Re: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop

[Guest guest]

Anita, that sort of makes sense, would you say for those of us who are

unable to get hold of Valtrex to hold off the other, less potent,

antivirals until the immune system is boosted up as much as possible to

be able to help out? I am thinking here LDN and possibly other immune

boosters (and anti-inflammatories?).

Have you or anyone or anyone on this list had experience with naturals

like eg echinacia(spelling?) in addition or prior to antiviral therapy?

Have you had a protocol for immune boost prior to Virastop and

Lauricidin?

My other concern would be antifungals - again, we are unable to get

Diflucan, as recommended by everyone on this list, and no hope in hell

of getting ds to take GSE or anything bitter tasting. Unfortunately the

same goes for OLE.

To simplify the above, my questions to you Stan and Anita and others:

1. would there be any point in trying an antifungal therapy with 'only'

VS and/or Lauricidin? (are there any other not-so-awful-tasting

antivirals that don't require rx?)

2. would in your view there be any point in doing antivirals without an

antifungal in place?

TIA

Natasa

p.s. Stan, I know you said not to post but just to say I have you and

your dad in my thoughts.

>

> Kim,

>

> Boy, your son's having a rough time of it. But, the good news is

> that the antivirals seem to be very important to him.

>

> My opinion would be to add in the OLE before you escalate the VS.

> SLOWLY. And then continue to boost first VS then OLE in the step

> pattern, based on how your son is doing. I am getting the

> impression from my experience here with my son that although VS on

> its own might be enough for people with fairly strong balanced

> immune systems, other antivirals will be necessary for those who

> don't have that. Same goes for Lauricidin. I see those two as

> preparing the viruses for the immune system to go in for the kill;

> however, ASD kids might need the help of something like OLE to

> complete that kill efficiently.

>

> Does that make sense?

>

> Hang in there. :-)

>

> Anita

>

>

>

> >

> > And others: What can I read into the fact that our son

> immediately

> > became worse with just one virastop a day? IS this a good

> > sign...meaning the healing regression?

> >

> > Should I be adding in the OLE right from the start, or continue

> with

> > virastop? A big part of me wants to add in the OLE this weekend.

> >

> > Any thoughts? Any words of encouragement?

> >

> > Our son is 6 years old, and the viral treatment is our last

> shot/hope

> > for recovery. He is SO VERY far behind his peers, socially, and

> in

> > all areas. I was really hoping that this was our answer.

> >

> > Please? Thanks......Kim

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Anita, that sort of makes sense, would you say for those of us who are

unable to get hold of Valtrex to hold off the other, less potent,

antivirals until the immune system is boosted up as much as possible to

be able to help out? I am thinking here LDN and possibly other immune

boosters (and anti-inflammatories?).

Have you or anyone or anyone on this list had experience with naturals

like eg echinacia(spelling?) in addition or prior to antiviral therapy?

Have you had a protocol for immune boost prior to Virastop and

Lauricidin?

My other concern would be antifungals - again, we are unable to get

Diflucan, as recommended by everyone on this list, and no hope in hell

of getting ds to take GSE or anything bitter tasting. Unfortunately the

same goes for OLE.

To simplify the above, my questions to you Stan and Anita and others:

1. would there be any point in trying an antifungal therapy with 'only'

VS and/or Lauricidin? (are there any other not-so-awful-tasting

antivirals that don't require rx?)

2. would in your view there be any point in doing antivirals without an

antifungal in place?

TIA

Natasa

p.s. Stan, I know you said not to post but just to say I have you and

your dad in my thoughts.

>

> Kim,

>

> Boy, your son's having a rough time of it. But, the good news is

> that the antivirals seem to be very important to him.

>

> My opinion would be to add in the OLE before you escalate the VS.

> SLOWLY. And then continue to boost first VS then OLE in the step

> pattern, based on how your son is doing. I am getting the

> impression from my experience here with my son that although VS on

> its own might be enough for people with fairly strong balanced

> immune systems, other antivirals will be necessary for those who

> don't have that. Same goes for Lauricidin. I see those two as

> preparing the viruses for the immune system to go in for the kill;

> however, ASD kids might need the help of something like OLE to

> complete that kill efficiently.

