Re: THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!

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False dichotomy. Public health related " science " is by definition

political, especially vaccine alibi research.

Declared conflict of interest: I have a son with autism.

> and there is no study that doesn't conclusively link thimerosal to

autism.

> This is politics-not science at this point

>

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On which side are you saying the science is settled?

> > > >

> > > > I am starting a new thread about this because

> > it simply cannot

> > be

> > > > allowed to die down.

> > > >

> > > > (To the legal eagles: Can this decision be

> > overturned? )

> > > >

> > > > http://sev.prnewswire.com/health-care-

> > > > hospitals/20080114/NYM093A14012008-1.html

> > > >

> > > > MADISON, N.J., Jan. 14 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/

> > -- Wyeth (NYSE:

> > WYE)

> > > > announced today that The Honorable Stuart R.

> > Berger of the

> > Circuit

> > > > Court for Baltimore City in Baltimore,

> > land, has granted

> > > Wyeth's

> > > > motion to preclude plaintiffs' expert witnesses

> > in an alleged

> > > vaccine

> > > > injury case from testifying that exposure to

> > thimerosal-

> > containing

> > > > vaccines can cause autism. The court's

> > decision, in the case of

> > > > Blackwell, et al. v. Sigma Aldrich, Inc., et

> > al., followed a 10-

> > > day

> > > > evidentiary hearing held last August.

> > > >

> > > > Judge Berger found that " thimerosal in vaccines

> > does not cause

> > or

> > > > contribute to neurodevelopmental disorders such

> > as autism, "

> > noting

> > > > that " it is generally accepted in the relevant

> > scientific

> > > community

> > > > that autism is genetic in origin except in rare

> > instances of

> > > prenatal

> > > > exposures to certain substances at defined

> > periods during

> > > pregnancy. "

> > > >

> > > > Judge Berger held that plaintiffs had failed to

> > show that the

> > > > methodologies underlying their expert

> > witnesses' opinions are

> > > > generally accepted as reliable in the

> > scientific community. He

> > > also

> > > > held that plaintiffs' expert witnesses were not

> > qualified " by

> > > > knowledge, skill, experience, training or

> > education " or that

> > they

> > > > could not set forth a sufficient factual basis

> > to support the

> > > > causation opinions that plaintiffs wished to

> > present to the jury.

> > > >

> > > > " We believe that the court's decision is in

> > complete accord with

> > > the

> > > > overwhelming scientific evidence that there is

> > no link between

> > > > vaccines and autism. The court correctly

> > applied land law to

> > > bar

> > > > unfounded opinion testimony on scientific

> > issues, " says

> > J.

> > > > ch, lead trial counsel for Wyeth in this

> > litigation, who

> > is

> > > a

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Pat Howregan,

1. YES, Thimerosal is long-term toxic to the

human brain at levels above 0.001 part-per-

million (ppm), a level 100,000 times lower

than the 100-ppm level in a vaccine that is

" preserved " with 0.01% Thimerosal.

2. The mercury from Thimerosal that gets trapped

in the human brain has a half-life of about

2 decades.

3. To answer the question you are asking TODAY,

as anyone should, about the effects of

giving a pregnant woman a Thimerosal-preserved

Rho serum injection at about 28 weeks of

pregnancy on the in utero child, you should

go to the CoMeD web site:

http://www.mercury-freedrugs.org

and read the Geiers recently published

retrospective study of the effect of injecting

Rho serum into pregnant women that establishes

the evidence of risk of harm and causal link

to the harm observed that was not available to

science in 2004 (and, by the way, please do also

read the biased Rho study by et al. and

do tell us how the study was " tricked up " to

give the desired " no statistically significant "

causal link finding (hint: case exclusion as

well as the inclusion of mothers who would have

been given Rho serum shots that were Thimerosal

free -- after all, in a retrospective " cause and

effect " study, the easiest way to reduce the

magnnitude of the effect is to include cases

where the causal factor being studied is absent

in the " test " group and to exclude those cases

where the magnitude of the causal factor is the

greatest [multiple Rho shots during pregnancy in

this case]).

4. In the 2004 legal case, the KEY question was

whether not the Thimerosal mercury in a Rho product

administered during pregnancy was linked autism.

5. Based on the preceding realities and the studies

published by Geier DA and Geier MR since 2004,

it is clear that you are a provacateur who is

attempting to slander Dr. Geier's good name

because you do not like the scientific findings

that his published studies continue to report.

