Sleeping/HELP

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, I wish I had some help or advice for you,but...

I know somewhat how you feel!which we have talked about before.But for everyone

else...

(DS) is my good sleeper and his twin Sloan (non DS) is NOT!!

I work full time and hubby stays home with them during the day.And I get the

night time wakings.She was waking every night any where from an half hour to 3

hours.I have gotten to the point that I needed sleep.I started taking Sloan to

bed with me when she wakes up during the night.She is going back to sleep with

me but I know this is not helping her or maybe it is helping her learn how to

put herself back to sleep but in my bed and not hers?????

Just wanted everyone to know you're not the only one NOT getting sleep.

~,moma to (DS) & Sloan {18 months}

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Hi ;

doesn't sleep much either. He goes to his room around 9:00pm

but doesn't fall asleep until at least an hour later. We tried keeping him up

later but he still likes to play around for a hour or two before crawling into

bed, pooping and falling asleep. I guess that is one thing he is good

about....he always gets back into bed before he goes to sleep.....I can't

remember ever finding him asleep on the floor. He use to go to daycare and they

would rub his back for an hour for him to only sleep half an hour.....it was

very frustrating for them and I give them credit for trying so hard.

Hi Everyone;

HELP....I have MAJOR sleeping and eating problems with my girls, nda.

I haven't sleep through the night in three years and I WANT SLEEP. Nicala,

's twin is better and besides having her sleep through the entire night

without waking, there isn't much more room for improvement. If she is sick, she

is up every 15 minutes...ALL night but otherwise she is up 1-2 times a night.

We never have to spend more then 1 or 2 minutes in the room which is fine. BUT

It took a LONG time to get her to that point and I am going through it all over

AGAIN with . is getting worse....not better. She is up every 1-2

hours all night, every night....and one of the times it takes 1-3 hours to get

her back to sleep....usually with the assistance of my husband. My husband has

been having to help with getting to sleep the past two weeks because I

just can't.....while its nice to have help I don't like having to wake my

husband up every time to get back to sleep because he isn't around alot

of nights....he works 24 hour shifts. How am I going to get her to sleep

without him around? I have tried letting her just cry....for two weeks and it

didn't work. Sometimes I am so exhausted I fall asleep while she is crying and

when I wake up three hours later she is still crying!!! What am I to do? I

can't believe that I have to go through this again when I already went through

it for almost 3 years with Nicala. I find myself questioning Gods motives, what

am I to gain from this?

Also.....Nicala doesn't eat.....I don't really know what I can do about

it except keep running around after her in the house with food in my hands. She

NEVER has breakfast, and then may have one to two bites of whatever we are

having for lunch & super. won't eat unless she feeds herself and I never

know if she gets enough....I think this may be why she doesn't sleep well, who

knows? If I try to feed she swats the spoon away and cries or puts her

hands in her mouth as she spits it out. Meal time is pure hell....its soooo

hectic. usually gets left in his chair the longest because he doesn't

complain.....he watches and eats. My husband tries to feed one girl and I the

other. Nicala spits her food out and whines, whines, whines ( " I want TV " , " I

want bottle " ). She takes her bib off and dumps the food on the floor....she

pushes everything we put in front of her onto the floor. Maybe feeding them

separately would work for getting more food into them BUT it takes three times

as long and I usually have whichever two I'm not feeding crawling up my legs.

I am more concerned about the sleeping (for my sake) then I am about

the eating just because and Nicala still seems to be good weights.

Nicala drinks alot and I don't know if gets enough because I am still

breast feeding her. She has sippy cups and bottles too....usually about 15

ounces a day.

Any miraculous advise would be appreciated;

, mom to Nicala & ,ds (almost 3) and (12 months)

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wrote:

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>

> Hi ;

> doesn't sleep much either. He goes to his room

> around 9:00pm but doesn't fall asleep until at least an hour

> later. We tried keeping him up later but he still likes to

> play around for a hour or two before crawling into bed,

> pooping and falling asleep. I guess that is one thing he is

> good about....he always gets back into bed before he goes to

> sleep.....I can't remember ever finding him asleep on the

> floor. He use to go to daycare and they would rub his back

> for an hour for him to only sleep half an hour.....it was

> very frustrating for them and I give them credit for trying

> so hard.

>

> Hi Everyone;

> HELP....I have MAJOR sleeping and eating problems with

> my girls, nda. I haven't sleep through the night in three

> years and I WANT SLEEP. Nicala, 's twin is better and

> besides having her sleep through the entire night without

> waking, there isn't much more room for improvement. If she

> is sick, she is up every 15 minutes...ALL night but

> otherwise she is up 1-2 times a night. We never have to

> spend more then 1 or 2 minutes in the room which is fine.

