Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Hello everyone! I'm new to the group, but just after signing up I found some warnings about kombucha on the internet (I have pasted in below). They have made me fearful of consuming it. Obviously you have all been using it without problems. What do you think about these warnings against it's use? Thanks! Greta Australian Adverse Drug Reactions Bulletin Volume 16, Number 2, May 1997 Prepared by the Adverse Drug Reactions Advisory Committee (ADRAC). Kombucha tea Kombucha tea has become increasingly popular in recent years because it has been claimed to have a large number of beneficial effects including the prevention of cancer, relief of arthritis, treatment of insomnia, stimulation of the immune system and even the regrowth of hair. The tea is brewed from the Kombucha mushroom which is actually a symbiotic yeast and bacteria aggregate surrounded by a permeable membrane. The " mushroom " , which grows like a round flat gray fungus about the size of a dinner plate, is fermented in sugared tea to obtain the Kombucha tea. The mushrooms are sold or distributed by naturopaths and other alternative practitioners and are often passed on from person to person. The tea has been described to contain a mixture of many substances including alcohol, glucuronic acid, acetic acid, heparin and lactic acid. In the last year, ADRAC has received two reports of hepatotoxicity in association with Kombucha tea. There have also been reports of both hepatotoxicity and lactic acidosis in the United States.1,2 In one Australian report, a woman presented with rash, fever, rigors, nausea and vomiting after drinking Kombucha tea for a month. Investigations revealed abnormalities in liver function tests, white blood cells, and ESR. She recovered after treatment with steroids. The other report was of a 35 year old female who developed severe hepatitis after prolonged ingestion of the tea. ADRAC is concerned that these reports suggest that Kombucha tea may be toxic and is keen to learn of the extent of the problem. Any patient who develops unexplained hepatotoxicity or other severe illnesses should be assessed not only for a drug history but also ingestion of herbal and other alternative treatments such as Kombucha tea. RESEARCH SUMMARY There is no credible research that supports the use of kombucha for any purpose. Its use has been associated with occasional allergic reactions, jaundice, nausea, vomiting, and head and neck pain. The Iowa Department of Public Health recommended against its use when two cases of severe unexplained illness (one of which ended in death) were reported in two individuals who had been consuming kombucha tea daily for two months. Two cases of symptomatic lead poisoning were reported in individuals who drank kombucha tea brewed in a ceramic pot. It was hypothesized that the tea eluted lead from the glaze pigment of the pot. CONTRAINDICATIONS, PRECAUTIONS, ADVERSE REACTIONS CONTRAINDICATIONS Kombucha is contraindicated in those who are hypersensitive to any component of the preparation. PRECAUTIONS Children, pregnant women, nursing mothers, the elderly and those with compromised immune systems should avoid the use of kombucha. Kombucha may contain antibiotic substances and, theoretically, could cause antibiotic resistance. Those who use kombucha should be extremely careful in its preparation in order to avoid contamination with pathogenic bacteria and or fungi. The tea should not be prepared or stored in ceramic or lead containers, as lead can leach into the tea. ADVERSE REACTIONS Those who drink more than 4 ounces daily of Kombucha tea frequently experience nausea, vomiting and headaches. There have been reports of allergic reactions, jaundice, and head and neck pain. There are reports of two women with unexplained metabolic acidosis following use of kombucha tea. One died. However, it was unclear whether the kombucha tea had any role in causing the metabolic acidosis. Another 115 people who made tea from the same batch of kombucha had no adverse reactions. There are a few reports of elevated serum liver tests and a report of lead poisoning from drinking kombucha tea prepared in a ceramic pot. A case of cutaneous anthrax associated with kombucha has been reported, possibly secondary to contamination of the tea during its preparation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Totally unfounded and pure Hogwash. Kombucha has been used for many centuries and passed down by the same tradition we use today. Does it not strike you funny that there are only