > > experience and cutting edge therapies... I don't believe we know

> the

> > > potential side effects

> > > just yet. So, at this point I would approach this carefully if

> at all.

> > >

> > > This post isn't designed to have all the answers, but to share

> some honest

> > > experiences

> > > that make it safer for anyone to discuss this topic openly.

> > >

> > > - Stan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> > >

> >

> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http:/us.rd..c

> om/evt

> > > =39663/*http:/voice.> Calls using Messenger with

> Voice.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Holly,

Again, I'm just getting up to speed and I haven't seen all of your posts yet, so

I may be

taking things out of context but, I'm not a fan of judging others and their

beliefs. If you

want to say, " I wouldn't do it if that was my child " , that would be a fine

comment, but

when you associate others success to getting lucky and a teenagers driving I'm

concerned

about the reasoning. Rather than push beliefs and/or rationalize your decisions

about

your family (which you have every right to make in your home), but if you knock

others for

making the right moves for their child (even if their decision process and

personal beliefs

doesn't match up with yours) and sharing it here, I do not see that as being in

the best

interest of others.

Please feel free to share what you would do if it was your child, but knocking

others

doesn't feel productive to me.

- Stan

>

> Sorry, not a big leaper. This is my kid. No basis? No go. Getting lucky

> is something for teenagers in cars, not what you do with your kid's health.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On

> Behalf Of heidiclare2004

> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:53 PM

> mb12 valtrex

> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about the testosterone question...

>

>

>

>

> Holly,

>

> We did ten months of Lupron when my dd was 10. She had a diagnosis

> of central precocious puberty. She began chelating which I didn't

> understand at the time. (Her hair smelled like an aluminum factory!)

> She also developed vocal tics after several months. We quit the

> Lupron because of this. Had I known about the heavy metals, I could

> have supported her body better through supplements.

>

> She did improve and her teachers noticed her becomming more

> attentive. That was after we stopped and I started her on some

> calcium supplements. We have since done a year of TD-DMPS, LDN, MB-

> 12, Valtrex, antifungals, etc. We are now on NCD and she has made

> more progress in the last four weeks than we could ever imagine. I

> hate the MLM aspect of this, but our experience is just one of many

> on the AutismNCD site. Still waiting on the research to be published

> this month on NCD but truly I just took a leap of faith. Sometimes

> that's all you have to go on!

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Stan, We just went to see the Geier's last week. We are waiting

> for the

> > blood work orders to do the testing. I haven't ruled out anything

> yet. We

> > got our MB12 shots today but I am holding off as we leave for

> Boston on

> > Friday to get rescoped with Buie. My daughter got her first shot

> today

> > though. :-)

> >

> >

> >

> > By proof, I mean, can we base your hypothesis on good foundational

> science.

> > If we cannot, we need to start over. If we can, we go forward.

> But we must

> > do our due diligence on this stuff because we are talking about our

> kids.

> > If someone says " secretin lowers testosterone " or " chelation lowers

> > testosterone " I expect you to be able to prove it - or don't say

> it. That

> > is not unreasonable. The Geier's have said those things and they

> cannot be

> > proven, by them or anyone else, to date.

> >

> >

> >

> > I just want us to be careful when we get excited about new things.

> We've

> > been doing this for 8 years, biomedically. I've seen a lot come

> and go.

> > I've seen the fever pitch that people can hit. Most things were

> innocuous

> > and had few side effects, whether they worked as an autism

> treatment or not.

> > Lupron is not one of those things. Lupron has A LOT of side

> effects. Bad

> > ones. We need to make sure that all science leading up to it is

> pristine.

> > Not flawed. Less guessing, more knowing.

> >

> >

> >

> > That's all I want.

> >

> >

> >

> > Holly

> >

> >

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Holly,

Again, I'm just getting up to speed and I haven't seen all of your posts yet, so

I may be

taking things out of context but, I'm not a fan of judging others and their

beliefs. If you

want to say, " I wouldn't do it if that was my child " , that would be a fine

comment, but

when you associate others success to getting lucky and a teenagers driving I'm

concerned

about the reasoning. Rather than push beliefs and/or rationalize your decisions

about

your family (which you have every right to make in your home), but if you knock

others for

making the right moves for their child (even if their decision process and

personal beliefs

doesn't match up with yours) and sharing it here, I do not see that as being in

the best

interest of others.

Please feel free to share what you would do if it was your child, but knocking

others

doesn't feel productive to me.

- Stan

>

> Sorry, not a big leaper. This is my kid. No basis? No go. Getting lucky

> is something for teenagers in cars, not what you do with your kid's health.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On

> Behalf Of heidiclare2004

> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:53 PM

> mb12 valtrex

> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about the testosterone question...

>

>

>

>

> Holly,

>

> We did ten months of Lupron when my dd was 10. She had a diagnosis

> of central precocious puberty. She began chelating which I didn't

> understand at the time. (Her hair smelled like an aluminum factory!)

> She also developed vocal tics after several months. We quit the

> Lupron because of this. Had I known about the heavy metals, I could

> have supported her body better through supplements.

