Re: efficacy DMSA diminished by bolus zinc & mag on off days?

[Guest guest]

Tali, In the archives, message number 2798 from A. Cutler states: Minerals

shold never ever ever ever ever be stopped or even varied depending on

whether the kid is taking a chelator or not. The literature is exceptionally

clear on this for anyone who goes over the published numbers, or who goes

over the urine tests for people before and during chelation. I also recall

Dr. Holmes recommending no Zinc should be given while chelating - but only

on " off " days....so this represents a point of contention between these two

chelation experts.

Aly

[ ] efficacy DMSA diminished by bolus zinc & mag on

off days?

> Question for any and all --

>

> Due to DMSA binding to many metals in the system, with

> mercury being the most difficult to chelate, is it

> counter-productive (ie are we diminishing benefits of

> DMSA) by supplementing, under a physician's direction,

> with magnesium and zinc on " off " days (monday through

> thursday, chelating 50 mg DMSA 3X/day, Friday -

> Sunday)?

>

> Husband is concerned that we are countering our

> efforts by giving zinc and mag on off days (amino acid

> analysis indicates need for more magnesium and zinc --

> we also need to have an amino acid supplement

> compounded to include varying levels of cystine

> (cystine will need to be eliminated because of candida

> and methionine multiplied by 1.5), glutamine, glycine,

> histidine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine,

> threonine, tyrosine and tryptophan).

>

> Any info would be helpful.

>

> Thanks

>

> Tali

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

and all,

I believe that Dr. Holmes recommended taking three citramin II on the " on " days.

3

Citramin II have 21 mg of zinc.

Aly wrote:

> Tali, In the archives, message number 2798 from A. Cutler states: Minerals

> shold never ever ever ever ever be stopped or even varied depending on

> whether the kid is taking a chelator or not. The literature is exceptionally

> clear on this for anyone who goes over the published numbers, or who goes

> over the urine tests for people before and during chelation. I also recall

> Dr. Holmes recommending no Zinc should be given while chelating - but only

> on " off " days....so this represents a point of contention between these two

> chelation experts.

[Guest guest]

, Tali: I recently attended a Thorne conference and in answer to my

question about giving zinc along with DMSA Dr. Walter Crinnion said zinc is so

involved in so many processes that he never stops it; that DMSA will bind to the

lead and mercury much sooner and we need the zinc throughout the process. At

this time, I choose to not stop zinc. Jaquelyn

Aly wrote:

> Tali, In the archives, message number 2798 from A. Cutler states: Minerals

> shold never ever ever ever ever be stopped or even varied depending on

> whether the kid is taking a chelator or not. The literature is exceptionally

> clear on this for anyone who goes over the published numbers, or who goes

> over the urine tests for people before and during chelation. I also recall

> Dr. Holmes recommending no Zinc should be given while chelating - but only

> on " off " days....so this represents a point of contention between these two

> chelation experts.

> Aly

> [ ] efficacy DMSA diminished by bolus zinc & mag on

> off days?

>

> > Question for any and all --

> >

> > Due to DMSA binding to many metals in the system, with

> > mercury being the most difficult to chelate, is it

> > counter-productive (ie are we diminishing benefits of

> > DMSA) by supplementing, under a physician's direction,

> > with magnesium and zinc on " off " days (monday through

> > thursday, chelating 50 mg DMSA 3X/day, Friday -

> > Sunday)?

> >

> > Husband is concerned that we are countering our

> > efforts by giving zinc and mag on off days (amino acid

> > analysis indicates need for more magnesium and zinc --

> > we also need to have an amino acid supplement

> > compounded to include varying levels of cystine

> > (cystine will need to be eliminated because of candida

> > and methionine multiplied by 1.5), glutamine, glycine,

> > histidine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine,

> > threonine, tyrosine and tryptophan).

> >

> > Any info would be helpful.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Tali

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for your response. I just called my

husband and read the answer to him. He said

" excellent, print it " or words to that effect. I

think he wants to have a name of a doc to discuss this

issue with our doc.

Thanks again. You guys are an outstanding source of

information for these obscure questions.

Tali

--- Jaquelyn McCandless <JMcCandless@...>

wrote:

> , Tali: I recently attended a Thorne

> conference and in answer to my

> question about giving zinc along with DMSA Dr.

> Walter Crinnion said zinc is so

> involved in so many processes that he never stops

> it; that DMSA will bind to the

> lead and mercury much sooner and we need the zinc

> throughout the process. At

> this time, I choose to not stop zinc. Jaquelyn

>

> Aly wrote:

>

> > Tali, In the archives, message number 2798 from A.

> Cutler states: Minerals

> > shold never ever ever ever ever be stopped or even

> varied depending on

> > whether the kid is taking a chelator or not. The

> literature is exceptionally

> > clear on this for anyone who goes over the

> published numbers, or who goes

> > over the urine tests for people before and during

> chelation. I also recall

> > Dr. Holmes recommending no Zinc should be given

> while chelating - but only

> > on " off " days....so this represents a point of

> contention between these two

> > chelation experts.

> > Aly

> > [ ] efficacy DMSA diminished

> by bolus zinc & mag on

> > off days?

> >

> > > Question for any and all --

> > >

> > > Due to DMSA binding to many metals in the

> system, with

> > > mercury being the most difficult to chelate, is

> it

> > > counter-productive (ie are we diminishing

> benefits of

> > > DMSA) by supplementing, under a physician's

> direction,

> > > with magnesium and zinc on " off " days (monday

> through

> > > thursday, chelating 50 mg DMSA 3X/day, Friday -

> > > Sunday)?

> > >

> > > Husband is concerned that we are countering our

> > > efforts by giving zinc and mag on off days

> (amino acid

> > > analysis indicates need for more magnesium and

> zinc --

> > > we also need to have an amino acid supplement

> > > compounded to include varying levels of cystine

> > > (cystine will need to be eliminated because of

> candida

> > > and methionine multiplied by 1.5), glutamine,

> glycine,

> > > histidine, leucine, lysine, methionine,

> phenylalanine,

> > > threonine, tyrosine and tryptophan).

> > >

> > > Any info would be helpful.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Tali

> > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jaquelyn,

Thank you so much for mentioning this question to Dr. Crinnion. I have not

stopped giving zinc during chelation but I have found that it can really

upset his stomach about 30 minutes after giving the pill (usually at

night).

I think I will try dividing it and giving it with meals - It is Zinc

Picolinate from metagenics and the pill contains:

100mg of raw pancreas concentrate, 80 mg of picolinic acid, 20 mg of zinc

(zinc picolinate) , and 10 mg of B6. Thank you so much again for your

concern and reply.

Much appreciated.

Aly

[ ] efficacy DMSA diminished by bolus zinc & mag

on

> > off days?

> >

> > > Question for any and all --

> > >

> > > Due to DMSA binding to many metals in the system, with

> > > mercury being the most difficult to chelate, is it

> > > counter-productive (ie are we diminishing benefits of

> > > DMSA) by supplementing, under a physician's direction,

> > > with magnesium and zinc on " off " days (monday through

> > > thursday, chelating 50 mg DMSA 3X/day, Friday -

> > > Sunday)?

> > >

> > > Husband is concerned that we are countering our

> > > efforts by giving zinc and mag on off days (amino acid

> > > analysis indicates need for more magnesium and zinc --

> > > we also need to have an amino acid supplement

> > > compounded to include varying levels of cystine

> > > (cystine will need to be eliminated because of candida

> > > and methionine multiplied by 1.5), glutamine, glycine,

> > > histidine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine,

> > > threonine, tyrosine and tryptophan).

> > >

> > > Any info would be helpful.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Tali

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, Sara, I think I should do that and next week will try a change and

observe. Thanks for your suggestion.

Aly

Re: [ ] efficacy DMSA diminished by bolus zinc & mag

> on off days?

>

>

> > Jaquelyn,

> > Thank you so much for mentioning this question to Dr. Crinnion. I have

> not

> > stopped giving zinc during chelation but I have found that it can really

> > upset his stomach about 30 minutes after giving the pill (usually at

> > night).

> > I think I will try dividing it and giving it with meals - It is Zinc

> > Picolinate from metagenics and the pill contains:

> > 100mg of raw pancreas concentrate, 80 mg of picolinic acid, 20 mg of

> zinc

> > (zinc picolinate) , and 10 mg of B6. Thank you so much again for

your

> > concern and reply.

> > Much appreciated.

> > Aly

>

> , why not try plain zinc picolinate without pancreas which may be

what

> is upsetting his stomach?

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

and Sara,

I always give minerals with food because they upset my stomach horribly

when I take them on an empty one. I also think, , your idea of

dividing the Zinc up into smaller doses is a good one, too. Anything that

will make it easier for the child! since we'll be doing this for a

relatively long time!

Re: [ ] efficacy DMSA diminished by bolus zinc &

mag

> > on off days?

> >

> >

> > > Jaquelyn,

> > > Thank you so much for mentioning this question to Dr. Crinnion. I

have

> > not

> > > stopped giving zinc during chelation but I have found that it can

really

> > > upset his stomach about 30 minutes after giving the pill (usually at

> > > night).

> > > I think I will try dividing it and giving it with meals - It is Zinc

> > > Picolinate from metagenics and the pill contains:

> > > 100mg of raw pancreas concentrate, 80 mg of picolinic acid, 20 mg of

> > zinc

> > > (zinc picolinate) , and 10 mg of B6. Thank you so much again for

> your

> > > concern and reply.

> > > Much appreciated.

> > > Aly

> >

> > , why not try plain zinc picolinate without pancreas which may be

> what

> > is upsetting his stomach?

> >

> > Sara

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Re: [ ] efficacy DMSA diminished by bolus zinc & mag

on off days?

> Jaquelyn,

> Thank you so much for mentioning this question to Dr. Crinnion. I have

not

> stopped giving zinc during chelation but I have found that it can really

> upset his stomach about 30 minutes after giving the pill (usually at

> night).

> I think I will try dividing it and giving it with meals - It is Zinc

> Picolinate from metagenics and the pill contains:

> 100mg of raw pancreas concentrate, 80 mg of picolinic acid, 20 mg of

zinc

> (zinc picolinate) , and 10 mg of B6. Thank you so much again for your

> concern and reply.

> Much appreciated.

> Aly

, why not try plain zinc picolinate without pancreas which may be what

is upsetting his stomach?

Sara