Dr Amy Yasko virus explanation

[Guest guest]

This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by Dr Yasko. My

question is how does it work if no outward symptoms are present or

the virus is latent?

Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two things: lower

the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed to be able to

do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an antiviral. Valtrex

crosses the BBB which is good for both functions just mentioned.

What do you guys think?

YASKO:

Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are all DNA

viruses.

Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The information that

is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One way to think

about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the warehouse, and RNA

is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I use in talks,

and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA more slowly so you

can really understand it better) is my " home depot " example. DNA is

all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of home depot. RNA is

the building materials you need for a particular job, let's say to

build your house, and then the completed project that you can see,

the house itself, is the protein.

Our genetic material (all of our information) is stored as DNA. When

we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes, it can multiply

which is what we see as active infection or outbreaks. Or, it can be

latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our DNA in our cells.

If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

Then imagine cutting the string that holds the beads. Now insert

some colored beads in the middle of your pearl necklace. Now rejoin

the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a group of red beads

in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just sit there until

conditions are such that the red beads can pop back out, leaving the

pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now multiply and

cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA herpes that are

now active can create symptoms, some can pop back into the pearl

necklace of our DNA.

When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a latent form to an

active form it needs to multiply. In order to multiply it needs to

make more of its own DNA. There are four building blocks for DNA

(again explained in much more easy to understand detail in the RNA

book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of these four

building blocks for DNA. The building block provided by valtrex is

altered so that it interferes with the process for linking the beads

together to make more virus.

So, valtrex actually interferes with viral replication. It does not

suppress the virus.

In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be actively

replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is still stuck in the

form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the valtrex cannot act

[Guest guest]

That is a great question for a virologist. As you know

and what i want to emphasize, response to treatment

may not be indicated by a positive test. Anti viral

titres are not decesion drivers for yay or nay

treatment. i know you are aware of that. One can try

with or without the viral titres but if one is able,

it is always best to test. hope Cade has a good today

and a better tomorrow!

--- nicolewallaceouaf <nicolewallaceouaf@...>

wrote:

> This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> Dr Yasko. My

> question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> are present or

> the virus is latent?

>

> Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> things: lower

> the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> to be able to

> do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> antiviral. Valtrex

> crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> just mentioned.

>

> What do you guys think?

>

>

>

> YASKO:

> Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> all DNA

> viruses.

>

> Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

>

> Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> information that

> is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> way to think

> about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> warehouse, and RNA

> is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> use in talks,

> and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> more slowly so you

> can really understand it better) is my " home depot "

> example. DNA is

> all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> home depot. RNA is

> the building materials you need for a particular

> job, let's say to

> build your house, and then the completed project

> that you can see,

> the house itself, is the protein.

>

> Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> stored as DNA. When

> we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> it can multiply

> which is what we see as active infection or

> outbreaks. Or, it can be

> latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> DNA in our cells.

> If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> beads. Now insert

> some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> necklace. Now rejoin

> the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> group of red beads

> in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> sit there until

> conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> out, leaving the

> pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> multiply and

> cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> herpes that are

> now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> into the pearl

> necklace of our DNA.

>

> When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> latent form to an

> active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> multiply it needs to

> make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> blocks for DNA

> (again explained in much more easy to understand

> detail in the RNA

> book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> these four

> building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> by valtrex is

> altered so that it interferes with the process for

> linking the beads

> together to make more virus.

>

> So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> replication. It does not

> suppress the virus.

>

> In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> actively

> replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> still stuck in the

> form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> valtrex cannot act

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

That is a great question for a virologist. As you know

and what i want to emphasize, response to treatment

may not be indicated by a positive test. Anti viral

titres are not decesion drivers for yay or nay

treatment. i know you are aware of that. One can try

with or without the viral titres but if one is able,

it is always best to test. hope Cade has a good today

and a better tomorrow!

--- nicolewallaceouaf <nicolewallaceouaf@...>

wrote:

> This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> Dr Yasko. My

> question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> are present or

> the virus is latent?

>

> Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> things: lower

> the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> to be able to

> do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> antiviral. Valtrex

> crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> just mentioned.

>

> What do you guys think?

>

>

>

> YASKO:

> Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> all DNA

> viruses.

>

> Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

>

> Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> information that

> is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> way to think

> about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> warehouse, and RNA

> is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> use in talks,

> and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> more slowly so you

> can really understand it better) is my " home depot "

> example. DNA is

> all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> home depot. RNA is

> the building materials you need for a particular

> job, let's say to

> build your house, and then the completed project

> that you can see,

> the house itself, is the protein.

>

> Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> stored as DNA. When

> we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> it can multiply

> which is what we see as active infection or

> outbreaks. Or, it can be

> latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> DNA in our cells.

> If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> beads. Now insert

> some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> necklace. Now rejoin

> the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> group of red beads

> in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> sit there until

> conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> out, leaving the

> pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> multiply and

> cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> herpes that are

> now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> into the pearl

> necklace of our DNA.

>

> When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> latent form to an

> active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> multiply it needs to

> make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> blocks for DNA

> (again explained in much more easy to understand

> detail in the RNA

> book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> these four

> building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> by valtrex is

> altered so that it interferes with the process for

> linking the beads

> together to make more virus.

>

> So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> replication. It does not

> suppress the virus.

>

> In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> actively

> replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> still stuck in the

> form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> valtrex cannot act

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

That is a great explanation of how the Valtrex works on the DNA virus. Can you

explain

what to use on RNA virus and how that works in the methylation process as well.

Thank

you for explaining this. I am very interested in her protocol.

thnak selena

>

> > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> > Dr Yasko. My

> > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> > are present or

> > the virus is latent?

> >

> > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> > things: lower

> > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> > to be able to

> > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> > antiviral. Valtrex

> > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> > just mentioned.

> >

> > What do you guys think?

> >

> >

> >

> > YASKO:

> > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> > all DNA

> > viruses.

> >

> > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

> >

> > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> > information that

> > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> > way to think

> > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> > warehouse, and RNA

> > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> > use in talks,

> > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> > more slowly so you

> > can really understand it better) is my " home depot "

> > example. DNA is

> > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> > home depot. RNA is

> > the building materials you need for a particular

> > job, let's say to

> > build your house, and then the completed project

> > that you can see,

> > the house itself, is the protein.

> >

> > Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> > stored as DNA. When

> > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> > it can multiply

> > which is what we see as active infection or

> > outbreaks. Or, it can be

> > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> > DNA in our cells.

> > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> > beads. Now insert

> > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> > necklace. Now rejoin

> > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> > group of red beads

> > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> > sit there until

> > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> > out, leaving the

> > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> > multiply and

> > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> > herpes that are

> > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> > into the pearl

> > necklace of our DNA.

> >

> > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> > latent form to an

> > active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> > multiply it needs to

> > make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> > blocks for DNA

> > (again explained in much more easy to understand

> > detail in the RNA

> > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> > these four

> > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> > by valtrex is

> > altered so that it interferes with the process for

> > linking the beads

> > together to make more virus.

> >

> > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> > replication. It does not

> > suppress the virus.

> >

> > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> > actively

> > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> > still stuck in the

> > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> > valtrex cannot act

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

That is a great explanation of how the Valtrex works on the DNA virus. Can you

explain

what to use on RNA virus and how that works in the methylation process as well.

Thank

you for explaining this. I am very interested in her protocol.

thnak selena

>

> > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> > Dr Yasko. My

> > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> > are present or

> > the virus is latent?

> >

> > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> > things: lower

> > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> > to be able to

> > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> > antiviral. Valtrex

> > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> > just mentioned.

> >

> > What do you guys think?

> >

> >

> >

> > YASKO:

> > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> > all DNA

> > viruses.

> >

> > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

> >

> > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> > information that

> > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> > way to think

> > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> > warehouse, and RNA

> > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> > use in talks,

> > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> > more slowly so you

> > can really understand it better) is my " home depot "

> > example. DNA is

> > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> > home depot. RNA is

> > the building materials you need for a particular

> > job, let's say to

> > build your house, and then the completed project

> > that you can see,

> > the house itself, is the protein.

> >

> > Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> > stored as DNA. When

> > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> > it can multiply

> > which is what we see as active infection or

> > outbreaks. Or, it can be

> > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> > DNA in our cells.

> > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> > beads. Now insert

> > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> > necklace. Now rejoin

> > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> > group of red beads

> > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> > sit there until

> > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> > out, leaving the

> > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> > multiply and

> > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> > herpes that are

> > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> > into the pearl

> > necklace of our DNA.

> >

> > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> > latent form to an

> > active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> > multiply it needs to

> > make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> > blocks for DNA

> > (again explained in much more easy to understand

> > detail in the RNA

> > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> > these four

> > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> > by valtrex is

> > altered so that it interferes with the process for

> > linking the beads

> > together to make more virus.

> >

> > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> > replication. It does not

> > suppress the virus.

> >

> > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> > actively

> > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> > still stuck in the

> > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> > valtrex cannot act

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Would that mean that virus has to be made active (and how do you make it

active???) before Valtrex can work? Could it then mean that when we see

no results from antivirals it is because viruses are there but are not

currently replicating and we cannot get to them. ....

which could mean that even if we see no results from antivirals we could

still have a chronic virus problem at our hands??? Can anyone shed some

practical light on this?

TIA

Natasa

>

> > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> > Dr Yasko. My

> > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> > are present or

> > the virus is latent?

> >

> > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> > things: lower

> > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> > to be able to

> > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> > antiviral. Valtrex

> > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> > just mentioned.

> >

> > What do you guys think?

> >

> >

> >

> > YASKO:

> > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> > all DNA

> > viruses.

> >

> > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

> >

> > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> > information that

> > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> > way to think

> > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> > warehouse, and RNA

> > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> > use in talks,

> > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> > more slowly so you

> > can really understand it better) is my " home depot "

> > example. DNA is

> > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> > home depot. RNA is

> > the building materials you need for a particular

> > job, let's say to

> > build your house, and then the completed project

> > that you can see,

> > the house itself, is the protein.

> >

> > Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> > stored as DNA. When

> > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> > it can multiply

> > which is what we see as active infection or

> > outbreaks. Or, it can be

> > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> > DNA in our cells.

> > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> > beads. Now insert

> > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> > necklace. Now rejoin

> > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> > group of red beads

> > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> > sit there until

> > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> > out, leaving the

> > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> > multiply and

> > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> > herpes that are

> > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> > into the pearl

> > necklace of our DNA.

> >

> > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> > latent form to an

> > active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> > multiply it needs to

> > make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> > blocks for DNA

> > (again explained in much more easy to understand

> > detail in the RNA

> > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> > these four

> > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> > by valtrex is

> > altered so that it interferes with the process for

> > linking the beads

> > together to make more virus.

> >

> > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> > replication. It does not

> > suppress the virus.

> >

> > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> > actively

> > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> > still stuck in the

> > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> > valtrex cannot act

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Would that mean that virus has to be made active (and how do you make it

active???) before Valtrex can work? Could it then mean that when we see

no results from antivirals it is because viruses are there but are not

currently replicating and we cannot get to them. ....

which could mean that even if we see no results from antivirals we could

still have a chronic virus problem at our hands??? Can anyone shed some

practical light on this?

TIA

Natasa

>

> > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> > Dr Yasko. My

> > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> > are present or

> > the virus is latent?

> >

> > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> > things: lower

> > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> > to be able to

> > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> > antiviral. Valtrex

> > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> > just mentioned.

> >

> > What do you guys think?

> >

> >

> >

> > YASKO:

> > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> > all DNA

> > viruses.

> >

> > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

> >

> > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> > information that

> > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> > way to think

> > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> > warehouse, and RNA

> > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> > use in talks,

> > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> > more slowly so you

> > can really understand it better) is my " home depot "

> > example. DNA is

> > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> > home depot. RNA is

> > the building materials you need for a particular

> > job, let's say to

> > build your house, and then the completed project

> > that you can see,

> > the house itself, is the protein.

> >

> > Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> > stored as DNA. When

> > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> > it can multiply

> > which is what we see as active infection or

> > outbreaks. Or, it can be

> > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> > DNA in our cells.

> > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> > beads. Now insert

> > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> > necklace. Now rejoin

> > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> > group of red beads

> > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> > sit there until

> > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> > out, leaving the

> > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> > multiply and

> > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> > herpes that are

> > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> > into the pearl

> > necklace of our DNA.

> >

> > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> > latent form to an

> > active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> > multiply it needs to

> > make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> > blocks for DNA

> > (again explained in much more easy to understand

> > detail in the RNA

> > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> > these four

> > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> > by valtrex is

> > altered so that it interferes with the process for

> > linking the beads

> > together to make more virus.

> >

> > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> > replication. It does not

> > suppress the virus.

