Re: improvement without ALA

[Guest guest]

A lot of the brain problems are because the gut and liver are filling

the body up with toxins that mess up brain function. Some are due to

mercury actually in the brain.

Some of the kids are lead toxic (or have lead as part of mixed metal

toxicity) and DMSA works really excellently for that all by itself.

Lead comes out of the brain on its own - the DMSA doesn't have to go

in and get it.

If you gave the DMSA/ALA every 8 hours he regressed instead of

progressed due to inappropriate dosing that moved mercury back into

the sensitive tissues. The correct way to use DMSA/ALA is every 3-4

hours - and people who do it that way continue to improve during

therapy.

Andy Cutler

--- In egroups, Dwyer <dwyer.whynot@j...>

wrote:

> Listmates,

> Can anyone offer a possible explanation about my 7- yr-old son's

> progression since beginning chelating?

>

> After 5 rounds of DMSA-SR, we had an incredible 2 weeks. Great

> improvement in almost every domain. The " brain fog " was gone,

attention

> was up, interest in playing was greatly increased. 2 weeks later we

began

> 200 mg DMSA +50 mg ALA. Since then, all the brain fog is back,

stimming

> up, dark circles under the eyes this week (we had bumped up the ALA

to

> 100 mg on round 3).

> I know we should expect to see all the undesirable behavior as we

begin

> to pull mercury from the brain. But my question is, why would we see

such

> great improvement on just DMSA-SR, which is not pulling from brain

where

> we keep hearing all the trouble is rooted? I've read other posts

from

> parents who have also seen tremendous gains on just DMSA. Isn't that

just

> pulling out the loosely bound mercury? I can't rationalize why kids

make

> cognitive improvements with removal of mercury and other metals from

> areas of the body other than the brain...

>

> Also, are others using the 2:1 ratio of DMSA to ALA ?

>

> Thanks.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I was wondering why you recomended every 3 to 4 hours. Is it because it

gives a continuous 'flow' that does not let the mercury settle back into the

brain as opposed to every 8 hours giving it to much time to do the same?

Toma

[ ] Re: improvement without ALA

: A lot of the brain problems are because the gut and liver are filling

: the body up with toxins that mess up brain function. Some are due to

: mercury actually in the brain.

:

: Some of the kids are lead toxic (or have lead as part of mixed metal

: toxicity) and DMSA works really excellently for that all by itself.

: Lead comes out of the brain on its own - the DMSA doesn't have to go

: in and get it.

:

: If you gave the DMSA/ALA every 8 hours he regressed instead of

: progressed due to inappropriate dosing that moved mercury back into

: the sensitive tissues. The correct way to use DMSA/ALA is every 3-4

: hours - and people who do it that way continue to improve during

: therapy.

:

: Andy Cutler

:

:

: > Listmates,

: > Can anyone offer a possible explanation about my 7- yr-old son's

: > progression since beginning chelating?

: >

: > After 5 rounds of DMSA-SR, we had an incredible 2 weeks. Great

: > improvement in almost every domain. The " brain fog " was gone,

: attention

: > was up, interest in playing was greatly increased. 2 weeks later we

: began

: > 200 mg DMSA +50 mg ALA. Since then, all the brain fog is back,

: stimming

: > up, dark circles under the eyes this week (we had bumped up the ALA

: to

: > 100 mg on round 3).

: > I know we should expect to see all the undesirable behavior as we

: begin

: > to pull mercury from the brain. But my question is, why would we see

: such

: > great improvement on just DMSA-SR, which is not pulling from brain

: where

: > we keep hearing all the trouble is rooted? I've read other posts

: from

: > parents who have also seen tremendous gains on just DMSA. Isn't that

: just

: > pulling out the loosely bound mercury? I can't rationalize why kids

: make

: > cognitive improvements with removal of mercury and other metals from

: > areas of the body other than the brain...

: >

: > Also, are others using the 2:1 ratio of DMSA to ALA ?

: >

: > Thanks.

: >

: >

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:

[Guest guest]

Correct.

Andy

> : > Listmates,

> : > Can anyone offer a possible explanation about my 7- yr-old son's

> : > progression since beginning chelating?

> : >

> : > After 5 rounds of DMSA-SR, we had an incredible 2 weeks. Great

> : > improvement in almost every domain. The " brain fog " was gone,

> : attention

> : > was up, interest in playing was greatly increased. 2 weeks later

we

> : began

> : > 200 mg DMSA +50 mg ALA. Since then, all the brain fog is back,

> : stimming

> : > up, dark circles under the eyes this week (we had bumped up the

ALA

> : to

> : > 100 mg on round 3).

> : > I know we should expect to see all the undesirable behavior as

we

> : begin

> : > to pull mercury from the brain. But my question is, why would we

see

> : such

> : > great improvement on just DMSA-SR, which is not pulling from

brain

> : where

> : > we keep hearing all the trouble is rooted? I've read other posts

> : from

> : > parents who have also seen tremendous gains on just DMSA. Isn't

that

> : just

> : > pulling out the loosely bound mercury? I can't rationalize why

kids

> : make

> : > cognitive improvements with removal of mercury and other metals

from

> : > areas of the body other than the brain...