TWO reports of possible adverse reactions? Neither of these were however proven to be linked to the KT at all. Both these women had severe liver problems, which is why they tried the tea in the first place. Its totally your decision however, if these bogus warnings are enough to scare you away then so be it. zoe > Hello everyone! I'm new to the group, but just after signing up I > found some warnings about kombucha on the internet (I have pasted in > below). They have made me fearful of consuming it. Obviously you > have all been using it without problems. What do you think about > these warnings against it's use? > Thanks! > Greta > Australian Adverse Drug Reactions Bulletin > Volume 16, Number 2, May 1997 > Prepared by the Adverse Drug Reactions Advisory Committee (ADRAC). > Kombucha tea > Kombucha tea has become increasingly popular in recent years because > it has been claimed to have a large number of beneficial effects > including the prevention of cancer, relief of arthritis, treatment of > insomnia, stimulation of the immune system and even the regrowth of > hair. The tea is brewed from the Kombucha mushroom which is actually > a symbiotic yeast and bacteria aggregate surrounded by a permeable > membrane. The " mushroom " , which grows like a round flat gray fungus > about the size of a dinner plate, is fermented in sugared tea to > obtain the Kombucha tea. The mushrooms are sold or distributed by > naturopaths and other alternative practitioners and are often passed > on from person to person. The tea has been described to contain a > mixture of many substances including alcohol, glucuronic acid, acetic > acid, heparin and lactic acid. > In the last year, ADRAC has received two reports of hepatotoxicity in > association with Kombucha tea. There have also been reports of both > hepatotoxicity and lactic acidosis in the United States.1,2 In one > Australian report, a woman presented with rash, fever, rigors, nausea > and vomiting after drinking Kombucha tea for a month. Investigations > revealed abnormalities in liver function tests, white blood cells, > and ESR. She recovered after treatment with steroids. The other > report was of a 35 year old female who developed severe hepatitis > after prolonged ingestion of the tea. > ADRAC is concerned that these reports suggest that Kombucha tea may > be toxic and is keen to learn of the extent of the problem. Any > patient who develops unexplained hepatotoxicity or other severe > illnesses should be assessed not only for a drug history but also > ingestion of herbal and other alternative treatments such as Kombucha > tea. > RESEARCH SUMMARY > There is no credible research that supports the use of kombucha for > any purpose. Its use has been associated with occasional allergic > reactions, jaundice, nausea, vomiting, and head and neck pain. The > Iowa Department of Public Health recommended against its use when two > cases of severe unexplained illness (one of which ended in death) > were reported in two individuals who had been consuming kombucha tea > daily for two months. Two cases of symptomatic lead poisoning were > reported in individuals who drank kombucha tea brewed in a ceramic > pot. It was hypothesized that the tea eluted lead from the glaze > pigment of the pot. > CONTRAINDICATIONS, PRECAUTIONS, ADVERSE REACTIONS > CONTRAINDICATIONS > Kombucha is contraindicated in those who are hypersensitive to any > component of the preparation. > PRECAUTIONS > Children, pregnant women, nursing mothers, the elderly and those with > compromised immune systems should avoid the use of kombucha. > Kombucha may contain antibiotic substances and, theoretically, could > cause antibiotic resistance. > Those who use kombucha should be extremely careful in its preparation > in order to avoid contamination with pathogenic bacteria and or > fungi. The tea should not be prepared or stored in ceramic or lead > containers, as lead can leach into the tea. > ADVERSE REACTIONS > Those who drink more than 4 ounces daily of Kombucha tea frequently > experience nausea, vomiting and headaches. There have been reports of > allergic reactions, jaundice, and head and neck pain. There are > reports of two women with unexplained metabolic acidosis following > use of kombucha tea. One died. However, it was unclear whether the > kombucha tea had any role in causing the metabolic acidosis. Another > 115 people who made tea from the same batch of kombucha had no > adverse reactions. There are a few reports of elevated serum liver > tests and a report of lead poisoning from drinking kombucha tea > prepared in a ceramic pot. A case of cutaneous anthrax associated > with kombucha has been reported, possibly secondary to contamination > of the tea during its preparation. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Whole Foods of Panama City Food buying club! wholefoodspc@... Organic Beef Jerky? organicjerk.jerkydirect.com Re: Adverse reactions Totally unfounded and pure Hogwash. Kombucha has been used for many centuries and passed down by the same tradition we use today. Does it not strike you funny that there are only TWO reports of possible adverse reactions? Neither of these were however proven to be linked to the KT at all. Both these women had severe liver problems, which is why they tried the tea in the first place. Its totally your decision however, if these bogus warnings are enough to scare you away then so be it. zoe > Hello everyone! I'm new to the group, but just after signing up I > found some warnings about kombucha on the internet (I have pasted in > below). They have made me fearful of consuming it. Obviously you > have all been using it without problems. What do you think about > these warnings against it's use? > Thanks! > Greta > Australian Adverse Drug Reactions Bulletin > Volume 16, Number 2, May 1997 > Prepared by the Adverse Drug Reactions Advisory Committee (ADRAC). > Kombucha tea > Kombucha tea has become increasingly popular in recent years because > it has been claimed to have a large number of beneficial effects > including the prevention of cancer, relief of arthritis, treatment of > insomnia, stimulation of the immune system and even the regrowth of > hair. The tea is brewed from the Kombucha mushroom which is actually > a symbiotic yeast and bacteria aggregate surrounded by a permeable > membrane. The " mushroom " , which grows like a round flat gray fungus > about the size of a dinner plate, is fermented in sugared tea to > obtain the Kombucha tea. The mushrooms are sold or distributed by > naturopaths and other alternative practitioners and are often passed > on from person to person. The tea has been described to contain a > mixture of many substances including alcohol, glucuronic acid, acetic > acid, heparin and lactic acid. > In the last year, ADRAC has received two reports of hepatotoxicity in > association with Kombucha tea. There have also been reports of both > hepatotoxicity and lactic acidosis in the United States.1,2 In one > Australian report, a woman presented with rash, fever, rigors, nausea > and vomiting after drinking Kombucha tea for a month. Investigations > revealed abnormalities in liver function tests, white blood cells, > and ESR. She recovered after treatment with steroids. The other > report was of a 35 year old female who developed severe hepatitis > after prolonged ingestion of the tea. > ADRAC is concerned that these reports suggest that Kombucha tea may > be toxic and is keen to learn of the extent of the problem. Any > patient who develops unexplained hepatotoxicity or other severe > illnesses should be assessed not only for a drug history but also > ingestion of herbal and other alternative treatments such as Kombucha > tea. > RESEARCH SUMMARY > There is no credible research that supports the use of kombucha for > any purpose. Its use has been associated with occasional allergic > reactions, jaundice, nausea, vomiting, and head and neck pain. The > Iowa Department of Public Health recommended against its use when two > cases of severe unexplained illness (one of which ended in death) > were reported in two individuals who had been consuming kombucha tea > daily for two months. Two cases of symptomatic lead poisoning were > reported in individuals who drank kombucha tea brewed in a ceramic > pot. It was hypothesized that the tea eluted lead from the glaze > pigment of the pot. > CONTRAINDICATIONS, PRECAUTIONS, ADVERSE REACTIONS > CONTRAINDICATIONS > Kombucha is contraindicated in those who are hypersensitive to any > component of the preparation. > PRECAUTIONS > Children, pregnant women, nursing mothers, the elderly and those with > compromised immune systems should avoid the use of kombucha. > Kombucha may contain antibiotic substances and, theoretically, could > cause antibiotic resistance. > Those who use kombucha should be extremely careful in its preparation > in order to avoid contamination with pathogenic bacteria and or > fungi. The tea should not be prepared or stored in ceramic or lead > containers, as lead can leach into the tea. > ADVERSE REACTIONS > Those who drink more than 4 ounces daily of Kombucha tea