Re: Anyone have post-concession blues?

[Guest guest]

The Poling case was an important advancement to the cause, maybe even

a watershed development -- but we are far from having won the war.

So hungry are we for justice for our children, perhaps we have lost

some perspective. I see other small signs of it on this list. That

cute bumpersticker with the four monkeys, for example, that mentions

the various pro-vaccine militia acronyms. I doubt many people " out

there " would yet have much idea what it means. I found it sad, not

hilarious, because it is still so much an insider joke.

Lenny

>

> It's like after you finish your exams or a project and it's all gone

> well and then you find that your mood sinks for some weird reason?

>

> And I'm not even on the front lines of the controversy (no more than

> all of us are for having effected kids), haven't, say, presented to

> Congress or even demonstrated yet. And we haven't been involved in the

> movement for more than a year. Do the people who are the most deeply

> involved get actual post-concession depression or do you just get used

> to the ups and downs?

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if the Poling case will even be mentioned when McCarthy has her interview with our CBC folks tomorrow. Somehow, I doubt it, as we have barely heard any mention of the Poling case in our media in Canada (and whatever little there has been out west, has been relatively negative, for the most part). Aasa schaferatsprynet <schafer@...> wrote: The Poling case was an important advancement to the cause, maybe evena watershed development -- but we are far from having

won the war. So hungry are we for justice for our children, perhaps we have lostsome perspective. I see other small signs of it on this list. Thatcute bumpersticker with the four monkeys, for example, that mentionsthe various pro-vaccine militia acronyms. I doubt many people "outthere" would yet have much idea what it means. I found it sad, nothilarious, because it is still so much an insider joke.Lenny >> It's like after you finish your exams or a project and it's all gone > well and then you find that your mood sinks for some weird reason? > > And I'm not even on the front lines of the controversy (no more than > all of us are for having effected kids), haven't, say, presented to > Congress or even demonstrated yet. And we haven't been involved in the

> movement for more than a year. Do the people who are the most deeply > involved get actual post-concession depression or do you just get used > to the ups and downs?>

[Guest guest]

This past week has been too emotional for me. I've had a hard time

sleeping. I've been reliving my kids fall into autism-even looking

at the before and after videos and pulling out the vaccine records

and matching them to the date stamp on the video. Just today, I said

I have to get away from all this. We have to be tough-for our kids.

> >

> > It's like after you finish your exams or a project and it's all

gone

> > well and then you find that your mood sinks for some weird

reason?

> >

> > And I'm not even on the front lines of the controversy (no more

than

> > all of us are for having effected kids), haven't, say, presented

to

> > Congress or even demonstrated yet. And we haven't been involved

in the

> > movement for more than a year. Do the people who are the most

deeply

> > involved get actual post-concession depression or do you just get

used

> > to the ups and downs?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ok.. so... when will we hear about the other cases? cedillo? and hopefully they would be victorious and we can celebrate yet again... LiaIt's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.

[Guest guest]

Holly, I remember you well and with deep appreciation and gratitude for

your assistance on earlier lists, like gfcfkids. You mean the world to

me and my son, and no doubt many others who don't know where to find

you and how to thank you. And, of course, Lenny, in ways too great to

express. In quiet, profound ways, throughout the world, the silented

voices of our children are being heard.

With deepest gratitude to all of parent-warriors and the injured

children,

Nulani

>

> This past week has been too emotional for me. I've had a hard time

> sleeping. I've been reliving my kids fall into autism-even looking

> at the before and after videos and pulling out the vaccine records

> and matching them to the date stamp on the video. Just today, I said

> I have to get away from all this. We have to be tough-for our kids.

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to chime in.

I have had the complete post-concession blues. Sometimes, I wish that I didn't care so much because it just hurts more. Sometimes, I wish I was a more self absorbed person because life would be easier that way, but it's really a good thing that we're not.

This list and others like it are so meaningful because our pain, our triumphs, our challenges are so unique. The typical family has no idea just what we deal with on a daily basis and just how much we care. How much we care about our very injured children and the whole generation of children.

People just don't get it. I love you guys/gals on this list because I laugh at your sarcastic humor, read letters of advocacy, hear the stories of success, and listen to the stories of pain. In my daily life, people are complaining about the long lines or traffic. Nothing.......Nothing to really complain about. I identify with your feelings and understanding where you all are coming from.

I wish we weren't in this situation, but I can definitely say that I'm glad that we are fighting together.

Lenny & Kim will get us all laughing soon enough.

Lynne

Just a side note -Chocolate seems to help with the post-consession blues.

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[Guest guest]

What about a " Million Mom (and Dad) March " on Washington D.C. Where

parents are standing up to the continued increase in vaccinations as

well as " all the legislation " that the PHARMA lobby is pushing on the

American public. Afterall, it is our country and our children who

suffer. I think we may just have the numbers (including aunts,

uncles, grandparents). I know a lot of people who are " sick and

tired " of all the ED, depression, sleep deprived, etc pharma

commericals which play on the major networks continually 24/7.

What do you think?

> The Poling case was an important advancement to the cause, maybe

even a watershed development -- but we are far from having won the

war.

>

> So hungry are we for justice for our children, perhaps we have lost

> some perspective. I see other small signs of it on this list. That

> cute bumpersticker with the four monkeys, for example, that mentions

> the various pro-vaccine militia acronyms. I doubt many people " out

> there " would yet have much idea what it means. I found it sad, not

> hilarious, because it is still so much an insider joke.

>

> Lenny

>

>

>

> >

> > It's like after you finish your exams or a project and it's all

gone

> > well and then you find that your mood sinks for some weird

reason?

> >

> > And I'm not even on the front lines of the controversy (no more

than

> > all of us are for having effected kids), haven't, say, presented

to

> > Congress or even demonstrated yet. And we haven't been involved

in the

> > movement for more than a year. Do the people who are the most

deeply

> > involved get actual post-concession depression or do you just get

used

> > to the ups and downs?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, infants accross the country (and the world) are still being

hyper-vaccinated because too many parents won't get the " punchline "

yet. It was business as usual the next day after the Poling

announcement and vaccine manufacturing didn't miss a beat. Scores of

kids got their first diagnosis, tons more began to regress,

countlesss pediatricians ignored the connection. And our kids are

still sick and no one came to all our doors with giant cardboard

checks saying they were going to pay for treatments.

So, no, the fight's not over. You're quite right. The Poling

disclosure was a good moment though.

> >

> > It's like after you finish your exams or a project and it's all

gone

> > well and then you find that your mood sinks for some weird

reason?

> >

> > And I'm not even on the front lines of the controversy (no more

than

> > all of us are for having effected kids), haven't, say, presented

to

> > Congress or even demonstrated yet. And we haven't been involved

in the

> > movement for more than a year. Do the people who are the most

deeply

> > involved get actual post-concession depression or do you just get

used

> > to the ups and downs?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Same here, I felt emotionally drained by last Friday. Then I had to

cuss out an aunt who essentially said we should ship off Allie

somewhere. This aunt had initially encouraged me to fight for Allie.

It was extremely painful to listen to someone think so little of my

children and myself, but like you said, we have to be strong. Better

to tell an selfish, stupid, materialistic person where to stick it

than to let it impact the ability to fight for my child.

So yeah, I'm definitely feeling it. Nothing wrong with pulling back

from the boards, news, etc until we get our heading. Like you said,

we have to be tough for our kids, but listening & reading to a

thousand different idiots who know nothing about autism trying to

interject how and why we're all wrong isn't always necessary.

Debi

>

> This past week has been too emotional for me. I've had a hard time

> sleeping. I've been reliving my kids fall into autism-even

looking

> at the before and after videos and pulling out the vaccine records

> and matching them to the date stamp on the video. Just today, I

said

> I have to get away from all this. We have to be tough-for our

kids.