> >

> > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> > actively

> > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> > still stuck in the

> > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> > valtrex cannot act

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Her Metals 4 does that, I believe. natasa778 <neno@...> wrote: Would that mean that virus has to be made active (and how do you make itactive???) before Valtrex can work? Could it then mean that when we seeno results from antivirals it is because viruses are there but are notcurrently replicating and we cannot get to them. ....which could mean that even if we see no results from antivirals we couldstill have a chronic virus problem at our hands??? Can anyone shed somepractical light on this?TIANatasa>> > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by> > Dr Yasko. My> > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms> > are present or> > the virus is latent?> >> > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:> > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two> > things: lower> > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed> > to be able to> > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an> > antiviral.

Valtrex> > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions> > just mentioned.> >> > What do you guys think?> >> > > >> > YASKO:> > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are> > all DNA> > viruses.> >> > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.> >> > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The> > information that> > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One> > way to think> > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the> > warehouse, and RNA> > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I> > use in talks,> > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA> > more slowly so you> > can really understand it better) is my "home depot"> > example. DNA is>

> all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of> > home depot. RNA is> > the building materials you need for a particular> > job, let's say to> > build your house, and then the completed project> > that you can see,> > the house itself, is the protein.> >> > Our genetic material (all of our information) is> > stored as DNA. When> > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,> > it can multiply> > which is what we see as active infection or> > outbreaks. Or, it can be> > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our> > DNA in our cells.> > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.> > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the> > beads. Now insert> > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl> > necklace. Now rejoin> > the

necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a> > group of red beads> > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just> > sit there until> > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back> > out, leaving the> > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now> > multiply and> > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA> > herpes that are> > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back> > into the pearl> > necklace of our DNA.> >> > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a> > latent form to an> > active form it needs to multiply. In order to> > multiply it needs to> > make more of its own DNA. There are four building> > blocks for DNA> > (again explained in much more easy to understand> > detail in the RNA> > book). The

way valtrex works is to replace one of> > these four> > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided> > by valtrex is> > altered so that it interferes with the process for> > linking the beads> > together to make more virus.> >> > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral> > replication. It does not> > suppress the virus.> >> > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be> > actively> > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is> > still stuck in the> > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the> > valtrex cannot act> >> >> >> >>>> __________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

High dose vitamin A for measles. I don't know the exact protocol

off the top of my head.

Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses. Measles and mumps

are retroviruses, which means that they can reverse their RNA, back

to DNA,and then they are able to get stuck inside our pearl

necklaces. Then when they are ready to multiply again, the red beads

pop out of our DNA, and turn back into RNA to make more viral RNA.

While rubella is not a retrovirus, in other words it does not have

the equipment to reverse its RNA into DNA, it is able to borrow this

equipment from measles and mumps. So in the presence of other

retroviruses, rubella can act like a retrovirus.

Once viral DNA is integrated into our DNA, so once the red beads are

part of our pearl necklace, the viral DNA can be copied when our DNA

is copied. The way that the viral DNA is silenced, so that it is not

active is by methyl groups. The body recognizes DNA that is not our

own, DNA that is foreign, and it puts methyl groups on it to keep it

quiet. If we have methylation cycle mutations we cannot do this

properly.

>

> That is a great explanation of how the Valtrex works on the DNA

virus. Can you explain

> what to use on RNA virus and how that works in the methylation

process as well. Thank

> you for explaining this. I am very interested in her protocol.

> thnak selena

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks to you. tHis is so over my head. My DAN did a blood test on both

of my kids and it showed they had antibodies for Epstein Barr. I

actually had a naturopath tell me 4 years ago that I was showing to have

some epstein Barr in some test he did on me. I never really followed up

on this due to expense and I was not symptomatic. The virus thing is a

strange tricky thing. Anyway, Do you or does anyone else know whether

epstein Barr is a DNA or RNA virus? My daughter also had a single

vaccine dose of measles at 4 years. She did not have mumps or rubella.

She was on on valtrex for about 8 months. She is off but she showed to

have this epstein Barr antibody and I am not sure what it showed for

the measles. She did not have a herpes antibody.

Anyway, does anyone know of anything that will work to fight the Epstein

Barr virus.

8 months of the valtrex apparently did not do it.

2 additional questons 1) What is a pearl necklace? 2) Someone posted

about Amy Yasko's DNA test how can I find out more info. on this test

and what type of info. it will give me?

Thanks

> >

> > That is a great explanation of how the Valtrex works on the DNA

> virus. Can you explain

> > what to use on RNA virus and how that works in the methylation

> process as well. Thank

> > you for explaining this. I am very interested in her protocol.

> > thnak selena

> >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks to you. tHis is so over my head. My DAN did a blood test on both

of my kids and it showed they had antibodies for Epstein Barr. I

actually had a naturopath tell me 4 years ago that I was showing to have

some epstein Barr in some test he did on me. I never really followed up

on this due to expense and I was not symptomatic. The virus thing is a

strange tricky thing. Anyway, Do you or does anyone else know whether

epstein Barr is a DNA or RNA virus? My daughter also had a single

vaccine dose of measles at 4 years. She did not have mumps or rubella.

She was on on valtrex for about 8 months. She is off but she showed to

have this epstein Barr antibody and I am not sure what it showed for

the measles. She did not have a herpes antibody.

Anyway, does anyone know of anything that will work to fight the Epstein

Barr virus.

8 months of the valtrex apparently did not do it.

2 additional questons 1) What is a pearl necklace? 2) Someone posted

about Amy Yasko's DNA test how can I find out more info. on this test

and what type of info. it will give me?

Thanks

> >

> > That is a great explanation of how the Valtrex works on the DNA

> virus. Can you explain

> > what to use on RNA virus and how that works in the methylation

> process as well. Thank

> > you for explaining this. I am very interested in her protocol.

> > thnak selena

> >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This was great Question but I dunno if it was answered directly Or I

just missed thee explanation.

Please if any one would elaborate a bit more on the viral connection

how it works, and the mount of defense,

I think we all can learn a bit more

Thanks

Kenny V

> >

> > > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> > > Dr Yasko. My

> > > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> > > are present or

> > > the virus is latent?

> > >

> > > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> > > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> > > things: lower

> > > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> > > to be able to

> > > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> > > antiviral. Valtrex

> > > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> > > just mentioned.

> > >

> > > What do you guys think?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > YASKO:

> > > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> > > all DNA

> > > viruses.