frequently > experience nausea, vomiting and headaches. There have been reports of > allergic reactions, jaundice, and head and neck pain. There are > reports of two women with unexplained metabolic acidosis following > use of kombucha tea. One died. However, it was unclear whether the > kombucha tea had any role in causing the metabolic acidosis. Another > 115 people who made tea from the same batch of kombucha had no > adverse reactions. There are a few reports of elevated serum liver > tests and a report of lead poisoning from drinking kombucha tea > prepared in a ceramic pot. A case of cutaneous anthrax associated > with kombucha has been reported, possibly secondary to contamination > of the tea during its preparation. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 2 per second … 13 per day The article is correct that there has been reports by medical doctors where their patients who were drinking kombucha tea and have had such experiences. These reports are specifically the suspicions of a medical professional during a routine exam. This is exactly what we want our medical professionals to report. As a matter-of-fact there have been similar reports of adverse reactions on this newsgroup by kombucha " devotees " . Yes, we know there are side affects. For the great majority of people those side affects – if they experience any – are minor and most often associated with what is termed a " healing reaction " . For a smaller percentage of the population kombucha tea should not be taken. See my cautions online: http://www.happyherbalist.com/cautions.htm <http://www.happyherbalist.com/cautions.htm> " Kombucha may contain antibiotic substances and, theoretically, could cause antibiotic resistance " . Kombucha is not antibiotic. It is a probiotic. However as such kombucha will weaken any effect the antibiotic has and therefore the statement is responsible. The lactic acidosis incidence in the United States involved a complicated case and kombucha itself (alone) was not identified as the case. Additionally lactic acid in kombucha tea is not present in ALL kombucha tea (actually is uncommon) and has been identified as the D variety and not the susceptible culprit. The inference of the article seems intentionally mis-leading. It has not been reported for instance, that in the follow-up of those suspicions there has been no connection to any serious adverse affects affirmed that were connected to drinking kombucha tea. It is poor journalism to draw conclusions around suspicions and to then treat them as facts. IMO, it is also as irresponsible to proclaim that kombucha tea is a magic bullet, that one should drink as much as they want, make it anyway they want, that kombucha tea absolutely unconditionally is beneficial for everyone no matter the age, no matter what. I am glad the medical profession is watching – because it proves how safe kombucha actually is. In the USA about 76 million cases of food poisoning are annually reported with an examined by a doctor. About I in 3 people in USA (source NIDDK). 76,000,000 per year, 6,333,333 per month, 1,461,538 per week, 208,219 per day, 8,675 per hour, 144 per minute, 2 people per second see a doctor for food poisoning. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of those there are 325,000 hospitalizations, and 5,200 deaths in the United States each year. (Source: Foodborne Infections: DBMD <http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/artic/foodborne_infections_dbmd.htm> ) Death rate extrapolations for Food poisoning in the USA: 5,000 per year, 416 per month, 96 per week, 13 per day, (NIDDK) Putting the truth in perspective then Kombucha Tea is incredibly safe – almost (but not completely) fool proof. As in any food, proper preparation is essential. As in any ferment knowledge is wisdom. In the end – kombucha tea is a noble effort and safe That's my opinion, Ed Kasper LAc Licensed Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist www.HappyHerbalist.com <http://www.happyherbalist.com/> > > > Whole Foods of Panama City Food buying club! > wholefoodspc@... > Organic Beef Jerky? > organicjerk.jerkydirect.com > Re: Adverse reactions > > > Totally unfounded and pure Hogwash. Kombucha has been used for many centuries and passed down by the same tradition we use today. Does it not strike you funny that there are only TWO reports of possible adverse reactions? Neither of these were however proven to be linked to the KT at all. Both these women had severe liver problems, which is why they tried the tea in the first place. > Its totally your