Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 > One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed > entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were > different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated > them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was > weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us. > > Hi (remember me Stan?), The same things seem to have happened after we did 3 months of Valtrex at a reduced dose for our son. He could no longer tolearte folinic acid and TMG while taking TD-MB12 after having taken them for apprx 9 months. We switched to nasal MB-12 and had to do it WITHOUT the folinic acid and then take away the TMG and Folinic Acid as well. He is a normally active little guy, never hyper with minor stims that come and go, but this combo was making him bounce off the walls and had him super-duper stimmy! We are getting ready to start another " round " of Valtrex, but because he is highly sensitive to some supplements/meds (i.e. Valtrex) after having done the standard protocol 2x per day for several weeks, we had to bring it down to 1/4 of the dose 1x per day and slowly build up to the 1x per day dose which was where he was more manageable. Oh, and yes, he was on Diflucan most of the time, since I realized some of those signs were due to yeast. While he was on the standard dosing protocol, he was pretty UNBEREABLE (and believe me, I am super patient and can take anything...). He had major stims, defiance, was very hyper, would hit anyone, not follow directions, was very sensory, visual stims, and OCD behaviors that kept increasing and increasing, etc. Now, to make this very clear, this was not his normal behavior pre-Valtrex, but when he takes something he seemingly cannot tolerate, he usually reacts by becoming stimmy and hyper. So after " riding it out " while taking the 2x per day dose for 5-6 weeks, we took him down to the reduced dosage and things were better, well at least more manageable... Things were getting complicated at home, but mostly at school, so after finishing the initial Valtrex we had in Nov. 05, we decided to wait a few months until re-starting. We are now getting ready to start in a matter of a few days and I am dreading the effects, (mostly because of school), but I guess, I will start slow and get him to the 1x per day dose and keep him there for a while before I increase it. I figured, better get some Valtrex in at a slower rate than none. He should still benefit from it--it just may take longer to see the desired results. He was a definite responder to Valtrex and is unvaccinated but yet has ASD and Apraxia of Speech. The Apraxia is the most problematic for him. After Valtrex, he is now clearer, can speak in full sentences, and even started asking WH questions, although not often but still, he did it spontenously. He had a major fine-motor regression as well, but seems to finally have overcome 75% of it by now. So, in re-starting Valtrex in a few days (we started Diflucan 3 days ago), I am hoping to see more gains in these areas because he is so, so close to becoming " recovered " , but we feel we have not found that missing piece to get him over this " obstacle " . Expressive speech and fine motor are big ones for him, areas that need major " clean up " , ASD is more secondary. In fact, I am currently taking OLE (which I knew about over a yar and a half ago but never did until I would get sick, if at all, and would take it temporarily and then forget about it). So now, I have been taking it for close to a week, and I can say I don't feel too great: tired/sluggish (unusual for me), a sore throat too. This all started after taking OLE for 1 day at 2 caps 2x per day. I was taking 2 caps 2x per day but decided to reduce it (as I was feeling worse) to 1 cap 2x per day and see how it goes and adjust as needed. Although I have been pretty healthy most of my life, I know I must have a big viral issue, hence my son developing ASD, so we'll see what happens. Mari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 > One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed > entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were > different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated > them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was > weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us. > > Hi (remember me Stan?), The same things seem to have happened after we did 3 months of Valtrex at a reduced dose for our son. He could no longer tolearte folinic acid and TMG while taking TD-MB12 after having taken them for apprx 9 months. We switched to nasal MB-12 and had to do it WITHOUT the folinic acid and then take away the TMG and Folinic Acid as well. He is a normally active little guy, never hyper with minor stims that come and go, but this combo was making him bounce off the walls and had him super-duper stimmy! We are getting ready to start another " round " of Valtrex, but because he is highly sensitive to some supplements/meds (i.e. Valtrex) after having done the standard protocol 2x per day for several weeks, we had to bring it down to 1/4 of the dose 1x per day and slowly build up to the 1x per day dose which was where he was more manageable. Oh, and yes, he was on Diflucan most of the time, since I realized some of those signs were due to yeast. While he was on the standard dosing protocol, he was pretty UNBEREABLE (and believe me, I am super patient and can take anything...). He had major stims, defiance, was very hyper, would hit anyone, not follow directions, was very sensory, visual stims, and OCD behaviors that kept increasing and increasing, etc. Now, to make this very clear, this was not his normal behavior pre-Valtrex, but when he takes something he seemingly cannot tolerate, he usually reacts by becoming stimmy and hyper. So after " riding it out " while taking the 2x per day dose for 5-6 weeks, we took him down to the reduced dosage and things were better, well at least more manageable... Things were getting complicated at home, but mostly at school, so after finishing the initial Valtrex we had in Nov. 05, we decided to wait a few months until re-starting. We are now getting ready to start in a matter of a few days and I am dreading the effects, (mostly because of school), but I guess, I will start slow and get him to the 1x per day dose and keep him there for a while before I increase