> > >

> > > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

> > >

> > > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> > > information that

> > > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> > > way to think

> > > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> > > warehouse, and RNA

> > > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> > > use in talks,

> > > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> > > more slowly so you

> > > can really understand it better) is my " home depot "

> > > example. DNA is

> > > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> > > home depot. RNA is

> > > the building materials you need for a particular

> > > job, let's say to

> > > build your house, and then the completed project

> > > that you can see,

> > > the house itself, is the protein.

> > >

> > > Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> > > stored as DNA. When

> > > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> > > it can multiply

> > > which is what we see as active infection or

> > > outbreaks. Or, it can be

> > > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> > > DNA in our cells.

> > > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> > > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> > > beads. Now insert

> > > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> > > necklace. Now rejoin

> > > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> > > group of red beads

> > > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> > > sit there until

> > > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> > > out, leaving the

> > > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> > > multiply and

> > > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> > > herpes that are

> > > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> > > into the pearl

> > > necklace of our DNA.

> > >

> > > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> > > latent form to an

> > > active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> > > multiply it needs to

> > > make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> > > blocks for DNA

> > > (again explained in much more easy to understand

> > > detail in the RNA

> > > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> > > these four

> > > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> > > by valtrex is

> > > altered so that it interferes with the process for

> > > linking the beads

> > > together to make more virus.

> > >

> > > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> > > replication. It does not

> > > suppress the virus.

> > >

> > > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> > > actively

> > > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> > > still stuck in the

> > > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> > > valtrex cannot act

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

>>> Please if any one would elaborate a bit more on the viral

connection how it works, and the mount of defense, I think we all can

learn a bit more >>>

I'll second that! I was just about to post the same thing.

jodi

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[Guest guest]

>>> Please if any one would elaborate a bit more on the viral

connection how it works, and the mount of defense, I think we all can

learn a bit more >>>

I'll second that! I was just about to post the same thing.

jodi

><{{{>

[Guest guest]

Okay, out of my depth here, but I shall try to explain my

understanding of this.

One of the reasons that I believe Andy Cutler's advice on a

successful antiviral protocol, is that he points out that you should

throw anything and everything you can at the viruses WITHOUT

rotating them until the viruses are dealt with. One reason for that

is you don't want to give the viruses a chance to build resistance

by rotation. But another very important reason is that most of the

antivirals work somewhat differently.

Valtrex is meant to stop the replication of the herpes II virus.

Hence, Dr. Yasko's explanation as to why the virus needs to become

active in order for the Valtrex to work. If someone had the herpes

virus and never had episodes of lesions, well, they wouldn't take

Valtrex, because they might not even know that they have the virus,

and, more importantly, the Valtrex is meant to stop the lesions, not

eliminate the virus. This is how Valtrex works for adults without

ASD. How exactly it is working in ASD kids is not as well

understood. It would seem that there is more to it.

For two of the antivirals I use for my son, the mechanism by which

they work is different from Valtrex. For example, Lauricidin. This

is from the website:

" The antiviral action attributed to monolaurin is that of fluidizing

the lipids and phospholipids in the envelope of the virus, causing

the disintegration of the microbial membrane. More recent studies

indicate that one antimicrobial effect in bacteria is related to

monolaurin's interference with signal transduction/toxin formation

(Projan et al 1994). Another antimicrobial effect in viruses is due

to lauric acid's interference with virus assembly and viral

maturation (Hornung et al 1994). The third mode of action may be on

the immune system itself (Witcher et al, 1993). "

It would seem that the one of the main ways that Lauricidin works on

the HV is by " fluidizing " part of the viral envelope. It would seem

that the virus needn't be active for this to happen. Lauricidin

works on HV I and II, as well as others like CMV, HIV, etc.

Virastop is a bit the same. It digests the protein envelope, making

the virus vulnerable to immune defenses. Again, the virus needn't

be active in order to be digested.

posted some very helpful comments on all this about 3 weeks

ago at enzymes and autism which would be very helpful for anyone

trying to figure this stuff out and how it might apply to their

child. Unfortunately, while I was typing this, the messages there

were unavailable. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can

find the message numbers later on and post them.

I have NO signs of viral problems; that is, all of my viruses are

dormant and always have been, except when I had chicken pox and

mumps as a child. But my reaction to VS and OLE was quite a strong

one. I plan on doing another, better planned viral protocol on

myself, including Lauricidin this time. The fact that my viruses

are dormant being little comfort to me. I want them inactivated,

dead, whatever we want to call it.

I don't think too many of our kids would be dealing with only ONE

specific virus. It just seems unlikely given their compromised

immune systems and the fact that viruses are everywhere. So, given

that different antivirals work by different mechanisms on different

viruses, a multipronged antiviral protocol would just make sense.

There are many examples of ASD kids being put on Valtrex with no

benefit. Now, those kids may not have viral issues, although it

seems unlikely given that most doctors would Rx Valtrex for a good

reason. What seems a more logical explanation to me is what Dr.

Yasko presented, or that these kids viral problems were out of the

domain of Valtrex (plus these kids may not have need the added

benefit that some kids obviously do of having their adenosine levels

lowered).

One other thought. The immune systems in healthy kids may be much

more powerful in some ways than adult immune systems. I am thinking

of the children who were born HIV positive, but had immune systems

strong enough to launch a successful assault on the virus so that

eventually they were no longer HIV positive. Now, my son's immune

system certainly isn't a healthy one, but it does give me great hope

that if I support his immune system well enough with supplements,

proper nutrition, healthy lifestyle, and removing the poisons from

his system, then these viral problems won't always be problems--that

is, with the help of a good viral protocol. This would likely be a

factor in the wide range of responses we see in viral kids to

antiviral protocols: the strength of their immune system. Maybe

the kids with better immune systems might need fewer antivirals for

a shorter period of time, and the opposite being true for kids with

truly terrible immune systems. Just thinking aloud there.

I'm not sure if that answers the question. Or any question, for

that matter.

Anita

> > >

> > > > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> > > > Dr Yasko. My

> > > > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> > > > are present or

> > > > the virus is latent?

> > > >

> > > > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> > > > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> > > > things: lower

> > > > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> > > > to be able to

> > > > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> > > > antiviral. Valtrex

> > > > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> > > > just mentioned.

> > > >

> > > > What do you guys think?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > YASKO:

> > > > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> > > > all DNA

> > > > viruses.

> > > >

> > > > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

> > > >

> > > > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> > > > information that

> > > > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> > > > way to think

> > > > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> > > > warehouse, and RNA

> > > > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> > > > use in talks,

> > > > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> > > > more slowly so you

> > > > can really understand it better) is my " home depot "

> > > > example. DNA is

> > > > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> > > > home depot. RNA is

> > > > the building materials you need for a particular

> > > > job, let's say to

> > > > build your house, and then the completed project

> > > > that you can see,

> > > > the house itself, is the protein.