decision however, if these bogus warnings are enough to scare you away then so be it. > zoe > > > Hello everyone! I'm new to the group, but just after signing up I > > found some warnings about kombucha on the internet (I have pasted in > > below). They have made me fearful of consuming it. Obviously you > > have all been using it without problems. What do you think about > > these warnings against it's use? > > Thanks! > > Greta > > > Australian Adverse Drug Reactions Bulletin > > Volume 16, Number 2, May 1997 > > Prepared by the Adverse Drug Reactions Advisory Committee (ADRAC). > > > Kombucha tea > > Kombucha tea has become increasingly popular in recent years because > > it has been claimed to have a large number of beneficial effects > > including the prevention of cancer, relief of arthritis, treatment of > > insomnia, stimulation of the immune system and even the regrowth of > > hair. The tea is brewed from the Kombucha mushroom which is actually > > a symbiotic yeast and bacteria aggregate surrounded by a permeable > > membrane. The " mushroom " , which grows like a round flat gray fungus > > about the size of a dinner plate, is fermented in sugared tea to > > obtain the Kombucha tea. The mushrooms are sold or distributed by > > naturopaths and other alternative practitioners and are often passed > > on from person to person. The tea has been described to contain a > > mixture of many substances including alcohol, glucuronic acid, acetic > > acid, heparin and lactic acid. > > > In the last year, ADRAC has received two reports of hepatotoxicity in > > association with Kombucha tea. There have also been reports of both > > hepatotoxicity and lactic acidosis in the United States.1,2 In one > > Australian report, a woman presented with rash, fever, rigors, nausea > > and vomiting after drinking Kombucha tea for a month. Investigations > > revealed abnormalities in liver function tests, white blood cells, > > and ESR. She recovered after treatment with steroids. The other > > report was of a 35 year old female who developed severe hepatitis > > after prolonged ingestion of the tea. > > > ADRAC is concerned that these reports suggest that Kombucha tea may > > be toxic and is keen to learn of the extent of the problem. Any > > patient who develops unexplained hepatotoxicity or other severe > > illnesses should be assessed not only for a drug history but also > > ingestion of herbal and other alternative treatments such as Kombucha > > tea. > > > RESEARCH SUMMARY > > There is no credible research that supports the use of kombucha for > > any purpose. Its use has been associated with occasional allergic > > reactions, jaundice, nausea, vomiting, and head and neck pain. The > > Iowa Department of Public Health recommended against its use when two > > cases of severe unexplained illness (one of which ended in death) > > were reported in two individuals who had been consuming kombucha tea > > daily for two months. Two cases of symptomatic lead poisoning were > > reported in individuals who drank kombucha tea brewed in a ceramic > > pot. It was hypothesized that the tea eluted lead from the glaze > > pigment of the pot. > > > CONTRAINDICATIONS, PRECAUTIONS, ADVERSE REACTIONS > > CONTRAINDICATIONS > > Kombucha is contraindicated in those who are hypersensitive to any > > component of the preparation. > > > PRECAUTIONS > > Children, pregnant women, nursing mothers, the elderly and those with > > compromised immune systems should avoid the use of kombucha. > > > Kombucha may contain antibiotic substances and, theoretically, could > > cause antibiotic resistance. > > > Those who use kombucha should be extremely careful in its preparation > > in order to avoid contamination with pathogenic bacteria and or > > fungi. The tea should not be prepared or stored in ceramic or lead > > containers, as lead can leach into the tea. > > > ADVERSE REACTIONS > > Those who drink more than 4 ounces daily of Kombucha tea frequently > > experience nausea, vomiting and headaches. There have been reports of > > allergic reactions, jaundice, and head and neck pain. There are > > reports of two women with unexplained metabolic acidosis following > > use of kombucha tea. One died. However, it was unclear whether the > > kombucha tea had any role in causing the metabolic acidosis. Another > > 115 people who made tea from the same batch of kombucha had no > > adverse reactions. There are a few reports of elevated serum liver > > tests and a report of lead poisoning from drinking kombucha tea > > prepared in a ceramic pot. A case of cutaneous anthrax associated > > with kombucha has been reported, possibly secondary to contamination > > of the tea during its preparation. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 KT such a home-made wonderful drink is actually a NIGHTMARE of soft drink industry. so it's not a surprise that KT would be attacked by somebody in some way. In fact, KT had been very popular in China in 1970's. but when the country totally commercialised in 1980's, KT started to be criticised of " possibly causing cancer " by some sources and quickly faded out from the society. > > > Whole Foods of Panama City Food buying club! > wholefoodspc@... > Organic Beef Jerky? > organicjerk.jerkydirect.com > Re: Adverse reactions > > > Totally unfounded and pure Hogwash. Kombucha has been used for many centuries and passed down by the same tradition we use today. Does it not strike you funny that there are only TWO reports of possible adverse reactions? Neither of these were however proven to be linked to the KT at all. Both these women had severe liver problems, which is why they tried the tea in the first place. > Its totally your decision however, if these bogus warnings are enough to scare you away then so be it. > zoe > > > Hello everyone! I'm new to the group, but just after signing up I > > found some warnings about kombucha on the internet (I have pasted in > > below). They have made me fearful of consuming it. Obviously you > > have all been using it without problems. What do you think about > > these warnings against it's use? > > Thanks! > > Greta > > > Australian Adverse Drug Reactions Bulletin > > Volume 16, Number 2, May 1997 > > Prepared by the Adverse Drug Reactions Advisory Committee (ADRAC). > > > Kombucha tea > > Kombucha tea has become increasingly popular in recent years because > > it has been claimed to have a large number of beneficial effects > > including the prevention of cancer, relief of arthritis, treatment of > > insomnia, stimulation of the immune system and even the regrowth of > > hair. The tea is brewed from the Kombucha mushroom which is actually > > a symbiotic yeast and bacteria aggregate surrounded by a permeable > > membrane. The " mushroom " , which grows like a round flat gray fungus > > about the size of a dinner plate, is fermented in sugared tea to > > obtain the Kombucha tea. The mushrooms are sold or distributed by > > naturopaths and other alternative practitioners and are often passed > > on from person to person. The tea has been described to contain a > > mixture of many substances including alcohol, glucuronic acid, acetic > > acid, heparin and lactic acid. > > > In the last year, ADRAC has received two reports of hepatotoxicity in > > association with Kombucha tea. There have also been reports of both > > hepatotoxicity and lactic acidosis in the United States.1,2 In one > > Australian report, a woman presented with rash, fever, rigors, nausea > > and vomiting after drinking Kombucha tea for a month. Investigations > > revealed abnormalities in liver function tests, white blood cells, > > and ESR. She recovered after treatment with steroids. The other > > report was of a 35 year old female who developed severe hepatitis > > after prolonged ingestion of the tea. > > > ADRAC is concerned that these reports suggest that Kombucha tea may > > be toxic and is keen to learn of the extent of the problem. Any > > patient who develops unexplained hepatotoxicity or other severe > > illnesses should be assessed not only for a drug history but also > > ingestion of herbal and other alternative treatments such as Kombucha > > tea. > > > RESEARCH SUMMARY > > There is no credible research that supports the use of kombucha for > > any purpose. Its use has been associated with occasional allergic > > reactions, jaundice, nausea, vomiting, and head and neck pain. The > > Iowa Department of Public Health recommended against its use when two > > cases of severe unexplained illness (one of which ended in death) > > were reported in two individuals who had been consuming kombucha tea > > daily for two months. Two cases of symptomatic lead poisoning were > > reported in individuals who drank kombucha tea brewed in a ceramic > > pot. It was hypothesized that the tea eluted lead from the glaze > > pigment of the pot. > > > CONTRAINDICATIONS, PRECAUTIONS, ADVERSE REACTIONS > > CONTRAINDICATIONS > > Kombucha is contraindicated in those who are hypersensitive to any > > component of the preparation. > > > PRECAUTIONS > > Children, pregnant women, nursing mothers, the elderly and those with > > compromised