>

> She did improve and her teachers noticed her becomming more

> attentive. That was after we stopped and I started her on some

> calcium supplements. We have since done a year of TD-DMPS, LDN, MB-

> 12, Valtrex, antifungals, etc. We are now on NCD and she has made

> more progress in the last four weeks than we could ever imagine. I

> hate the MLM aspect of this, but our experience is just one of many

> on the AutismNCD site. Still waiting on the research to be published

> this month on NCD but truly I just took a leap of faith. Sometimes

> that's all you have to go on!

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Stan, We just went to see the Geier's last week. We are waiting

> for the

> > blood work orders to do the testing. I haven't ruled out anything

> yet. We

> > got our MB12 shots today but I am holding off as we leave for

> Boston on

> > Friday to get rescoped with Buie. My daughter got her first shot

> today

> > though. :-)

> >

> >

> >

> > By proof, I mean, can we base your hypothesis on good foundational

> science.

> > If we cannot, we need to start over. If we can, we go forward.

> But we must

> > do our due diligence on this stuff because we are talking about our

> kids.

> > If someone says " secretin lowers testosterone " or " chelation lowers

> > testosterone " I expect you to be able to prove it - or don't say

> it. That

> > is not unreasonable. The Geier's have said those things and they

> cannot be

> > proven, by them or anyone else, to date.

> >

> >

> >

> > I just want us to be careful when we get excited about new things.

> We've

> > been doing this for 8 years, biomedically. I've seen a lot come

> and go.

> > I've seen the fever pitch that people can hit. Most things were

> innocuous

> > and had few side effects, whether they worked as an autism

> treatment or not.

> > Lupron is not one of those things. Lupron has A LOT of side

> effects. Bad

> > ones. We need to make sure that all science leading up to it is

> pristine.

> > Not flawed. Less guessing, more knowing.

> >

> >

> >

> > That's all I want.

> >

> >

> >

> > Holly

> >

> >

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Holly,

Holly Crap! Glad to see you here! Stan has a wonderful list and is amazing in helping so many parents.

Thank you Stan

Reminds me much of you on the AutismRecovery List and your dedication.

is not the only one having success with NCD. I personally know kids doing exceptional with it.

She was brave to mention it considering on "how " it is marketed. I imagined she's just sharing.

If it wasn't for my son's doctor I regard highly I would have blown it off too. My tough nut kid is doing well with it considering he is almost 13 and has a mustache. And after all those years of chelating, diet, supps, etc.

Nine years for me, people snaring at me chelating in 1999...lol. Much like what Stan went through with the Valtrex B12. but..how can we not be sceptics after all we've been through?

Glad to hear things are going so well !

I'd be glad to send you the science and the patent if you'd like to look at it Holly, email me privately.

Take good care

Hope "M" is well. Kiss that cutie for me.

I missed seeing you on the lists, especially yours of which I enjoyed so much!

ps. I'll try to get back to you on the info asked for as soon as the Assembly Hearings to Ban Thimerasol here in NJ are over tomorrow and things settle down a bit. Wish NJ luck, we got the big Pharma's here so we need it.

http://home.earthlink.net/~aprokofiew/We live in a world in which we need to share responsibility. It's easy to say "It's not my child, not my community, not my world, not my problem." Then there are those who see the need and respond. I consider those people my heroes. -- Fred " Mr." , Children's TV Show Star

RE: Re: Some thoughts about the testosterone question...

Sorry, not a big leaper. This is my kid. No basis? No go. Getting lucky is something for teenagers in cars, not what you do with your kid’s health.

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of heidiclare2004Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:53 PMmb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Some thoughts about the testosterone question...

Holly,We did ten months of Lupron when my dd was 10. She had a diagnosis of central precocious puberty. She began chelating which I didn't understand at the time. (Her hair smelled like an aluminum factory!) She also developed vocal tics after several months. We quit the Lupron because of this. Had I known about the heavy metals, I could have supported her body better through supplements.She did improve and her teachers noticed her becomming more attentive. That was after we stopped and I started her on some calcium supplements. We have since done a year of TD-DMPS, LDN, MB-12, Valtrex, antifungals, etc. We are now on NCD and she has made more progress in the last four weeks than we could ever imagine. I hate the MLM aspect of this, but our experience is just one of many on the AutismNCD site. Still waiting on the research to be published this month on NCD but truly I just took a leap of faith. Sometimes that's all you have to go on! >> Hi Stan, We just went to see the Geier's last week. We are waiting for the> blood work orders to do the testing. I haven't ruled out anything yet. We> got our MB12 shots today but I am holding off as we leave for Boston on> Friday to get rescoped with Buie. My daughter got her first shot today> though. :-)> > > > By proof, I mean, can we base your hypothesis on good foundational science.> If we cannot, we need to start over. If we can, we go forward. But we must> do our due diligence on this stuff because we are talking about our kids.> If someone says "secretin lowers testosterone" or "chelation lowers> testosterone" I expect you to be able to prove it - or don't say it. That> is not unreasonable. The Geier's have said those things and they cannot be> proven, by them or anyone else, to date. > > > > I just want us to be careful when we get excited about new things. We've> been doing this for 8 years, biomedically. I've seen a lot come and go.> I've seen the fever pitch that people can hit. Most things were innocuous> and had few side effects, whether they worked as an autism treatment or not.> Lupron is not one of those things. Lupron has A LOT of side effects. Bad> ones. We need to make sure that all science leading up to it is pristine.> Not flawed. Less guessing, more knowing.> > > > That's all I want.> > > > Holly> > >