> > > >

> > > > Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> > > > stored as DNA. When

> > > > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> > > > it can multiply

> > > > which is what we see as active infection or

> > > > outbreaks. Or, it can be

> > > > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> > > > DNA in our cells.

> > > > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> > > > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> > > > beads. Now insert

> > > > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> > > > necklace. Now rejoin

> > > > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> > > > group of red beads

> > > > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> > > > sit there until

> > > > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> > > > out, leaving the

> > > > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> > > > multiply and

> > > > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> > > > herpes that are

> > > > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> > > > into the pearl

> > > > necklace of our DNA.

> > > >

> > > > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> > > > latent form to an

> > > > active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> > > > multiply it needs to

> > > > make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> > > > blocks for DNA

> > > > (again explained in much more easy to understand

> > > > detail in the RNA

> > > > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> > > > these four

> > > > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> > > > by valtrex is

> > > > altered so that it interferes with the process for

> > > > linking the beads

> > > > together to make more virus.

> > > >

> > > > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> > > > replication. It does not

> > > > suppress the virus.

> > > >

> > > > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> > > > actively

> > > > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> > > > still stuck in the

> > > > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> > > > valtrex cannot act

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Okay, out of my depth here, but I shall try to explain my

understanding of this.

One of the reasons that I believe Andy Cutler's advice on a

successful antiviral protocol, is that he points out that you should

throw anything and everything you can at the viruses WITHOUT

rotating them until the viruses are dealt with. One reason for that

is you don't want to give the viruses a chance to build resistance

by rotation. But another very important reason is that most of the

antivirals work somewhat differently.

Valtrex is meant to stop the replication of the herpes II virus.

Hence, Dr. Yasko's explanation as to why the virus needs to become

active in order for the Valtrex to work. If someone had the herpes

virus and never had episodes of lesions, well, they wouldn't take

Valtrex, because they might not even know that they have the virus,

and, more importantly, the Valtrex is meant to stop the lesions, not

eliminate the virus. This is how Valtrex works for adults without

ASD. How exactly it is working in ASD kids is not as well

understood. It would seem that there is more to it.

For two of the antivirals I use for my son, the mechanism by which

they work is different from Valtrex. For example, Lauricidin. This

is from the website:

" The antiviral action attributed to monolaurin is that of fluidizing

the lipids and phospholipids in the envelope of the virus, causing

the disintegration of the microbial membrane. More recent studies

indicate that one antimicrobial effect in bacteria is related to

monolaurin's interference with signal transduction/toxin formation

(Projan et al 1994). Another antimicrobial effect in viruses is due

to lauric acid's interference with virus assembly and viral

maturation (Hornung et al 1994). The third mode of action may be on

the immune system itself (Witcher et al, 1993). "

It would seem that the one of the main ways that Lauricidin works on

the HV is by " fluidizing " part of the viral envelope. It would seem

that the virus needn't be active for this to happen. Lauricidin

works on HV I and II, as well as others like CMV, HIV, etc.

Virastop is a bit the same. It digests the protein envelope, making

the virus vulnerable to immune defenses. Again, the virus needn't

be active in order to be digested.

posted some very helpful comments on all this about 3 weeks

ago at enzymes and autism which would be very helpful for anyone

trying to figure this stuff out and how it might apply to their

child. Unfortunately, while I was typing this, the messages there

were unavailable. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can

find the message numbers later on and post them.

I have NO signs of viral problems; that is, all of my viruses are

dormant and always have been, except when I had chicken pox and

mumps as a child. But my reaction to VS and OLE was quite a strong

one. I plan on doing another, better planned viral protocol on

myself, including Lauricidin this time. The fact that my viruses

are dormant being little comfort to me. I want them inactivated,

dead, whatever we want to call it.

I don't think too many of our kids would be dealing with only ONE

specific virus. It just seems unlikely given their compromised

immune systems and the fact that viruses are everywhere. So, given

that different antivirals work by different mechanisms on different

viruses, a multipronged antiviral protocol would just make sense.

There are many examples of ASD kids being put on Valtrex with no

benefit. Now, those kids may not have viral issues, although it

seems unlikely given that most doctors would Rx Valtrex for a good

reason. What seems a more logical explanation to me is what Dr.

Yasko presented, or that these kids viral problems were out of the

domain of Valtrex (plus these kids may not have need the added

benefit that some kids obviously do of having their adenosine levels

lowered).

One other thought. The immune systems in healthy kids may be much

more powerful in some ways than adult immune systems. I am thinking

of the children who were born HIV positive, but had immune systems

strong enough to launch a successful assault on the virus so that

eventually they were no longer HIV positive. Now, my son's immune

system certainly isn't a healthy one, but it does give me great hope

that if I support his immune system well enough with supplements,

proper nutrition, healthy lifestyle, and removing the poisons from

his system, then these viral problems won't always be problems--that

is, with the help of a good viral protocol. This would likely be a

factor in the wide range of responses we see in viral kids to

antiviral protocols: the strength of their immune system. Maybe

the kids with better immune systems might need fewer antivirals for

a shorter period of time, and the opposite being true for kids with

truly terrible immune systems. Just thinking aloud there.

I'm not sure if that answers the question. Or any question, for

that matter.

Anita

> > >

> > > > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> > > > Dr Yasko. My

> > > > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> > > > are present or

> > > > the virus is latent?

> > > >

> > > > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> > > > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> > > > things: lower

> > > > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> > > > to be able to

> > > > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> > > > antiviral. Valtrex

> > > > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> > > > just mentioned.

> > > >

> > > > What do you guys think?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > YASKO:

> > > > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> > > > all DNA

> > > > viruses.

> > > >

> > > > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

> > > >

> > > > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> > > > information that

> > > > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> > > > way to think

> > > > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> > > > warehouse, and RNA

> > > > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> > > > use in talks,

> > > > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> > > > more slowly so you

> > > > can really understand it better) is my " home depot "

> > > > example. DNA is

> > > > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> > > > home depot. RNA is

> > > > the building materials you need for a particular

> > > > job, let's say to

> > > > build your house, and then the completed project

> > > > that you can see,

> > > > the house itself, is the protein.

> > > >

> > > > Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> > > > stored as DNA. When

> > > > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> > > > it can multiply

> > > > which is what we see as active infection or

> > > > outbreaks. Or, it can be

> > > > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> > > > DNA in our cells.

> > > > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> > > > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> > > > beads. Now insert

> > > > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> > > > necklace. Now rejoin

> > > > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> > > > group of red beads

> > > > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> > > > sit there until

> > > > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> > > > out, leaving the

> > > > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> > > > multiply and

> > > > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> > > > herpes that are

> > > > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> > > > into the pearl

> > > > necklace of our DNA.

> > > >

> > > > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> > > > latent form to an

> > > > active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> > > > multiply it needs to

> > > > make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> > > > blocks for DNA

> > > > (again explained in much more easy to understand

> > > > detail in the RNA

> > > > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> > > > these four

> > > > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> > > > by valtrex is

> > > > altered so that it interferes with the process for

> > > > linking the beads

> > > > together to make more virus.

> > > >

> > > > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> > > > replication. It does not

> > > > suppress the virus.

> > > >

> > > > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> > > > actively

> > > > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> > > > still stuck in the

> > > > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> > > > valtrex cannot act

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Anita,

Thanks so much for thinking out loud to the group on this subject. The whole virus issue is so new and confusing to me, that I really appreciate any help in making sense of it all. When you do get the chance, I would love to find out the message numbers of the posts by that you spoke of.

Thanks again,

Sheryl

Re: Dr Amy Yasko virus explanation

Okay, out of my depth here, but I shall try to explain my understanding of this. One of the reasons that I believe Andy Cutler's advice on a successful antiviral protocol, is that he points out that you should throw anything and everything you can at the viruses WITHOUT rotating them until the viruses are dealt with. One reason for that is you don't want to give the viruses a chance to build resistance by rotation. But another very important reason is that most of the antivirals work somewhat differently.Valtrex is meant to stop the replication of the herpes II virus. Hence, Dr. Yasko's explanation as to why the virus needs to become active in order for the Valtrex to work. If someone had the herpes virus and never had episodes of lesions, well, they wouldn't take Valtrex, because they might not even know that they have the virus, and, more importantly, the Valtrex is meant to stop the lesions, not eliminate the virus. This is how Valtrex works for adults without ASD. How exactly it is working in ASD kids is not as well understood. It would seem that there is more to it. For two of the antivirals I use for my son, the mechanism by which they work is different from Valtrex. For example, Lauricidin. This is from the website: "The antiviral action attributed to monolaurin is that of fluidizing the lipids and phospholipids in the envelope of the virus, causing the disintegration of the microbial membrane. More recent studies indicate that one antimicrobial effect in bacteria is related to monolaurin's interference with signal transduction/toxin formation (Projan et al 1994). Another antimicrobial effect in viruses is due to lauric acid's interference with virus assembly and viral maturation (Hornung et al 1994). The third mode of action may be on the immune system itself (Witcher et al, 1993). "It would seem that the one of the main ways that Lauricidin works on the HV is by "fluidizing" part of the viral envelope. It would seem that the virus needn't be active for this to happen. Lauricidin works on HV I and II, as well as others like CMV, HIV, etc. Virastop is a bit the same. It digests the protein envelope, making the virus vulnerable to immune defenses. Again, the virus needn't be active in order to be digested. posted some very helpful comments on all this about 3 weeks ago at enzymes and autism which would be very helpful for anyone trying to figure this stuff out and how it might apply to their child. Unfortunately, while I was typing this, the messages there were unavailable. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can find the message numbers later on and post them. I have NO signs of viral problems; that is, all of my viruses are dormant and always have been, except when I had chicken pox and mumps as a child. But my reaction to VS and OLE was quite a strong one. I plan on doing another, better planned viral protocol on myself, including Lauricidin this time. The fact that my viruses are dormant being little comfort to me. I want them inactivated, dead, whatever we want to call it.I don't think too many of our kids would be dealing with only ONE specific virus. It just seems unlikely given their compromised immune systems and the fact that viruses are everywhere. So, given that different antivirals work by different mechanisms on different viruses, a multipronged antiviral protocol would just make sense. There are many examples of ASD kids being put on Valtrex with no benefit. Now, those kids may not have viral issues, although it seems unlikely given that most doctors would Rx Valtrex for a good reason. What seems a more logical explanation to me is what Dr. Yasko presented, or that these kids viral problems were out of the domain of Valtrex (plus these kids may not have need the added benefit that some kids obviously do of having their adenosine levels lowered).One other thought. The immune systems in healthy kids may be much more powerful in some ways than adult immune systems. I am thinking of the children who were born HIV positive, but had immune systems strong enough to launch a successful assault on the virus so that eventually they were no longer HIV positive. Now, my son's immune system certainly isn't a healthy one, but it does give me great hope that if I support his immune system well enough with supplements, proper nutrition, healthy lifestyle, and removing the poisons from his system, then these viral problems won't always be problems--that is, with the help of a good viral protocol. This would likely be a factor in the wide range of responses we see in viral kids to antiviral protocols: the strength of their immune system. Maybe the kids with better immune systems might need fewer antivirals for a shorter period of time, and the opposite being true for kids with truly terrible immune systems. Just thinking aloud there.I'm not sure if that answers the question. Or any question, for that matter.Anita> > >> > > > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by> > > > Dr Yasko. My> > > > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms> > > > are present or> > > > the virus is latent?> > > >> > > > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:> > > > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two> > > > things: lower> > > > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed> > > > to be able to> > > > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an> > > > antiviral. Valtrex> > > > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions> > > > just mentioned.> > > >> > > > What do you guys think?> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > YASKO:> > > > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are> > > > all DNA> > > > viruses.> > > >> > > > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.> > > >> > > > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The> > > > information that> > > > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One> > > > way to think> > > > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the> > > > warehouse, and RNA> > > > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I> > > > use in talks,> > > > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA> > > > more slowly so you> > > > can really understand it better) is my "home depot"> > > > example. DNA is> > > > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of> > > > home depot. RNA is> > > > the building materials you need for a particular> > > > job, let's say to> > > > build your house, and then the completed project> > > > that you can see,> > > > the house itself, is the protein.> > > >> > > > Our genetic material (all of our information) is> > > > stored as DNA. When> > > > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,> > > > it can multiply> > > > which is what we see as active infection or> > > > outbreaks. Or, it can be> > > > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our> > > > DNA in our cells.> > > > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.> > > > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the> > > > beads. Now insert> > > > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl> > > > necklace. Now rejoin> > > > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a> > > > group of red beads> > > > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just> > > > sit there until> > > > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back> > > > out, leaving the> > > > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now> > > > multiply and> > > > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA> > > > herpes that are> > > > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back> > > > into the pearl> > > > necklace of our DNA.> > > >> > > > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a> > > > latent form to an> > > > active form it needs to multiply. In order to> > > > multiply it needs to> > > > make more of its own DNA. There are four building> > > > blocks for DNA> > > > (again explained in much more easy to understand> > > > detail in the RNA> > > > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of> > > > these four> > > > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided> > > > by valtrex is> > > > altered so that it interferes with the process for> > > > linking the beads> > > > together to make more virus.> > > >> > > > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral> > > > replication. It does not> > > > suppress the virus.> > > >> > > > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be> > > > actively> > > > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is> > > > still stuck in the> > > > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the> > > > valtrex cannot act> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > __________________________________________________> > >

[Guest guest]

Anita,

Thanks so much for thinking out loud to the group on this subject. The whole virus issue is so new and confusing to me, that I really appreciate any help in making sense of it all. When you do get the chance, I would love to find out the message numbers of the posts by that you spoke of.

