Guest guest Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 , I take real ginger root and cut off a 2 inch piece. I then cut that into smaller sizes. I boil it for about 10 minutes and drink it warm. It works instantly, try it! Phyllis On 8/2/2012 1:18 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Yes, Phyllis, and probably you are right. That's how I can see it PPI can contribute to a diarrhea -> Diarrhea and hot weather contribute to salt depletion -> Salt depletion causes BP spikes. Can you, please, give me an instruction how to use ginger? Many thanks, Natalia From: Phyllis <phylisrn@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP , I only know about my experience... it did cause spikes in my blood pressure. Phyllis On 8/2/2012 12:41 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Could Proton Pump Inhibitors be a cause of BP spikes? Could they introduce something in BP rise? Thank you, Natalia From: Grim Clarence <lowerbp2@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Grim Clarence <lowerbp2@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP They do not cause C. diff. C diff causes C diff. Clarence Grim MD lowerbp2@... On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Thank you, Phyllis. Is Protonix better? They gave me Protonix in a hospital and I felt better there. What do you do with a heartburn? Many thanks, Natalia From: Phyllis <phylisrn@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP I had a bad hypertensive crisis once. It was the omeprazole. Check this out.. this is how I found out about omeprazole. Also proton pump inhibitors are no good because they interfere with good acid in the stomach. Proton pump inhibitor causes C-diff, which will cause diarrhea. http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19810 & name=prilosec http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22781139 Phyllis On 8/1/2012 5:24 PM, Grim Clarence wrote: One issue is are you salt depleted with the hot weather and the eplerenone? Recommend you take your BP seated and then stand for 1 min with arm supported so the cuff is at heart level and check the BP again. If is drops by more that 20 this suggests that you may be salt depelted and more salt may actually help. Did your BP fall a lot in the hospital as the numbers are if anything low on the record you sent but they may have loaded you up with BP meds. Did they stop or taper the metformin. You were on a lot as I recall. What other meds have been tired for DM? Has your weight been stable during all of this? How they take your BP when it was 230/130. Were you in pain or acutely ill? Clarence Grim MD lowerbp2@... On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Hi Dr. Grim and the group, I again was hospitalized with BP 230/130 and spent five days in the hospital. I don't have yet all medical records from the hospital, but I have Report from MRI without contrast and some blood test results. See the attachment. I also have images from MRI in case if Dr. Grim would like to take a look at them. Please, note, that my blood K was 5.0 and blood Na was 132, pretty much the same as it was a year ago when I was hospitalized with the same symptoms and a very high blood pressure. I really don't know why it happened again and such high BP all of the sudden scares me to death. The reasons that I consider: 1. 4th of July picnic, where I ate much more salty food than usually. But after that I was on my dash for two weeks and felt pretty well. 2. Summer heat. I was hospitalized five times for last two years and it always happened during summer heat. 3. Constant diarrhea over last two months since I overdosed metformin. 4. All the above together!? I am not on any diabetes medications now and my BS is really high, average fasting is 150-160. I also consider to change eplerenone to sipro, since eplerenone also causes diarrhea. Now I feel unstable and my BP varies from 110/65 to 160/100. It's especially high at 8 am and 8 pm, when I also feel very badly. I am on higher dosage of eplerenone and micardis and Dashing very strictly, restricting Na < 700 - 800 mg a day. Many, many thanks. I would appreciate any responses. Natalia Kamneva 68 F with 3.5 cm left adrenal adenoma, diagnosed with PA in 2011; diabetic; on 100 mg eplerenone, 160 mg Micardis, currently not diabetic medication , 20 mg Omeprazol and 3 - 4 mg Lorazepam; Dashing; still have some occasional problems with BP, K and Na; on private consultation with Dr Grim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 You can also add a stick of cinnamon to the boiling water and ginger. A couple cloves also makes a good addition to the tea. Sent from my iPadOn Aug 2, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Phyllis <phylisrn@...