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Stan, not to be disrespectful of the doctor you are speaking of

because I think I might know of this person and find her a lovely

individual as well. But I have a bit of a different take on it.

I work with parents on Autism Answer and have now for a year and a

half. Part of what I do as a parent is simply support the parent

trying to heal their child. What their decision is for treatmeant

is up to them. But I do try to point out the genetic make-up for

the guide line to follow. Unfortunately not all those parents

decide to go full force Yasko. Instead they follow their

physicians " Yasko protocol " , which isn't her protocol at all. It's

not even close to hers on some occasions. As I said that is the

parents decision. But I find it hard to judge Dr. Yaskos RNA's when

they are not actually following her protocol but using her RNA's as

a side supplement.

Now, don't anyone panic that knows me, because our conversations are

confidential. Totally confidential. But let's face it, we as

parents talk to one another and WE know that not many out there are

sticking to just one protocol. I mean even the parents who are

seeing the doctor I see will say " Don't tell Dr.____ but I'm using

some of Hicks, Bradstreets, Woellers (etc)...... ideas too. Hey!

what ever works!! But if it doesn't work you can't pin the failure

on one particular supplement or protocol.

Out of the hundreds and hundreds of parents that I've dealt with on

autism answer, honestly I've not had one tell me that they've come

back with high liver toxicity while following Dr. Yasko's protocol

with the RNA's. However, I have had parents with high liver enzymes

that were " quietly using " other supplements, other protocols, other

diets contrary to gentics (SCD for example). I've also seen

children come back with high liver enzyme after using sulpher based,

or lipid based detox with previously reported liver toxicity and

then starting on Step two of the protocol with no caution of

building up the organs or the body and not even considering using

the protocol as it was intended to be used.

I think this might be a case of people thinking they are buying a

bottle of something simple that will cure their woes. But unless

they are following the protocol it is not really fair to claim a

common denominator being the RNA's. Lot's of parents are trying

RNAs and lot's of parents are using Valtrex so whose to say it's not

the Valtrex? Or fill in the blank, you get my point.

I tried to think about your post tonight objectively as well as the

emails I received tonight with concern. I beleive that if the

doctor you are speaking of is the doctor I'm thinking of she might

have just been trying to make a point. The same point that I try to

make with parents especially old timers with autims. The

Methylation, and Metals RNA are not just water drops. They do cause

tremendous detox not high liver enzymes. So if a child has high

liver enzymes and has been using DMSA, DMPS, VALTREX, etc. then

hitting that kid with one more bomb isn't going to make the liver

better. Detox of any kind puts a strain on the liver and other

organs. But the bottom line is that Ive not had one report out of

hundreds and hundreds, that the RNA's are causing liver toxicity.

I hope this helps to alleviate some of the fears of the parents that

I personally work with. Thanks Stan, I know you were not suggesting

other wise and were just reporting to be observant as we all should.

mom to Hamish

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> this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.

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Stan, not to be disrespectful of the doctor you are speaking of

because I think I might know of this person and find her a lovely

individual as well. But I have a bit of a different take on it.

I work with parents on Autism Answer and have now for a year and a

half. Part of what I do as a parent is simply support the parent

trying to heal their child. What their decision is for treatmeant

is up to them. But I do try to point out the genetic make-up for

the guide line to follow. Unfortunately not all those parents

decide to go full force Yasko. Instead they follow their

physicians " Yasko protocol " , which isn't her protocol at all. It's

not even close to hers on some occasions. As I said that is the

parents decision. But I find it hard to judge Dr. Yaskos RNA's when

they are not actually following her protocol but using her RNA's as

a side supplement.

Now, don't anyone panic that knows me, because our conversations are

confidential. Totally confidential. But let's face it, we as

parents talk to one another and WE know that not many out there are

sticking to just one protocol. I mean even the parents who are

seeing the doctor I see will say " Don't tell Dr.____ but I'm using

some of Hicks, Bradstreets, Woellers (etc)...... ideas too. Hey!

what ever works!! But if it doesn't work you can't pin the failure

on one particular supplement or protocol.

Out of the hundreds and hundreds of parents that I've dealt with on

autism answer, honestly I've not had one tell me that they've come

back with high liver toxicity while following Dr. Yasko's protocol

with the RNA's. However, I have had parents with high liver enzymes

that were " quietly using " other supplements, other protocols, other

diets contrary to gentics (SCD for example). I've also seen

children come back with high liver enzyme after using sulpher based,

or lipid based detox with previously reported liver toxicity and

then starting on Step two of the protocol with no caution of

building up the organs or the body and not even considering using

the protocol as it was intended to be used.

I think this might be a case of people thinking they are buying a

bottle of something simple that will cure their woes. But unless

they are following the protocol it is not really fair to claim a

common denominator being the RNA's. Lot's of parents are trying

RNAs and lot's of parents are using Valtrex so whose to say it's not

the Valtrex? Or fill in the blank, you get my point.

I tried to think about your post tonight objectively as well as the

emails I received tonight with concern. I beleive that if the

doctor you are speaking of is the doctor I'm thinking of she might

have just been trying to make a point. The same point that I try to

make with parents especially old timers with autims. The

Methylation, and Metals RNA are not just water drops. They do cause

tremendous detox not high liver enzymes. So if a child has high

liver enzymes and has been using DMSA, DMPS, VALTREX, etc. then

hitting that kid with one more bomb isn't going to make the liver

better. Detox of any kind puts a strain on the liver and other

organs. But the bottom line is that Ive not had one report out of

hundreds and hundreds, that the RNA's are causing liver toxicity.

I hope this helps to alleviate some of the fears of the parents that

I personally work with. Thanks Stan, I know you were not suggesting

other wise and were just reporting to be observant as we all should.

mom to Hamish

> >

> > I know this is off topic, but Stan, you mentioned something

about

> this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.

> >

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Hi ,

Let's just agree to disagree. (I'm just kidding... joking :)

I'm glad you don't see raised enzymes using the Yasko protocol. If it happened

all the

time, I'm sure we'd all know about it.

I think the tone of my email was just communicating one piece of information

that I heard

from someone that I highly respect. I'm not advocating anyone stopping RNA or

panicing.

I even said if you see raised enzyme levels it's not the end of the world... you

just change

your approach and the liver usually settles right now from what I understand.

Obviously you have seen posative things from RNA and you firmly believe in it

and I

respect that and I really have no agenda. Like you said, I'm just passing

information

along... and I was really careful not to amplify it. I just wanted to put that

little piece of

information on record in case others see something similar. Tomorrow it will be

forgotten

unless we see more examples of it... which from what you are saying probably

won't

happen.

The only little subtle thing that I object to is how you threw Valtrex in the

mix. It felt juwst

a bit passive-aggressive to me like " knock my RNA, I'll knock your Valtrex, " but

I think we

are speaking respectfully and on the same team so I can overlook it without

obsessing

over it or dragging it along, or obsessing over it... or... Sorry, what was I

saying? Anyway...

In reality, if we are doing the right things to get toxins out of our child,

there will be some

added work that the liver and kidneys will have to do. That's a fact, and

there's no way

around it. Of course, that's what the liver and kidneys are there for, so let's

not kid

ourselves.

When we use products to encourage detox we should be aware of tid bits of

information

that might tell us how toxic the product might be either individually or in

combination

with other things, in higher doses and lower, etc. If we do hear things, I

would rather talk

about it calmly and openly rather than burry it under the rug because we may

love the

product or the person working with it... RNA, TD-DMPS, Valtrex, MB12 nasal spray

--

whatever.

If you look closely at my post, I was very careful how I said what I said,

looking at both

sides of it, qualifying what type of information it was, etc. I don't think

anyone should

change their approach because of that piece of information, it's just something

to put on

record and to keep your eye open about... nothing more.

I hope that helps.

- Stan

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> > > I know this is off topic, but Stan, you mentioned something

> about

> > this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.

> > >

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Hi ,

Let's just agree to disagree. (I'm just kidding... joking :)

I'm glad you don't see raised enzymes using the Yasko protocol. If it happened

all the

time, I'm sure we'd all know about it.

I think the tone of my email was just communicating one piece of information

that I heard

from someone that I highly respect. I'm not advocating anyone stopping RNA or

panicing.

I even said if you see raised enzyme levels it's not the end of the world... you

just change

your approach and the liver usually settles right now from what I understand.

Obviously you have seen posative things from RNA and you firmly believe in it

and I

respect that and I really have no agenda. Like you said, I'm just passing

information

along... and I was really careful not to amplify it. I just wanted to put that

little piece of

information on record in case others see something similar. Tomorrow it will be

forgotten

unless we see more examples of it... which from what you are saying probably

won't

happen.

The only little subtle thing that I object to is how you threw Valtrex in the

mix. It felt juwst

a bit passive-aggressive to me like " knock my RNA, I'll knock your Valtrex, " but

I think we

are speaking respectfully and on the same team so I can overlook it without

obsessing

over it or dragging it along, or obsessing over it... or... Sorry, what was I

saying? Anyway...

In reality, if we are doing the right things to get toxins out of our child,

there will be some

added work that the liver and kidneys will have to do. That's a fact, and

there's no way

around it. Of course, that's what the liver and kidneys are there for, so let's

not kid

ourselves.

When we use products to encourage detox we should be aware of tid bits of

information

that might tell us how toxic the product might be either individually or in

combination

with other things, in higher doses and lower, etc. If we do hear things, I

would rather talk

about it calmly and openly rather than burry it under the rug because we may

love the

product or the person working with it... RNA, TD-DMPS, Valtrex, MB12 nasal spray

--

whatever.

If you look closely at my post, I was very careful how I said what I said,

looking at both

sides of it, qualifying what type of information it was, etc. I don't think

anyone should

change their approach because of that piece of information, it's just something

to put on

record and to keep your eye open about... nothing more.

I hope that helps.

- Stan

> > >

> > > I know this is off topic, but Stan, you mentioned something

> about

> > this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.

> > >

> > >

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,

What an excellent post. I think much of what you say about Yasko's

protocol can be applied to many things in biomedical approaches. I

am always careful when a parent says, " I tried this and it didn't

work " or " I tried this and it was brillian " to discern what exactly

it is they tried. Often parents speak of a protocol and don't mean

at all what I think they are meaning, or what the person who

developed the protocol intended. We see this in chelation protocols

all the time..

For many of our kids, the recovery is going to be in the details.

We need to be clear on these details. Thanks for your post. And

don't apologize for it being long--that's the only way details can

be revealed sometimes.

Anita

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> > > I know this is off topic, but Stan, you mentioned something

> about

> > this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.

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,

What an excellent post. I think much of what you say about Yasko's

protocol can be applied to many things in biomedical approaches. I

am always careful when a parent says, " I tried this and it didn't

work " or " I tried this and it was brillian " to discern what exactly

it is they tried. Often parents speak of a protocol and don't mean

at all what I think they are meaning, or what the person who

developed the protocol intended. We see this in chelation protocols

all the time..

For many of our kids, the recovery is going to be in the details.

We need to be clear on these details. Thanks for your post. And

don't apologize for it being long--that's the only way details can

be revealed sometimes.

Anita

> > >

> > > I know this is off topic, but Stan, you mentioned something

> about

> > this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.

> > >

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Thank you for going into more detail. I just posted because I

recieved emails from parents.

No Knocks on Valtrex! I'm using it too! :) It just popped into my

head as I was writing because that's the only thing I'm using that

my doc makes me check the liver for. Guess I wasn't thinking of how

it sounded. No knocks intended folks. Valtrex is turning many

children around.

Thank you for elaborating even further; it was not my concern really

just throwing out a bit more information for parents who are bit

more leary, must be the full moon.

Respectfully,

> > > >

> > > > I know this is off topic, but Stan, you mentioned something

> > about

> > > this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.

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Thank you for going into more detail. I just posted because I

recieved emails from parents.

No Knocks on Valtrex! I'm using it too! :) It just popped into my

head as I was writing because that's the only thing I'm using that

my doc makes me check the liver for. Guess I wasn't thinking of how

it sounded. No knocks intended folks. Valtrex is turning many

children around.

Thank you for elaborating even further; it was not my concern really

just throwing out a bit more information for parents who are bit

more leary, must be the full moon.

Respectfully,

> > > >

> > > > I know this is off topic, but Stan, you mentioned something

> > about

> > > this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.

> > > >

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Thank you Anita, you are very kind. I was hoping that I wasn't

sounding defensive or anything. I too am confused about protocol's

as everyone does them so differently! No one can figure out what's

what. One day I hope it will get more organized, but I think we are

on our way!!

> > > >

> > > > I know this is off topic, but Stan, you mentioned something

> > about

> > > this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.

> > > >

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Thank you Anita, you are very kind. I was hoping that I wasn't

sounding defensive or anything. I too am confused about protocol's

as everyone does them so differently! No one can figure out what's

what. One day I hope it will get more organized, but I think we are

on our way!!

> > > >

> > > > I know this is off topic, but Stan, you mentioned something

> > about

> > > this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.

> > > >

> > > >

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, Ditto...Very well said. Recoveralex ()Anita Kugelstadt <mysuperteach@...> wrote: ,What an excellent post. I think much of what you say about Yasko's protocol can be applied to many things in biomedical approaches. I am always careful when a parent says, "I tried this and it didn't work" or "I tried this and it was brillian" to discern what exactly it is they tried. Often parents speak of a protocol and don't mean at all what I think they are meaning, or what the person who developed the protocol intended. We see this in chelation protocols all the time..For many of our kids, the recovery is going to be in the details. We need to be clear on these details.

Thanks for your post. And don't apologize for it being long--that's the only way details can be revealed sometimes.Anita> > >> > > I know this is off topic, but Stan, you mentioned something > about > > this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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, Ditto...Very well said. Recoveralex ()Anita Kugelstadt <mysuperteach@...> wrote: ,What an excellent post. I think much of what you say about Yasko's protocol can be applied to many things in biomedical approaches. I am always careful when a parent says, "I tried this and it didn't work" or "I tried this and it was brillian" to discern what exactly it is they tried. Often parents speak of a protocol and don't mean at all what I think they are meaning, or what the person who developed the protocol intended. We see this in chelation protocols all the time..For many of our kids, the recovery is going to be in the details. We need to be clear on these details.

Thanks for your post. And don't apologize for it being long--that's the only way details can be revealed sometimes.Anita> > >> > > I know this is off topic, but Stan, you mentioned something > about > > this and I was concerned. Can you elaborate.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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