Re: I have a question about measles

[Guest guest]

I had German measles as a kid and other than itching a

bit and having a mild fever and feeling a little

crummy, it really was no big deal. Lasted about 1.5

weeks. Great way as a pre-teen to get to stay home and

watch television. No lasting effects, no scaring.

--- autismlink <cindy@...> wrote:

> I'm kind of freaking out at the moment because my

> younger son broke

> out in a rash yesterday, just on his legs. I

> thought it may have been

> a reaction to soap or dry skin or something. It's

> not itchy, and it's

> not " raised " bumps. I put vaseline on his skin

> because i thought it

> might be dry before he went to bed last night.

>

> Note: They have both had horrible colds the last

> few days with a bad

> cough.

>

> This morning, they were still there, so I gave him

> some benadryl

> thinking if it *was* an allergic reaction the

> benadryl would work. He

> still has it. I just gave him a bath, and now the

> rash has spread to

> his stomach and arms. Still not itchy, still not

> raised bumps.

>

> Now my older son has it.

>

> I looked up a few things and it looks like either

> (1) Fifth's disease,

> or (2) german measles. Given that they weren't

> vaccinated, I'm a

> little concerned.

>

> Is this something I need to wake them up and rush

> them to the hospital

> for?? Obviously I'll call the doctor in the a.m.,

> and I'm reading

> about measles right now on line, but I thought one

> of you folks might

> be able to help me here because I'm having a cow.

> (And not those

> happy california cows either.......)

>

> Seems like even if it is german measles or fifth's

> disease there isn't

> much we can do now anyway. Is this true?

>

> W.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

When my son breaks into a rash across his face from time to time

(which I suspect is measles, mommy instinct) I give him 1 to 2 beta

carotenes about 5,000 IUs apiece. His behavior is usually loopy and

disconnected with the rash and I see a difference in rash and

behavior usually in under an hour.

Gayatri

>

> I'm kind of freaking out at the moment because my younger son broke

> out in a rash yesterday, just on his legs. I thought it may have

been

> a reaction to soap or dry skin or something. It's not itchy, and

it's

> not " raised " bumps. I put vaseline on his skin because i thought it

> might be dry before he went to bed last night.

>

> Note: They have both had horrible colds the last few days with a

bad

> cough.

>

> This morning, they were still there, so I gave him some benadryl

> thinking if it *was* an allergic reaction the benadryl would work.

He

> still has it. I just gave him a bath, and now the rash has spread

to

> his stomach and arms. Still not itchy, still not raised bumps.

>

> Now my older son has it.

>

> I looked up a few things and it looks like either (1) Fifth's

disease,

> or (2) german measles. Given that they weren't vaccinated, I'm a

> little concerned.

>

> Is this something I need to wake them up and rush them to the

hospital

> for?? Obviously I'll call the doctor in the a.m., and I'm reading

> about measles right now on line, but I thought one of you folks

might

> be able to help me here because I'm having a cow. (And not those

> happy california cows either.......)

>

> Seems like even if it is german measles or fifth's disease there

isn't

> much we can do now anyway. Is this true?

>

> W.

>

[Guest guest]

,

This isn't much help but I just noticed the same thing on my son's lower trunk

(thighs

especially) last night. He has also been sick for about two weeks before this

appeared. I

have no idea what it is at this point, but he has an appt. in the morning, so if

I find

anything out (which I doubt), I will let share with you. My younger son hasn't

had the MMR

either. Try to relax. My mother said that all four of us had german measels very

young and

it we came out fine after just three days, if it's any consolation.

Are you treating with any prescription or natural antifungals? I am, and my kids

often get

stuff like this along with die-off, so I am hoping that is all that it is.

>

> I'm kind of freaking out at the moment because my younger son broke

> out in a rash yesterday, just on his legs. I thought it may have been

> a reaction to soap or dry skin or something. It's not itchy, and it's

> not " raised " bumps. I put vaseline on his skin because i thought it

> might be dry before he went to bed last night.

>

> Note: They have both had horrible colds the last few days with a bad

> cough.

>

> This morning, they were still there, so I gave him some benadryl

> thinking if it *was* an allergic reaction the benadryl would work. He

> still has it. I just gave him a bath, and now the rash has spread to

> his stomach and arms. Still not itchy, still not raised bumps.

>

> Now my older son has it.

>

> I looked up a few things and it looks like either (1) Fifth's disease,

> or (2) german measles. Given that they weren't vaccinated, I'm a

> little concerned.

>

> Is this something I need to wake them up and rush them to the hospital

> for?? Obviously I'll call the doctor in the a.m., and I'm reading

> about measles right now on line, but I thought one of you folks might

> be able to help me here because I'm having a cow. (And not those

> happy california cows either.......)

>

> Seems like even if it is german measles or fifth's disease there isn't

> much we can do now anyway. Is this true?

>

> W.

>

[Guest guest]

If you suspect measles, my MIL who raised 5 boys told me to make sure

Jess was not exposed to bright light during the illness, it can harm

their eyes. She broke out in a rash from head-to-toe for a few days

after her MMR. MIL said it looked just like measles. As far as I can

remember the rash was on her torso a little more than limbs, and

slightly raised, sort of clustered. Fifth's Disease, as I've seen it,

is very even throughout the body, little bitty dots that are very,

very numerous, and the tiniest bit raised, usually a few days after a

fever. Either one, as I know, are not overtly dangerous so long as

you're managing their care & keeping them clean.

I would also suggest you make sure you're giving them a good dose of

cod liver oil, if it's possible it's measles.

HTH,

Debi

[Guest guest]

Everyone,

Thx. for the advice. I have an appointment with the Dr. today at 4.

They both still have the rash this morning.

Anytime I see a rash of course I immediately suspect measles or

something dramatic, I start thinking how horrible I am for not

vaccinating and second guessing myself.

> >> >

> >> > I'm kind of freaking out at the moment because my younger son broke

> >> > out in a rash yesterday, just on his legs. I thought it may

have been

> >> > a reaction to soap or dry skin or something. It's not itchy,

and it's

> >> > not " raised " bumps. I put vaseline on his skin because i

thought it

> >> > might be dry before he went to bed last night.

> >> >

> >> > Note: They have both had horrible colds the last few days with

a bad

> >> > cough.

> >> >

> >> > This morning, they were still there, so I gave him some benadryl

> >> > thinking if it *was* an allergic reaction the benadryl would

work. He

> >> > still has it. I just gave him a bath, and now the rash has

spread to

> >> > his stomach and arms. Still not itchy, still not raised bumps.

> >> >

> >> > Now my older son has it.

> >> >

> >> > I looked up a few things and it looks like either (1) Fifth's

disease,

> >> > or (2) german measles. Given that they weren't vaccinated, I'm a

> >> > little concerned.

> >> >

> >> > Is this something I need to wake them up and rush them to the

hospital

> >> > for?? Obviously I'll call the doctor in the a.m., and I'm reading

> >> > about measles right now on line, but I thought one of you folks

might

> >> > be able to help me here because I'm having a cow. (And not those

> >> > happy california cows either.......)

> >> >

> >> > Seems like even if it is german measles or fifth's disease

there isn't

> >> > much we can do now anyway. Is this true?

> >> >

> >> > W.

> >> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not poking fun at the Measles. But... My older sister had the

coolest doll in the world back in the early 1960's. She had a knob on

her head and when you turned it you changed the face. Yes, the

original " Three Faces of Eve " was a doll. One face was sleeping. One

face was smiling. One face had the measles, spots all over the cheeks.

Measles was considered a normal childhood disease, not the plague. I

doubt that dollmakers would have put out a doll that had the Black

Death. But the measles was considered all right for a dolly. Today?

It's cause for mass hysteria. Because our children are never supposed

to get sick with ANYTHING. That's today's mantra. Vaccinate every

possible illness away so Mommy and Daddy and schools never have to deal

with the hassle, unpleasantness or missed work days associate with the

burden of keeping a child home for days or even weeks as would be the

case with chicken pox. Medicine is now Mcs. Convenience first,

health second.

, my friend. Go watch the Brady Bunch rerun about the Measles. The

one with two doctors in the house. For the boys and the girls. Carol

and Mike were not panicked. Don't let you doc shame you or berate you

about vaccinating.

Kim

[Guest guest]

That's absolutely hysterical.

>

> I'm not poking fun at the Measles. But... My older sister had the

> coolest doll in the world back in the early 1960's. She had a knob on

> her head and when you turned it you changed the face. Yes, the

> original " Three Faces of Eve " was a doll. One face was sleeping. One

> face was smiling. One face had the measles, spots all over the cheeks.

> Measles was considered a normal childhood disease, not the plague. I

> doubt that dollmakers would have put out a doll that had the Black

> Death. But the measles was considered all right for a dolly. Today?

> It's cause for mass hysteria. Because our children are never supposed

> to get sick with ANYTHING. That's today's mantra. Vaccinate every

> possible illness away so Mommy and Daddy and schools never have to deal

> with the hassle, unpleasantness or missed work days associate with the

> burden of keeping a child home for days or even weeks as would be the

> case with chicken pox. Medicine is now Mcs. Convenience first,

> health second.

>

> , my friend. Go watch the Brady Bunch rerun about the Measles. The

> one with two doctors in the house. For the boys and the girls. Carol

> and Mike were not panicked. Don't let you doc shame you or berate you

> about vaccinating.

>

> Kim

>

[Guest guest]

,

As long as they don't have a raging fever I would not get too worried

abour it. Whatever it is Measles, Fifths disease, or German, it will

run its course. I also would not give them anything to supress it. Let

thier immune system do its job, it will run its course. Their immune

systems will be stronger in the end. I'm guessing Fifths Disease.

Peggy

> Seems like even if it is german measles or fifth's disease there isn't

> much we can do now anyway. Is this true?

[Guest guest]

Even if

its rubella (german measles), it is no biggie. The medical community would even

agree it’s a pretty benign illness for the person who gets it. The

concern about it is with rubella exposure to the fetus in the non-immune mom.

What happens when you press a clear drinking

glass over the rash? Does it go away or do the red dots stay? If they stay I

think that means it is petichea, which is something you should contact his doc

about.

Becky

Re: I have a

question about measles

I had German measles as a kid and other than itching a

bit and having a mild fever and feeling a little

crummy, it really was no big deal. Lasted about 1.5

weeks. Great way as a pre-teen to get to stay home and

watch television. No lasting effects, no scaring.

--- autismlink <cindyautismlink>

wrote:

> I'm kind of freaking out at the moment because my

> younger son broke

> out in a rash yesterday, just on his legs. I

> thought it may have been

> a reaction to soap or dry skin or something. It's

> not itchy, and it's

> not " raised " bumps. I put vaseline on his skin

> because i thought it

> might be dry before he went to bed last night.

>

> Note: They have both had horrible colds the last

> few days with a bad

> cough.

>

> This morning, they were still there, so I gave him

> some benadryl

> thinking if it *was* an allergic reaction the

> benadryl would work. He

> still has it. I just gave him a bath, and now the

> rash has spread to

> his stomach and arms. Still not itchy, still not

> raised bumps.

>

> Now my older son has it.

>

> I looked up a few things and it looks like either

> (1) Fifth's disease,

> or (2) german measles. Given that they weren't

> vaccinated, I'm a

> little concerned.

>

> Is this something I need to wake them up and rush

> them to the hospital

> for?? Obviously I'll call the doctor in the a.m.,

> and I'm reading

> about measles right now on line, but I thought one

> of you folks might

> be able to help me here because I'm having a cow.

> (And not those

> happy california cows either.......)

>

> Seems like even if it is german measles or fifth's

> disease there isn't

> much we can do now anyway. Is this true?

>

> W.

>

>

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you might want to take a trip to the ped(if at all intelligent) and just get a diagnosis so you know what they have. The Fifth Disease generally presents itslef on the face first(and kind of looks like someone slapped the child), but possibly it shows up first elsewhere as all kids are different-don't we know. MaurineBecky Grant-Widen <bgrantwiden@...> wrote: Even if its rubella (german measles), it is no biggie. The medical community would even agree it’s a pretty benign illness for the person who gets it. The concern about it is with rubella exposure to the fetus in the non-immune mom. What happens when you press a clear drinking glass over the rash? Does it go away or do the red dots stay? If they stay I think that means it is petichea, which is something you should contact his doc about. Becky -----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of izvestiacaSent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 10:27 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: I have a question about measles I had German measles as a kid and other than itching abit and having a mild fever and feeling a littlecrummy, it really was no big deal. Lasted about 1.5weeks. Great way as a pre-teen to get to stay home andwatch television. No lasting effects, no scaring.--- autismlink <cindyautismlink> wrote:> I'm kind of freaking out at the moment because my> younger son broke> out in a rash yesterday, just on his legs. I> thought it may have been> a reaction to soap or dry skin or something. It's> not itchy, and it's> not "raised" bumps. I put vaseline on his skin> because i thought it> might be dry before he went to bed last night.> > Note: They have both had

horrible colds the last> few days with a bad> cough.> > This morning, they were still there, so I gave him> some benadryl> thinking if it *was* an allergic reaction the> benadryl would work. He> still has it. I just gave him a bath, and now the> rash has spread to> his stomach and arms. Still not itchy, still not> raised bumps.> > Now my older son has it. > > I looked up a few things and it looks like either> (1) Fifth's disease,> or (2) german measles. Given that they weren't> vaccinated, I'm a> little concerned.> > Is this something I need to wake them up and rush> them to the hospital> for?? Obviously I'll call the doctor in the a.m.,> and I'm reading> about measles right now on line, but I thought one> of you folks might> be able to help me here because I'm having a cow. >

(And not those> happy california cows either.......)> > Seems like even if it is german measles or fifth's> disease there isn't> much we can do now anyway. Is this true?> > W.> > ____________________________________________________ Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now athttp://ca.toolbar..

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[Guest guest]

I went through the same thing when Dinah got pertussis. In fact, the

doctor chewed me out. " I need to know NOW when you're going to get

these kids their vaccinations! " He was almost yelling at me. I told

him that all the research I've found supports a causal link between

vaccination and autism and I cannot in good confidence take that risk.

I was expecting a " dear jane " letter from him, but it never came.

Don't know what kind of doc you have, but just a warning, if he/she

suspects measles, be prepared to get the American academy of

pediatrics chewing.

Debi

>

> Everyone,

>

> Thx. for the advice. I have an appointment with the Dr. today at 4.

> They both still have the rash this morning.

>

> Anytime I see a rash of course I immediately suspect measles or

> something dramatic, I start thinking how horrible I am for not

> vaccinating and second guessing myself.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am lucky enough to have both a mother-in-law and a sister-in-law

who are nurses. I was stupid enough to explain to them that I was

not going to be getting boosters for my older children and that I

stopped vaccinating my youngest at 4 months. I thought that I could

razzle-dazzle them with my research on vaccinations and bring them

over to the dark side I bombed. Now, I have to deal with

comments all the time about the dangers of having unvaccinated

children. If one of my kids gets as much as a cough (it must be

pertussis) or a little rash of any kind (it might be measles)...

everything turns into a medical crisis here because after all... my

kids are " unprotected " .

Meanwhile, back in reality... Neither one of them freaked out at all

when my middle son developed a viral rash covering his entire body a

few days after his mmr. Neither one of them seemed all that

concerned when this same boy developed sensory integration disorder

soon after... Neither seemed all that alarmed when my daughter

developed type 1 diabetes at 11 months of age and a second autoimmune

disease by age 2... Oh, yeah, my youngest... Healthy as a horse...

Move along, nothing to see here.

> >

> > Everyone,

> >

> > Thx. for the advice. I have an appointment with the Dr. today at

4.

> > They both still have the rash this morning.

> >

> > Anytime I see a rash of course I immediately suspect measles or

> > something dramatic, I start thinking how horrible I am for not

> > vaccinating and second guessing myself.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Fifth Disease is going around in my neighborhood; it's a virus caused

by parvovirus B19. My daughter had the rash on her legs, a fever on

and off for almost a week, headaches, neck ache and loss of

appetite. My sons both had it, the 11 year old had the bright red

cheeks and the oldest had a distinct headache and sore neck.

>

> I'm kind of freaking out at the moment because my younger son broke

> out in a rash yesterday, just on his legs. I thought it may have

been

> a reaction to soap or dry skin or something. It's not itchy, and

it's

> not " raised " bumps. I put vaseline on his skin because i thought it

> might be dry before he went to bed last night.

>

> Note: They have both had horrible colds the last few days with a

bad

> cough.

>

> This morning, they were still there, so I gave him some benadryl

> thinking if it *was* an allergic reaction the benadryl would work.

He

> still has it. I just gave him a bath, and now the rash has spread

to

> his stomach and arms. Still not itchy, still not raised bumps.

>

> Now my older son has it.

>

> I looked up a few things and it looks like either (1) Fifth's

disease,

> or (2) german measles. Given that they weren't vaccinated, I'm a

> little concerned.