> wrote: , I take real ginger root and cut off a 2 inch piece. I then cut that into smaller sizes. I boil it for about 10 minutes and drink it warm. It works instantly, try it! Phyllis On 8/2/2012 1:18 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Yes, Phyllis, and probably you are right. That's how I can see it PPI can contribute to a diarrhea -> Diarrhea and hot weather contribute to salt depletion -> Salt depletion causes BP spikes. Can you, please, give me an instruction how to use ginger? Many thanks, Natalia From: Phyllis <phylisrn@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP , I only know about my experience... it did cause spikes in my blood pressure. Phyllis On 8/2/2012 12:41 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Could Proton Pump Inhibitors be a cause of BP spikes? Could they introduce something in BP rise? Thank you, Natalia From: Grim Clarence <lowerbp2@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Grim Clarence <lowerbp2@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP They do not cause C. diff. C diff causes C diff. Clarence Grim MD lowerbp2@... On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Thank you, Phyllis. Is Protonix better? They gave me Protonix in a hospital and I felt better there. What do you do with a heartburn? Many thanks, Natalia From: Phyllis <phylisrn@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP I had a bad hypertensive crisis once. It was the omeprazole. Check this out.. this is how I found out about omeprazole. Also proton pump inhibitors are no good because they interfere with good acid in the stomach. Proton pump inhibitor causes C-diff, which will cause diarrhea. http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19810 & name=prilosec http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22781139 Phyllis On 8/1/2012 5:24 PM, Grim Clarence wrote: One issue is are you salt depleted with the hot weather and the eplerenone? Recommend you take your BP seated and then stand for 1 min with arm supported so the cuff is at heart level and check the BP again. If is drops by more that 20 this suggests that you may be salt depelted and more salt may actually help. Did your BP fall a lot in the hospital as the numbers are if anything low on the record you sent but they may have loaded you up with BP meds. Did they stop or taper the metformin. You were on a lot as I recall. What other meds have been tired for DM? Has your weight been stable during all of this? How they take your BP when it was 230/130. Were you in pain or acutely ill? Clarence Grim MD lowerbp2@... On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Hi Dr. Grim and the group, I again was hospitalized with BP 230/130 and spent five days in the hospital. I don't have yet all medical records from the hospital, but I have Report from MRI without contrast and some blood test results. See the attachment. I also have images from MRI in case if Dr. Grim would like to take a look at them. Please, note, that my blood K was 5.0 and blood Na was 132, pretty much the same as it was a year ago when I was hospitalized with the same symptoms and a very high blood pressure. I really don't know why it happened again and such high BP all of the sudden scares me to death. The reasons that I consider: 1. 4th of July picnic, where I ate much more salty food than usually. But after that I was on my dash for two weeks and felt pretty well. 2. Summer heat. I was hospitalized five times for last two years and it always happened during summer heat. 3. Constant diarrhea over last two months since I overdosed metformin. 4. All the above together!? I am not on any diabetes medications now and my BS is really high, average fasting is 150-160. I also consider to change eplerenone to sipro, since eplerenone also causes diarrhea. Now I feel unstable and my BP varies from 110/65 to 160/100. It's especially high at 8 am and 8 pm, when I also feel very badly. I am on higher dosage of eplerenone and micardis and Dashing very strictly, restricting Na < 700 - 800 mg a day. Many, many thanks. I would appreciate any responses. Natalia Kamneva 68 F with 3.5 cm left adrenal adenoma, diagnosed with PA in 2011; diabetic; on 100 mg eplerenone, 160 mg Micardis, currently not diabetic medication , 20 mg Omeprazol and 3 - 4 mg Lorazepam; Dashing; still have some occasional problems with BP, K and Na; on private consultation with Dr Grim. = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Works for what? Clarence Grim MD On Aug 2, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Phyllis wrote: , I take real