Re: Re: Ordering your own tests

[Guest guest]

Charlene,

The price that DLS charges is not three times higher than what a doctor

would pay. And what the doctor pays and what you pay are not necessarily

the same, depending on the state you live.in. Also, what happens when the

doctor won't order the test? Who will take the liability? Why the comment

about " putting themselves under the quise " of helping parents? Do you know

who they are or anything about them? I do and if they are out for the money

they are certainly good at hiding all of it.

Your statement that it isn't covered by insurance by using DLS is false.

That certainly doesn't mean that it will be covered, but please don't say it

won't unless you know for sure. I can vouch that some people have had

coverage using them. If you can find it cheaper, do it. If you can't,

someone like DLS is willing to do the work, and yes it does cost more than

if your doc orders it. They also don't charge for their time, or any other

fees that your doctor charges for.

In health,

Mark Schauss

www.cellmatewellness.com

[ ] Re: Ordering your own tests

> I would like to interject that with Direct Lab Services a parent will

> pay three times the price that a doctor would pay and it isn't covered

> by insurance. If people are going to hold themselves out under the

> guise of caring about giving parents the ability to find out what's

> going on with their child's health one would think they would

> understand the financial restraints many of us are under. I certainly

> have no problem paying for testing, but to charge me three times what

> my doctor would pay seems ridiculous.

>

> Charlene

>

>

> > > > Moria,

> > > >

> > > > There is a way to order just about any test you want without

> your

> > > doctor's

> > > > order. Go to www.healthchoice.net The company is called Direct

> > > Laboratory

> > > > Services and they make it possible for anyone to get just about

> any

> > > test

> > > > they want.

> > > >

> > > > In health,

> > > > Mark Schauss

> > > > www.cellmatewellness.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Charlene,

I work with DLS and I have an alliance with DLS but I receive no

renumeration from them. And the reason for my involvement with them is

because they do provide services for people who need them and can't get

access. The prices reflect a cost of doing business. Your doctor may not

charge for anything extra for doing a test but do you think they are doing

it for nothing? They charge you extra for time they spend or don't spend on

you. The price comes out pretty much the same and probably a lot more.

A major mistatement you made is that the charge for the Ion Report from DLS

is $1600. NOT TRUE. Go to this page -

http://www.healthchoice.net/lab/labtest_menu.html

go down 3/4 of the way down and see that the price they charge is $649, not

$1600! The fees they charge are not 3 times higher than your doctor charges

you. Check the facts before you make the statement.

In many states, there is no law about charging the same price for the blood

test as the lab charges the doctor. It is true in California, but not in

many other states. In New York and New Jersey, the lab has to charge the

patient directly and the fees are 3-4 times higher than elsewhere.

DLS also has a " legitimate MD " sign the requisition form.

[ ] Re: Ordering your own tests

> Mark,

>

> Aren't you directly involved with Direct Lab Services - at least

> that's what it says on your website - so your opinion is not exactly

> unbiased here is it? The website healthchoice.net has the charges for

> services and the prices are far greater then what is normally charged.

> Sometimes it is double the price, sometimes triple.

>

> When I take my children to the doctor I pay the same lab fees that are

> billed to the doctor. Actually, I believe that's the law in most

> states. You cannot increase the fee of lab tests. And no insurance

> company is going to pay $1600 for an Ion Panel from Metametrix when

> the fee is actually $500. I know my insurance company is not going to

> pay for any tests unless a legitimate MD signs the forms.

>

> I just don't understand - what is the point of using a service that

> charges two or three times what my doctor charges? I just think the

> price seems a bit excessive. You can't say they're just out to help

> parents when their fees are so high. I'm also left wondering if there

> are additional fees involved to interpret the test results.

>

> Charlene

>

>

> > > > > > Moria,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is a way to order just about any test you want without

> > > your

> > > > > doctor's

> > > > > > order. Go to www.healthchoice.net The company is called

> Direct

> > > > > Laboratory

> > > > > > Services and they make it possible for anyone to get just

> about

> > > any

> > > > > test

> > > > > > they want.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In health,

> > > > > > Mark Schauss

> > > > > > www.cellmatewellness.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Personally, I was very disappointed in Metametrix, there were

38 values taken from this test, and the Kennedy Krieger, the gold

standard lab in the United States, had 67 values taken including

markers for demyelination. Much more than that, the Kennedy Krieger

lab required that their blood arrive early next morning.

I wrote openly on the DAN list about this and another physican

agreed that the blood would have to examined in this short peroid

of time for it to be accurate. I paid $325 for my red cell fatty acid

test and interpretation that my insurance company paid for

because it was from s Hopkins. The Direct Lab services

from the website says below that the Metametrix test with the

'BioReport' is $475. The actual lab cost of the red cell fatty acid

test from Metametrix is $175 according to my doctor. Direct

Lab Services is much high ($229 for doctors, $290 for patients).

Cost is one thing, but going through the blood draw with my

son, and not being satisfied that the results were accurate is

an entirely different thing. Best, Forrest's Mom

The following tests and prices are available only to HealthCare

Professionals

Consumer Direct Pricing is on the HealthChoice Menu of Tests

>From the Direct Lab Services Website--

This partial list is available for your convenience.

We can provide virtually any test for the assessment of wellness.

We do not provide tests for the diagnosis or treatment of disease.

Call to request anything you do not see listed.

Bill to Professional (HCP) (health care professional)

CWP + Cell-Mate Report (This means comphrehensive wellness panel or

general blood chemistry with Mark Schauss' interpretation) The real

cost of this is $99 to doctors.

#1002 $120.00

#1003 $169.00

#2001 $359.00

Northern California

$149.00

$189.00

$359.00

ION Report from Metametrix- All Areas

$559.00

Test #

Test Description

Retail Price

DLS Price

General

CWP

Comprehensive Wellness Panel (CWP)

$290-375

$89

Bronze

Customized Nutrients Analysis3 - Urine

$229

$ 79.95

Silver

CWP with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

$530

$189

Gold

CWP/Urinalysis + #11 Amino with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss

interpretation)

$785+

$376

Gold Plus

CWP/UA + #10 Amino + HAQ with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

900+

495

Metabolic Panels

Retail Price

DLS Price

10

Amino Acids - 40 Plasma (Actual cost from Metametrix is $175)

$320 Patient price

$249 Doctor price

11

Amino Acids - 20 Plasma

$273

$197

12

Amino Acids - 40 Urine

$320

$249

3002*

Amino Acids (40) Analysis with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

$500

$339

40

Fatty Acids - 34 Plasma

290

229

41

Fatty Acids - RBC Membrane

290

229

2001*

RBC Fatty Acids Analysis with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

$475 Patient price

$329 Doctor price

91

Organic Acids - Urine

$398 Patient Price

$249 Doctor Price

301

Standard Detoxification Profile

$119

302

Comprehensive Detoxification Profile

$179

Allergy/Antibody Panels IgE & IgG

Retail Price

DLS Price

701

Standard Panel: 96 General Foods

$326

$187

702

Standard Panel: 96 Vegetarian Foods

$326

$187

703

Comprehensive Panel:

96 Gen Foods/48 Inhalants

$440

$269

704

Comprehensive Panel:

96 Veg Foods/48 Inhalants

$440

$269

705

Expanded Panel: 96 Gen Foods/24 Spices

$440

$269

706

Expanded Panel: 96 Veg Foods/24 Spices

$440

$269

707

Inhalant Panel: 48 Antigens

$200

$156

75

IgG1+G4 Food Reactive Panel: 90 Antigens

$310

$197

Element (Mineral) Panels - Nutrient & Toxic

Retail Price

DLS Price

420

Element - Hair

$125

$79

22

Element - Erythrocyte (Red Blood Cell)

$275

$169

421

Heavy Metals - Fecal

$178

$139

423

Urine Toxic Metals & Essential Elements

$198

$149

26

Element - Whole Blood Toxics

$289

$169

Special Combination Panels

90*

ION (Individualized Optimal Nutrition) Panel (Real price is $500 from

Metametrix)

$1645 Patient Price

$ 649 Doctor Price

Includes tests 11, 22, 33, 41, 51, 91, 92

(110 analytes) - Blood and Urine Specimens

Platinum Custom designed programs from

676

E-mail for pricing on other combinations

Pricing/Payment Information

No billing - all tests prepaid

Credit cards and prepayment by check accepted

Fax requisitions sent for next day draw - $25

Insurance forms supplied for additional fee of $15 (how can this be

filed

without a diagnosis and a doctor?)

Standard shipping charges included in price of test

No Medicare, Medicaid or Worker's Comp billing

Insurance forms not supplied for Special Combination Panels

Additional Charges

Draw fees vary depending upon test ($12-$50)

Most prices include draw fees under normal circumstances.

We charge for discarded or misplaced kits. Restocking fee on cancelled

tests.

Kit fees vary depending upon test ($5-$25) - Kit fees applied to

purchase

Submittal of unacceptable urine or saliva specimen ($25)

STAT requests ($45 per panel, $75-$100 for Special Combination Panels)

Modification of Airbill (such as insurance or Saturday delivery)

[Guest guest]

,

Your statement about the cost from DLS for the Red Cell Fatty Acid report is

wrong, again. The cost is $329 with BioReport. Second, so what if a lab

reports 67 vaules when 25 of them have no reported meaning. On top of it,

the method that Kennedy Krieger uses while years ago was the " gold standard "

no longer is. The percentage method they use is liable to make major errors

in interpretation is any of the minor fats, without meaning are abnormally

high. The cost to the doc and the patient is $229, not $290. Come on, lets

be accurate.

In health,

Mark Schauss

www.cellmatewellness.com

Re: [ ] Re: Ordering your own tests

> Personally, I was very disappointed in Metametrix, there were

> 38 values taken from this test, and the Kennedy Krieger, the gold

> standard lab in the United States, had 67 values taken including

> markers for demyelination. Much more than that, the Kennedy Krieger

> lab required that their blood arrive early next morning.

> I wrote openly on the DAN list about this and another physican

> agreed that the blood would have to examined in this short peroid

> of time for it to be accurate. I paid $325 for my red cell fatty acid

> test and interpretation that my insurance company paid for

> because it was from s Hopkins. The Direct Lab services

> from the website says below that the Metametrix test with the

> 'BioReport' is $475. The actual lab cost of the red cell fatty acid

> test from Metametrix is $175 according to my doctor. Direct

> Lab Services is much high ($229 for doctors, $290 for patients).

> Cost is one thing, but going through the blood draw with my

> son, and not being satisfied that the results were accurate is

> an entirely different thing. Best, Forrest's Mom

>

>

> The following tests and prices are available only to HealthCare

> Professionals

> Consumer Direct Pricing is on the HealthChoice Menu of Tests

> >From the Direct Lab Services Website--

>

> This partial list is available for your convenience.

> We can provide virtually any test for the assessment of wellness.

> We do not provide tests for the diagnosis or treatment of disease.

> Call to request anything you do not see listed.

>

> Bill to Professional (HCP) (health care professional)

>

> CWP + Cell-Mate Report (This means comphrehensive wellness panel or

> general blood chemistry with Mark Schauss' interpretation) The real

> cost of this is $99 to doctors.

>

> #1002 $120.00

> #1003 $169.00

> #2001 $359.00

>

>

> Northern California

> $149.00

> $189.00

> $359.00

>

>

> ION Report from Metametrix- All Areas

> $559.00

>

>

> Test #

> Test Description

> Retail Price

> DLS Price

>

> General

> CWP

> Comprehensive Wellness Panel (CWP)

> $290-375

> $89

>

> Bronze

> Customized Nutrients Analysis3 - Urine

> $229

> $ 79.95

>

> Silver

> CWP with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

> $530

> $189

>

> Gold

> CWP/Urinalysis + #11 Amino with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss

> interpretation)

> $785+

> $376

>

> Gold Plus

> CWP/UA + #10 Amino + HAQ with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

> 900+

> 495

>

> Metabolic Panels

> Retail Price

> DLS Price

>

>

> 10

> Amino Acids - 40 Plasma (Actual cost from Metametrix is $175)

> $320 Patient price

> $249 Doctor price

>

> 11

> Amino Acids - 20 Plasma

> $273

> $197

>

> 12

> Amino Acids - 40 Urine

> $320

> $249

>

> 3002*

> Amino Acids (40) Analysis with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

> $500

> $339

>

> 40

> Fatty Acids - 34 Plasma

> 290

> 229

>

> 41

> Fatty Acids - RBC Membrane

> 290

> 229

>

> 2001*

> RBC Fatty Acids Analysis with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

> $475 Patient price

> $329 Doctor price

>

> 91

> Organic Acids - Urine

> $398 Patient Price

> $249 Doctor Price

>

> 301

> Standard Detoxification Profile

> $119

>

> 302

> Comprehensive Detoxification Profile

> $179

>

> Allergy/Antibody Panels IgE & IgG

> Retail Price

> DLS Price

>

>

> 701

> Standard Panel: 96 General Foods

> $326

> $187

>

> 702

> Standard Panel: 96 Vegetarian Foods

> $326

> $187

>

> 703

> Comprehensive Panel:

> 96 Gen Foods/48 Inhalants

> $440

> $269

>

> 704

> Comprehensive Panel:

> 96 Veg Foods/48 Inhalants

> $440

> $269

>

> 705

> Expanded Panel: 96 Gen Foods/24 Spices

> $440

> $269

>

> 706

> Expanded Panel: 96 Veg Foods/24 Spices

> $440

> $269

>

> 707

> Inhalant Panel: 48 Antigens

> $200

> $156

>

>

> 75

> IgG1+G4 Food Reactive Panel: 90 Antigens

> $310

> $197

>

> Element (Mineral) Panels - Nutrient & Toxic

> Retail Price

> DLS Price

>

>

> 420

> Element - Hair

> $125

> $79

>

> 22

> Element - Erythrocyte (Red Blood Cell)

> $275

> $169

>

> 421

> Heavy Metals - Fecal

> $178

> $139

>

> 423

> Urine Toxic Metals & Essential Elements

> $198

> $149

>

> 26

> Element - Whole Blood Toxics

> $289

> $169

>

>

> Special Combination Panels

>

> 90*

> ION (Individualized Optimal Nutrition) Panel (Real price is $500 from

> Metametrix)

> $1645 Patient Price

> $ 649 Doctor Price

>

> Includes tests 11, 22, 33, 41, 51, 91, 92

>

> (110 analytes) - Blood and Urine Specimens

>

> Platinum Custom designed programs from

> 676

>

> E-mail for pricing on other combinations

> Pricing/Payment Information

>

>

> No billing - all tests prepaid

>

> Credit cards and prepayment by check accepted

>

> Fax requisitions sent for next day draw - $25

>

> Insurance forms supplied for additional fee of $15 (how can this be

> filed

> without a diagnosis and a doctor?)

>

> Standard shipping charges included in price of test

>

> No Medicare, Medicaid or Worker's Comp billing

>

> Insurance forms not supplied for Special Combination Panels

>

>

> Additional Charges

>

>

> Draw fees vary depending upon test ($12-$50)

>

> Most prices include draw fees under normal circumstances.

>

> We charge for discarded or misplaced kits. Restocking fee on cancelled

> tests.

>

> Kit fees vary depending upon test ($5-$25) - Kit fees applied to

> purchase

>

> Submittal of unacceptable urine or saliva specimen ($25)

>

> STAT requests ($45 per panel, $75-$100 for Special Combination Panels)

>

> Modification of Airbill (such as insurance or Saturday delivery)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mark, I am confused because DLS website says the doctor cost is $229,

and $290 for the test without your interpretation.

If the cost is $329 then why does DLS list the cost as $475 to the

patient on their website?

There is a big difference between these laboratories;

Metametrix is a commercial lab.

Kennedy Krieger is a research lab.

Individually the fatty acids might not all have meaning,

however, they do when they are categorized and balanced

(omega-3, omega-6, monounsaturated, saturated,

very long chains,odd chain, and trans). The MM report

didn't provide enough information about all the fatty acids

that were in those categories to make it useful.

For example, I was only given two values for trans fats, one

was negative and the other was positive, so they canceled each

other out, however on the KK report, there were five trans fats

reported that showed a complete picture of trans fats. The more

values that you have the clearer the picture for the basic

categories.

The values for demeylination were the most important information

for us on the KK test. After having an MRI, that only told us that

demyelination was delayed, knowing the stability of the myelin

became critical information.

I have a friend with a daughter with adrenoleukodystrophy and

we compared KK testing. According to the MRI, our children looked

frightfully similar, but not on our KK report. There was nothing

on the MM report that could have given me this information and

it was the reason why I had run the MM report in the first place,

that was largely my disappointment.

I placed the KK and MM report side by side, anyone could see

that the KK lab, was far more complex. And the medical

interpretation that Dr. Kane wrote for the KK lab is not only

accepted by regular doctors, but is now being used in

research and universities.

Once Dr.Kane had the raw data, that is what gave the report

the utmost significance, Dr.Kane has run over 700 fatty acid

tests on autistic children. If there was something usual about

my son's tests, she would certainly be someone who would know

what to do.

As far as " doctor's charges " go, one only should have to pay

for what they need. If it is an hour consultation, the patient

should only be charged that one hour. My physician only charges,

on the average of 30 or 40 dollars an hour, and that is covered

by our insurance and our medicaid. Didn't you say that the

physician charges $200 for a consult? Will insurance cover all

of that?

I wish you could tell us more about your services. What each

charge means, because there were no other Bodybio charges, none

for the kit, none for the blood draw, not that I was billed.

I would like to know of recoveries, if there are parents on-line

that have had success with this treatment?

Actually, Bodybio doesn't publish such reports either, I think

most parents learn of their services through other parents or families

that have gone through the treatment.

I probably needed to consult with my physician more than what I did,

others could keep the cost of the treatment down of not having to go

back for all kinds of little questions, if they had help.

I had started Bodybio a couple of weeks before Charlene, and we

ended up helping each other, with all of the trivial questions.

I certainly would help any parent that needed it, if they were

using the Bodybio treatment. And I don't charge! It is rewarding

enough in itself.

Best, Forrest's Mom

PS I started a list for this very reason, there is always plenty

of help there.

Mark Schauss wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Your statement about the cost from DLS for the Red Cell Fatty Acid report is

> wrong, again. The cost is $329 with BioReport. Second, so what if a lab

> reports 67 vaules when 25 of them have no reported meaning. On top of it,

> the method that Kennedy Krieger uses while years ago was the " gold standard "

> no longer is. The percentage method they use is liable to make major errors

> in interpretation is any of the minor fats, without meaning are abnormally

> high. The cost to the doc and the patient is $229, not $290. Come on, lets

> be accurate.

>

> In health,

> Mark Schauss

> www.cellmatewellness.com

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Ordering your own tests

>

> > Personally, I was very disappointed in Metametrix, there were

> > 38 values taken from this test, and the Kennedy Krieger, the gold

> > standard lab in the United States, had 67 values taken including

> > markers for demyelination. Much more than that, the Kennedy Krieger

> > lab required that their blood arrive early next morning.

> > I wrote openly on the DAN list about this and another physican

> > agreed that the blood would have to examined in this short peroid

> > of time for it to be accurate. I paid $325 for my red cell fatty acid

> > test and interpretation that my insurance company paid for

> > because it was from s Hopkins. The Direct Lab services

> > from the website says below that the Metametrix test with the

> > 'BioReport' is $475. The actual lab cost of the red cell fatty acid

> > test from Metametrix is $175 according to my doctor. Direct

> > Lab Services is much high ($229 for doctors, $290 for patients).

> > Cost is one thing, but going through the blood draw with my

> > son, and not being satisfied that the results were accurate is

> > an entirely different thing. Best, Forrest's Mom

> >

> >

> > The following tests and prices are available only to HealthCare

> > Professionals

> > Consumer Direct Pricing is on the HealthChoice Menu of Tests

> > >From the Direct Lab Services Website--

> >

> > This partial list is available for your convenience.

> > We can provide virtually any test for the assessment of wellness.

> > We do not provide tests for the diagnosis or treatment of disease.

> > Call to request anything you do not see listed.

> >

> > Bill to Professional (HCP) (health care professional)

> >

> > CWP + Cell-Mate Report (This means comphrehensive wellness panel or

> > general blood chemistry with Mark Schauss' interpretation) The real

> > cost of this is $99 to doctors.

> >

> > #1002 $120.00

> > #1003 $169.00

> > #2001 $359.00

> >

> >

> > Northern California

> > $149.00

> > $189.00

> > $359.00

> >

> >

> > ION Report from Metametrix- All Areas

> > $559.00

> >

> >

> > Test #

> > Test Description

> > Retail Price

> > DLS Price

> >

> > General

> > CWP

> > Comprehensive Wellness Panel (CWP)

> > $290-375

> > $89

> >

> > Bronze

> > Customized Nutrients Analysis3 - Urine

> > $229

> > $ 79.95

> >

> > Silver

> > CWP with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

> > $530

> > $189

> >

> > Gold

> > CWP/Urinalysis + #11 Amino with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss

> > interpretation)

> > $785+

> > $376

> >

> > Gold Plus

> > CWP/UA + #10 Amino + HAQ with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

> > 900+

> > 495

> >

> > Metabolic Panels

> > Retail Price

> > DLS Price

> >

> >

> > 10

> > Amino Acids - 40 Plasma (Actual cost from Metametrix is $175)

> > $320 Patient price

> > $249 Doctor price

> >

> > 11

> > Amino Acids - 20 Plasma

> > $273

> > $197

> >

> > 12

> > Amino Acids - 40 Urine

> > $320

> > $249

> >

> > 3002*

> > Amino Acids (40) Analysis with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

> > $500

> > $339

> >

> > 40

> > Fatty Acids - 34 Plasma

> > 290

> > 229

> >

> > 41

> > Fatty Acids - RBC Membrane

> > 290

> > 229

> >

> > 2001*

> > RBC Fatty Acids Analysis with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

> > $475 Patient price

> > $329 Doctor price

> >

> > 91

> > Organic Acids - Urine

> > $398 Patient Price

> > $249 Doctor Price

> >

> > 301

> > Standard Detoxification Profile

> > $119

> >

> > 302

> > Comprehensive Detoxification Profile

> > $179

> >

> > Allergy/Antibody Panels IgE & IgG

> > Retail Price

> > DLS Price

> >

> >

> > 701

> > Standard Panel: 96 General Foods

> > $326

> > $187

> >

> > 702

> > Standard Panel: 96 Vegetarian Foods

> > $326

> > $187

> >

> > 703

> > Comprehensive Panel:

> > 96 Gen Foods/48 Inhalants

> > $440

> > $269

> >

> > 704

> > Comprehensive Panel:

> > 96 Veg Foods/48 Inhalants

> > $440

> > $269

> >

> > 705

> > Expanded Panel: 96 Gen Foods/24 Spices

> > $440

> > $269

> >

> > 706

> > Expanded Panel: 96 Veg Foods/24 Spices

> > $440

> > $269

> >

> > 707

> > Inhalant Panel: 48 Antigens

> > $200

> > $156

> >

> >

> > 75

> > IgG1+G4 Food Reactive Panel: 90 Antigens

> > $310

> > $197

> >

> > Element (Mineral) Panels - Nutrient & Toxic

> > Retail Price

> > DLS Price

> >

> >

> > 420

> > Element - Hair

> > $125

> > $79

> >

> > 22

> > Element - Erythrocyte (Red Blood Cell)

> > $275

> > $169

> >

> > 421

> > Heavy Metals - Fecal

> > $178

> > $139

> >

> > 423

> > Urine Toxic Metals & Essential Elements

> > $198

> > $149

> >

> > 26

> > Element - Whole Blood Toxics

> > $289

> > $169

> >

> >

> > Special Combination Panels

> >

> > 90*

> > ION (Individualized Optimal Nutrition) Panel (Real price is $500 from

> > Metametrix)

> > $1645 Patient Price

> > $ 649 Doctor Price

> >

> > Includes tests 11, 22, 33, 41, 51, 91, 92

> >

> > (110 analytes) - Blood and Urine Specimens

> >

> > Platinum Custom designed programs from

> > 676

> >

> > E-mail for pricing on other combinations

> > Pricing/Payment Information

> >

> >

> > No billing - all tests prepaid

> >

> > Credit cards and prepayment by check accepted

> >

> > Fax requisitions sent for next day draw - $25

> >

> > Insurance forms supplied for additional fee of $15 (how can this be

> > filed

> > without a diagnosis and a doctor?)

> >

> > Standard shipping charges included in price of test

> >

> > No Medicare, Medicaid or Worker's Comp billing

> >

> > Insurance forms not supplied for Special Combination Panels

> >

> >

> > Additional Charges

> >

> >

> > Draw fees vary depending upon test ($12-$50)

> >

> > Most prices include draw fees under normal circumstances.

> >

> > We charge for discarded or misplaced kits. Restocking fee on cancelled

> > tests.

> >

> > Kit fees vary depending upon test ($5-$25) - Kit fees applied to

> > purchase

> >

> > Submittal of unacceptable urine or saliva specimen ($25)

> >

> > STAT requests ($45 per panel, $75-$100 for Special Combination Panels)

> >

> > Modification of Airbill (such as insurance or Saturday delivery)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Couple of things. Read the website carefully and you wouldn't be so

confused. Secondly, what does it matter if a lab is commercial or research?

Being a research lab does not make one any better or worse. The reports you

talk about and the bunching of elements in categories is not clinically

valuable. You can rant on and on about it but it doesn't make it so.

Having more values doesn't always make things clearer. Often times it can

make things more muddled and present an incorrect picture. I won't comment

on BodyBio, it isn't worth my effort.

Mark Schauss

Re: [ ] Re: Ordering your own tests

> >

> > > Personally, I was very disappointed in Metametrix, there were

> > > 38 values taken from this test, and the Kennedy Krieger, the gold

> > > standard lab in the United States, had 67 values taken including

> > > markers for demyelination. Much more than that, the Kennedy Krieger

> > > lab required that their blood arrive early next morning.

> > > I wrote openly on the DAN list about this and another physican

> > > agreed that the blood would have to examined in this short peroid

> > > of time for it to be accurate. I paid $325 for my red cell fatty acid

> > > test and interpretation that my insurance company paid for

> > > because it was from s Hopkins. The Direct Lab services

> > > from the website says below that the Metametrix test with the

> > > 'BioReport' is $475. The actual lab cost of the red cell fatty acid

> > > test from Metametrix is $175 according to my doctor. Direct

> > > Lab Services is much high ($229 for doctors, $290 for patients).

> > > Cost is one thing, but going through the blood draw with my

> > > son, and not being satisfied that the results were accurate is

> > > an entirely different thing. Best, Forrest's Mom

> > >

> > >

> > > The following tests and prices are available only to HealthCare

> > > Professionals

> > > Consumer Direct Pricing is on the HealthChoice Menu of Tests

> > > >From the Direct Lab Services Website--

> > >

> > > This partial list is available for your convenience.

> > > We can provide virtually any test for the assessment of wellness.

> > > We do not provide tests for the diagnosis or treatment of disease.

> > > Call to request anything you do not see listed.

> > >

> > > Bill to Professional (HCP) (health care professional)

> > >

> > > CWP + Cell-Mate Report (This means comphrehensive wellness panel or

> > > general blood chemistry with Mark Schauss' interpretation) The real

> > > cost of this is $99 to doctors.

> > >

> > > #1002 $120.00

> > > #1003 $169.00

> > > #2001 $359.00

> > >

> > >

> > > Northern California

> > > $149.00

> > > $189.00

> > > $359.00

> > >

> > >

> > > ION Report from Metametrix- All Areas

> > > $559.00

> > >

> > >

> > > Test #

> > > Test Description

> > > Retail Price

> > > DLS Price

> > >

> > > General

> > > CWP

> > > Comprehensive Wellness Panel (CWP)

> > > $290-375

> > > $89

> > >

> > > Bronze

> > > Customized Nutrients Analysis3 - Urine

> > > $229

> > > $ 79.95

> > >

> > > Silver

> > > CWP with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

> > > $530

> > > $189

> > >

> > > Gold

> > > CWP/Urinalysis + #11 Amino with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss

> > > interpretation)

> > > $785+

> > > $376

> > >

> > > Gold Plus

> > > CWP/UA + #10 Amino + HAQ with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss

interpretation)

> > > 900+

> > > 495

> > >

> > > Metabolic Panels

> > > Retail Price

> > > DLS Price

> > >

> > >

> > > 10

> > > Amino Acids - 40 Plasma (Actual cost from Metametrix is $175)

> > > $320 Patient price

> > > $249 Doctor price

> > >

> > > 11

> > > Amino Acids - 20 Plasma

> > > $273

> > > $197

> > >

> > > 12

> > > Amino Acids - 40 Urine

> > > $320

> > > $249

> > >

> > > 3002*

> > > Amino Acids (40) Analysis with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss

interpretation)

> > > $500

> > > $339

> > >

> > > 40

> > > Fatty Acids - 34 Plasma

> > > 290

> > > 229

> > >

> > > 41

> > > Fatty Acids - RBC Membrane

> > > 290

> > > 229

> > >

> > > 2001*

> > > RBC Fatty Acids Analysis with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss

interpretation)

> > > $475 Patient price

> > > $329 Doctor price

> > >

> > > 91

> > > Organic Acids - Urine

> > > $398 Patient Price

> > > $249 Doctor Price

> > >

> > > 301

> > > Standard Detoxification Profile

> > > $119

> > >

> > > 302

> > > Comprehensive Detoxification Profile

> > > $179

> > >

> > > Allergy/Antibody Panels IgE & IgG

> > > Retail Price

> > > DLS Price

> > >

> > >

> > > 701

> > > Standard Panel: 96 General Foods

> > > $326

> > > $187

> > >

> > > 702

> > > Standard Panel: 96 Vegetarian Foods

> > > $326

> > > $187

> > >

> > > 703

> > > Comprehensive Panel:

> > > 96 Gen Foods/48 Inhalants

> > > $440

> > > $269

> > >

> > > 704

> > > Comprehensive Panel:

> > > 96 Veg Foods/48 Inhalants

> > > $440

> > > $269

> > >

> > > 705

> > > Expanded Panel: 96 Gen Foods/24 Spices

> > > $440

> > > $269

> > >

> > > 706

> > > Expanded Panel: 96 Veg Foods/24 Spices

> > > $440

> > > $269

> > >

> > > 707

> > > Inhalant Panel: 48 Antigens

> > > $200

> > > $156

> > >

> > >

> > > 75

> > > IgG1+G4 Food Reactive Panel: 90 Antigens

> > > $310

> > > $197

> > >

> > > Element (Mineral) Panels - Nutrient & Toxic

> > > Retail Price

> > > DLS Price

> > >

> > >

> > > 420

> > > Element - Hair

> > > $125

> > > $79

> > >

> > > 22

> > > Element - Erythrocyte (Red Blood Cell)

> > > $275

> > > $169

> > >

> > > 421

> > > Heavy Metals - Fecal

> > > $178

> > > $139

> > >

> > > 423

> > > Urine Toxic Metals & Essential Elements

> > > $198

> > > $149

> > >

> > > 26

> > > Element - Whole Blood Toxics

> > > $289

> > > $169

> > >

> > >

> > > Special Combination Panels

> > >

> > > 90*

> > > ION (Individualized Optimal Nutrition) Panel (Real price is $500 from

> > > Metametrix)

> > > $1645 Patient Price

> > > $ 649 Doctor Price

> > >

> > > Includes tests 11, 22, 33, 41, 51, 91, 92

> > >

> > > (110 analytes) - Blood and Urine Specimens

> > >

> > > Platinum Custom designed programs from

> > > 676

> > >

> > > E-mail for pricing on other combinations

> > > Pricing/Payment Information

> > >

> > >

> > > No billing - all tests prepaid

> > >

> > > Credit cards and prepayment by check accepted

> > >

> > > Fax requisitions sent for next day draw - $25

> > >

> > > Insurance forms supplied for additional fee of $15 (how can this be

> > > filed

> > > without a diagnosis and a doctor?)

> > >

> > > Standard shipping charges included in price of test

> > >

> > > No Medicare, Medicaid or Worker's Comp billing

> > >

> > > Insurance forms not supplied for Special Combination Panels

> > >

> > >

> > > Additional Charges

> > >

> > >

> > > Draw fees vary depending upon test ($12-$50)

> > >

> > > Most prices include draw fees under normal circumstances.

> > >

> > > We charge for discarded or misplaced kits. Restocking fee on

cancelled

> > > tests.

> > >

> > > Kit fees vary depending upon test ($5-$25) - Kit fees applied to

> > > purchase

> > >

> > > Submittal of unacceptable urine or saliva specimen ($25)

> > >

> > > STAT requests ($45 per panel, $75-$100 for Special Combination

Panels)

> > >

> > > Modification of Airbill (such as insurance or Saturday delivery)

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Mark, I am sorry, my intentions were not to offend you, but to

have everyone learn more about your services, wasn't it one of

the presidential candidates that said, you didn't have to

get spiffy! <smile> Best, Forrest's Mom

Mark Schauss wrote:

>

> Couple of things. Read the website carefully and you wouldn't be so

> confused. Secondly, what does it matter if a lab is commercial or research?

> Being a research lab does not make one any better or worse. The reports you

> talk about and the bunching of elements in categories is not clinically

> valuable. You can rant on and on about it but it doesn't make it so.

> Having more values doesn't always make things clearer. Often times it can

> make things more muddled and present an incorrect picture. I won't comment

> on BodyBio, it isn't worth my effort.

>

> Mark Schauss

> Re: [ ] Re: Ordering your own tests

> > >

> > > > Personally, I was very disappointed in Metametrix, there were

> > > > 38 values taken from this test, and the Kennedy Krieger, the gold

> > > > standard lab in the United States, had 67 values taken including

> > > > markers for demyelination. Much more than that, the Kennedy Krieger

> > > > lab required that their blood arrive early next morning.

> > > > I wrote openly on the DAN list about this and another physican

> > > > agreed that the blood would have to examined in this short peroid

> > > > of time for it to be accurate. I paid $325 for my red cell fatty acid

> > > > test and interpretation that my insurance company paid for

> > > > because it was from s Hopkins. The Direct Lab services

> > > > from the website says below that the Metametrix test with the

> > > > 'BioReport' is $475. The actual lab cost of the red cell fatty acid

> > > > test from Metametrix is $175 according to my doctor. Direct

> > > > Lab Services is much high ($229 for doctors, $290 for patients).

> > > > Cost is one thing, but going through the blood draw with my

> > > > son, and not being satisfied that the results were accurate is

> > > > an entirely different thing. Best, Forrest's Mom

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The following tests and prices are available only to HealthCare

> > > > Professionals

> > > > Consumer Direct Pricing is on the HealthChoice Menu of Tests

> > > > >From the Direct Lab Services Website--

> > > >

> > > > This partial list is available for your convenience.

> > > > We can provide virtually any test for the assessment of wellness.

> > > > We do not provide tests for the diagnosis or treatment of disease.

> > > > Call to request anything you do not see listed.

> > > >

> > > > Bill to Professional (HCP) (health care professional)

> > > >

> > > > CWP + Cell-Mate Report (This means comphrehensive wellness panel or

> > > > general blood chemistry with Mark Schauss' interpretation) The real

> > > > cost of this is $99 to doctors.

> > > >

> > > > #1002 $120.00

> > > > #1003 $169.00

> > > > #2001 $359.00

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Northern California

> > > > $149.00

> > > > $189.00

> > > > $359.00

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ION Report from Metametrix- All Areas

> > > > $559.00

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Test #

> > > > Test Description

> > > > Retail Price

> > > > DLS Price

> > > >

> > > > General

> > > > CWP

> > > > Comprehensive Wellness Panel (CWP)

> > > > $290-375

> > > > $89

> > > >

> > > > Bronze

> > > > Customized Nutrients Analysis3 - Urine

> > > > $229

> > > > $ 79.95

> > > >

> > > > Silver

> > > > CWP with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss interpretation)

> > > > $530

> > > > $189

> > > >

> > > > Gold

> > > > CWP/Urinalysis + #11 Amino with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss

> > > > interpretation)

> > > > $785+

> > > > $376

> > > >

> > > > Gold Plus

> > > > CWP/UA + #10 Amino + HAQ with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss

> interpretation)

> > > > 900+

> > > > 495

> > > >

> > > > Metabolic Panels

> > > > Retail Price

> > > > DLS Price

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 10

> > > > Amino Acids - 40 Plasma (Actual cost from Metametrix is $175)

> > > > $320 Patient price

> > > > $249 Doctor price

> > > >

> > > > 11

> > > > Amino Acids - 20 Plasma

> > > > $273

> > > > $197

> > > >

> > > > 12

> > > > Amino Acids - 40 Urine

> > > > $320

> > > > $249

> > > >

> > > > 3002*

> > > > Amino Acids (40) Analysis with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss

> interpretation)

> > > > $500

> > > > $339

> > > >

> > > > 40

> > > > Fatty Acids - 34 Plasma

> > > > 290

> > > > 229

> > > >

> > > > 41

> > > > Fatty Acids - RBC Membrane

> > > > 290

> > > > 229

> > > >

> > > > 2001*

> > > > RBC Fatty Acids Analysis with BioReport1 (Mark Schauss

> interpretation)

> > > > $475 Patient price

> > > > $329 Doctor price

> > > >

> > > > 91

> > > > Organic Acids - Urine

> > > > $398 Patient Price

> > > > $249 Doctor Price

> > > >

> > > > 301

> > > > Standard Detoxification Profile

> > > > $119

> > > >

> > > > 302

> > > > Comprehensive Detoxification Profile

> > > > $179

> > > >

> > > > Allergy/Antibody Panels IgE & IgG

> > > > Retail Price

> > > > DLS Price

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 701

> > > > Standard Panel: 96 General Foods

> > > > $326

> > > > $187

> > > >

> > > > 702

> > > > Standard Panel: 96 Vegetarian Foods

> > > > $326

> > > > $187

> > > >

> > > > 703

> > > > Comprehensive Panel:

> > > > 96 Gen Foods/48 Inhalants

> > > > $440

> > > > $269

> > > >

> > > > 704

> > > > Comprehensive Panel:

> > > > 96 Veg Foods/48 Inhalants

> > > > $440

> > > > $269

> > > >

> > > > 705

> > > > Expanded Panel: 96 Gen Foods/24 Spices

> > > > $440

> > > > $269

> > > >

> > > > 706

> > > > Expanded Panel: 96 Veg Foods/24 Spices

> > > > $440

> > > > $269

> > > >

> > > > 707

> > > > Inhalant Panel: 48 Antigens

> > > > $200

> > > > $156

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 75

> > > > IgG1+G4 Food Reactive Panel: 90 Antigens

> > > > $310

> > > > $197

> > > >

> > > > Element (Mineral) Panels - Nutrient & Toxic

> > > > Retail Price

> > > > DLS Price

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 420

> > > > Element - Hair

> > > > $125

> > > > $79

> > > >

> > > > 22

> > > > Element - Erythrocyte (Red Blood Cell)

> > > > $275

> > > > $169

> > > >

> > > > 421

> > > > Heavy Metals - Fecal

> > > > $178

> > > > $139

> > > >

> > > > 423

> > > > Urine Toxic Metals & Essential Elements

> > > > $198

> > > > $149

> > > >

> > > > 26

> > > > Element - Whole Blood Toxics

> > > > $289

> > > > $169

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Special Combination Panels

> > > >

> > > > 90*

> > > > ION (Individualized Optimal Nutrition) Panel (Real price is $500 from

> > > > Metametrix)

> > > > $1645 Patient Price

> > > > $ 649 Doctor Price

> > > >

> > > > Includes tests 11, 22, 33, 41, 51, 91, 92

> > > >

> > > > (110 analytes) - Blood and Urine Specimens

> > > >

> > > > Platinum Custom designed programs from

> > > > 676

> > > >

> > > > E-mail for pricing on other combinations

> > > > Pricing/Payment Information

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > No billing - all tests prepaid

> > > >

> > > > Credit cards and prepayment by check accepted

> > > >

> > > > Fax requisitions sent for next day draw - $25

> > > >

> > > > Insurance forms supplied for additional fee of $15 (how can this be

> > > > filed

> > > > without a diagnosis and a doctor?)

> > > >

> > > > Standard shipping charges included in price of test

> > > >

> > > > No Medicare, Medicaid or Worker's Comp billing

> > > >

> > > > Insurance forms not supplied for Special Combination Panels

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Additional Charges

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Draw fees vary depending upon test ($12-$50)

> > > >

> > > > Most prices include draw fees under normal circumstances.

> > > >

> > > > We charge for discarded or misplaced kits. Restocking fee on

> cancelled

> > > > tests.

> > > >

> > > > Kit fees vary depending upon test ($5-$25) - Kit fees applied to

> > > > purchase

> > > >

> > > > Submittal of unacceptable urine or saliva specimen ($25)

> > > >

> > > > STAT requests ($45 per panel, $75-$100 for Special Combination

> Panels)

> > > >

> > > > Modification of Airbill (such as insurance or Saturday delivery)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Mark,

Which labs are used for the DLS hair toxic elements and urine toxic elements

tests? This would be a good option for folks not able to get their docs to

order the first tests but I've found that results from various labs not all

equal.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

Gaylen,

I'm going to ask them tomorrrow morning as I don't want to misspeak.

In health,

Mark Schauss

www.cellmatewellness.com

Re: [ ] Re: Ordering your own tests

> Mark,

>

> Which labs are used for the DLS hair toxic elements and urine toxic

elements

> tests? This would be a good option for folks not able to get their docs

to

> order the first tests but I've found that results from various labs not

all

> equal.

> Gaylen

>

>