it. I figured, better get some Valtrex in at a slower rate than none. He should still benefit from it--it just may take longer to see the desired results. He was a definite responder to Valtrex and is unvaccinated but yet has ASD and Apraxia of Speech. The Apraxia is the most problematic for him. After Valtrex, he is now clearer, can speak in full sentences, and even started asking WH questions, although not often but still, he did it spontenously. He had a major fine-motor regression as well, but seems to finally have overcome 75% of it by now. So, in re-starting Valtrex in a few days (we started Diflucan 3 days ago), I am hoping to see more gains in these areas because he is so, so close to becoming " recovered " , but we feel we have not found that missing piece to get him over this " obstacle " . Expressive speech and fine motor are big ones for him, areas that need major " clean up " , ASD is more secondary. In fact, I am currently taking OLE (which I knew about over a yar and a half ago but never did until I would get sick, if at all, and would take it temporarily and then forget about it). So now, I have been taking it for close to a week, and I can say I don't feel too great: tired/sluggish (unusual for me), a sore throat too. This all started after taking OLE for 1 day at 2 caps 2x per day. I was taking 2 caps 2x per day but decided to reduce it (as I was feeling worse) to 1 cap 2x per day and see how it goes and adjust as needed. Although I have been pretty healthy most of my life, I know I must have a big viral issue, hence my son developing ASD, so we'll see what happens. Mari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 That is interesting... Those are some of the same supplements that our son acted differently on after we used OLE, along with Cod Liver Oil. > > > > One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed > > entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were > > different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated > > them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was > > weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us. > > > > > > > Hi (remember me Stan?), > > The same things seem to have happened after we did 3 months of > Valtrex at a reduced dose for our son. He could no longer tolearte > folinic acid and TMG while taking TD-MB12 after having taken them for > apprx 9 months. We switched to nasal MB-12 and had to do it WITHOUT > the folinic acid and then take away the TMG and Folinic Acid as > well. He is a normally active little guy, never hyper with minor > stims that come and go, but this combo was making him bounce off the > walls and had him super-duper stimmy! > > We are getting ready to start another " round " of Valtrex, but because > he is highly sensitive to some supplements/meds (i.e. Valtrex) after > having done the standard protocol 2x per day for several weeks, we > had to bring it down to 1/4 of the dose 1x per day and slowly build > up to the 1x per day dose which was where he was more manageable. Oh, > and yes, he was on Diflucan most of the time, since I realized some > of those signs were due to yeast. While he was on the standard > dosing protocol, he was pretty UNBEREABLE (and believe me, I am super > patient and can take anything...). He had major stims, defiance, was > very hyper, would hit anyone, not follow directions, was very > sensory, visual stims, and OCD behaviors that kept increasing and > increasing, etc. Now, to make this very clear, this was not his > normal behavior pre-Valtrex, but when he takes something he seemingly > cannot tolerate, he usually reacts by becoming stimmy and hyper. So > after " riding it out " while taking the 2x per day dose for 5-6 weeks, > we took him down to the reduced dosage and things were better, well > at least more manageable... Things were getting complicated at home, > but mostly at school, so after finishing the initial Valtrex we had > in Nov. 05, we decided to wait a few months until re-starting. We > are now getting ready to start in a matter of a few days and I am > dreading the effects, (mostly because of school), but I guess, I will > start slow and get him to the 1x per day dose and keep him there for > a while before I increase it. I figured, better get some Valtrex in > at a slower rate than none. He should still benefit from it--it just > may take longer to see the desired results. He was a definite > responder to Valtrex and is unvaccinated but yet has ASD and Apraxia > of Speech. The Apraxia is the most problematic for him. After > Valtrex, he is now clearer, can speak in full sentences, and even > started asking WH questions, although not often but still, he did it > spontenously. He had a major fine-motor regression as well, but > seems to finally have overcome 75% of it by now. So, in re- starting > Valtrex in a few days (we started Diflucan 3 days ago), I am hoping > to see more gains in these areas because he is so, so close to > becoming " recovered " , but we feel we have not found that missing > piece to get him over this " obstacle " . Expressive speech and fine > motor are big ones for him, areas that need major " clean up " , ASD is > more secondary. In fact, I am currently taking OLE (which I knew > about over a yar and a half ago but never did until I would get sick, > if at all, and would take it temporarily and then forget about it). > So now, I have been taking it for close to a week, and I can say I > don't feel too great: tired/sluggish (unusual for me), a sore throat > too. This all started after taking OLE for 1 day at 2 caps 2x per > day. I was taking 2 caps 2x per day but decided to reduce it (as I > was feeling worse) to 1 cap 2x per day and see how it goes and adjust > as needed. Although I have been pretty healthy most of my life, I > know I must have a big viral issue, hence my son developing ASD, so > we'll see what happens. > > Mari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 That is interesting... Those are some of the same supplements that our son acted differently on after we used OLE, along with Cod Liver Oil. > > > > One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed > > entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were > > different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated > > them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was > > weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us. > > > > > > > Hi (remember me Stan?), > > The same things seem to have happened after we did 3 months of > Valtrex at a reduced dose for our son. He could no longer tolearte > folinic acid and TMG while taking TD-MB12 after having taken them for > apprx 9 months. We switched to nasal MB-12 and had to do it WITHOUT > the folinic acid and then take away the TMG and Folinic Acid as > well. He is a normally active little guy, never hyper with minor > stims that come and go, but this combo was making him bounce off the > walls and had him super-duper stimmy! > > We are getting ready to start another " round " of Valtrex, but because > he is highly sensitive to some supplements/meds (i.e. Valtrex) after > having done the standard protocol 2x per day for several weeks, we > had to bring it down to 1/4 of the dose 1x per day and slowly build > up to the 1x per day dose which was where he was more manageable. Oh, > and yes, he was on Diflucan most of the time, since I realized some > of those signs were due to yeast. While he was on the standard > dosing protocol, he was pretty UNBEREABLE (and believe me, I am super > patient and can take anything...). He had major stims, defiance, was > very hyper, would hit anyone, not follow directions, was very > sensory, visual stims, and OCD behaviors that kept increasing and > increasing, etc. Now, to make this very clear, this was not his > normal behavior pre-Valtrex, but when he takes something he seemingly > cannot tolerate, he usually reacts by becoming stimmy and hyper. So > after " riding it out " while taking the 2x per day dose for 5-6 weeks, > we took him down to the reduced dosage and things were better, well > at least more manageable... Things were getting complicated at home, > but mostly at school, so after finishing the initial Valtrex we had > in Nov. 05, we decided to wait a few months until re-starting. We > are now getting ready to start in a matter of a few days and I am > dreading the effects, (mostly because of school), but I guess, I will > start slow and get him to the 1x per day dose and keep him there for > a while before I increase it. I figured, better get some Valtrex in > at a slower rate than none. He should still benefit from it--it just > may take longer to see the desired results. He was a definite > responder to Valtrex and is unvaccinated but yet has ASD and Apraxia > of Speech. The Apraxia is the most problematic for him. After > Valtrex, he is now clearer, can speak in full sentences, and even > started asking WH questions, although not often but still, he did it > spontenously. He had a major fine-motor regression as well, but > seems to finally have overcome 75% of it by now. So, in re- starting > Valtrex in a few days (we started Diflucan 3 days ago), I am hoping > to see more gains in these areas because he is so, so close to > becoming " recovered " , but we feel we have not found that missing > piece to get him over this " obstacle " . Expressive speech and fine > motor are big ones for him, areas that need major " clean up " , ASD is > more secondary. In fact, I am currently taking OLE (which I knew > about over a yar and a half ago but never did until I would get sick, > if at all, and would take it temporarily and then forget about it). > So now, I have been taking it for close to a week, and I can say I > don't feel too great: tired/sluggish (unusual for me), a sore throat > too. This all started after taking OLE for 1 day at 2 caps 2x per > day. I was taking 2 caps 2x per day but decided to reduce it (as I > was feeling worse) to 1 cap 2x per day and see how it goes and adjust > as needed. Although I have been pretty healthy most of my life, I > know I must have a big viral issue, hence my son developing ASD, so > we'll see what happens. > > Mari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 In a message dated 4/19/2006 6:10:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, emmy@... writes: One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed > entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were > different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated > them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was > weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us.> remember: our children's bodies are constantly changing. they are dynamic not static. i look at this as a positive sign. i would hope as time goes on, my son will need less and less (meds/suppliments). vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Yes, Vicki. That is exactly what I meant. It is definitely a positive sign, but it was weird. I was so shocked that so many things had changed in such a short amount of time during the healing regression. > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 6:10:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > emmy@... writes: > > One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed > > entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were > > different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated > > them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was > > weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us. > > > > > > remember: our children's bodies are constantly changing. they are dynamic > not static. i look at this as a positive sign. i would hope as time goes on, > my son will need less and less (meds/suppliments). > > vicki > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Yes, Vicki. That is exactly what I meant. It is definitely a positive sign, but it was weird. I was so shocked that so many things had changed in such a short amount of time during the healing regression. > > > In a message dated 4/19/2006 6:10:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > emmy@... writes: > > One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed > > entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were > > different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated > > them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was > > weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us. > > > > > > remember: our children's bodies are constantly changing. they are dynamic > not static. i look at this as a positive sign. i would hope as time goes on, > my son will need less and less (meds/suppliments). > > vicki > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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