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Kirby says that the government "Conceded" to one of the pending test cases of the autism hearings. What does this all mean and isn't this a pretty big deal if I'm reading it correctly?

Chrissy

Kirby: The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/the-autismvaccine-debate_b_74853.html

Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just go away: You lost.

Exactly five years ago, I began research for my book Evidence of Harm, which looked into the possible link between mercury, vaccines and the tsunami of autism that now overwhelms our education system.

Along the way, I have encountered many people -- in the government, in medical circles, in the media, on the Internet - who are furious at my attempts to shed light on this controversy, and utterly contemptuous of parents, doctors and anyone else who supports research into the hypothesized link between autism and vaccines.

Many of these people, incredibly, still insist that autism is purely a genetic disorder with no known "cause" and probably no cureThey blithely claim that autism has always been with us, in the same epidemic numbers we see today, (If you're the parent of a young boy in New Jersey, by the way, you now face 1-in-60 odds of a diagnosis), we just never noticed, or else counted those kids as "quirky," or possibly retarded.

Even officials at the CDC, who traced an e-coli outbreak to a single patch of California spinach within months, cannot say if autism is actually on the increase or not.

Some experts, however, are beginning to understand that autism is clearly on the rise and, thus, must have an environmental component, coupled with a genetic underpinningBut they insist that vaccines or their ingredients (ie, mercury, live measles virus, aluminum) have nothing to do with the epidemic

They really, really want this vexing vaccine chatter to cease ...

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Chrissy, They conceded to the fact that thimerosal made a bad condition worse. They did not concede to the fact that thimerosal caused autism. Some feel it was a safe move on their part to concede this case--safer this way than taking it any further. So I guess one could look at it as a good thing--but not a great thing. Don't know how to say it any better. Hope this helps you. Maurinechrzeerose@... wrote: chrzeerose has just sent you a piece from HuffingtonPost.com Kirby says that the government "Conceded" to one of the pending test cases of the autism hearings. What does this all mean and isn't this a pretty big deal if I'm reading it correctly? Chrissy Kirby: The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/the-autismvaccine-debate_b_74853.html Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just go away: You lost. Exactly five years ago, I began research for my book Evidence of Harm, which looked into the possible link between mercury, vaccines and the tsunami

of autism that now overwhelms our education system. Along the way, I have encountered many people -- in the government, in medical circles, in the media, on the Internet - who are furious at my attempts to shed light on this controversy, and utterly contemptuous of parents, doctors and anyone else who supports research into the hypothesized link between autism and vaccines. Many of these people, incredibly, still insist that autism is purely a genetic disorder with no known "cause" and probably no cureThey blithely claim that autism has always been with us, in the same epidemic numbers we see today, (If you're the parent of a young boy in New Jersey, by the way, you now face 1-in-60 odds of a diagnosis), we just never noticed, or else counted those kids as "quirky," or possibly retarded. Even officials at the CDC, who traced an e-coli outbreak to a single patch of California spinach within months, cannot say if autism is actually on the increase or not. Some experts,

however, are beginning to understand that autism is clearly on the rise and, thus, must have an environmental component, coupled with a genetic underpinningBut they insist that vaccines or their ingredients (ie, mercury, live measles virus, aluminum) have nothing to do with the epidemic They really, really want this vexing vaccine chatter to cease ... Read the rest at HuffingtonPost.com © 2007 HuffingtonPost.com, LLC

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Thank you. I guess it's just another way to try to keep the issue

quiet.

Chrissy

> chrzeerose@... has just sent you a piece from

HuffingtonPost.com

> Kirby says that the government " Conceded " to one of the

pending test cases of the autism hearings. What does this all mean

and isn't this a pretty big deal if I'm reading it correctly?

Chrissy Kirby: The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over

> Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/the-

autismvaccine-debate_b_74853.html

> Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine contretemps to just

go away: You lost. Exactly five years ago, I began research for my

book Evidence of Harm, which looked into the possible link between

mercury, vaccines and the tsunami of autism that now overwhelms our

education system. Along the way, I have encountered many people --

in the government, in medical circles, in the media, on the

Internet - who are furious at my attempts to shed light on this

controversy, and utterly contemptuous of parents, doctors and anyone

else who supports research into the hypothesized link between autism

and vaccines. Many of these people, incredibly, still insist that

autism is purely a genetic disorder with no known " cause " and

probably no cureThey blithely claim that autism has always been with

us, in the same epidemic numbers we see today, (If you're the parent

of a young boy in New Jersey, by the way, you now face 1-in-60 odds

of a diagnosis), we just never noticed, or else counted

> those kids as " quirky, " or possibly retarded. Even officials at

the CDC, who traced an e-coli outbreak to a single patch of

California spinach within months, cannot say if autism is actually

on the increase or not. Some experts, however, are beginning to

understand that autism is clearly on the rise and, thus, must have

an environmental component, coupled with a genetic underpinningBut

they insist that vaccines or their ingredients (ie, mercury, live

measles virus, aluminum) have nothing to do with the epidemic They

really, really want this vexing vaccine chatter to cease ... Read

the rest at HuffingtonPost.com

> © 2007 HuffingtonPost.com, LLC

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Chrissy, Maureen and ALL OTHERS,

Factually,

1. The government conceded one of the original

three (3) " Thimerosal causes autism " test

cases: Hannah Poling v. Sec HHS (vaccine

court case 02-1466V) and yet Kirby

did NOT name the case or state that it was

a " Thimerosal causes autism " test case as:

a. Selected by the plaintiffs' attorneys in

the Autism Omnibus and

b. Agreed to by the DOJ's attorneys for the

respondent, Sec. HHS.

2. As Kirby reported, " 'In this case, the

DOJ conceded that vaccines significantly

aggravated a child's pre-existing autistic

symptoms,' my source said, 'but the autism

itself was caused by a congenital mitochondrial

disorder that is entirely genetic.', " this MAY

be what the DOJ source said as the report document

is still sealed,

BUT:

a. As far as I know, there is no proof that

Hannah Poling had " a congenital mitochondrial

disorder -- much less a disorder that is

genetic " !

b. Obviously, for whatever reason, the DOJ did

NOT want the experts' reports (Dr. Mark R.

Geier, MD who was one of the plaintiffs' experts,

and Dr. Zimmerman, MD who was another

expert for the plaintiffs) to be published

where the public could read their findings as

the following " sealed " vaccine court entries

(from PACER) indicate:

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>1:02-vv-01466-UNJ POLING, et al v. HHS

>Unassigned, presiding

> E. -, referral

>Date filed: 10/25/2002

>Date of last filing: 12/21/2007

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>History

>Doc.No. Dates Description

>------- ---------- ------------------------------------

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> 24 12/13/2007 Expert Report of Zimmerma[n],

> MD (Ex. no. 60) filed by TERRY

> POLING. (Attachments: # (1) Index# (2)

> Exhibit EXH60)(Shoemaker, Clifford)

>

>------- ---------- ------------------------------------

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> 22 12/11/2007 Expert Report of Mark Geier, MD

> (Ex. no. 61) filed by TERRY POLING.

> (Attachments: # (1) Index# (2)

> Exhibit EXH61)(Shoemaker, Clifford)

>------- ---------- ------------------------------------

Also, ALL of US should:

1. CALL and WRITE to our U.S.

Representative and both of

our U.S. Senators in the

Congress that we elect, and

2. DEMAND that these currently sealed

expert reports be released to the

public

3. ASK their families and friends

to do likewise

BECAUSE:

a. The government has conceded the case

and

b. The experts' testimony in the other test

cases that has been heard (in the

" Thimerosal and MMR causes autism " test

cases) and/or is scheduled to be heard

(in the " Thimerosal causes autism " test

cases) and expert reports in two of the

other " Thimerosal causes autism " (the

" Second Theory " ) test cases have already

been posted for all to read (see:

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/AutismDocket.htm).

- 08/28/07 PSC's " Second Theory " Causation Reports

of Dr. Sander Greenland and Dr. Deth --

Part I : 12/14/07 PSC's Expert Report in King

Test Case - Sander Greenland:

Epidemiologocal evidence

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/Autism/8%2028%2007%20pt1.pdf

Part II : Sander Greenland's CV

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/Autism/8%2028%2007%20pt2.pdf

Part III: C. Deth's " The Relationship

Between Thimerosal and Autism, " and

his CV

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/Autism/8%2028%2007%20pt3.pdf

- 09/04/07 PSC's " Second Theory " General Causation

Report of Dr. H. Vasken Aposhian: " Thimerosal and its

biotransformant ethylmercury cause injury to the

developing brains of human embryos and young children, "

and & his CV:

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/Autism/9%2004%2007%20EX.pdf

- 11/20/07 PSC's Expert Report in Mead Test Case:

Dr. Mumper's " Professional opinion about the role of

thimerosal containing vaccines In the case of

Mead (DOB 5.5.98), Case # 03-0215V

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/Autism/psc%20expt%20rpt%20mead.pdf

- 12/14/07 PSC's Expert Report in King Test Case:

Dr. Mumper's " Professional opinion about the role of

thimerosal containing vaccines In the case of Jordan

King

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/Autism/12%2014%2007%20exp%20report.pdf

The experts' reports in Poling v. Sec. HHS should

also be posted so that all can read:

a. What the medical experts actually found and

b. NOT the REPORTED " spin " given by Kirby's

unidentified source to the experts'

uncontested (since the government conceded

the case) medical findings .

Then, the public should better understand what the

medical and scientific experts found (established)

concerning the original test-case proposition:

" Thimerosal causes autism "

and how others should proceed to determine if their

child is mercury poisoned and establish that Thimerosal-

containing vaccines were, or were not, a major cause

for the harm observed in their children.

Respectfully,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

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> Kirby says that the government

> " Conceded " to one of the pending test

>cases of the autism hearings. What

>does this all mean and isn't this a

>pretty big deal if I'm reading it

>correctly? Chrissy

>

>> Kirby: The Autism-Vaccine Debate:

>> Anything But Over

>>

>>Link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/the-autismvaccine-debate_b_74853.h

tml

>>Memo to those who wanted the autism-vaccine

>>contretemps to just go away: You lost.

>>Exactly five years ago, I began research

>>for my book Evidence of Harm, which looked

>>into the possible link between mercury,

>>vaccines and the tsunami of autism that

>>now overwhelms our education system. Along

>>the way, I have <<SNIP>>