> : >

> : > Also, are others using the 2:1 ratio of DMSA to ALA ?

> : >

> : > Thanks.

> : >

> : >

> : > ________________________________________________________________

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> :

> :

> :

[Guest guest]

,

We are. We are using 100DMSA/50ALA every 3 hours during the day, 4 at night

for my 20-yr. old son. Not a high dose--low and slow.

Barb

[ ] improvement without ALA

>Listmates,

>Can anyone offer a possible explanation about my 7- yr-old son's

>progression since beginning chelating?

>

>After 5 rounds of DMSA-SR, we had an incredible 2 weeks. Great

>improvement in almost every domain. The " brain fog " was gone, attention

>was up, interest in playing was greatly increased. 2 weeks later we began

>200 mg DMSA +50 mg ALA. Since then, all the brain fog is back, stimming

>up, dark circles under the eyes this week (we had bumped up the ALA to

>100 mg on round 3).

>I know we should expect to see all the undesirable behavior as we begin

>to pull mercury from the brain. But my question is, why would we see such

>great improvement on just DMSA-SR, which is not pulling from brain where

>we keep hearing all the trouble is rooted? I've read other posts from

>parents who have also seen tremendous gains on just DMSA. Isn't that just

>pulling out the loosely bound mercury? I can't rationalize why kids make

>cognitive improvements with removal of mercury and other metals from

>areas of the body other than the brain...

>

>Also, are others using the 2:1 ratio of DMSA to ALA ?

>

>Thanks.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Barb,

Can you tell me how your 20 year old is doing on chelation? I have a friend

with a 24 yr. old.

Neena Garza

ngarza@...

[ ] improvement without ALA

>

>

>>Listmates,

>>Can anyone offer a possible explanation about my 7- yr-old son's

>>progression since beginning chelating?

>>

>>After 5 rounds of DMSA-SR, we had an incredible 2 weeks. Great

>>improvement in almost every domain. The " brain fog " was gone, attention

>>was up, interest in playing was greatly increased. 2 weeks later we began

>>200 mg DMSA +50 mg ALA. Since then, all the brain fog is back, stimming

>>up, dark circles under the eyes this week (we had bumped up the ALA to

>>100 mg on round 3).

>>I know we should expect to see all the undesirable behavior as we begin

>>to pull mercury from the brain. But my question is, why would we see such

>>great improvement on just DMSA-SR, which is not pulling from brain where

>>we keep hearing all the trouble is rooted? I've read other posts from

>>parents who have also seen tremendous gains on just DMSA. Isn't that just

>>pulling out the loosely bound mercury? I can't rationalize why kids make

>>cognitive improvements with removal of mercury and other metals from

>>areas of the body other than the brain...

>>

>>Also, are others using the 2:1 ratio of DMSA to ALA ?

>>

>>Thanks.

>>

>>

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>>

[Guest guest]

We started chelating in August. We did one month on 7/7 with just DMSA to

get any possible body mercury. As expected, the one-month test was negative

on body mercury. We had an arsenic level of 12, and a few other lower

metals, so we were given the go-ahead to start Phase 2.

We then proceeded to 3 days on, 4 off with the DMSA/ALA. We've adjusted

dosages here and there, but we've stayed with the 4 hour dosing throughout.

We've done Dr. Amy's supplements and test protocol, and I think the

supplements have done a lot to make the process easier. We ran 3-month

monitoring tests that all came out normal. Also, we've worked very hard to

get 7 glasses of water down him on the " on " days, and less on the off.

So far, Craig is getting rid of a lot of arsenic. It jumped from 12 to 39

to 79 in the urine toxic metals, then back down to 30. The fecal test

however went up to about 97% and has since dropped to about 85%. (This

correlates with his hair test which showed very high arsenic! and some other

metals.) We are waiting for our next round of tests to come back and giving

him a short breather from chelation.

As far as behavioral changes, that has come and gone in spurts. We've

noticed unusual things like lots of speech on one round, or ease in movement

in another, or going to the toilet alone without reminders, or just wanting

to be near us, much more relational. What he has told us on his computer

board is that his joint pain is gone, and that he feels wonderful, because

he doesn't hurt anywhere anymore. He also says that he also feels stronger

and more daring, not so afraid. He asks us not to stop chelating because he

feels better and better after every cycle.

We are definitely noticing that he is better ON, then off. He gets

gradually more scattered and is ready to start again.

My guess is that we have to wait for the arsenic levels to get down a ways

before we'll start pulling mercury. Or else maybe try another chelator? I'm

VERY anxious to see this next set of test results--if only to see how fast

the arsenic is coming out!

Why all the arsenic? Who knows!!!!!

Barb

[ ] improvement without ALA

>>

>>

>>>Listmates,

>>>Can anyone offer a possible explanation about my 7- yr-old son's

>>>progression since beginning chelating?

>>>

>>>After 5 rounds of DMSA-SR, we had an incredible 2 weeks. Great

>>>improvement in almost every domain. The " brain fog " was gone, attention

>>>was up, interest in playing was greatly increased. 2 weeks later we began

>>>200 mg DMSA +50 mg ALA. Since then, all the brain fog is back, stimming

>>>up, dark circles under the eyes this week (we had bumped up the ALA to

>>>100 mg on round 3).

>>>I know we should expect to see all the undesirable behavior as we begin

>>>to pull mercury from the brain. But my question is, why would we see such

>>>great improvement on just DMSA-SR, which is not pulling from brain where

>>>we keep hearing all the trouble is rooted? I've read other posts from

>>>parents who have also seen tremendous gains on just DMSA. Isn't that just

>>>pulling out the loosely bound mercury? I can't rationalize why kids make

>>>cognitive improvements with removal of mercury and other metals from

>>>areas of the body other than the brain...

>>>

>>>Also, are others using the 2:1 ratio of DMSA to ALA ?

>>>

>>>Thanks.

>>>

>>>

>>>________________________________________________________________

>>>GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!

>>>Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!

>>>Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:

>>>http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Your letter sounds so much like me it is scary. The joint pain is

leaving me now, and I will keep you posted as how I do. Funny how a

young person reports the same symptoms as I do. By the way my

arsenic levels are very high.

> We started chelating in August. We did one month on 7/7 with just

DMSA to

> get any possible body mercury. As expected, the one-month test was

negative

> on body mercury. We had an arsenic level of 12, and a few other

lower

> metals, so we were given the go-ahead to start Phase 2.

>

> We then proceeded to 3 days on, 4 off with the DMSA/ALA. We've

adjusted

> dosages here and there, but we've stayed with the 4 hour dosing

throughout.

> We've done Dr. Amy's supplements and test protocol, and I think the

> supplements have done a lot to make the process easier. We ran 3-

month

> monitoring tests that all came out normal. Also, we've worked very

hard to

> get 7 glasses of water down him on the " on " days, and less on the

off.

>

> So far, Craig is getting rid of a lot of arsenic. It jumped from

12 to 39

> to 79 in the urine toxic metals, then back down to 30. The fecal

test

> however went up to about 97% and has since dropped to about 85%.

(This

> correlates with his hair test which showed very high arsenic! and

some other

> metals.) We are waiting for our next round of tests to come back

and giving

> him a short breather from chelation.

>

> As far as behavioral changes, that has come and gone in spurts.

We've

> noticed unusual things like lots of speech on one round, or ease in

movement

> in another, or going to the toilet alone without reminders, or just

wanting

> to be near us, much more relational. What he has told us on his

computer

> board is that his joint pain is gone, and that he feels wonderful,

because

> he doesn't hurt anywhere anymore. He also says that he also feels

stronger

> and more daring, not so afraid. He asks us not to stop chelating

because he

> feels better and better after every cycle.

>

> We are definitely noticing that he is better ON, then off. He gets

> gradually more scattered and is ready to start again.

>

> My guess is that we have to wait for the arsenic levels to get down

a ways

> before we'll start pulling mercury. Or else maybe try another

chelator? I'm

> VERY anxious to see this next set of test results--if only to see

how fast

> the arsenic is coming out!

>

> Why all the arsenic? Who knows!!!!!

> Barb

> [ ] improvement without ALA

> >>

> >>

> >>>Listmates,

> >>>Can anyone offer a possible explanation about my 7- yr-old son's

> >>>progression since beginning chelating?

> >>>

> >>>After 5 rounds of DMSA-SR, we had an incredible 2 weeks. Great

> >>>improvement in almost every domain. The " brain fog " was gone,

attention

> >>>was up, interest in playing was greatly increased. 2 weeks later

we began

> >>>200 mg DMSA +50 mg ALA. Since then, all the brain fog is back,

stimming

> >>>up, dark circles under the eyes this week (we had bumped up the

ALA to

> >>>100 mg on round 3).

> >>>I know we should expect to see all the undesirable behavior as

we begin

> >>>to pull mercury from the brain. But my question is, why would we

see such

> >>>great improvement on just DMSA-SR, which is not pulling from

brain where

> >>>we keep hearing all the trouble is rooted? I've read other posts

from

> >>>parents who have also seen tremendous gains on just DMSA. Isn't

that just

> >>>pulling out the loosely bound mercury? I can't rationalize why

kids make

> >>>cognitive improvements with removal of mercury and other metals

from

> >>>areas of the body other than the brain...

> >>>

> >>>Also, are others using the 2:1 ratio of DMSA to ALA ?

> >>>

> >>>Thanks.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>________________________________________________________________

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