Re: signs of viral kids?/diet

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My knowlege base is adding zinc is good, copper isn't. They get enough copper

from

pipes if you ask me. I don't know Kinghardt and I don't know how adding copper

could

help when these kids already have too much copper.

It's hard to look at your diet. It hurts me to read it. It might help to get

an OATs test and

see what fungus and bacteria levels you have there... that might help to keep

you

motivated to stick with it.

It looks like you're having a tough time with what I'm saying about diet and

you're not the

first and won't be the last. What to eat is SCD minus IGG Food allergies IMO.

That's the

best place to start. BTVC has pages and pages of recepes. My starter diet has

a bunch of

foods and my son was on that for about a year... but I know my diet philosphies

aren't for

everyone.

My Starter Diet

Any Meats

Any Green Veggies

Pear, peeled apple, small amounts of melon

Reverse Osmosis Drinking Water Only (no spring water or tap)

Organic food preferred

If your child has to have juice, then juice yourself some pear and apple and add

some

spinach... water it down a bit if you need to, then put it in a sippie cut for

the kids that

don't like the color.

And feed, feed, feed your kids every chance you can.

If you see head banging it could be from fungal die off, that was even mentioned

today I

think. I would use activated charcoal in the morning and if you really really

really are

having a hard time and you have a really friendly doctor I've heard people with

head

banging using low dose prednesone during die off for the first two weeks...

maybe 5mg

per day and then get off of it right after.

- Stan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or how

you

> > > > know it works for

> > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do

them and

> > > > switched to TD MB12,

> > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this

website.

> > > > maurine

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My knowlege base is adding zinc is good, copper isn't. They get enough copper

from

pipes if you ask me. I don't know Kinghardt and I don't know how adding copper

could

help when these kids already have too much copper.

It's hard to look at your diet. It hurts me to read it. It might help to get

an OATs test and

see what fungus and bacteria levels you have there... that might help to keep

you

motivated to stick with it.

It looks like you're having a tough time with what I'm saying about diet and

you're not the

first and won't be the last. What to eat is SCD minus IGG Food allergies IMO.

That's the

best place to start. BTVC has pages and pages of recepes. My starter diet has

a bunch of

foods and my son was on that for about a year... but I know my diet philosphies

aren't for

everyone.

My Starter Diet

Any Meats

Any Green Veggies

Pear, peeled apple, small amounts of melon

Reverse Osmosis Drinking Water Only (no spring water or tap)

Organic food preferred

If your child has to have juice, then juice yourself some pear and apple and add

some

spinach... water it down a bit if you need to, then put it in a sippie cut for

the kids that

don't like the color.

And feed, feed, feed your kids every chance you can.

If you see head banging it could be from fungal die off, that was even mentioned

today I

think. I would use activated charcoal in the morning and if you really really

really are

having a hard time and you have a really friendly doctor I've heard people with

head

banging using low dose prednesone during die off for the first two weeks...

maybe 5mg

per day and then get off of it right after.

- Stan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or how

you

> > > > know it works for

> > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do

them and

> > > > switched to TD MB12,

> > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this

website.

> > > > maurine

> > > > > >

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Hey Stan Thanks-he does get sinc and all that, but a major problem is he's not my child, but my grandson and he'd have to move in withme----to do the diet which i don't mind ifmy daughter would approve since she's not into any of this.....and i know what you are saying and couldn't agree more. Haven't done as much as we shold hve in the last few years due to the cost. i do what I can..... thanks I appreciate your responses-MaurineStan Kurtz <kurtzstan@...> wrote: The more you feed with the bad foods, the worse your child will become IMO. If your child is starving you need to get the bad critters out. Juicing is the best way to sneak vegetables in. You can also freeze the juice in a pop if you had to. There are many ways to make the diets work. You shouldn't

give up on your child's body just because you are afraid to limit them for a day or two. Kill off some of that fungus, give some zinc, stop feeding with starches, grains, and complex carbohydrates, and remove the IGG Food Allergies and your kids will quite often gain weight and get better. Rather than give up and/or throw a pitty party... if you want to change your child you need to change their food and gut health. There is no way around it IMO.- Stan> > > > >> > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or how you > > > know it works for > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do them and > > > switched to TD MB12, > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this website. >