immune systems should avoid the use of kombucha. > > > Kombucha may contain antibiotic substances and, theoretically, could > > cause antibiotic resistance. > > > Those who use kombucha should be extremely careful in its preparation > > in order to avoid contamination with pathogenic bacteria and or > > fungi. The tea should not be prepared or stored in ceramic or lead > > containers, as lead can leach into the tea. > > > ADVERSE REACTIONS > > Those who drink more than 4 ounces daily of Kombucha tea frequently > > experience nausea, vomiting and headaches. There have been reports of > > allergic reactions, jaundice, and head and neck pain. There are > > reports of two women with unexplained metabolic acidosis following > > use of kombucha tea. One died. However, it was unclear whether the > > kombucha tea had any role in causing the metabolic acidosis. Another > > 115 people who made tea from the same batch of kombucha had no > > adverse reactions. There are a few reports of elevated serum liver > > tests and a report of lead poisoning from drinking kombucha tea > > prepared in a ceramic pot. A case of cutaneous anthrax associated > > with kombucha has been reported, possibly secondary to contamination > > of the tea during its preparation. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 >If there are two reports of toxicity of any type reported over nearly any >period of time with about 2800 people on this website alone consuming >kombucha on a daily basis, I would consider the health risks minimal. I also tried to but into this one, but the system kicked me into touch for some reason. I reckon we are now nearer 2.9k than 2.8. However think of what that makes the total *<world>* consumption. AND taking our 2.9, most of them are probably brewing for at least themselves + " Significant other " (I hate that) + the regulation 2. 4 sprogs (we'll call it another 2) = 4 consumers per brewer = 2.9X4=11.6k Now we take the census. Of all the members, past and present, hands up all those who have died of Kombucha AND had it proved. The defence rests, yer onner. Nn. England. Re: Adverse reactions I believe the problems may be more closely related to preparation errors or other factors existing that are not mentioned in the determination. JMHO, Namaste! donnalynn Teasmith and purveyor of over 400 loose leaf teas including over 300 organic teas www.sensibiliteasonline.com Send snail mail address to teasmith@... to receive a full listing of the teas available while the website is under construction. 10% discount to OK members when the code KOMBUCHA is in the comments field of the order form. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 In message <936220.72373.qm@...> you wrote: > Of all the members, past and present, hands up all those who have died of > Kombucha AND had it proved. > The defence rests, yer onner. Yea, I'm always dying for another glass, so I must have died countless times, but always come back to down some more Kombucha. It's the stuff that makes you bounce back ;-) To and all a very good rest (night is upon us in merry old England!) -- +------------------ Minstrel@... --------------------+ <)))<>< http://www.therpc.f9.co.uk <)))<>< http://www.AnswersInGenesis.com +----------------- http://www.Gotquestions.org ------------------+ Wise men still seek Him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 I'm with Margaret...I am always dying for another glass and coming back for more!! LOL!! -- April The Lotus rises from the mud and dirt Sweet Lotus Creations www.sweetlotuscreations.com On 9/20/07, Margret Pegg <Minstrel@...> wrote: > > In message <936220.72373.qm@...<936220.72373.qm%40web27712.mail.ukl\ ..>> > you wrote: > > Of all the members, past and present, hands up all those who have died > of > > Kombucha AND had it proved. > > The defence rests, yer onner. > > Yea, I'm always dying for another glass, so I must have died countless > times, but always come back to down some more Kombucha. > It's the stuff that makes you bounce back ;-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Of all the members, past and present, hands up all those who have died of > Kombucha AND had it proved. > The defence rests, yer onner. Yea, I'm always dying for another glass, so I must have died countless times, but always come back to down some more Kombucha. It's the stuff that makes you bounce back ;-) I like many of the rest of you get so perturbed (to put it mildly) about the blatant ignorance in journalistic endeavors that seek to put down Kombucha in particular and all other NON conventional eating and drinking lifestyles!! .....especially when there are thousands of testimonies all around us of the good -KT does...........why don't these nay-sayers get after the horrific findings in this report.... JOURNAL OF AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION VOL 284, No 4, July 26th,2000 written by Dr.Barbara Starfield,MD,MPH, of the Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health.........and I quote...... 2,000 deaths per year from UNNECESSARY SURGERY 7,000 DEATHS PER YEAR FROM MEDICATION ERRORS IN HOSPITALS 20,000 DEATHS PER YEAR FROM OTHER ERRORS IN HOSPITALS 80,000 DEATHS FROM INFECTIONS IN HOSPITALS 106,000 DEATHS FROM ADVERSE EFFECTS OF MEDICATIONS Remember -Hospitals those squeaky clean places we go when we are sick and need medical attention???!!!???!!! I really and truly do not like to dwell on this kind of " Bad News " but when folks keep throwing out bad vibes on Kombucha that scares our newbies off then I can't take it any more and feel like we need to speak up..............so we have.........and we are........... Keep on brewing that marvelous Kombucha that we love so much and keep spreading the good news of it's great benefits.................. Kombucha forever, Lonnie and --------------------------------- oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 LOL . People can really make anything look bad it they want. I think when I heard someone say the following, it was to prove something along those lines: Everybody who eats carrots die. LOL jan Kane <brainnake@...> wrote: >If there are two reports of toxicity of any type reported over nearly any >period of time with about 2800 people on this website alone consuming >kombucha on a daily basis, I would consider the health risks minimal. I also tried to but into this one, but the system kicked me into touch for some reason. I reckon we are now nearer 2.9k than 2.8. However think of what that makes the total *<world>* consumption. AND taking our 2.9, most of them are probably brewing for at least themselves + " Significant other " (I hate that) + the regulation 2. 4 sprogs (we'll call it another 2) = 4 consumers per brewer = 2.9X4=11.6k Now we take the census. Of all the members, past and present, hands up all those who have died of Kombucha AND had it proved. The defence rests, yer onner. Nn. England. Re: Adverse reactions I believe the problems may be more closely related to preparation errors or other factors existing that are not mentioned in the determination. JMHO, Namaste! donnalynn Teasmith and purveyor of over 400 loose leaf teas including over 300 organic teas www.sensibiliteasonline.com Send snail mail address to teasmith@... to receive a full listing of the teas available while the website is under construction. 10% discount to OK members when the code KOMBUCHA is in the comments field of the order form. __________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 LOL . People can really make anything look bad it they want. I think when I heard someone say the following, it was to prove something along those lines: Everybody who eats carrots die. LOL jan Kane <brainnake@...> wrote: >If there are two reports of toxicity of any type reported over nearly any >period of time with about 2800 people on this website alone consuming >kombucha on a daily basis, I would consider the health risks minimal. I also tried to but into this one, but the system kicked me into touch for some reason. I reckon we are now nearer 2.9k than 2.8. However think of what that makes the total *<world>* consumption. AND taking our 2.9, most of them are probably brewing for at least themselves + " Significant other " (I hate that) + the regulation 2. 4 sprogs (we'll call it another 2) = 4 consumers per brewer = 2.9X4=11.6k Now we take the census. Of all the members, past and present, hands up all those who have died of Kombucha AND had it proved. The defence rests, yer onner. Nn. England. Re: Adverse reactions I believe the problems may be more closely related to preparation errors or other factors existing that are not mentioned in the determination. JMHO, Namaste! donnalynn Teasmith and purveyor of over 400 loose leaf teas including over 300 organic teas www.sensibiliteasonline.com Send snail mail address to teasmith@... to receive a full listing of the teas available while the website is under construction. 10% discount to OK members when the code KOMBUCHA is in the comments field of the order form. __________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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