>

> Does that make sense?

>

> Hang in there. :-)

>

> Anita

>

>

>

> >

> > And others: What can I read into the fact that our son

> immediately

> > became worse with just one virastop a day? IS this a good

> > sign...meaning the healing regression?

> >

> > Should I be adding in the OLE right from the start, or continue

> with

> > virastop? A big part of me wants to add in the OLE this weekend.

> >

> > Any thoughts? Any words of encouragement?

> >

> > Our son is 6 years old, and the viral treatment is our last

> shot/hope

> > for recovery. He is SO VERY far behind his peers, socially, and

> in

> > all areas. I was really hoping that this was our answer.

> >

> > Please? Thanks......Kim

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Natasa,

I'm not sure that Valtrex is more powerful than some of the OTC

natural antivirals. A very smart woman once explained to me how the

naturals haven't been altered so that their focus is very narrow.

Because of this, they may even be more powerful than then Rx

antivirals given that none of us truly knows what viruses we're

fighting in our kids.

I should have said in my post that I include Valtrex as one of those

things that may very well not be enough for our immune compromised

kids. No one knows how the Valtrex is working exactly in the kids

who seem to do very well on it. Therefore, no one understands why

there are some kids on Valtrex for years with only minimal

improvements, or with great improvements that are lost as soon as

the stop taking it. Which leads me to this point again:

As Anne mentioned in a previous post, another very smart person has

recommended that if you are going to treat viruses, be prepared to

throw everything you can at them, all at once preferably. That is

what I'm trying to do. Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx

it is very expensive. I still may do that if my son's protocol

doesn't seem to complete the job. Valtrex works by a different

mechanicism than the naturals seem to. Some kids may need that

different mechanism. Some kids might not. I'm of the opinion that

most kids, because they are immune compromised, will need some sort

of combination of antivirals and immune boosters. Like most

parents, I'm not sure where my son would fit but for now I am using

OTC antivirals and immune boosters exclusively.

I think it is very much worthwhile to use an OTC antiviral

protocol. If I could start this all over again, knowing what I know

now, I think I would try to have my son on LDN for a few months.

During that time I would introduce immune boosters, as many as I

could. Right now I'm using colostrum, echinacea and astragalus on a

rotating schedule, and the usual suspects that most of our ASD kids

get: zinc, C, omega 3's, etc. THEN, I would introduce the VS, OLE,

and Lauricidin that I'm using now. I also use Sambucol, but cannot

say that I notice it working, although I know many people who use it

for the flu virus and find that it works very, very well.

This is what I ACTUALLY did: started VS, Lauricidin, and OLE. Son

had a huge terrible reaction. Scared the crap out of myself. Quit

the protocol. Probably went too fast and certainly wasn't prepared

for the enormity of my son's reaction. Realized my stupid mistakes

but couldn't change things then. So, I started the immune boosters

listed above. Restarted the antivirals. Seeing progress now :-)

mostly in things like happiness, receptive language, less OCD,

better transitioning, learned to go into water again, permanent

stuffy nose gone, and other things. This time around we've seen

small fevers, rashes, very red eye that comes and goes, runny nose

that comes and goes, and YEAST. YEAST. and more YEAST.

I find that the VS and Lauricidin are easy to dose. My son just

turned 3 and cannot swallow capsules. Sambucol, echinacea (get one

for kids), colostrum (from Kirkman's although I don't like their

sweeteners but am willing to use it for now), astragalus, and IP6

are all very easy to dose as well. OLE not so much, but he's

growing to accept it although I don't give very much. Have some

liquid on order thinking that might be easier (as the Shoemakers

used). It is possible to hide the powdered OLE quite well in

nutbutter and chocolate balls though.

I am trying to find someone who might have used shegoi. It is an

antiviral that is supposed to be good for chicken pox virus. My son

had his MMR immediately after a terrible bout of chicken pox. Given

Dan Olmsted's recent work, I am more interested than ever in trying

the shegoi, but would really like to find another few parents who

may have already tried it.