> BUT It took a LONG time to get her to that point and I am

> going through it all over AGAIN with . is

> getting worse....not better. She is up every 1-2 hours all

> night, every night....and one of the times it takes 1-3

> hours to get her back to sleep....usually with the

> assistance of my husband. My husband has been having to

> help with getting to sleep the past two weeks because

> I just can't.....while its nice to have help I don't like

> having to wake my husband up every time to get back

> to sleep because he isn't around alot of nights....he works

> 24 hour shifts. How am I going to get her to sleep without

> him around? I have tried letting her just cry....for two

> weeks and it didn't work. Sometimes I am so exhausted I

> fall asleep while she is crying and when I wake up three

> hours later she is still crying!!! What am I to do? I

> can't believe that I have to go through this again when I

> already went through it for almost 3 years with Nicala. I

> find myself questioning Gods motives, what am I to gain from

> this?

> Also.....Nicala doesn't eat.....I don't really know

> what I can do about it except keep running around after her

> in the house with food in my hands. She NEVER has

> breakfast, and then may have one to two bites of whatever we

> are having for lunch & super. won't eat unless she

> feeds herself and I never know if she gets enough....I think

> this may be why she doesn't sleep well, who knows? If I try

> to feed she swats the spoon away and cries or puts

> her hands in her mouth as she spits it out. Meal time is

> pure hell....its soooo hectic. usually gets left in

> his chair the longest because he doesn't complain.....he

> watches and eats. My husband tries to feed one girl and I

> the other. Nicala spits her food out and whines, whines,

> whines ( " I want TV " , " I want bottle " ). She takes her bib

> off and dumps the food on the floor....she pushes everything

> we put in front of her onto the floor. Maybe feeding them

> separately would work for getting more food into them BUT it

> takes three times as long and I usually have whichever two

> I'm not feeding crawling up my legs.

> I am more concerned about the sleeping (for my sake)

> then I am about the eating just because and Nicala

> still seems to be good weights. Nicala drinks alot and I

> don't know if gets enough because I am still breast

> feeding her. She has sippy cups and bottles too....usually

> about 15 ounces a day.

>

> Any miraculous advise would be appreciated;

> , mom to Nicala & ,ds (almost 3) and (12

> months)

,

I don't know if this is advice, but, my Jillian was 3 this past July.

She is also a " finiky " eater and a self made vegetarain, she will not

eat " good meat " , no chicken, just hot dogs. And she also just got

through months of getting up everynight too! BUT, the food problems I

don't make an issue of any more, I think she likes announcing that she

is done {after only 3-5 bites}and waiting for me to lose it! Now I don't

give in to that anymore, I just say OK, and make her clean her place

from the table, then she knows she isn't allowed any treats. Eating is

getting to be less of a problem{have to concentrate on the twins now

anyway}

Sleeping problems were due to the fact that we moved on a Fri. to a new

house{back in March} and had the twins on that Mon. Plus, she never game

to the hosp. to see me{due to Tara was taken to another hosp.} so what

I'm trying to say is Jillian doesn't really know what DS is or that Tara

was born with it, but she must have sensed something not right. When I

finally came home from the hosp with , then Tara the next day, the

night wakeing began.BUT when the twins finally started sleeping thru and

I could deal with Jillian better, I started not making that an issue

anymore either, just told her I wasn't getting up, she needed to go back

to her own bed. Slowly she got the idea, night waking has stopped now

too! hope this helps!

Gail mom to Bobby-5, Jillian-3, and Tara{Ds}7months

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Sleeping/HELP

Hi - I have just come back from a Montessori Conference and a lot of

what I attended was about behaviour. Since I have 4 children, it became so

clear to me that all of my kids are classic attention seekers. One in

particular, , is excellent at it and we all stand back and admire her

work!!! (Nicala sounds as impressive!) Being one of four, she is letting us

know that she wants her share of attention but unfortunately it manifests itself

as defiance etc, etc. Emma is an attention seeker too and if no-one takes any

notice of her she climbs on the table or throws food. Kids are masterful and

getting Mum and Dads attention. I love the kids at the supermarket who take

great delight in watching Mum squirm with a tantrum. I just walk away from mine

and don't give the little sweeties and audience!!!

It has been a crazy two weeks but I decided to ignore all the bad behaviour

and praise the good. Emma responds to this really well and although she still

throws food - she tells herself she's naughty and goes and picks up the food

herself! I used to get " Mum.....on just hit me! " In the 'old' days I

would say to on not to hit his sister but now I just say " I'm sorry you

two aren't getting along right now but I hope you will be able to soon! " They

now repeat that phrase with me if they come to me with a problem HAHAHAHA.They

know I'm not going to get involved in their fights. Food is not an issue I

wanted to be a problem so I give them food....if they eat, they eat. If they

don't, no big deal. I'm pretty sure that my kids won't allow themselves to

starve. Since yours are good weights, I wouldn't worry about them getting

enough especially ! If she has lots of wet nappies and her weight is

increasing then those are good signs that she is getting plenty.

I'm sorry, I have few suggestions re the sleeping problem which sounds blah!!!

The only technique I have ever used is by an Australian Ped called Controlled

Crying Technique whereby you go back and settle you child with a hug, nothing

else say " I'm leaving the room now and I'll be back soon to see if your'e OK " -

leave them room and return if still crying 5 minutes later, another

hug......return again 10 mins later...and keep extending the time. Never reward

the crying child with loads of attention because they learn that by crying they

are going to get lovely stuff. Be firm! on was terrible at going to bed

but after trying the technique, after 2 weeks he learned to settle himself. It

was a terrible 2 weeks but he learned that his crying wasn't going to get him

anywhere. Ofcourse if he was sick it was a different story! Now he's the best

sleeper. My sleep patterns have been altered so much, I'm an insomniac!! DRAT!

I just bought a book called " Becoming a Better Parent " by the man that gave the

lectures at the Conference....Haven't read it yet but if I come across anything

revolutionary I'll let you know!

Carolyn - Mum to on, , Emma (3 1/2 DS) and Nicki (2 1/2 DS)

Hi Everyone;

HELP....I have MAJOR sleeping and eating problems with my girls, nda.

I haven't sleep through the night in three years and I WANT SLEEP. Nicala,

's twin is better and besides having her sleep through the entire night

without waking, there isn't much more room for improvement. If she is sick, she

is up every 15 minutes...ALL night but otherwise she is up 1-2 times a night.

We never have to spend more then 1 or 2 minutes in the room which is fine. BUT

It took a LONG time to get her to that point and I am going through it all over

AGAIN with . is getting worse....not better. She is up every 1-2

hours all night, every night....and one of the times it takes 1-3 hours to get

her back to sleep....usually with the assistance of my husband. My husband has

been having to help with getting to sleep the past two weeks because I

just can't.....while its nice to have help I don't like having to wake my

husband up every time to get back to sleep because he isn't around alot

of nights....he works 24 hour shifts. How am I going to get her to sleep

without him around? I have tried letting her just cry....for two weeks and it

didn't work. Sometimes I am so exhausted I fall asleep while she is crying and

when I wake up three hours later she is still crying!!! What am I to do? I

can't believe that I have to go through this again when I already went through

it for almost 3 years with Nicala. I find myself questioning Gods motives, what

am I to gain from this?

Also.....Nicala doesn't eat.....I don't really know what I can do about

it except keep running around after her in the house with food in my hands. She

NEVER has breakfast, and then may have one to two bites of whatever we are

having for lunch & super. won't eat unless she feeds herself and I never

know if she gets enough....I think this may be why she doesn't sleep well, who

knows? If I try to feed she swats the spoon away and cries or puts her

hands in her mouth as she spits it out. Meal time is pure hell....its soooo

hectic. usually gets left in his chair the longest because he doesn't

complain.....he watches and eats. My husband tries to feed one girl and I the

other. Nicala spits her food out and whines, whines, whines ( " I want TV " , " I

want bottle " ). She takes her bib off and dumps the food on the floor....she

pushes everything we put in front of her onto the floor. Maybe feeding them

separately would work for getting more food into them BUT it takes three times

as long and I usually have whichever two I'm not feeding crawling up my legs.

I am more concerned about the sleeping (for my sake) then I am about

the eating just because and Nicala still seems to be good weights.

Nicala drinks alot and I don't know if gets enough because I am still

breast feeding her. She has sippy cups and bottles too....usually about 15

ounces a day.

Any miraculous advise would be appreciated;

, mom to Nicala & ,ds (almost 3) and (12 months)

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taking Sloan to bed with me when she wakes up during the night.She is going

back to sleep with me but I know this is not helping her or maybe it is

helping her learn how to put herself back to sleep but in my bed and not

hers?????

Hi ;

If it works!!! DO IT.....I have tried taking mine to bed with me and

it doesn't work....just wakes them up all the more. It did work with

for about the first 4-5 months. We lived in a different house then &

slept in my room, mostly in bed with me...stuck to my breast.....wasn't the

most comfortable sleeping arrangement BUT it worked...then.

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail;

Thanks for the advise and I do agree that Nicala probably makes such an

issue about eating to get attention....she knows it bothers my husband and

I. I try not to get worked up about it and let her down when she asks but

my husband has a harder time and tries reasoning with her ( " if you eat this,

then you can do that " ).

I don't know if I could reason with the way you did with Jillian

in the sleeping dept. She is only 12 months old.

is also difficult during the days too....she ALWAYS want ME

never Daddy.....for instance right now she is in hysterics because I am on

the computer and she wants me OFF and holding her.

Better go:

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Hi Carolyn;

I have tried that 5, 10, 15 minute thing with Nicala....it didn't work and

it made her cry all the more....to the point of hyperventilating. I haven't

tried it with because my suspicions are that she will do the same as

Nicala. Nicala is better now BUT she got really bad for a while....she would

slap us in the face when we went in her room if we didn't pick her up....once

she fell out of her crib head first.....that is my fear with . Maybe I

will try that 5,10, 15 minute thing with .

Do I have " sucker " written all over my face?

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Re: Sleeping/HELP

> From: " " <lauranra@...>

> is also difficult during the days too....she ALWAYS want ME

> never Daddy.....for instance right now she is in hysterics because I am on

> the computer and she wants me OFF and holding her.

Emma is the same....always wants me. Has anyone noticed how naughty the

kids can be when your trying to have a telephone conversation?!!!

Carolyn