ginger root and cut off a 2 inch piece. I then cut that into smaller sizes. I boil it for about 10 minutes and drink it warm. It works instantly, try it! Phyllis On 8/2/2012 1:18 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Yes, Phyllis, and probably you are right. That's how I can see it PPI can contribute to a diarrhea -> Diarrhea and hot weather contribute to salt depletion -> Salt depletion causes BP spikes. Can you, please, give me an instruction how to use ginger? Many thanks, Natalia From: Phyllis <phylisrn@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP , I only know about my experience... it did cause spikes in my blood pressure. Phyllis On 8/2/2012 12:41 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Could Proton Pump Inhibitors be a cause of BP spikes? Could they introduce something in BP rise? Thank you, Natalia From: Grim Clarence <lowerbp2@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Grim Clarence <lowerbp2@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP They do not cause C. diff. C diff causes C diff. Clarence Grim MD lowerbp2@... On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Thank you, Phyllis. Is Protonix better? They gave me Protonix in a hospital and I felt better there. What do you do with a heartburn? Many thanks, Natalia From: Phyllis <phylisrn@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP I had a bad hypertensive crisis once. It was the omeprazole. Check this out.. this is how I found out about omeprazole. Also proton pump inhibitors are no good because they interfere with good acid in the stomach. Proton pump inhibitor causes C-diff, which will cause diarrhea. http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19810 & name=prilosec http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22781139 Phyllis On 8/1/2012 5:24 PM, Grim Clarence wrote: One issue is are you salt depleted with the hot weather and the eplerenone? Recommend you take your BP seated and then stand for 1 min with arm supported so the cuff is at heart level and check the BP again. If is drops by more that 20 this suggests that you may be salt depelted and more salt may actually help. Did your BP fall a lot in the hospital as the numbers are if anything low on the record you sent but they may have loaded you up with BP meds. Did they stop or taper the metformin. You were on a lot as I recall. What other meds have been tired for DM? Has your weight been stable during all of this? How they take your BP when it was 230/130. Were you in pain or acutely ill? Clarence Grim MD lowerbp2@... On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Hi Dr. Grim and the group, I again was hospitalized with BP 230/130 and spent five days in the hospital. I don't have yet all medical records from the hospital, but I have Report from MRI without contrast and some blood test results. See the attachment. I also have images from MRI in case if Dr. Grim would like to take a look at them. Please, note, that my blood K was 5.0 and blood Na was 132, pretty much the same as it was a year ago when I was hospitalized with the same symptoms and a very high blood pressure. I really don't know why it happened again and such high BP all of the sudden scares me to death. The reasons that I consider: 1. 4th of July picnic, where I ate much more salty food than usually. But after that I was on my dash for two weeks and felt pretty well. 2. Summer heat. I was hospitalized five times for last two years and it always happened during summer heat. 3. Constant diarrhea over last two months since I overdosed metformin. 4. All the above together!? I am not on any diabetes medications now and my BS is really high, average fasting is 150-160. I also consider to change eplerenone to sipro, since eplerenone also causes diarrhea. Now I feel unstable and my BP varies from 110/65 to 160/100. It's especially high at 8 am and 8 pm, when I also feel very badly. I am on higher dosage of eplerenone and micardis and Dashing very strictly, restricting Na < 700 - 800 mg a day. Many, many thanks. I would appreciate any responses. Natalia Kamneva 68 F with 3.5 cm left adrenal adenoma, diagnosed with PA in 2011; diabetic; on 100 mg eplerenone, 160 mg Micardis, currently not diabetic medication , 20 mg Omeprazol and 3 - 4 mg Lorazepam; Dashing; still have some occasional problems with BP, K and Na; on private consultation with Dr Grim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Many thanks, Phyllis.Will try tomorrow. Natalia From: Phyllis <phylisrn@...> hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP/ , I take real ginger root and cut off a 2 inch piece. I then cut that into smaller sizes. I boil it for about 10 minutes and drink it warm. It works instantly, try it! Phyllis On 8/2/2012 1:18 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Yes, Phyllis, and probably you are right. That's how I can see it PPI can contribute to a diarrhea -> Diarrhea and hot weather contribute to salt depletion -> Salt depletion causes BP spikes. Can you, please, give me an instruction how to use ginger? Many thanks, Natalia From: Phyllis <phylisrn@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP , I only know about my experience... it did cause spikes in my blood pressure. Phyllis On 8/2/2012 12:41 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Could Proton Pump Inhibitors be a cause of BP spikes? Could they introduce something in BP rise? Thank you, Natalia From: Grim Clarence <lowerbp2@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Grim Clarence <lowerbp2@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP They do not cause C. diff. C diff causes C diff. Clarence Grim MD lowerbp2@... On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Thank you, Phyllis. Is Protonix better? They gave me Protonix in a hospital and I felt better there. What do you do with a heartburn? Many thanks, Natalia From: Phyllis <phylisrn@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP I had a bad hypertensive crisis once. It was the omeprazole. Check this out.. this is how I found out about omeprazole. Also proton pump inhibitors are no good because they interfere with good acid in the stomach. Proton pump inhibitor causes C-diff, which will cause diarrhea. http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19810 & name=prilosec http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22781139 Phyllis On 8/1/2012 5:24 PM, Grim Clarence wrote: One issue is are you salt depleted with the hot weather and the eplerenone? Recommend you take your BP seated and then stand for 1 min with arm supported so the cuff is at heart level and check the BP again. If is drops by more that 20 this suggests that you may be salt depelted and more salt may actually help. Did your BP fall a lot in the hospital as the numbers are if anything low on the record you sent but they may have loaded you up with BP meds. Did they stop or taper the metformin. You were on a lot as I recall. What other meds have been tired for DM? Has your weight been stable during all of this? How they take your BP when it was 230/130. Were you in pain or acutely ill? Clarence Grim MD lowerbp2@... On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Hi Dr. Grim and the group, I again was hospitalized with BP 230/130 and spent five days in the hospital. I don't have yet all medical records from the hospital, but I have Report from MRI without contrast and some blood test results. See the attachment. I also have images from MRI in case if Dr. Grim would like to take a look at them. Please, note, that my blood K was 5.0 and blood Na was 132, pretty much the same as it was a year ago when I was hospitalized with the same symptoms and a very high blood pressure. I really don't know why it happened again and such high BP all of the sudden scares me to death. The reasons that I consider: 1. 4th of July picnic, where I ate much more salty food than usually. But after that I was on my dash for two weeks and felt pretty well. 2. Summer heat. I was hospitalized five times for last two years and it always happened during summer heat. 3. Constant diarrhea over last two months since I overdosed metformin. 4. All the above together!? I am not on any diabetes medications now and my BS is really high, average fasting is 150-160. I also consider to change eplerenone to sipro, since eplerenone also causes diarrhea. Now I feel unstable and my BP varies from 110/65 to 160/100. It's especially high at 8 am and 8 pm, when I also feel very badly. I am on higher dosage of eplerenone and micardis and Dashing very strictly, restricting Na < 700 - 800 mg a day. Many, many thanks. I would appreciate any responses. Natalia Kamneva 68 F with 3.5 cm left adrenal adenoma, diagnosed with PA in 2011; diabetic; on 100 mg eplerenone, 160 mg Micardis, currently not diabetic medication , 20 mg Omeprazol and 3 - 4 mg Lorazepam; Dashing; still have some occasional problems with BP, K and Na; on private consultation with Dr Grim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Thanks. Will try. Natalia From: "mac.3377@..." <mac.3377@...> "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism > Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP/ You can also add a stick of cinnamon to the boiling water and ginger. A couple cloves also makes a good addition to the tea. Sent from my iPadOn Aug 2, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Phyllis <phylisrn@...> wrote: , I take real ginger root and cut off a 2 inch piece. I then cut that into smaller sizes. I boil it for about 10 minutes and drink it warm. It works instantly, try it! Phyllis On 8/2/2012 1:18 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Yes, Phyllis, and probably you are right. That's how I can see it PPI can contribute to a diarrhea -> Diarrhea and hot weather contribute to salt depletion -> Salt depletion causes BP spikes. Can you, please, give me an instruction how to use ginger? Many thanks, Natalia From: Phyllis <phylisrn@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP , I only know about my experience... it did cause spikes in my blood pressure. Phyllis On 8/2/2012 12:41 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Could Proton Pump Inhibitors be a cause of BP spikes? Could they introduce something in BP rise? Thank you, Natalia From: Grim Clarence <lowerbp2@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Grim Clarence <lowerbp2@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP They do not cause C. diff. C diff causes C diff. Clarence Grim MD lowerbp2@... On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Thank you, Phyllis. Is Protonix better? They gave me Protonix in a hospital and I felt better there. What do you do with a heartburn? Many thanks, Natalia From: Phyllis <phylisrn@...> To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Hospitalized with very high BP I had a bad hypertensive crisis once. It was the omeprazole. Check this out.. this is how I found out about omeprazole. Also proton pump inhibitors are no good because they interfere with good acid in the stomach. Proton pump inhibitor causes C-diff, which will cause diarrhea. http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19810 & name=prilosec http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22781139 Phyllis On 8/1/2012 5:24 PM, Grim Clarence wrote: One issue is are you salt depleted with the hot weather and the eplerenone? Recommend you take your BP seated and then stand for 1 min with arm supported so the cuff is at heart level and check the BP again. If is drops by more that 20 this suggests that you may be salt depelted and more salt may actually help. Did your BP fall a lot in the hospital as the numbers are if anything low on the record you sent but they may have loaded you up with BP meds. Did they stop or taper the metformin. You were on a lot as I recall. What other meds have been tired for DM? Has your weight been stable during all of this? How they take your BP when it was 230/130. Were you in pain or acutely ill? Clarence Grim MD lowerbp2@... On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Natalia Kamneva wrote: Hi Dr. Grim and the group, I again was hospitalized with BP 230/130 and spent five days in the hospital. I don't have yet all medical records from the hospital, but I have Report from MRI without contrast and some blood test results. See the attachment. I also have images from MRI in case if Dr. Grim would like to take a look at them. Please, note, that my blood K was 5.0 and blood Na was 132, pretty much the same as it was a year ago when I was hospitalized with the same symptoms and a very high blood pressure. I really don't know why it happened again and such high BP all of the sudden scares me to death. The reasons that I consider: 1. 4th of July picnic, where I ate much more salty food than usually. But after that I was on my dash for two weeks and felt pretty well. 2. Summer heat. I was hospitalized five times for last two years and it always happened during summer heat. 3. Constant diarrhea over last two months since I overdosed metformin. 4. All the above together!? I am not on any diabetes medications now and my BS is really high, average fasting is 150-160. I also consider to change eplerenone to sipro, since eplerenone also causes diarrhea. Now I feel unstable and my BP varies from 110/65 to 160/100. It's especially high at 8 am and 8 pm, when I also feel very badly. I am on higher dosage of eplerenone and micardis and Dashing very strictly, restricting Na < 700 - 800 mg a day. Many, many thanks. I would appreciate any responses. Natalia Kamneva 68 F with 3.5 cm left adrenal adenoma, diagnosed with PA in 2011; diabetic; on 100 mg eplerenone, 160 mg Micardis, currently not diabetic medication , 20 mg Omeprazol and 3 - 4 mg Lorazepam; Dashing; still have some occasional problems with BP, K and Na; on private consultation with Dr Grim. = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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