For yeast I use Candex and lots of probiotics. Every once in a

while a few drops of GSE. My son had a big yeast party last night,

from 1:00 until 5:30. This coincided exactly with me increasing

his dose of OLE from 100 mg to 200 mg/day. I actually don't mind

seeing the yeast as I know it means that the protocol is working.

de Felice posted some interesting thoughts on this at enzymes

and autism (sorry, I can't remember if you're a member there). I

should say that we are also chelating during this time. My son's

yeast during chelation is very easy to control with Candex and

probiotics and a slightly modified diet (lots of fruit still, but no

sugar).

I hope some of this helps. A bit sleep-deprived today so I can't be

entirely sure if I've made sense (at least that is my excuse ;-))

Warmly,

Anita

> >

> > Kim,

> >

> > Boy, your son's having a rough time of it. But, the good news is

> > that the antivirals seem to be very important to him.

> >

> > My opinion would be to add in the OLE before you escalate the VS.

> > SLOWLY. And then continue to boost first VS then OLE in the step

> > pattern, based on how your son is doing. I am getting the

> > impression from my experience here with my son that although VS

on

> > its own might be enough for people with fairly strong balanced

> > immune systems, other antivirals will be necessary for those who

> > don't have that. Same goes for Lauricidin. I see those two as

> > preparing the viruses for the immune system to go in for the

kill;

> > however, ASD kids might need the help of something like OLE to

> > complete that kill efficiently.

> >

> > Does that make sense?

> >

> > Hang in there. :-)

> >

> > Anita

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > And others: What can I read into the fact that our son

> > immediately

> > > became worse with just one virastop a day? IS this a good

> > > sign...meaning the healing regression?

> > >

> > > Should I be adding in the OLE right from the start, or continue

> > with

> > > virastop? A big part of me wants to add in the OLE this

weekend.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts? Any words of encouragement?

> > >

> > > Our son is 6 years old, and the viral treatment is our last

> > shot/hope

> > > for recovery. He is SO VERY far behind his peers, socially,

and

> > in

> > > all areas. I was really hoping that this was our answer.

> > >

> > > Please? Thanks......Kim

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Natasa,

I'm not sure that Valtrex is more powerful than some of the OTC

natural antivirals. A very smart woman once explained to me how the

naturals haven't been altered so that their focus is very narrow.

Because of this, they may even be more powerful than then Rx

antivirals given that none of us truly knows what viruses we're

fighting in our kids.

I should have said in my post that I include Valtrex as one of those

things that may very well not be enough for our immune compromised

kids. No one knows how the Valtrex is working exactly in the kids

who seem to do very well on it. Therefore, no one understands why

there are some kids on Valtrex for years with only minimal

improvements, or with great improvements that are lost as soon as

the stop taking it. Which leads me to this point again:

As Anne mentioned in a previous post, another very smart person has

recommended that if you are going to treat viruses, be prepared to

throw everything you can at them, all at once preferably. That is

what I'm trying to do. Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx

it is very expensive. I still may do that if my son's protocol

doesn't seem to complete the job. Valtrex works by a different

mechanicism than the naturals seem to. Some kids may need that

different mechanism. Some kids might not. I'm of the opinion that

most kids, because they are immune compromised, will need some sort

of combination of antivirals and immune boosters. Like most

parents, I'm not sure where my son would fit but for now I am using

OTC antivirals and immune boosters exclusively.

I think it is very much worthwhile to use an OTC antiviral

protocol. If I could start this all over again, knowing what I know

now, I think I would try to have my son on LDN for a few months.

During that time I would introduce immune boosters, as many as I

could. Right now I'm using colostrum, echinacea and astragalus on a

rotating schedule, and the usual suspects that most of our ASD kids

get: zinc, C, omega 3's, etc. THEN, I would introduce the VS, OLE,

and Lauricidin that I'm using now. I also use Sambucol, but cannot

say that I notice it working, although I know many people who use it

for the flu virus and find that it works very, very well.