Thanks again,

Sheryl

Re: Dr Amy Yasko virus explanation

Okay, out of my depth here, but I shall try to explain my understanding of this. One of the reasons that I believe Andy Cutler's advice on a successful antiviral protocol, is that he points out that you should throw anything and everything you can at the viruses WITHOUT rotating them until the viruses are dealt with. One reason for that is you don't want to give the viruses a chance to build resistance by rotation. But another very important reason is that most of the antivirals work somewhat differently.Valtrex is meant to stop the replication of the herpes II virus. Hence, Dr. Yasko's explanation as to why the virus needs to become active in order for the Valtrex to work. If someone had the herpes virus and never had episodes of lesions, well, they wouldn't take Valtrex, because they might not even know that they have the virus, and, more importantly, the Valtrex is meant to stop the lesions, not eliminate the virus. This is how Valtrex works for adults without ASD. How exactly it is working in ASD kids is not as well understood. It would seem that there is more to it. For two of the antivirals I use for my son, the mechanism by which they work is different from Valtrex. For example, Lauricidin. This is from the website: "The antiviral action attributed to monolaurin is that of fluidizing the lipids and phospholipids in the envelope of the virus, causing the disintegration of the microbial membrane. More recent studies indicate that one antimicrobial effect in bacteria is related to monolaurin's interference with signal transduction/toxin formation (Projan et al 1994). Another antimicrobial effect in viruses is due to lauric acid's interference with virus assembly and viral maturation (Hornung et al 1994). The third mode of action may be on the immune system itself (Witcher et al, 1993). "It would seem that the one of the main ways that Lauricidin works on the HV is by "fluidizing" part of the viral envelope. It would seem that the virus needn't be active for this to happen. Lauricidin works on HV I and II, as well as others like CMV, HIV, etc. Virastop is a bit the same. It digests the protein envelope, making the virus vulnerable to immune defenses. Again, the virus needn't be active in order to be digested. posted some very helpful comments on all this about 3 weeks ago at enzymes and autism which would be very helpful for anyone trying to figure this stuff out and how it might apply to their child. Unfortunately, while I was typing this, the messages there were unavailable. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can find the message numbers later on and post them. I have NO signs of viral problems; that is, all of my viruses are dormant and always have been, except when I had chicken pox and mumps as a child. But my reaction to VS and OLE was quite a strong one. I plan on doing another, better planned viral protocol on myself, including Lauricidin this time. The fact that my viruses are dormant being little comfort to me. I want them inactivated, dead, whatever we want to call it.I don't think too many of our kids would be dealing with only ONE specific virus. It just seems unlikely given their compromised immune systems and the fact that viruses are everywhere. So, given that different antivirals work by different mechanisms on different viruses, a multipronged antiviral protocol would just make sense. There are many examples of ASD kids being put on Valtrex with no benefit. Now, those kids may not have viral issues, although it seems unlikely given that most doctors would Rx Valtrex for a good reason. What seems a more logical explanation to me is what Dr. Yasko presented, or that these kids viral problems were out of the domain of Valtrex (plus these kids may not have need the added benefit that some kids obviously do of having their adenosine levels lowered).One other thought. The immune systems in healthy kids may be much more powerful in some ways than adult immune systems. I am thinking of the children who were born HIV positive, but had immune systems strong enough to launch a successful assault on the virus so that eventually they were no longer HIV positive. Now, my son's immune system certainly isn't a healthy one, but it does give me great hope that if I support his immune system well enough with supplements, proper nutrition, healthy lifestyle, and removing the poisons from his system, then these viral problems won't always be problems--that is, with the help of a good viral protocol. This would likely be a factor in the wide range of responses we see in viral kids to antiviral protocols: the strength of their immune system. Maybe the kids with better immune systems might need fewer antivirals for a shorter period of time, and the opposite being true for kids with truly terrible immune systems. Just thinking aloud there.I'm not sure if that answers the question. Or any question, for that matter.Anita> > >> > > > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by> > > > Dr Yasko. My> > > > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms> > > > are present or> > > > the virus is latent?> > > >> > > > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:> > > > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two> > > > things: lower> > > > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed> > > > to be able to> > > > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an> > > > antiviral. Valtrex> > > > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions> > > > just mentioned.> > > >> > > > What do you guys think?> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > YASKO:> > > > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are> > > > all DNA> > > > viruses.> > > >> > > > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.> > > >> > > > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The> > > > information that> > > > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One> > > > way to think> > > > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the> > > > warehouse, and RNA> > > > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I> > > > use in talks,> > > > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA> > > > more slowly so you> > > > can really understand it better) is my "home depot"> > > > example. DNA is> > > > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of> > > > home depot. RNA is> > > > the building materials you need for a particular> > > > job, let's say to> > > > build your house, and then the completed project> > > > that you can see,> > > > the house itself, is the protein.> > > >> > > > Our genetic material (all of our information) is> > > > stored as DNA. When> > > > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,> > > > it can multiply> > > > which is what we see as active infection or> > > > outbreaks. Or, it can be> > > > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our> > > > DNA in our cells.> > > > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.> > > > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the> > > > beads. Now insert> > > > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl> > > > necklace. Now rejoin> > > > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a> > > > group of red beads> > > > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just> > > > sit there until> > > > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back> > > > out, leaving the> > > > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now> > > > multiply and> > > > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA> > > > herpes that are> > > > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back> > > > into the pearl> > > > necklace of our DNA.> > > >> > > > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a> > > > latent form to an> > > > active form it needs to multiply. In order to> > > > multiply it needs to> > > > make more of its own DNA. There are four building> > > > blocks for DNA> > > > (again explained in much more easy to understand> > > > detail in the RNA> > > > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of> > > > these four> > > > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided> > > > by valtrex is> > > > altered so that it interferes with the process for> > > > linking the beads> > > > together to make more virus.> > > >> > > > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral> > > > replication. It does not> > > > suppress the virus.> > > >> > > > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be> > > > actively> > > > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is> > > > still stuck in the> > > > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the> > > > valtrex cannot act> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > __________________________________________________> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Anita!