[Guest guest]

Debi, is right, don't listen to that garbage. My own sister laid that

on me in

January while visiting her. I hadn't seen her in 9 years. She met Aladsair when

he was 6

mos., and has never even met Conrad. On my last day there she started in on how

I need

to get both of the kids in an institution as soon as they turn 18 and get on

with my life. I

was livid. This is coming from someone who is self-absorbed, opinionated, and

has never

had a meaningful relationship. It's a good thing that she doesn't want children,

because

she shouldn't be allowed to have them.

Don't listen to that crap!

I've been down this week too. The epidemic deniers won't be able to deny it for

much

longer, and the truth will out.

Stay strong!

> >

> > This past week has been too emotional for me. I've had a hard time

> > sleeping. I've been reliving my kids fall into autism-even

> looking

> > at the before and after videos and pulling out the vaccine records

> > and matching them to the date stamp on the video. Just today, I

> said

> > I have to get away from all this. We have to be tough-for our

> kids.

>

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry. Both my sister's are my bes tfriends(tho don't live anywhere near them) . I cannot imagine going thru all this without them. Maurine King <medfordkings1@...> wrote: Debi, is right, don't listen to that garbage. My own sister laid that on me in January while visiting her. I hadn't seen her in 9 years. She met Aladsair when he was 6 mos., and has never even met Conrad. On my last day there she started in on how I need to get both of the kids in

an institution as soon as they turn 18 and get on with my life. I was livid. This is coming from someone who is self-absorbed, opinionated, and has never had a meaningful relationship. It's a good thing that she doesn't want children, because she shouldn't be allowed to have them. Don't listen to that crap!I've been down this week too. The epidemic deniers won't be able to deny it for much longer, and the truth will out.Stay strong! > >> > This past week has been too emotional for me. I've had a hard time > > sleeping. I've been reliving my kids fall into autism-even > looking > > at the before and after videos and pulling out the vaccine records > > and

matching them to the date stamp on the video. Just today, I > said > > I have to get away from all this. We have to be tough-for our > kids.>

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What I'm waiting for is for a family (prefereably several) who get

their kids mito tested BEFORE vax'ing, it comes back clean.. Then

the Vax thinking it's safe, but the kid starts to regress anyway, and

they do mito testing again and THIS time is comes back as disordered..

That would shoot a really large hole in the goverenments foot on

their pet theory of " pre-existing condition " (Of coure, Hannah's mito

problem was genetic, but non-symptomatic, not 'mercury induced')

Jim

[Guest guest]

Lol, I agree with your treatment plan: 10,000 cc's of chocolate.

>

> I just wanted to chime in.

>

> I have had the complete post-concession blues. Sometimes, I wish

that I

> didn't care so much because it just hurts more. Sometimes, I wish

I was a more

> self absorbed person because life would be easier that way, but

it's really a

> good thing that we're not.

>

> This list and others like it are so meaningful because our pain,

our

> triumphs, our challenges are so unique. The typical family has no

idea just what we

> deal with on a daily basis and just how much we care. How much we

care

> about our very injured children and the whole generation of

children.

>

> People just don't get it. I love you guys/gals on this list

because I laugh

> at your sarcastic humor, read letters of advocacy, hear the

stories of

> success, and listen to the stories of pain. In my daily life,

people are

> complaining about the long lines or traffic.

Nothing.......Nothing to really

> complain about. I identify with your feelings and understanding

where you all are

> coming from.

>

> I wish we weren't in this situation, but I can definitely say that

I'm glad

> that we are fighting together.

>

> Lenny & Kim will get us all laughing soon enough.

>

> Lynne

>

> Just a side note -Chocolate seems to help with the post-consession

blues.

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

, yikes. People who don't have children understand even less

than those who do but are in denial. It's like asking you to put your

heart and kidneys in an institution. Don't they get that we fight

because these kids ARE us, body and soul?

> > >

> > > This past week has been too emotional for me. I've had a hard

time

> > > sleeping. I've been reliving my kids fall into autism-even

> > looking

> > > at the before and after videos and pulling out the vaccine

records

> > > and matching them to the date stamp on the video. Just today,

I

> > said

> > > I have to get away from all this. We have to be tough-for our

> > kids.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You get used to the ups and downs. The Poling case is a huge step

forward for us but the war is far from over. Our enemies are hugely

powerful, but they are not invicible, they have many flaws that we have

and will continue to exploit to the benefit of our children and the

truth. We have endless amounts of work to do and we will be at this for

years.

>

> It's like after you finish your exams or a project and it's all gone

> well and then you find that your mood sinks for some weird reason?

>

> And I'm not even on the front lines of the controversy (no more than

> all of us are for having effected kids), haven't, say, presented to

> Congress or even demonstrated yet. And we haven't been involved in

the

> movement for more than a year. Do the people who are the most deeply

> involved get actual post-concession depression or do you just get

used

> to the ups and downs?

>

[Guest guest]

Ana, What's sad is that with a few exceptions, my sister is still in the

mind-set that she

was when we were in our early 20's. Her main concern is finding vintage

" hipster " clothing,

going to concerts and shows, and keeping up with the latest " alternative " music.

AND she

will be 40 in April!! It's like she is stuck in a time capsule. LOL. She is so

far removed from

reality itself, and even further removed from family bonds and caring deeply for

anyone.

So, I knew what to expect from the outset when I went to visit her. It was a

short trip

because we admittedly drive each other batty if we spend more than 3 days

together. As

long as I avoided talking about the kids too much and advocacy (which is hard

because

these two things are my life), we did alright. I avoid meaningful conversations

with her and

people like her because she is so damn negative about everything. So as long as

we were

going to movies, shows, shopping, she was tolerable. It's the idle time that was

unbearable!

BTW, I had to set her straight when she brought up the chromosome found in 1% of

all

autism cases, too!

> > > >

> > > > This past week has been too emotional for me. I've had a hard

> time

> > > > sleeping. I've been reliving my kids fall into autism-even

> > > looking

> > > > at the before and after videos and pulling out the vaccine

> records

> > > > and matching them to the date stamp on the video. Just today,

> I

> > > said

> > > > I have to get away from all this. We have to be tough-for our

> > > kids.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It's high in magnesium, you know. ;-)Peace,Kathy E.On Mar 14, 2008, at 1:07 PM, anacat_11 wrote:Lol, I agree with your treatment plan: 10,000 cc's of chocolate. 

[Guest guest]

Be nice if you could ask this auntie if she would like to pay for a week at a DAN! clinic for Allie including all the biomedical testing. I recommend it as a comeback for these very insensitive types.Peace,Kathy E.On Mar 14, 2008, at 12:24 PM, King wrote: Then I had to > cuss out an aunt who essentially said we should ship off Allie > somewhere. This aunt had initially encouraged me to fight for Allie. 

[Guest guest]

Thank you, , for that assurance.

> >

> > It's like after you finish your exams or a project and it's all

gone

> > well and then you find that your mood sinks for some weird

reason?

> >

> > And I'm not even on the front lines of the controversy (no more

than

> > all of us are for having effected kids), haven't, say, presented

to

> > Congress or even demonstrated yet. And we haven't been involved

in

> the

> > movement for more than a year. Do the people who are the most

deeply

> > involved get actual post-concession depression or do you just get

> used

> > to the ups and downs?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Maurine. I am really close to my brother and my mother (They are in

Alaska). We

talk at least 5 days a week. So I am fortunate to have family support from him

and other

family, too.

> > >

> > > This past week has been too emotional for me. I've had a hard time

> > > sleeping. I've been reliving my kids fall into autism-even

> > looking

> > > at the before and after videos and pulling out the vaccine records

> > > and matching them to the date stamp on the video. Just today, I

> > said

> > > I have to get away from all this. We have to be tough-for our

> > kids.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

seeing a mom get trashed for having the courage to stand up and fight

for her child - by some faceless anonymous troll this week - happens

over and over again - still going on - like the Poling's didn't even

exist - sometimes it feels like that kind of ignorance extends to the

world, and that is depressing as hell. How many times can you read

that your child is either a free rider or a throw-away, and that you

should just shut up and suck it up when they're injured? Is the

entire world gone into utilitarian mode?

every once in a while, i have to walk away from the entire discussion.

and I'm just a lurker, for the most part. kudos to the warriors out

there who take it to the streets, and the voices like DK and Lenny and

others who can so eloquently set the record straight. If not for

that, it would be really easy to go under some days.

-randy

> > > >

> > > > This past week has been too emotional for me. I've had a hard

> time

> > > > sleeping. I've been reliving my kids fall into autism-even

> > > looking

> > > > at the before and after videos and pulling out the vaccine

> records

> > > > and matching them to the date stamp on the video. Just today,

> I

> > > said

> > > > I have to get away from all this. We have to be tough-for our

> > > kids.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Glad you survived that three days! Did you harsh her mellow, lol?

I know. I used to know all these people who's hip hairdos and

alternative taste in music didn't correspond to any alternative

thought or consideration. I love Cobain's lyrics mocking folks like

this.

I wrote this before: it's agony for me to be around

the " uninitiated " at this point if the subject comes up, so you must

be made of stronger stuff than me for making it through without

burying her in the backyard. I'm at this point in learning things

that I'm desperate to be around people who know MORE, and it's

particularly painful to be around people who have a death grip on all

the " denial science " . Pharma and the CDC know what they're doing by

cranking out this endless stream of denial-studies. They're feeding

the people who'll hang on to anything if it supports their rationale

for not caring, for not doing anything, for pretending that it

doesn't effect them, for taking the road most travelled, etc..

> > > > >

> > > > > This past week has been too emotional for me. I've had a

hard

> > time

> > > > > sleeping. I've been reliving my kids fall into autism-even

> > > > looking

> > > > > at the before and after videos and pulling out the vaccine

> > records

> > > > > and matching them to the date stamp on the video. Just

today,

> > I

> > > > said

> > > > > I have to get away from all this. We have to be tough-for

our

> > > > kids.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I just knew there was a bio excuse for chocolate if I searched long

enough. Thanks for the rationale!

>

> > Lol, I agree with your treatment plan: 10,000 cc's of chocolate.

>

[Guest guest]

That's why I don't think we'll ever see any kind of testing done prior

to vaccines. They'd be setting themselves up!!

>

> What I'm waiting for is for a family (prefereably several) who get

> their kids mito tested BEFORE vax'ing, it comes back clean.. Then

> the Vax thinking it's safe, but the kid starts to regress anyway, and

> they do mito testing again and THIS time is comes back as disordered..

>

> That would shoot a really large hole in the goverenments foot on

> their pet theory of " pre-existing condition " (Of coure, Hannah's mito

> problem was genetic, but non-symptomatic, not 'mercury induced')

>

> Jim

>

[Guest guest]

I did indeed harsh her mellow! I couldn't agree more on the points that you

make. I just

had to take comfort in the fact that it would be years before I would see her

again, life's

too short, etc. and tried to make the most of it, fantasies of backyard burials

aside! LOL!

Heat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This past week has been too emotional for me. I've had a

> hard

> > > time

> > > > > > sleeping. I've been reliving my kids fall into autism-even

> > > > > looking

> > > > > > at the before and after videos and pulling out the vaccine

> > > records

> > > > > > and matching them to the date stamp on the video. Just

> today,

> > > I

> > > > > said

> > > > > > I have to get away from all this. We have to be tough-for

> our

> > > > > kids.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>