This is what I ACTUALLY did: started VS, Lauricidin, and OLE. Son

had a huge terrible reaction. Scared the crap out of myself. Quit

the protocol. Probably went too fast and certainly wasn't prepared

for the enormity of my son's reaction. Realized my stupid mistakes

but couldn't change things then. So, I started the immune boosters

listed above. Restarted the antivirals. Seeing progress now :-)

mostly in things like happiness, receptive language, less OCD,

better transitioning, learned to go into water again, permanent

stuffy nose gone, and other things. This time around we've seen

small fevers, rashes, very red eye that comes and goes, runny nose

that comes and goes, and YEAST. YEAST. and more YEAST.

I find that the VS and Lauricidin are easy to dose. My son just

turned 3 and cannot swallow capsules. Sambucol, echinacea (get one

for kids), colostrum (from Kirkman's although I don't like their

sweeteners but am willing to use it for now), astragalus, and IP6

are all very easy to dose as well. OLE not so much, but he's

growing to accept it although I don't give very much. Have some

liquid on order thinking that might be easier (as the Shoemakers

used). It is possible to hide the powdered OLE quite well in

nutbutter and chocolate balls though.

I am trying to find someone who might have used shegoi. It is an

antiviral that is supposed to be good for chicken pox virus. My son

had his MMR immediately after a terrible bout of chicken pox. Given

Dan Olmsted's recent work, I am more interested than ever in trying

the shegoi, but would really like to find another few parents who

may have already tried it.

For yeast I use Candex and lots of probiotics. Every once in a

while a few drops of GSE. My son had a big yeast party last night,

from 1:00 until 5:30. This coincided exactly with me increasing

his dose of OLE from 100 mg to 200 mg/day. I actually don't mind

seeing the yeast as I know it means that the protocol is working.

de Felice posted some interesting thoughts on this at enzymes

and autism (sorry, I can't remember if you're a member there). I

should say that we are also chelating during this time. My son's

yeast during chelation is very easy to control with Candex and

probiotics and a slightly modified diet (lots of fruit still, but no

sugar).

I hope some of this helps. A bit sleep-deprived today so I can't be

entirely sure if I've made sense (at least that is my excuse ;-))

Warmly,

Anita

> >

> > Kim,

> >

> > Boy, your son's having a rough time of it. But, the good news is

> > that the antivirals seem to be very important to him.

> >

> > My opinion would be to add in the OLE before you escalate the VS.

> > SLOWLY. And then continue to boost first VS then OLE in the step

> > pattern, based on how your son is doing. I am getting the

> > impression from my experience here with my son that although VS

on

> > its own might be enough for people with fairly strong balanced

> > immune systems, other antivirals will be necessary for those who

> > don't have that. Same goes for Lauricidin. I see those two as

> > preparing the viruses for the immune system to go in for the

kill;

> > however, ASD kids might need the help of something like OLE to

> > complete that kill efficiently.

> >

> > Does that make sense?

> >

> > Hang in there. :-)

> >

> > Anita

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > And others: What can I read into the fact that our son

> > immediately

> > > became worse with just one virastop a day? IS this a good

> > > sign...meaning the healing regression?

> > >

> > > Should I be adding in the OLE right from the start, or continue

> > with

> > > virastop? A big part of me wants to add in the OLE this

weekend.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts? Any words of encouragement?

> > >

> > > Our son is 6 years old, and the viral treatment is our last

> > shot/hope

> > > for recovery. He is SO VERY far behind his peers, socially,

and

> > in

> > > all areas. I was really hoping that this was our answer.

> > >

> > > Please? Thanks......Kim

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Anita;

Great information on your experiences with antivirals.

Where can you get valtrex without a prescription?

Thanks,

Kim :-)

Re: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop

....Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx it is very expensive...

[Guest guest]

Anita;

Great information on your experiences with antivirals.

Where can you get valtrex without a prescription?

Thanks,

Kim :-)

Re: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop

....Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx it is very expensive...

[Guest guest]

>

> Anita;

>

> Great information on your experiences with antivirals.

> Where can you get valtrex without a prescription?

>

> Thanks,

> Kim :-)

> Re: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop

>

>

> ...Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx

> it is very expensive...

it is best to use valtrex with a physician. It can cause abnormal

liver function and should be monitored regularly. The Valtrex you may

buy online may not be as pure. One does not know the quality of

online drugs. They are not necessarly phamaceutical grade

gprmd

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Anita;

>

> Great information on your experiences with antivirals.

> Where can you get valtrex without a prescription?

>

> Thanks,

> Kim :-)

> Re: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop

>

>

> ...Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx

> it is very expensive...

it is best to use valtrex with a physician. It can cause abnormal

liver function and should be monitored regularly. The Valtrex you may

buy online may not be as pure. One does not know the quality of

online drugs. They are not necessarly phamaceutical grade

gprmd

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks gprmd. Good point. I'm aware valtrex should be monitored by a physician - my doc said it could stress the kidneys more than the liver.

Kim.

Re: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop> > > ...Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx > it is very expensive...it is best to use valtrex with a physician. It can cause abnormal liver function and should be monitored regularly. The Valtrex you may buy online may not be as pure. One does not know the quality of online drugs. They are not necessarly phamaceutical gradegprmd>

[Guest guest]

Thanks gprmd. Good point. I'm aware valtrex should be monitored by a physician - my doc said it could stress the kidneys more than the liver.

Kim.

Re: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop> > > ...Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx > it is very expensive...it is best to use valtrex with a physician. It can cause abnormal liver function and should be monitored regularly. The Valtrex you may buy online may not be as pure. One does not know the quality of online drugs. They are not necessarly phamaceutical gradegprmd>

[Guest guest]

your welcomeKim Authier Quinn <kimandglen.quinn@...> wrote: Thanks gprmd. Good point. I'm aware valtrex should be monitored by a physician - my doc said it could stress the kidneys more than the liver. Kim.

Re: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop> > > ...Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx > it is very expensive...it is best to use valtrex with a physician. It can cause abnormal liver function and should be monitored regularly. The Valtrex you may buy online may not be as pure. One does not know the quality of online drugs. They are not necessarly phamaceutical gradegprmd>

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[Guest guest]

your welcomeKim Authier Quinn <kimandglen.quinn@...> wrote: Thanks gprmd. Good point. I'm aware valtrex should be monitored by a physician - my doc said it could stress the kidneys more than the liver. Kim.

Re: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop> > > ...Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx > it is very expensive...it is best to use valtrex with a physician. It can cause abnormal liver function and should be monitored regularly. The Valtrex you may buy online may not be as pure. One does not know the quality of online drugs. They are not necessarly phamaceutical gradegprmd>

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[Guest guest]

Kim,

If you google " valtrex without prescription " you'll get the place

where it is available. Make sure you're sitting down when you look

at the prices. Like another poster has cautioned quite rightly, I

wouldn't do this without my doctor's help. In my mind, it would be

like chelating. He won't prescribe the chelator, but he will write

the req for all the tests I ask him to run. Same thing if I ever

decide to use Valtrex (and sell all my worldly goods to pay for it).

Anita

>

> Anita;

>

> Great information on your experiences with antivirals.

> Where can you get valtrex without a prescription?

>

> Thanks,

> Kim :-)

> Re: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop

>

>

> ...Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx

> it is very expensive...

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

If you google " valtrex without prescription " you'll get the place

where it is available. Make sure you're sitting down when you look

at the prices. Like another poster has cautioned quite rightly, I

wouldn't do this without my doctor's help. In my mind, it would be

like chelating. He won't prescribe the chelator, but he will write

the req for all the tests I ask him to run. Same thing if I ever

decide to use Valtrex (and sell all my worldly goods to pay for it).

Anita

>

> Anita;

>

> Great information on your experiences with antivirals.

> Where can you get valtrex without a prescription?

>

> Thanks,

> Kim :-)

> Re: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop

>

>

> ...Although you can get Valtrex without an Rx

> it is very expensive...

>