Based on all of the proceeding, it seems to this

member of EoH that you are a lurker and because

your conduct [as evidenced in your repeated posts,

indicates that your interests are in personal

attack and slandering others by inference, inuendo

and other means] is at odds with EoH list policy,

you (and your friends) should be encouraged to post

elsewhere.

Hopefully, the list moderators will see your

posts for what they are and appropriately address

your repeated attempts to discredit Dr. Geier

rather than to provide proof that his research

findings are somehow false.

Further, why is it that those, like yourself, who

cannot attack the validity of the research so often

resort to attacking the researcher?

Finally, I glad you reported that " Geier answered

truthfully. "

Respectfully,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

PS: Please do read Heinonen et al.,

" Birth Defects and Drugs in Pregnancy "

(1977) and do tell us why we should

discount their findings, reported in

the text and Appendices " 4 " and " 5, "

of a statistically significant increased

relative risk of birth defects in the

child WHEN, in a government-sponsored

study of 50,000+ pregnant women, the

drugs they were given, and the birth

defects observed in the children of

these mothers (pregnant during the period

from 1958 to 1965?), about 2300 pregnant

women out of the 50,000+ in the study were

given an influenza vaccine shot (all of

which were Thimerosal-preserved then)

DURING pregnancy.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

At 08:11 1/22/08 -0800, you wrote:

>

>Yes, thimerosal at and above certain does

>is certainly neurotoxic. But in the 2004

>court case (involving RhoGam), the question

>was whether thimerosal, as administered,

>causes autism. Geier answered truthfully -

>that he could not name a single study linking

>thimerosal to autism. If you read the transcript,

>Geier also said he couldn't cite a single

>study linking mercury to autism.

>

>When he's not under oath, Geier tells his

>patients something else. Where's the outrage,

people?

>

>

>

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Considering that " Pat " is an ND plant ... take a guess as to his/her

side?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am starting a new thread about this because

> > > it simply cannot

> > > be

> > > > > allowed to die down.

> > > > >

> > > > > (To the legal eagles: Can this decision be

> > > overturned? )

> > > > >

> > > > > http://sev.prnewswire.com/health-care-

> > > > > hospitals/20080114/NYM093A14012008-1.html

> > > > >

> > > > > MADISON, N.J., Jan. 14 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/

> > > -- Wyeth (NYSE:

> > > WYE)

> > > > > announced today that The Honorable Stuart R.

> > > Berger of the

> > > Circuit

> > > > > Court for Baltimore City in Baltimore,

> > > land, has granted

> > > > Wyeth's

> > > > > motion to preclude plaintiffs' expert witnesses

> > > in an alleged

> > > > vaccine

> > > > > injury case from testifying that exposure to

> > > thimerosal-

> > > containing

> > > > > vaccines can cause autism. The court's

> > > decision, in the case of

> > > > > Blackwell, et al. v. Sigma Aldrich, Inc., et

> > > al., followed a 10-

> > > > day

> > > > > evidentiary hearing held last August.

> > > > >

> > > > > Judge Berger found that " thimerosal in vaccines

> > > does not cause

> > > or

> > > > > contribute to neurodevelopmental disorders such

> > > as autism, "

> > > noting

> > > > > that " it is generally accepted in the relevant

> > > scientific

> > > > community

> > > > > that autism is genetic in origin except in rare

> > > instances of

> > > > prenatal

> > > > > exposures to certain substances at defined

> > > periods during

> > > > pregnancy. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Judge Berger held that plaintiffs had failed to

> > > show that the

> > > > > methodologies underlying their expert

> > > witnesses' opinions are

> > > > > generally accepted as reliable in the

> > > scientific community. He

> > > > also

> > > > > held that plaintiffs' expert witnesses were not

> > > qualified " by

> > > > > knowledge, skill, experience, training or

> > > education " or that

> > > they

> > > > > could not set forth a sufficient factual basis

> > > to support the

> > > > > causation opinions that plaintiffs wished to

> > > present to the jury.

> > > > >

> > > > > " We believe that the court's decision is in

> > > complete accord with

> > > > the

> > > > > overwhelming scientific evidence that there is

> > > no link between

> > > > > vaccines and autism. The court correctly

> > > applied land law to

> > > > bar

> > > > > unfounded opinion testimony on scientific

> > > issues, " says

> > > J.

> > > > > ch, lead trial counsel for Wyeth in this

> > > litigation, who

> > > is

> > > > a

> > > > > partner at Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP.

> > > > >

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Lenny,

As I recall, I had to write a little blurb about why I wanted to join

this list...any recollection of what Pat wrote? It's not possible that

Pat (gasp!)- LIED, is it?

>

> Whoa! Don't kill the messenger. I'm just telling you what Geier told

a judge in 2004. If there are plenty of studies as you suggest, then

why didn't Geier cite them?

>

> My point is that there's not much that a judge can do during Daubert

when an expert witness folds like Geier did.

>

>

>

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, why are you afraid of me? How am I threatening you or anybody on this list? I haven't resorted to name calling like some, and I have tried to present truthful, accurate information. Does everybody have to agree with you? Elsass <elsass@...> wrote: Lenny, As I recall, I had to write a little blurb about why I wanted to join this list...any recollection of what Pat wrote? It's not possible that Pat (gasp!)- LIED, is it? > > Whoa! Don't kill the messenger. I'm just telling you what Geier told a judge in 2004. If there are plenty of studies as you suggest, then why didn't Geier cite them? > > My point is that there's not much that a judge can do during Daubert when an expert witness folds like Geier did. > > >

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I am outraged that you use this list as your personal 'bash Dr.

Geier' list.

Intimidated much?

> > >

> > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single

study

> > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else can a

judge

> > do after hearing that from the plaintiff's own expert witness?

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Pat, Dr. Geier is a good man, a good researcher and one of the better biomed

docs I've

worked with in getting help for my daughter. And... HE BILLS INSURANCE so I

don't have to

spend any more of my dwindling nest egg. (Biomed is great, but so much is out of

pocket... as is the majority of the behavioral therapies our kids need.)

Just because he has to factually state that there are no studies to CONCLUSIVELY

prove

causation... doesn't mean that there isn't a large body of studies to show that

the crap

they're poisoning our kids with isn't causing damage. And Dr. Geier has

personally done a

lot of science (both epidemiological and clinical) to show that these kids have

suffered

damage from their vaccines.

My outrage isn't pointed at Dr. Geier. It is pointed at the CDC and any scared

ostrich who

won't pull their head out of the sand to see WHO IT TRULY IS that is endangering

their

children: The Big Pharma Machine.

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> > > >

> > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single

> study

> > > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else can a

> judge

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I am outraged that you use this list as your personsal 'bash evidence based medicine' list.But not surprised.soapforum <soapforum@...> wrote: I am outraged that you use this list as your personal 'bash Dr. Geier' list. Intimidated much? > > > > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single study > > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else can a judge > > do after hearing that from the plaintiff's own expert witness? > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. >

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I repeat my praise for Dr. Geier and his son . They have

helped my family immensely...

> > > >

> > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single

> study

> > > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else can

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We all have opinions, and we're all free to share them. Right?We are also free to share facts. To wit: Dr. Geier is currently being investigated by the land State Medical board. Is there really such a thing as "bad information", as long as the information is true? Hooker <brian@...> wrote: I repeat my praise for Dr. Geier and his son . They have helped my family immensely... > > > > > > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single > study > > > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else can a > judge > > > do after hearing that from the plaintiff's own expert witness? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss

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Yawn - My local DAN! doc was investigated by our state medical board

as well. Guess I'm batting two for two.

> > > > >

> > > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a

single

> > study

> > > > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else

can

> a

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> > > > do after hearing that from the plaintiff's own expert

> witness?

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Fundamental Principle of American Justice:  Innocent until proven guilty.Another principle: a complaint is merely an accusation and may have no substance or support, whatsoever. Any person can make a complaint against a medical doctor. Being investigated carries no weight whatsoever. Absent proof, the only purpose to publishing the fact that a medial doctor is "being investigated" is to unfairly and maliciously damage that medical doctor's reputation and to intimidate him and those around him. You can share whatever you like and express your opinion for whatever purpose you like, but the information you share regarding Dr. Geier amounts to nothing.On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Pat Howregan wrote:We all have opinions, and we're all free to share them. Right?We are also free to share facts. To wit: Dr. Geier is currently being investigated by the land State Medical board. Is there really such a thing as "bad information", as long as the information is true?  Hooker <briandream-big (DOT) us> wrote:I repeat my praise for Dr. Geier and his son . They have helped my family immensely...> > > >> > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single > study > > > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else can a > judge > > > do after hearing that from the plaintiff's own expert witness?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with  Mobile. Try it now.>Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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It looks like being professionally threatened and harassed is pretty

much a badge of honor in the fight against Big Pharm.

Being lurked on and spuriously reported on by the ND spazi is more

like one of those Boyscout nature challenge merit patches. Still a

form of recognition for work well done but you had to get a poison

ivy rash on your a$$ to earn it.

Breggin went on television about a decade ago and warned that

SSRIs trigger suicidality and violence. At the clear behest of

pharma, the National Alliance of the Mentally Ill- the mental illness

predecessor of AS, in terms of drug company front-group status--

tried to sue Breggin for his license. The charge was that his

statements would cause people to stop or never to start taking SSRI

antidepressants (there's a town in Colorado that wishes '

parents had heard the news). NAMI failed when the international

psychiatric reform community poured out to defend Breggin.

Now there are black box warnings on SSRIs and news of a slew of

school shootings, murders, bizarre acts and suicides related

inextricably to the drugs. What did the charges against Breggin mean?

Only that pharma profits were threatened by Breggin and his

organization and that the industry complex had garnered an

inconceivable amount of power. Sometimes a measure of how right

someone is can be taken from the size of the gale storm against them.

Someone who'd been very close to the situation remarked to me that,

had Breggin made more of a dent in pharma profits, he'd be more than

just tiresomely harassed, he'd be dead. I suppose he can thank the

lousy embedded press for making his work less effective and " denting "

than it might have been all along.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single

> > > study

> > > > > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else can

> > a

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I love credible scientific evidence Matt/Margaret/Autism Diva/Casey.

All we will ever see from any of you is conflict of interest laden

stories; not true and/or incomplete scientific results.....which

isn't evidence of anything but conflict of interest and corrupt

depts. of the govt. Your mothers must be sooooooooo proud. You

represent your employers well.

You guys are so obvious. Flame, deflect, distort.....get sued?

> > > >

> > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single

> study

> > > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else can

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They are so intimidated by him. If she/he really cared about the

autism epidemic, he/she would be celebrating him and his good works

instead of casting aspersions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single

> > > study

> > > > > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else can

> > a

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Statistcal manipulation hardly qualifies as evidence.

You are either a planted shill or a fool. Which is

it?

Re: THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: " Pat Howregan " pathow73clp@...

pathow73clp

Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:04 pm (PST)

I am outraged that you use this list as your personsal

'bash evidence based medicine' list.

But not surprised.

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I agree. That's why it's hard for me to take accusations against the CDC seriously when Prof. Boyd Haley says (as he recently told a judge) that the CDC and FDA should be held criminally liable. Any person make a complaint like that." J. Krakow" <rkrakow@...> wrote: Fundamental Principle of American Justice: Innocent until proven guilty.Another principle: a complaint is merely an accusation and may have no substance or support, whatsoever. Any person can make a complaint against a medical doctor. Being investigated carries no weight whatsoever. Absent proof, the only purpose to publishing the fact that a medial doctor is "being investigated" is to unfairly and maliciously damage that medical doctor's reputation and to intimidate him and those around him. You can share whatever you like and express your opinion for whatever purpose you like, but the information you share regarding Dr. Geier amounts to nothing.On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Pat Howregan wrote:We all have opinions, and we're all free to share them. Right?We are also free to share facts. To wit: Dr. Geier is currently being investigated by the land State Medical board. Is there really such a thing as "bad information", as long as the information is true? Hooker <briandream-big (DOT) us> wrote:I repeat my praise for Dr. Geier and his son . They have helped my family immensely...> > > >> > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single > study > > > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else can a > judge > > > do after hearing that from the plaintiff's own expert witness?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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" Fundamental Principle of American Justice: Innocent until proven

guilty. "

" Another principle: a complaint is merely an accusation and may have

no substance or support, whatsoever. "

Interesting you should say that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single

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Hardly suprising. Galileo was imprisoned for heresy

as well.

Why do you keep bothering? Are you a masochist? Or

just trying to earn your CDC paycheck?

Re: THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: " Pat Howregan " pathow73clp@...

pathow73clp

Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:19 pm (PST)

We all have opinions, and we're all free to share

them. Right?

We are also free to share facts. To wit: Dr. Geier is

currently being investigated by the land State

Medical board.

Is there really such a thing as " bad information " , as

long as the information is true?

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I think most of us here agree this post/poster is trying to stir the pot, why are we encouraging it? All that is happening is people are getting heartburn and reaching for the antacids. And I thought we were against that. Dad Fourkids <dad_4_kids@...> wrote: Statistcal manipulation hardly qualifies as evidence.You are either a planted shill or a fool. Which isit?Re: THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: "Pat Howregan" pathow73clp pathow73clp Fri

Jan 25, 2008 1:04 pm (PST) I am outraged that you use this list as your personsal'bash evidence based medicine' list.But not surprised.__________________________________________________________Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs

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Digestive Enzymes work better. Re: Re: THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!

I think most of us here agree this post/poster is trying to stir the pot, why are we encouraging it? All that is happening is people are getting heartburn and reaching for the antacids. And I thought we were against that. Dad Fourkids <dad_4_kids (DOT) com> wrote: Statistcal manipulation hardly qualifies as evidence.You are either a planted shill or a fool. Which isit?Re: THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!! !!!!!!!!! Posted by: "Pat Howregan" pathow73clp pathow73clp Fri

Jan 25, 2008 1:04 pm (PST) I am outraged that you use this list as your personsal'bash evidence based medicine' list.But not surprised.____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www.. com/r/hs

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Dadfourkids: you're correct. How many news stories have we seen lately about pharmaceutical companies manipulatingdata. And I seem to recall the Denmark autism (MMR?) study where they diluted the results with more kids after not gettingthe results they needed. "statistical manipulation" is exactly what I would call it. Re: THIS IS

OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!

Statistcal manipulation hardly qualifies as evidence.

You are either a planted shill or a fool. Which is

it?

Re: THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!! !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: "Pat Howregan" pathow73clp

pathow73clp

Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:04 pm (PST)

I am outraged that you use this list as your personsal

'bash evidence based medicine' list.

But not surprised.

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LOL!Rksd y <rksdreedy@...> wrote: Digestive Enzymes work better. Re:

Re: THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!! I think most of us here agree this post/poster is trying to stir the pot, why are we encouraging it? All that is happening is people are getting heartburn and reaching for the antacids. And I thought we were against that. Dad Fourkids <dad_4_kids (DOT) com> wrote: Statistcal manipulation hardly qualifies as evidence.You are either a planted shill or a fool. Which isit?Re: THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!! !!!!!!!!! Posted by: "Pat Howregan" pathow73clp pathow73clp Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:04 pm (PST) I am outraged that you use this list as your personsal'bash evidence based medicine' list.But not

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You are changing the subject and slipping out of the issue of why you cited the the nonprobative  "fact" that Dr. Geier is "being investigated."But I take it from your response that your publication of the "investigation" of Dr. Geier was inappropriate, because you equate it with other allegations that you consider spurious.Thank you for your concession that your proffer of "fact" about Dr. Geier is equally spurious, unfounded and irrelevant.On Jan 25, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Pat Howregan wrote:I agree. That's why it's hard for me to take accusations against the CDC seriously when Prof. Boyd Haley says (as he recently told a judge) that the CDC and FDA should be held criminally liable. Any person make a complaint like that." J. Krakow" <rkrakowearthlink (DOT) net> wrote:Fundamental Principle of American Justice:  Innocent until proven guilty.Another principle: a complaint is merely an accusation and may have no substance or support, whatsoever. Any person can make a complaint against a medical doctor. Being investigated carries no weight whatsoever. Absent proof, the only purpose to publishing the fact that a medial doctor is "being investigated" is to unfairly and maliciously damage that medical doctor's reputation and to intimidate him and those around him. You can share whatever you like and express your opinion for whatever purpose you like, but the information you share regarding Dr. Geier amounts to nothing.On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Pat Howregan wrote:We all have opinions, and we're all free to share them. Right?We are also free to share facts. To wit: Dr. Geier is currently being investigated by the land State Medical board. Is there really such a thing as "bad information", as long as the information is true?  Hooker <briandream-big (DOT) us> wrote:I repeat my praise for Dr. Geier and his son . They have helped my family immensely...> > > >> > > > Geier told a judge in 2004 that he couldn't name a single > study > > > that conclusively links thimerosal to autism. What else can a > judge > > > do after hearing that from the plaintiff's own expert witness?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with  Mobile. Try it now.>Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.