Natasa

> > > >

> > > > > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> > > > > Dr Yasko. My

> > > > > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> > > > > are present or

> > > > > the virus is latent?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> > > > > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> > > > > things: lower

> > > > > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> > > > > to be able to

> > > > > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> > > > > antiviral. Valtrex

> > > > > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> > > > > just mentioned.

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you guys think?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > YASKO:

> > > > > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> > > > > all DNA

> > > > > viruses.

> > > > >

> > > > > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

> > > > >

> > > > > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> > > > > information that

> > > > > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> > > > > way to think

> > > > > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> > > > > warehouse, and RNA

> > > > > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> > > > > use in talks,

> > > > > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> > > > > more slowly so you

> > > > > can really understand it better) is my " home depot "

> > > > > example. DNA is

> > > > > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> > > > > home depot. RNA is

> > > > > the building materials you need for a particular

> > > > > job, let's say to

> > > > > build your house, and then the completed project

> > > > > that you can see,

> > > > > the house itself, is the protein.

> > > > >

> > > > > Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> > > > > stored as DNA. When

> > > > > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> > > > > it can multiply

> > > > > which is what we see as active infection or

> > > > > outbreaks. Or, it can be

> > > > > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> > > > > DNA in our cells.

> > > > > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> > > > > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> > > > > beads. Now insert

> > > > > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> > > > > necklace. Now rejoin

> > > > > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> > > > > group of red beads

> > > > > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> > > > > sit there until

> > > > > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> > > > > out, leaving the

> > > > > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> > > > > multiply and

> > > > > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> > > > > herpes that are

> > > > > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> > > > > into the pearl

> > > > > necklace of our DNA.

> > > > >

> > > > > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> > > > > latent form to an

> > > > > active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> > > > > multiply it needs to

> > > > > make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> > > > > blocks for DNA

> > > > > (again explained in much more easy to understand

> > > > > detail in the RNA

> > > > > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> > > > > these four

> > > > > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> > > > > by valtrex is

> > > > > altered so that it interferes with the process for

> > > > > linking the beads

> > > > > together to make more virus.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> > > > > replication. It does not

> > > > > suppress the virus.

> > > > >

> > > > > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> > > > > actively

> > > > > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> > > > > still stuck in the

> > > > > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> > > > > valtrex cannot act

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Anita!

Natasa

> > > >

> > > > > This is a good explanation of how valtrex works by

> > > > > Dr Yasko. My

> > > > > question is how does it work if no outward symptoms

> > > > > are present or

> > > > > the virus is latent?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also here are some notes from the DAN conference:

> > > > > They talked about Valtrex and its ability to do two

> > > > > things: lower

> > > > > the adenosine levels which in turn lowers SAH needed

> > > > > to be able to

> > > > > do proper DNA Methylation and also works as an

> > > > > antiviral. Valtrex

> > > > > crosses the BBB which is good for both functions

> > > > > just mentioned.

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you guys think?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > YASKO:

> > > > > Herpes is a DNA based virus. CMV, EBV, hepatitis are

> > > > > all DNA

> > > > > viruses.

> > > > >

> > > > > Measles, mumps and rubella are RNA based viruses.

> > > > >

> > > > > Our own genetic information is stored as DNA. The

> > > > > information that

> > > > > is used from the DNA is what is made into RNA. One

> > > > > way to think

> > > > > about it, is that DNA is all of the stock in the

> > > > > warehouse, and RNA

> > > > > is what you actually buy to use. The analogy that I

> > > > > use in talks,

> > > > > and in the RNA book (which describes DNA and RNA

> > > > > more slowly so you

> > > > > can really understand it better) is my " home depot "

> > > > > example. DNA is

> > > > > all the wood, nails, screws etc on the shelves of

> > > > > home depot. RNA is

> > > > > the building materials you need for a particular

> > > > > job, let's say to

> > > > > build your house, and then the completed project

> > > > > that you can see,

> > > > > the house itself, is the protein.

> > > > >

> > > > > Our genetic material (all of our information) is

> > > > > stored as DNA. When

> > > > > we are infected with a DNA based virus like herpes,

> > > > > it can multiply

> > > > > which is what we see as active infection or

> > > > > outbreaks. Or, it can be

> > > > > latent. When it is latent it is sitting inside our

> > > > > DNA in our cells.

> > > > > If you think of our DNA as one long pearl necklace.

> > > > > Then imagine cutting the string that holds the

> > > > > beads. Now insert

> > > > > some colored beads in the middle of your pearl

> > > > > necklace. Now rejoin

> > > > > the necklace. We now have a pearl necklace with a

> > > > > group of red beads

> > > > > in the middle of the pearls. The red beads can just

> > > > > sit there until

> > > > > conditions are such that the red beads can pop back

> > > > > out, leaving the

> > > > > pearls as they were initially. The red beads can now

> > > > > multiply and

> > > > > cause active infection. Some of these red beads, AKA

> > > > > herpes that are

> > > > > now active can create symptoms, some can pop back

> > > > > into the pearl

> > > > > necklace of our DNA.

> > > > >

> > > > > When the virus pops out of the DNA to go from a

> > > > > latent form to an

> > > > > active form it needs to multiply. In order to

> > > > > multiply it needs to

> > > > > make more of its own DNA. There are four building

> > > > > blocks for DNA

> > > > > (again explained in much more easy to understand

> > > > > detail in the RNA

> > > > > book). The way valtrex works is to replace one of

> > > > > these four

> > > > > building blocks for DNA. The building block provided

> > > > > by valtrex is

> > > > > altered so that it interferes with the process for

> > > > > linking the beads

> > > > > together to make more virus.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, valtrex actually interferes with viral

> > > > > replication. It does not

> > > > > suppress the virus.

> > > > >

> > > > > In order for valtrex to work, the virus needs to be

> > > > > actively

> > > > > replicating. If it is not replicating, if it is

> > > > > still stuck in the

> > > > > form of red beads within the pearl necklace, the

> > > > > valtrex cannot act

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >