RE: Just started program on 8/14/00

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In a message dated 8/30/00 8:20:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< What are your stats in terms of starting weight, bodyfat, current weight,

bodyfat, goals in terms of muscle gains and fat loss, etc.? >>

You can click on the link to see my stats

<A HREF= " http://www.bfltracker.com/profile.cfm " >BFLTracker.com - Body For

Life Online Progress Tracking</A>

But here they are if that does not work....

Weight was 254.0 Body fat was 37.0%

Neck Chest Biceps Forearms Hips Waist Thighs Calves

18.0 45.0 14.0 12.0 44.0 46.0 24.0 17.0

Today I am at : Weight 238.0 Body fat 28.0 %

Neck Chest Biceps Forearms Hips Waist Thighs Calves

18.0 45.0 14.0 12.0 44.0 46.0 24.0

17.0

It seems as if I was losing everything in the beginning as the stats

in-between these two showed most of my body parts getting smaller with the

weight loss, but now most of them are getting bigger, and I am still losing

weight, just not as fast.

<<<kit.keyes@... writes:

If some days you have five meals and some days six, does your calorie

consumption vary or do you add to the meals when you have five to make up

for the lost meal?>>>

When I skipped meals, I sometimes would make it up, but most of the time did

not. There were 3 times that I ate food I should not have and too much of

it, so I just counted them as my free day's, but I have not touched fast food

at all, that includes pizza.

Now a-days, I am consistent with my 5 to 6 meals a day, 3 of them are the

myoplex. I drink a lot of water, and that helps too. I feel great, I quit

smoking too, I sleep better than I ever did. I know so much of this has to

do with eating right and working out right, but it also has to do with

treating myself better, and also my spiritual health. I was lost for a few

years, but now I am not, and it shows in my commitments. One thing that Bill

said in his book that was the pivoting moment for me, that was something

regarding making commitments to and/or for yourself, and then not keeping

your word to yourself, and what that does to your self worth, and confidence.

He said that if you made a decision and keep your word just for the 12

weeks, you will be a different person when u r done. I already feel

different. But I will say this about the program... " it is not for people who

need it, or for people who want it, but it is for people who do it " I

believe that if I do these simple (not easy) things, I will transform my body.

<<<<kit.keyes@... writes:

Do you record what you eat each day, plan ahead and all that stuff? Are you

following the portion rule?>>>>

I made a copy of the daily progress reports for weight training, aerobics and

the meals for every day of the challenge. I have a note book with all of

them inside. I write down all that I do right or wrong, where I need to grow

or push myself, where I feel like giving up as well as all my meals, BUT, I

have not yet to date made out my meal plan for the day, and I am sure that if

I do that, I will never miss another meal, but for some reason I have never

done that YET.

I do follow the portion rule very well, and I do remember when to eat most of

the time. I keep a shaker and myoplex in my office, my car, my gym bag, even

at my girlfriends house, but sometime I just forget. I think I might get an

alarm to remind me.

<<<<< kit.keyes@... writes:

Betagen calls for three servings to get the optimal amount of HMB and

Creatine. Any reason you are having only two servings?>>>>>

If I remember it right, it says to use 1 and a half spoon full 3 times a day,

and what I do is put 2 in my morning water and take my multi vitamin, 3 or 4

Phen-Free and then when I get home from work I do it again, and at night I

take the CytoVol. I also have Phospha Gems that are like candy, and I chew

on a few of them as well throughout the day.

<<<<<kit.keyes@... writes:

I'd attribute the extra weight loss to the extra cardio. It might slow your

lean muscle gains, but it looks like you're kicking butt on the fat loss.

Are you doing your HIIT cardio on an empty stomach in the morning or some

other method?>>>

Every morning I do cardio with just a very tall glass of water or Crystal

Lite Ice tea, and then the BetaGen mixed into Orange Gatorade, along with my

multi vitamin, and the Phen Free. I also walk with my girlfriend in the

evening when I am with her, or do something else. I also work my ABS almost

everyday. I guess I think I will lose weight at my belly, but you know, that

is the one place I see it the least.

On my weight training days, I hit the tread mill for a 5 min warm up walking

very fast up hill. Then go into my work out, then finish off my work out

with 20 min on the tread mill and go home, or to work.

<<<<<<kit.keyes@... writes:

Let us know how the progress is after your body composition testing. All

the best! Kit :=) >>>>>>

I will ASAP, and thank you for writing to me. I am grateful I taped into a

support chain of winners.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/30/00 8:20:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< What are your stats in terms of starting weight, bodyfat, current weight,

bodyfat, goals in terms of muscle gains and fat loss, etc.? >>

You can click on the link to see my stats

<A HREF= " http://www.bfltracker.com/profile.cfm " >BFLTracker.com - Body For

Life Online Progress Tracking</A>

But here they are if that does not work....

Weight was 254.0 Body fat was 37.0%

Neck Chest Biceps Forearms Hips Waist Thighs Calves

18.0 45.0 14.0 12.0 44.0 46.0 24.0 17.0

Today I am at : Weight 238.0 Body fat 28.0 %

Neck Chest Biceps Forearms Hips Waist Thighs Calves

18.0 45.0 14.0 12.0 44.0 46.0 24.0

17.0

It seems as if I was losing everything in the beginning as the stats

in-between these two showed most of my body parts getting smaller with the

weight loss, but now most of them are getting bigger, and I am still losing

weight, just not as fast.

<<<kit.keyes@... writes:

If some days you have five meals and some days six, does your calorie

consumption vary or do you add to the meals when you have five to make up

for the lost meal?>>>

When I skipped meals, I sometimes would make it up, but most of the time did

not. There were 3 times that I ate food I should not have and too much of

it, so I just counted them as my free day's, but I have not touched fast food

at all, that includes pizza.

Now a-days, I am consistent with my 5 to 6 meals a day, 3 of them are the

myoplex. I drink a lot of water, and that helps too. I feel great, I quit

smoking too, I sleep better than I ever did. I know so much of this has to

do with eating right and working out right, but it also has to do with

treating myself better, and also my spiritual health. I was lost for a few

years, but now I am not, and it shows in my commitments. One thing that Bill

said in his book that was the pivoting moment for me, that was something

regarding making commitments to and/or for yourself, and then not keeping

your word to yourself, and what that does to your self worth, and confidence.

He said that if you made a decision and keep your word just for the 12

weeks, you will be a different person when u r done. I already feel

different. But I will say this about the program... " it is not for people who

need it, or for people who want it, but it is for people who do it " I

believe that if I do these simple (not easy) things, I will transform my body.

<<<<kit.keyes@... writes:

Do you record what you eat each day, plan ahead and all that stuff? Are you

following the portion rule?>>>>

I made a copy of the daily progress reports for weight training, aerobics and

the meals for every day of the challenge. I have a note book with all of

them inside. I write down all that I do right or wrong, where I need to grow

or push myself, where I feel like giving up as well as all my meals, BUT, I

have not yet to date made out my meal plan for the day, and I am sure that if

I do that, I will never miss another meal, but for some reason I have never

done that YET.

I do follow the portion rule very well, and I do remember when to eat most of

the time. I keep a shaker and myoplex in my office, my car, my gym bag, even

at my girlfriends house, but sometime I just forget. I think I might get an

alarm to remind me.

<<<<< kit.keyes@... writes:

Betagen calls for three servings to get the optimal amount of HMB and

Creatine. Any reason you are having only two servings?>>>>>

If I remember it right, it says to use 1 and a half spoon full 3 times a day,

and what I do is put 2 in my morning water and take my multi vitamin, 3 or 4

Phen-Free and then when I get home from work I do it again, and at night I

take the CytoVol. I also have Phospha Gems that are like candy, and I chew

on a few of them as well throughout the day.

<<<<<kit.keyes@... writes:

I'd attribute the extra weight loss to the extra cardio. It might slow your

lean muscle gains, but it looks like you're kicking butt on the fat loss.

Are you doing your HIIT cardio on an empty stomach in the morning or some

other method?>>>

Every morning I do cardio with just a very tall glass of water or Crystal

Lite Ice tea, and then the BetaGen mixed into Orange Gatorade, along with my

multi vitamin, and the Phen Free. I also walk with my girlfriend in the

evening when I am with her, or do something else. I also work my ABS almost

everyday. I guess I think I will lose weight at my belly, but you know, that

is the one place I see it the least.

On my weight training days, I hit the tread mill for a 5 min warm up walking

very fast up hill. Then go into my work out, then finish off my work out

with 20 min on the tread mill and go home, or to work.

<<<<<<kit.keyes@... writes:

Let us know how the progress is after your body composition testing. All

the best! Kit :=) >>>>>>

I will ASAP, and thank you for writing to me. I am grateful I taped into a

support chain of winners.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/30/00 8:20:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< If some days you have five meals and some days six, does your calorie

consumption vary or do you add to the meals when you have five to make up

for the lost meal?

>>

When I skipped meals, I sometimes would make it up, but most of the time did

not. There were 3 times that I ate food I should not have and too much of

it, so I just counted them as my free day's, but I have not touched fast

food at all, that includes pizza.

Now a-days, I am consistent with my 5 to 6 meals a day, 3 of them are the

myoplex. I drink a lot of water, and that helps too. I feel great, I quit

smoking too, I sleep better than I ever did. I know so much of this has to

do with eating right and working out right, but it also has to do with

treating myself better, and also my spiritual health. I was lost for a few

years, but now I am not, and it shows in my commitments. One thing that

Bill said in his book that was the pivoting moment for me, that was somethin

g regarding making commitments to and/or for yourself, and then not keeping

your word to yourself, and what that does to your self worth, and confidence

.. He said that if you made a decision and keep your word just for the 12

weeks, you will be a different person when u r done. I already feel differe

nt. But I will say this about the program... " it is not for people who need

it, or for people who want it, but it is for people who do it " I believe th

at if I do these simple (not easy) things, I will transform my body.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/30/00 8:20:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< If some days you have five meals and some days six, does your calorie

consumption vary or do you add to the meals when you have five to make up

for the lost meal?

>>

When I skipped meals, I sometimes would make it up, but most of the time did

not. There were 3 times that I ate food I should not have and too much of

it, so I just counted them as my free day's, but I have not touched fast

food at all, that includes pizza.

Now a-days, I am consistent with my 5 to 6 meals a day, 3 of them are the

myoplex. I drink a lot of water, and that helps too. I feel great, I quit

smoking too, I sleep better than I ever did. I know so much of this has to

do with eating right and working out right, but it also has to do with

treating myself better, and also my spiritual health. I was lost for a few

years, but now I am not, and it shows in my commitments. One thing that

Bill said in his book that was the pivoting moment for me, that was somethin

g regarding making commitments to and/or for yourself, and then not keeping

your word to yourself, and what that does to your self worth, and confidence

.. He said that if you made a decision and keep your word just for the 12

weeks, you will be a different person when u r done. I already feel differe

nt. But I will say this about the program... " it is not for people who need

it, or for people who want it, but it is for people who do it " I believe th

at if I do these simple (not easy) things, I will transform my body.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/30/00 8:20:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< Betagen calls for three servings to get the optimal amount of HMB and

Creatine. Any reason you are having only two servings?

>>

If I remember it right, it says to use 1 and a half spoon full 3 times a day,

and what I do is put 2 in my morning water and take my multi vitamin, 3 or

4 Phen-Free and then when I get home from work I do it again, and at night

I take the CytoVol. I also have Phospha Gems that are like candy, and I

chew on a few of them as well throughout the day.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/30/00 8:20:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< Do you record what you eat each day, plan ahead and all that stuff? Are

you

following the portion rule?

>>

I made a copy of the daily progress reports for weight training, aerobics and

the meals for every day of the challenge. I have a note book with all of

them inside. I write down all that I do right or wrong, where I need to

grow or push myself, where I feel like giving up as well as all my meals,

BUT, I have not yet to date made out my meal plan for the day, and I am

sure that if I do that, I will never miss another meal, but for some reason

I have never done that YET.

I do follow the portion rule very well, and I do remember when to eat most

of the time. I keep a shaker and myoplex in my office, my car, my gym bag,

even at my girlfriends house, but sometime I just forget. I think I might g

et an alarm to remind me.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/30/00 8:20:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< Do you record what you eat each day, plan ahead and all that stuff? Are

you

following the portion rule?

>>

I made a copy of the daily progress reports for weight training, aerobics and

the meals for every day of the challenge. I have a note book with all of

them inside. I write down all that I do right or wrong, where I need to

grow or push myself, where I feel like giving up as well as all my meals,

BUT, I have not yet to date made out my meal plan for the day, and I am

sure that if I do that, I will never miss another meal, but for some reason

I have never done that YET.

I do follow the portion rule very well, and I do remember when to eat most

of the time. I keep a shaker and myoplex in my office, my car, my gym bag,

even at my girlfriends house, but sometime I just forget. I think I might g

et an alarm to remind me.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/30/00 8:20:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< I'd attribute the extra weight loss to the extra cardio. It might slow

your

lean muscle gains, but it looks like you're kicking butt on the fat loss.

Are you doing your HIIT cardio on an empty stomach in the morning or some

other method?

>>

Every morning I do cardio with just a very tall glass of water or Crystal

Lite Ice tea, and then the BetaGen mixed into Orange Gatorade, along with

my multi vitamin, and the Phen Free. I also walk with my girlfriend in the

evening when I am with her, or do something else. I also work my ABS

almost everyday. I guess I think I will lose weight at my belly, but you

know, that is the one place I see it the least.

On my weight training days, I hit the tread mill for a 5 min warm up

walking very fast up hill. Then go into my work out, then finish off my

work out with 20 min on the tread mill and go home, or to work.

Peace to you now and forever,

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 31-Aug-00 01:41:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< If there is a way to repeat those

results with the average person, you could be a billionaire! >>

I.E. - Bill is a multi-millionaire...maybe not billionaire but I

think his assetts put him pretty close to the likes of Bill Gates because he

doesn't have the debt that Gates does.

-Nic

[Guest guest]

,

Welcome! I too, am in Orlando.

Good luck with the program and I'll look forward to talking with you.

Happy training & healthy eating,

Shontell

on 8/30/00 4:59 PM, at One@... wrote:

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Hello everyone,

My name is , and I live in Orlando, FL. I just started on

8/14/00, but I kinda worked my way into it a few weeks before. I have

lost in just this month alone, over 15 pounds, and since I started

about 6 weeks ago, about 20 to 25 pounds. I called EAS and they told

me not to worry, but to switch from Myoplex Lite to the regular. I

have 5 to 6 meals a day. I take Myoplex Lite 3x a day, and use

BetaGen 2x a day, and the Cyto Vol at night, and I am also using the

Phen Free 3x a day. I do weight training and lite cardio 3x per week

and Interval cardio 3x a week and do extra ab work on those days too.

I am eating good food that are well balanced. I cannot believe how

much I have changed, but it is real. I had my pic's taken on the

15th, and I will have another set made about the same date in

September. I hope I can see the change there too. Others can see it,

but sometimes I think I am always the last one. Well, if there is

anyone in or around Florida or any place that would like to write

back and forth let me know. I need the support.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 31-Aug-00 08:11:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< Bill Gates......Billionaire

Bill .........Priceless >>

Oh Suh-weet. Good catch!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/31/00 1:41:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< Holy @# & %*! That's 27 lbs. fat loss and 11 lbs. of muscle gain! Great

job!

I wouldn't change much with that much lean muscle gain! When did you start

this program and take those initial stats? If you just started two weeks

ago I would suspect a testing error. If there is a way to repeat those

results with the average person, you could be a billionaire! >>

The first body fat test was about 6 or 7 weeks ago, the next one was my first

day in the challenge 8/14, and the next was about a week later. So I did

lose a lot before my official day one of the challenge, but I am still losing

a lot. I just weighed myself at 224.5. So I am still losing!!! I just do

not see in around my waist darn it. I mean it is smaller, that I can tell

when I put my pants on, but too me it is still fat! Now my legs look

awesome. If you just looked at my legs you would think the rest of me was

just as good. My chest is bigger, and I can start to see my Abs (but that

might just be my imagination) and my arms (biceps) is very big now.

I can see the difference, but I just wish there was a way to lose fat faster

from my waist. The rest of my body is doing great. Any suggestions?

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/31/00 1:41:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< Sounds like you have an ideal attitude for huge results. Don't worry about

the abs thing. The fat comes off first from intra muscular stores and then

a layer at a time from all the subcutaneous stores. You really won't see a

super defined six-pack until below 10 % but it will look much better at the

mid teens. You may want to get your body composition tested every two weeks

to avoid slipping backwards on your lean muscle. If you notice a drop

you'll need to increase your calories.

>>

I did not know that you lose fat from the inside first, and then the out

side. That stinks. I wonder why that is. I need to have a talk with the

creator tonight. LOL

Peace,

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/31/00 1:41:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< Also take another look at the Hussman site http://www.hussman.com/eas to

recalculate your BMR and calorie needs as these can change with substantial

changes to your stats.

>>

it said my BMR is 1879 per day at 225# and 28% body fat

Now I have a question. I do not count my calories. I just eat 3 portioned

meals, and 3 shakes. Is that wrong? I am using the Myoplex Lite, and EAS

told me to bump up to the regular Myoplex, but I stocked up on the lite, so

they said to eat more protein and to ad a scoop of my 100 & whey protein to my

3 shake a day.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/31/00 1:56:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< I use the 90 serving Betagen that has a scoop and calls for three servings

a

day. I usually have two of them in the morning before workouts and one in

the evening. That's why I asked. Sounds like you are on top of it. Kit

:=)

>>

Maybe I will do that too. Is it better to use the bigger portion in the

morning before working out?

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/31/00 3:56:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Shontell@... writes:

<< Welcome! I too, am in Orlando.

Good luck with the program and I'll look forward to talking with you.

Happy training & healthy eating,

Shontell

>>

Hey! What is your e-mail address? Lets chat, OK.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/31/00 9:32:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

BHall@... writes:

<< The more weight/fat you loose the harder it becomes to loose. You may

want

to consider on the days you feel really good back way off on your

carbohydrates to reduce your available glycogen. This will help you

metabolize fat.

>>

I do not eat a great deal of carbs now. I hardly eat any bread, and I

have not had any pasta. I do eat whole wheat pasta and brown rice and

potatoes. I am now 224.5 on a digital scale. I like to weigh myself in

the morning at the same time every day to get a better reading, but I was

in a rush this am, so I just did it now as I was writing you. I still

cannot believe I am still losing. I am not tired during the day, as a

matter of fact, I have stayed up all night with my girlfriend and slept

maybe 3 or 4 hours and still got up and went to the gym.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/31/00 9:03:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CuddilyJay

writes:

<< Since starting BFL, have you stuck to the 6 meals per day plan 100%? I

'm asking because I'm wondering if you can have the same type of results jus

t following the cardio plan, weight lifting plan, and just eating healthy.

... but not following the strict 6-meals per day with the portion outline.

Please let me know what your meal plan is like. Thanks buddy >>

I don't always stick to the 6 meals a day, but most of the time I do. Onl

y 2 or 3 times did I eat bad food when I allowed myself to get to hungry.

But the thing that makes the 6 meals a day mean so much to me is that it

keeps my metabolism going fast, and on top of that drinking a lot of

water. When I eat a regular meal I do use the portion outline.

So I think that it helps more than you know to eat the way the plan

outlines because it keeps your body's metabolism high, and the water helps

you do two things, it help the vitamin and supplements travel through you

r body faster and more completely, as well as help your body process fat.

Bottom line is that this works. So, " If it aint broke, don't fix it "

Peace,

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/31/00 9:03:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CuddilyJay

writes:

<< Please let me know what your meal plan is like >>

I eat 5 to 6 meals a day, sometimes as much as 7. It depends on how long

I am awake. I will eat about ever 3 hours. I will drink a shake for 3

of those meals, which 3 depend on my day. Sometime the first 3 are the

shake, Myoplex.

I also use Betagen 2 times a day, morning and evening. I take CytoVol at

night with a 100% protein shake. I take a multi vitimin and 4 Phen-Free

pills in the morning, and then two sets of 3 later in the day, but never

later than 6pm.

I will eat good food. A portion is about the size of my fist. I will

eat a portion of chicken, or lean ground beef most of the time as I

bought a huge thing of both and froze them into portion size. I will eat

a portion of vegetables, sometime two portions (as I do not think you can

eat too many of them. And a portion of carbs, like a baked potato, or

whole wheat pasta or brown rice. Sometimes I will eat egg whites for brea

k fast after my work out, sometimes a shake. I will make a huge salad with

fat free or lite dressing (I hate the fat free so sometimes I will mix

them) and put a can of tuna (packed in water) on top.

I have not really expermented with cooking fancy meals, my girlfriend

makes great food, so when I eat with her I just eat portion size. I do

not use gravy or butter. I bought a butter powder called Butter Bud's and

that is pretty good on the potatoe, but I eat them plain now most of the

time. After you eat this way for a while, your taste bud's change, and I

have stopped craving the sweats. I rarely eat bread at all, I have not

had regular pasta at all since starting. I do not eat choclate, but I

will say that on my firt " free day " I ate 4 brownies that were made the

night before, in the morning of my free day with a glass of milk. Oh

well.

I think the food plan + the weight training + the cardio is what makes

this work. Take one away, you might get results, but I know that this

works, and it has worked for countless others, so why take what you want,

and leave the rest. This is not a " buffet " LOL. This is about life,

and life abundantly. I have never felt so good, or been at such peace

physically.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/1/00 1:38:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< Enough about steaks, it's making me hungry. Kit

>>

Me too!!!

=)

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

I am glad that Tod told me about the group, you are fantastic.

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/1/00 2:01:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< One of the nice things about being over 200

lbs.

>>

=P

well, I was 224 at the gym today, and I was over 255 about 7 weeks ago now. I

started the program on the 14 by taking my pics. It would be awesome if I

get to 200 and fantastic if I get to 180 or 185. That si where I want to be.

I set my goal to lost 50 pounds in 12 weeks. Maybe I should say I will lost

50 pounds of fat?

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/1/00 2:01:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< Steady at the helm, you're doing great >>

Thanks! Too bad I will not be a " hard body " in time for your trip. I wont

go as I am. Funny thing is, is that my girlfriend and I were going to take a

vacation soon. We are going to stay with my parents this weekend. I really

enrolled my parents in what I eat. Mom cooks great, and she makes the best

food, keeping out the butter, and bread for me. =) It is cool to have

support every place I go. 's youngest always wants some of my shake when

I make them. He is so cute. We all went out to a Japanese steak house after

Church last Sunday and her 12 year old was telling me what was safe to

eat. She is on the cheer leading squad and over the summer she put on 2 or 3

pound (if I only had her problems) and she started a no carb diet. I told he

what I was doing, but she did not want to do the work (I suggested she walk

with me and her Mom at night) Do you know anything about the no carb diet?

Peace+

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/1/00 2:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< It may not matter with powdered creatine.

>>

that is what I take, the powdered. I was told by EAS to stay away from the

Phosphagen for a while as it may impede fat loss. So I wonder when I should

go back on it?

PJ

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/1/00 2:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kit.keyes@... writes:

<< With RiboForce you're supposed to take it right after a weight lifting

session. >>

what is that?

PJ

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "