Guest guest Posted December 31, 2000 Report Share Posted December 31, 2000 I'm just wondering if ALA can be used safely and effectively without DMSA. From what I've been reading it sounds like ALA is the drug that pulls the mercury out of the brain and helps the body eliminate it. Why then do we need DMSA? Has anybody had good results with ALA only? Thanks, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2000 Report Share Posted December 31, 2000 --- In egroups, Pat Gallagher wonders: > I'm just wondering if ALA can be used safely and effectively without DMSA. > From what I've been reading it sounds like ALA is the drug that pulls the > mercury out of the brain and helps the body eliminate it. Why then do we > need DMSA? Has anybody had good results with ALA only? The DMSA is not essential. It does appear to speed things up about 40% and also to change the side effect profile quite a bit. Several adults have detoxed with ALA only, not using DMSA for assorted reasons. It worked just fine for all of them. I don't think it would be any different for children. Andy Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 Does DMSA change the side effectp profile for good or for bad? If using ALA alone, do you follow the dosage that you suggesting in the protocol using ALA with DMSA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 > I'm just wondering if ALA can be used safely and effectively without DMSA. > From what I've been reading it sounds like ALA is the drug that pulls the > mercury out of the brain and helps the body eliminate it. Why then do we > need DMSA? Has anybody had good results with ALA only? Thanks, Pat Hi Pat. We have been using the ALA alone for awhile now, and are having very good results. Most people around us have no idea that we are doing this, yet they all are astounded at how much better is doing all the time now. She is growing in leaps and bounds. My dad came to stay with us from another state recently, and could not believe that it was the same child. We see gains with every round of ALA, and there have not really been any negatives. mrochester@... ----------------- Click here for the best diet and health information you will ever find! www.westonaprice.org ----------------- " Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. " -- C.S. . ----------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 , Thank you for your report. Can you tell me if it has improved your daughter's verbal abilities? Was she verbal prior to chelation? Thanks, Re: [ ] Re: Using ALA alone > > I'm just wondering if ALA can be used safely and effectively without > DMSA. > > From what I've been reading it sounds like ALA is the drug that > pulls the > > mercury out of the brain and helps the body eliminate it. Why then > do we > > need DMSA? Has anybody had good results with ALA only? Thanks, Pat > > Hi Pat. > We have been using the ALA alone for awhile now, and are having very > good results. Most people around us have no idea that we are doing > this, yet they all are astounded at how much better is doing > all the time now. She is growing in leaps and bounds. My dad came to > stay with us from another state recently, and could not believe that > it was the same child. We see gains with every round of ALA, and there > have not really been any negatives. > > > > mrochester@... > ----------------- > Click here for the best diet and health information you will ever > find! > www.westonaprice.org > ----------------- > " Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims > may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber > barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber > baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some > point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good > will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of > their own conscience. " > -- C.S. . > ----------------- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 > , > Thank you for your report. Can you tell me if it has improved your > daughter's verbal abilities? Was she verbal prior to chelation? > Thanks, > Prior to chelation, she was COMPLETELY non-verbal. She is now babbling constantly in the same way as my toddler did right before speech, and she is singing songs with all the words a lot. She does say things that you can understand if you listen close, like she was counting to 10 the other day. When I realized what she was doing and started holding up my fingers for what number she was one, she grinned ear to ear and hugged me :-) I would say that her growing verbal abilities are one of the best things about chelation. She is 4, by the way. mrochester@... ----------------- Click here for the best diet and health information you will ever find! www.westonaprice.org ----------------- " Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. " -- C.S. . ----------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 Jennnifer - What dosage do you use of the ALA and do you use the same cycle periods (3 days on, 11 days off) when you use it? How do you get the ALA? Have you been working with a doctor? In egroups, " Rochester " <mrochester@m...> wrote: > > I'm just wondering if ALA can be used safely and effectively without > DMSA. > > From what I've been reading it sounds like ALA is the drug that > pulls the > > mercury out of the brain and helps the body eliminate it. Why then > do we > > need DMSA? Has anybody had good results with ALA only? Thanks, Pat > > Hi Pat. > We have been using the ALA alone for awhile now, and are having very > good results. Most people around us have no idea that we are doing > this, yet they all are astounded at how much better is doing > all the time now. She is growing in leaps and bounds. My dad came to > stay with us from another state recently, and could not believe that > it was the same child. We see gains with every round of ALA, and there > have not really been any negatives. > > > > mrochester@m... > ----------------- > Click here for the best diet and health information you will ever > find! > www.westonaprice.org > ----------------- > " Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims > may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber > barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber > baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some > point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good > will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of > their own conscience. " > -- C.S. . > ----------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 DMSA usually improves the side effect profile, but it ALWAYS changes it. A few people will prefer the ALA only side effects, most do better side effect wise on the combo. Use about the same amount of ALA either way. Andy > Does DMSA change the side effectp profile for good or for bad? If > using ALA alone, do you follow the dosage that you suggesting in the > protocol using ALA with DMSA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 I did a few rounds of ALA only (without DMSA) with my daughter over the summer. I did see some positive results. Once we found a doctor, I stopped doing that pending all the testing. We are now using DMSA. We did five rounds and this past weekend, we added ALA. I have no patience to wait for urine test results and although I was seeing improvement with each round of DMSA, I did not see any improvement last weekend and my husband and I decided (and will tell our doctor -- hopefully he has no problem with it) to include the ALA. I have previously posted the improvements that we have been seeing. I think reintroducing the ALA was a good idea because she was absolutely wonderful yesterday. In a great mood and even managed to unsnap her pants herself (for this apraxic kid -- that is a HUGE step). We'll keep plugging along and go with our gut instincts. I am still awaiting results of six hour urine test that we did December 18th. Tali --- Pat Gallagher <patgallagher@...> wrote: > I'm just wondering if ALA can be used safely and > effectively without DMSA. > From what I've been reading it sounds like ALA is > the drug that pulls the > mercury out of the brain and helps the body > eliminate it. Why then do we > need DMSA? Has anybody had good results with ALA > only? Thanks, Pat > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 > - What dosage do you use of the ALA ? We had been giving her 1/4 of a 50 mg capsule at a time, but we recently upped it to 1/2 of a 50 mg capsule with no ill results. She weighs a little over 30 lbs. >and do you use the same cycle periods (3 days on, 11 days off) when you use it It depends on the circumstances. Some weeks we do it for 3 days on, every 3 hours during the day and every 4 hours at night, and then 4 days off. I have 3 other small children, and so sometimes I am not up to getting up during the night. At these times, I do it every 3 hours during 1 day, skip that night and the next day and night, then do it again the next day, so a week would look like: Mon off, Tues on, Wed off, Thurs on, Fri off, Sat on, Sun off. On our last cycle, we did 5 days on, 9 days off. We really just go by what is happening in our lives at the time, and work around it. >How do you get the ALA? At the health food store, in 50 mg capsules. >Have you been working with a doctor? I am generally not too interested in working with doctors, as the last one made my child autistic, and most of the people I know have been more hurt than helped by them. I don't believe that this is because all doctors are bad people, by any means, just that they have been taught some very dangerous info :-/ We have pretty much opted out of the medical system alltogether, although if we needed a bone set or someone was hit by a car, etc, we would definately fall back on it. Thankfully, this hasn't happened. We as a family are much healthier now that we have taken our health matters into our own hands. That said, I did take in to see Dr Amy in Baton Rouge while we were on our way to Florida for vacation last year. She was not seeing quite as many children then, and was able to make an opening for us when I wrote her about it. She knew exactly where I stood with my views on doctors, etc, and agreed to see us anyway. So basically, she was able to 'officially' confirm what I already knew about my daughter, and we have her to fall back on should we ever want to do more testing, etc. And she was able to do some testing I wanted done to see what my child needed specifically with some diet supplements. mrochester@... ----------------- Click here for the best diet and health information you will ever find! www.westonaprice.org ----------------- " Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. " -- C.S. . ----------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 Tali been curious about this so glad you posted. I remember you were using la alone. I hear some very positive improvements with la along with dmsa . I am wondering now if it is really necessary to wait until mercury levels drop before adding la ???? kelly I did a few rounds of ALA only (without DMSA) with my daughter over the summer. I did see some positive results. Once we found a doctor, I stopped doing that pending all the testing. We are now using DMSA. We did five rounds and this past weekend, we added ALA. I have no patience to wait for urine test results and although I was seeing improvement with each round of DMSA, I did not see any improvement last weekend and my husband and I decided (and will tell our doctor -- hopefully he has no problem with it) to include the ALA. I have previously posted the improvements that we have been seeing. I think reintroducing the ALA was a good idea because she was absolutely wonderful yesterday. In a great mood and even managed to unsnap her pants herself (for this apraxic kid -- that is a HUGE step). We'll keep plugging along and go with our gut instincts. I am still awaiting results of six hour urine test that we did December 18th. Tali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2001 Report Share Posted January 2, 2001 Sounds like it's more of a precautionary measure in the event of recent exposure (through amalgam removal or otherwise). In my daughter's case, she never had amalgams and the only exposures that I am aware of were inutero and vaccinations. I'm glad we tried it with DMSA alone for these few rounds. I'll be looking forward to seeing if there are more noticeable improvements adding the ALA. Also going to try the one day on, one day off thing because we were messing up big time with the nightime waking. I confess, Andy, we were blowing it on the every four hour deal at night. I didn't see any major problems, but maybe we didn't get the kind of improvement we should have either. Tali --- kc62765@... wrote: > Tali been curious about this so glad you posted. > I remember you were using > la alone. I hear some very positive improvements > with la along with dmsa . > I am wondering now if it is really necessary to > wait until mercury levels > drop before adding la ???? kelly > > > > > > > > I did a few rounds of ALA only (without DMSA) with > my > > daughter over the summer. I did see some positive > > results. Once we found a doctor, I stopped doing > > that pending all the testing. We are now using > DMSA. > > We did five rounds and this past weekend, we added > > ALA. I have no patience to wait for urine test > > results and although I was seeing improvement with > > each round of DMSA, I did not see any improvement > last > > weekend and my husband and I decided (and will > tell > > our doctor -- hopefully he has no problem with it) > to > > include the ALA. > > > > I have previously posted the improvements that we > have > > been seeing. I think reintroducing the ALA was a > good > > idea because she was absolutely wonderful > yesterday. > > In a great mood and even managed to unsnap her > pants > > herself (for this apraxic kid -- that is a HUGE > step). > > > > We'll keep plugging along and go with our gut > > instincts. I am still awaiting results of six > hour > > urine test that we did December 18th. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2001 Report Share Posted January 2, 2001 Just adding to what says, our son Adam, age 10 and verbal prior to chelation (at about a 7 yr. old level of speech) has become more willing to speak more with chelation. He is not so silent and comes forward to tell us what's on his mind, becomes more sharing of what he enjoys or shares what he is seeing that is interesting. He yelled out hi to friends passing by in a car (on the way home from school) - something he would never do before. He also has done more singing and early on in chelation, showed rhythm to the music by blowing a little whistle to the beat of the music. (never done before chelation). A friend of mine whose son has much less language than my son also showed these music and rhythm signs upon beginning chelation, too. Aly Re: [ ] Re: Using ALA alone > > , > > Thank you for your report. Can you tell me if it has improved your > > daughter's verbal abilities? Was she verbal prior to chelation? > > Thanks, > > > > > Prior to chelation, she was COMPLETELY non-verbal. She is now babbling > constantly in the same way as my toddler did right before speech, and she is > singing songs with all the words a lot. She does say things that you can > understand if you listen close, like she was counting to 10 the other day. When > I realized what she was doing and started holding up my fingers for what number > she was one, she grinned ear to ear and hugged me :-) > I would say that her growing verbal abilities are one of the best things about > chelation. > She is 4, by the way. > > > > mrochester@... > ----------------- > Click here for the best diet and health information you will ever find! > www.westonaprice.org > ----------------- > " Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims > may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber > barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber > baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some > point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good > will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of > their own conscience. " > -- C.S. . > ----------------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) is a mercury chelator. As far as I understand it is the only mercury chelator that crosses the blood-brain barrier. Improper usage of any mercury chelator can and does often cause extensive mercury redistribution problems. It is important to understand that chelators like ALA, DMSA, and DMPS should not be used casually, but only within a safe chelation protocol. [ ] using ALA alone my son is on cocktail to support the mitochondria for a presumed mitochondrial disorder. The antioxidant ALA is included. Is there any risk to using this without other chelating agents? What clinical signs/symptoms should I look for? Nadine ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 The use of ALA can also make a zinc/copper imbalance worse (it somehow inhibits the excretion of copper). Do you know if your child has ever been high in copper? Many kids with Autism are; mine included. Copper toxicity is not a good thing. We are addressing this imbalance before going further with chelation. Pam > Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) is a mercury chelator. As far as I understand it is the only mercury chelator that crosses the blood- brain barrier. Improper usage of any mercury chelator can and does often cause extensive mercury redistribution problems. > > It is important to understand that chelators like ALA, DMSA, and DMPS should not be used casually, but only within a safe chelation protocol. > [ ] using ALA alone > > > > my son is on cocktail to support the mitochondria for a presumed > mitochondrial disorder. The antioxidant ALA is included. Is there > any risk to using this without other chelating agents? What clinical > signs/symptoms should I look for? > > Nadine > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Yes, the problem is the dose and dosing schedule which can cause redistribution of mercury and if he has any mercury amalgam dental fillings. S <tt> <BR> my son is on cocktail to support the mitochondria for a presumed <BR> mitochondrial disorder. The antioxidant ALA is included. Is there <BR> any risk to using this without other chelating agents? What clinical <BR> signs/symptoms should I look for?<BR> <BR> Nadine<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br><br> <tt> =======================================================<BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Nadine, I guess you meant 10 mg/kg/day. Andy recommends 1/8 to 1/2 of body weight in pounds. If your son is 10 kg (= 22 lbs), that would be 3 to 10 mg every 3 hrs for 3 days and nights. Then at least 3 days break. If your son is mercury toxic, giving him that much ALA, everyday, on that 3 times a day schedule could be very dangerous. I started chelating my 2 yo with 4 mg and I saw amazing progress. The dose does not have to be high to be effective. > > The dose is 100mg/kg/day in divided doses (three times with meals). > In my child, that would be 100 mg three times a day but he is > getting a 60 mg dose instead. > > Nadine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 > > The dose is 100mg/kg/day in divided doses (three times with meals). > In my child, that would be 100 mg three times a day but he is > getting a 60 mg dose instead. I started my son [at age 5-1/2, about 50 pounds] with 25mg ALA 3x per day. I did eventually work him up to 100mg ALA 3x per day, that was the dose for the last 20-30 rounds or so. He was finished with chelation at age 8. He did fine with this protocol, altho if I gave the ALA more than 6 days in a row, he would get a nasty yeast overgrowth issue. Plus his body would not have had any days to rest from processing metals. So giving 60mg per dose, 3x per day, would have worked for my son when he was about 7yo, except for the yeast issue if I gave it daily. How old is your child, and how is he doing with the daily dose? Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Nadine, I still don't get it. It seems it is 10 mg/kg/day. Your son is 24 kg and his recommended daily dose is 80 mg three times a day, thus 240 mg. You are actually giving him 60 mg three times a day, which is 180 mg. If you want to follow Andy's protocol, and keep the same daily dose, you can just give him 22.5 mg every 3 hrs. To make it easier, you could just give him 20 mg every 3 hrs. How long have you done this? How did he react? Most people agrees that daily ALA (with no break) is very dangerous for mercury toxic people. That is why we do rounds of a few days and then a break. Have you done a hair test? > > > > > > The dose is 100mg/kg/day in divided doses (three times with > meals). > > > In my child, that would be 100 mg three times a day but he is > > > getting a 60 mg dose instead. > > > > > > Nadine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 > > Hi Dana, > > He is 51/2 and approx 54#. He is doing fine as far as I can tell. Then it is *probably* okay, but you might want to consider giving him a break from it for a week or so, especially if you notice an increase in yeast. One thing to mention. ALA can mean alpha lipoic acid [antioxidant and chelator] and alpha linoleic acid [fatty acid]. I have been giving my info on alpha lipoic acid. If the ALA in your supplement is alpha linoleic acid, then none of this applies, and you can give it daily without problems. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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