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Hey Stan Thanks-he does get sinc and all that, but a major problem is he's not my child, but my grandson and he'd have to move in withme----to do the diet which i don't mind ifmy daughter would approve since she's not into any of this.....and i know what you are saying and couldn't agree more. Haven't done as much as we shold hve in the last few years due to the cost. i do what I can..... thanks I appreciate your responses-MaurineStan Kurtz <kurtzstan@...> wrote: The more you feed with the bad foods, the worse your child will become IMO. If your child is starving you need to get the bad critters out. Juicing is the best way to sneak vegetables in. You can also freeze the juice in a pop if you had to. There are many ways to make the diets work. You shouldn't

give up on your child's body just because you are afraid to limit them for a day or two. Kill off some of that fungus, give some zinc, stop feeding with starches, grains, and complex carbohydrates, and remove the IGG Food Allergies and your kids will quite often gain weight and get better. Rather than give up and/or throw a pitty party... if you want to change your child you need to change their food and gut health. There is no way around it IMO.- Stan> > > > >> > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or how you > > > know it works for > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do them and > > > switched to TD MB12, > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this website. >

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Oops, I guess I forgot to say that I'm using goat milk to make the kefir. I thought that goat milk was okay because so many people on the SCD group (pecanbread) use goat milk to make the yogurt that is in Elaine's book.... as I understood, the casein in the goat milk is much smaller than that of cow milk. Anyway, I'm more confused now then ever....

Re: signs of viral kids?/diet

Hi Sheryl,There is certainly evidence that pateurizing and homogenizing makes milk worse for you. I equte it to frying food. But, why are we still talking about drinking cows milk anyway?I ask people all the time, "What are you trying to accomplish?" The answers are usually about Calcium and Vitamin D, and they can be found in much safer ways through other foods and dietary supplementation.Under a microscope, casien is a very complex, and often undigestible molecule.. there's no way around it --and undigsted food is fuel for bacterial and fungus in the intestines. Milk also very very commonly leaks out of the intestines if they are impaired (like with our kids). Just about every IGG Food Allergy Panel I have ever seen shows milk leaking. There is multiple times more (I think 10 times possibly more) casien in cows milk than human milk. Plus, all the hormones form the feed and the immune programming... I personally don't want the immune system of a cow whose intestines are much longer than ours and their immune system is drastically different. Lastly, Harvard did a study on children in third world countries who never drink milk and compared their bone density with kids in the US and found they were practically identical. I'm not saying our kids don't need calcium, but maybe it's not as critical every day as we think it is.Ok, one really last thought. If you could get calcium from rat poison... would you feed it to your child? Probably not, but cows milk is poison for most of our kids... and yet it goes on every day.If you add to that that we are the only mamal that drinks another mamals milk on the planet, and that milk is a cheap multi-billion dollar industry... it's clear, at least to me, why the push to drink another animals milk exists.I have a nice two page review of the medical literature that supports milk as being a persistant problem for human health. It's called "Not Milk" and it's in the Files section of this group.Basically, I wouldn't go running out and buying a cow as a family pet at this point. Just supplement the body in healthy natural ways. - Stan> > > > > >> > > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or how you > > > > know it works for > > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do them and > > > > switched to TD MB12, > > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this website. > > > > maurine> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > > > > low rates.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Oops, I guess I forgot to say that I'm using goat milk to make the kefir. I thought that goat milk was okay because so many people on the SCD group (pecanbread) use goat milk to make the yogurt that is in Elaine's book.... as I understood, the casein in the goat milk is much smaller than that of cow milk. Anyway, I'm more confused now then ever....

Re: signs of viral kids?/diet

Hi Sheryl,There is certainly evidence that pateurizing and homogenizing makes milk worse for you. I equte it to frying food. But, why are we still talking about drinking cows milk anyway?I ask people all the time, "What are you trying to accomplish?" The answers are usually about Calcium and Vitamin D, and they can be found in much safer ways through other foods and dietary supplementation.Under a microscope, casien is a very complex, and often undigestible molecule.. there's no way around it --and undigsted food is fuel for bacterial and fungus in the intestines. Milk also very very commonly leaks out of the intestines if they are impaired (like with our kids). Just about every IGG Food Allergy Panel I have ever seen shows milk leaking. There is multiple times more (I think 10 times possibly more) casien in cows milk than human milk. Plus, all the hormones form the feed and the immune programming... I personally don't want the immune system of a cow whose intestines are much longer than ours and their immune system is drastically different. Lastly, Harvard did a study on children in third world countries who never drink milk and compared their bone density with kids in the US and found they were practically identical. I'm not saying our kids don't need calcium, but maybe it's not as critical every day as we think it is.Ok, one really last thought. If you could get calcium from rat poison... would you feed it to your child? Probably not, but cows milk is poison for most of our kids... and yet it goes on every day.If you add to that that we are the only mamal that drinks another mamals milk on the planet, and that milk is a cheap multi-billion dollar industry... it's clear, at least to me, why the push to drink another animals milk exists.I have a nice two page review of the medical literature that supports milk as being a persistant problem for human health. It's called "Not Milk" and it's in the Files section of this group.Basically, I wouldn't go running out and buying a cow as a family pet at this point. Just supplement the body in healthy natural ways. - Stan> > > > > >> > > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or how you > > > > know it works for > > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do them and > > > > switched to TD MB12, > > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this website. > > > > maurine> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > > > > low rates.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Using goat milk in making yogurt is different than using straight milk. You

ferment the

goats milk first, which helps to break it down. I never used the goats milk for

yogart

because... well, I'm a guy and I don't have that type of cooking patience... and

I was a bit

concerned about it really... but many families really believe in it.

Either way, why use milk? What are you trying to do with it? You can't use it

for cerial and

you don't need it for calcium and vitamin D which you can get in many other

things... like

nut milk...

Oh, the kefir... well, I'm not an expert on that. My first feeling is to just

use probiotics and

get any milk products out of there to start. Once you get through some die off

and feel

you have things under better control you can play around a bit. If I remember

correctly,

the yogart is not part of the SCD starter diet either, so I would really hold

off on this.

I find the best way to get the diet started is going strict in the beginning. I

see a lot of

people play around too much at the beginning and waste time purely because they

are

afriad to jump in.

We do have some SCD experts on this list who may start chiming in at some point

as well.

- Stan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or

how you

> > > > > know it works for

> > > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do

them and

> > > > > switched to TD MB12,

> > > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this

website.

> > > > > maurine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for

ridiculously

> > > > > low rates.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Using goat milk in making yogurt is different than using straight milk. You

ferment the

goats milk first, which helps to break it down. I never used the goats milk for

yogart

because... well, I'm a guy and I don't have that type of cooking patience... and

I was a bit

concerned about it really... but many families really believe in it.

Either way, why use milk? What are you trying to do with it? You can't use it

for cerial and

you don't need it for calcium and vitamin D which you can get in many other

things... like

nut milk...

Oh, the kefir... well, I'm not an expert on that. My first feeling is to just

use probiotics and

get any milk products out of there to start. Once you get through some die off

and feel

you have things under better control you can play around a bit. If I remember

correctly,

the yogart is not part of the SCD starter diet either, so I would really hold

off on this.

I find the best way to get the diet started is going strict in the beginning. I

see a lot of

people play around too much at the beginning and waste time purely because they

are

afriad to jump in.

We do have some SCD experts on this list who may start chiming in at some point

as well.

- Stan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or

how you

> > > > > know it works for

> > > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do

them and

> > > > > switched to TD MB12,

> > > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this

website.

> > > > > maurine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for

ridiculously

> > > > > low rates.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Thanks for the input. I do feel scd is right for my kiddo. I just wish I knew he could tolerate the high protein.

I guess with my guy - being as sensory defensive and picky as he is- better not to give fried chicken nuggets(homemade /organic of course) until maybe a few weeks go by and he's eating other things.

I think that may have been a problem the first scd go around.

He found 2 things he liked-

egg /squash pancakes and nuggets. He ate those and that's it. Maybe best to offer apples AND PEARS.....but other than that only "novel" foods.

labs:

We did just send off 3 labs today.

Doctors data Urine Essential/metals and urine Amino Acids and Great Smokies metabolic analysis.

I am very interested in seeing the results.

Thanks again.

I keep hearing bits and pieces. Did you have an autistic child and recover him/her?

Beth Acree

Re: signs of viral kids?/diet

My knowlege base is adding zinc is good, copper isn't. They get enough copper from pipes if you ask me. I don't know Kinghardt and I don't know how adding copper could help when these kids already have too much copper.It's hard to look at your diet. It hurts me to read it. It might help to get an OATs test and see what fungus and bacteria levels you have there... that might help to keep you motivated to stick with it.It looks like you're having a tough time with what I'm saying about diet and you're not the first and won't be the last. What to eat is SCD minus IGG Food allergies IMO. That's the best place to start. BTVC has pages and pages of recepes. My starter diet has a bunch of foods and my son was on that for about a year... but I know my diet philosphies aren't for everyone.My Starter DietAny MeatsAny Green VeggiesPear, peeled apple, small amounts of melonReverse Osmosis Drinking Water Only (no spring water or tap)Organic food preferredIf your child has to have juice, then juice yourself some pear and apple and add some spinach... water it down a bit if you need to, then put it in a sippie cut for the kids that don't like the color.And feed, feed, feed your kids every chance you can.If you see head banging it could be from fungal die off, that was even mentioned today I think. I would use activated charcoal in the morning and if you really really really are having a hard time and you have a really friendly doctor I've heard people with head banging using low dose prednesone during die off for the first two weeks... maybe 5mg per day and then get off of it right after. - Stan> > > > > >> > > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or how you > > > > know it works for > > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do them and > > > > switched to TD MB12, > > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this website. > > > > maurine> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > > > > low rates.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Thanks for the input. I do feel scd is right for my kiddo. I just wish I knew he could tolerate the high protein.

I guess with my guy - being as sensory defensive and picky as he is- better not to give fried chicken nuggets(homemade /organic of course) until maybe a few weeks go by and he's eating other things.

I think that may have been a problem the first scd go around.

He found 2 things he liked-

egg /squash pancakes and nuggets. He ate those and that's it. Maybe best to offer apples AND PEARS.....but other than that only "novel" foods.

labs:

We did just send off 3 labs today.

Doctors data Urine Essential/metals and urine Amino Acids and Great Smokies metabolic analysis.

I am very interested in seeing the results.

Thanks again.

I keep hearing bits and pieces. Did you have an autistic child and recover him/her?

Beth Acree

Re: signs of viral kids?/diet

My knowlege base is adding zinc is good, copper isn't. They get enough copper from pipes if you ask me. I don't know Kinghardt and I don't know how adding copper could help when these kids already have too much copper.It's hard to look at your diet. It hurts me to read it. It might help to get an OATs test and see what fungus and bacteria levels you have there... that might help to keep you motivated to stick with it.It looks like you're having a tough time with what I'm saying about diet and you're not the first and won't be the last. What to eat is SCD minus IGG Food allergies IMO. That's the best place to start. BTVC has pages and pages of recepes. My starter diet has a bunch of foods and my son was on that for about a year... but I know my diet philosphies aren't for everyone.My Starter DietAny MeatsAny Green VeggiesPear, peeled apple, small amounts of melonReverse Osmosis Drinking Water Only (no spring water or tap)Organic food preferredIf your child has to have juice, then juice yourself some pear and apple and add some spinach... water it down a bit if you need to, then put it in a sippie cut for the kids that don't like the color.And feed, feed, feed your kids every chance you can.If you see head banging it could be from fungal die off, that was even mentioned today I think. I would use activated charcoal in the morning and if you really really really are having a hard time and you have a really friendly doctor I've heard people with head banging using low dose prednesone during die off for the first two weeks... maybe 5mg per day and then get off of it right after. - Stan> > > > > >> > > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or how you > > > > know it works for > > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do them and > > > > switched to TD MB12, > > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this website. > > > > maurine> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > > > > low rates.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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I have a child with autism. His name is Ethan. His recovery video is here:

www.recoveryvideos.com

- Stan

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> > > > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or

how you

> > > > > know it works for

> > > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do

them and

> > > > > switched to TD MB12,

> > > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this

website.

> > > > > maurine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for

ridiculously

> > > > > low rates.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

I have a child with autism. His name is Ethan. His recovery video is here:

www.recoveryvideos.com

- Stan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > can somebody tell me any studies done on nasal MB12 or

how you

> > > > > know it works for

> > > > > > you. I had to stop the shots-grandson would't let me do

them and

> > > > > switched to TD MB12,

> > > > > > but it probably does nothing. thanks. i am new to this

website.

> > > > > maurine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for

ridiculously

> > > > > low rates.

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