>

> Is this something I need to wake them up and rush them to the

hospital

> for?? Obviously I'll call the doctor in the a.m., and I'm reading

> about measles right now on line, but I thought one of you folks

might

> be able to help me here because I'm having a cow. (And not those

> happy california cows either.......)

>

> Seems like even if it is german measles or fifth's disease there

isn't

> much we can do now anyway. Is this true?

>

> W.

>

[Guest guest]

My grandmother is a retired nurse, her sister was a nurse, mom is a

nurse, SIL is a nurse, another SIL is a doctor, and a niece is about

to start med school, and I'm in school to be a nurse practitioner. One

would think we would have lively discussions; they won't say a word

about it around me, lol. It was TONS of fun when my kids actually got

pertussis!

My mother did brag on Christmas morning, however, about refusing to

let a patient in a nursing home on vancomycin be given a bottle of

" snake oil " which turned out to be probiotics. Evidently his family

member was so ignorant as to want to help him with his horrific

diarrhea and brought it in; my mother used the " it's not been

evaluated by the FDA for safety " mantra, but then went on to suggest

he eat extra yogurt.

Have I mentioned my mother & I aren't that close?? I do have to credit

my grandmother, however, at 84 years old, who remembered yearly polio

outbreaks, she feels the vaccines are the problem. She once told us

her mother would give the kids CLO every day to help prevent

contracting polio. My mother, the know-it-all, thought it was another

snake-oil treatment. Interestingly enough, Granny also watched her

husband of 40 years die from glioblastoma; I wish I knew then what I

know how, I would have found a way to have his tumor tested for SV-40.

Debi

>

>

> I am lucky enough to have both a mother-in-law and a sister-in-law

> who are nurses. I was stupid enough to explain to them that I was

> not going to be getting boosters for my older children and that I

> stopped vaccinating my youngest at 4 months. I thought that I could

> razzle-dazzle them with my research on vaccinations and bring them

> over to the dark side I bombed. Now, I have to deal with

> comments all the time about the dangers of having unvaccinated

> children. If one of my kids gets as much as a cough (it must be

> pertussis) or a little rash of any kind (it might be measles)...

> everything turns into a medical crisis here because after all... my

> kids are " unprotected " .

>

> Meanwhile, back in reality... Neither one of them freaked out at all

> when my middle son developed a viral rash covering his entire body a

> few days after his mmr. Neither one of them seemed all that

> concerned when this same boy developed sensory integration disorder

> soon after... Neither seemed all that alarmed when my daughter

> developed type 1 diabetes at 11 months of age and a second autoimmune

> disease by age 2... Oh, yeah, my youngest... Healthy as a horse...

> Move along, nothing to see here.

>

[Guest guest]

Well, easier said than done with my MIL. I tried for a long time and

I do speak up when she really starts in on the nonsense... but for

the most part I choose to ignore her -- did I mention that she's a

wonderful babysitter

-- In EOHarm , Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...>

wrote:

>

> well, I take just the opposite attitude. I am not intimidated by

any relatives, friends etc commenting on not vaccinating the kids.

In fact, I generally let them know they are the dumb ones for

allowing vaccinations to happen. Turn it around and make them defend

having vaccines.

> M

>

> celiacdaughter <suemisiaszek@...> wrote:

>

> I am lucky enough to have both a mother-in-law and a sister-in-law

> who are nurses. I was stupid enough to explain to them that I was

> not going to be getting boosters for my older children and that I

> stopped vaccinating my youngest at 4 months. I thought that I could

> razzle-dazzle them with my research on vaccinations and bring them

> over to the dark side I bombed. Now, I have to deal with

> comments all the time about the dangers of having unvaccinated

> children. If one of my kids gets as much as a cough (it must be

> pertussis) or a little rash of any kind (it might be measles)...

> everything turns into a medical crisis here because after all... my

> kids are " unprotected " .

>

> Meanwhile, back in reality... Neither one of them freaked out at

all

> when my middle son developed a viral rash covering his entire body

a

> few days after his mmr. Neither one of them seemed all that

> concerned when this same boy developed sensory integration disorder

> soon after... Neither seemed all that alarmed when my daughter

> developed type 1 diabetes at 11 months of age and a second

autoimmune

> disease by age 2... Oh, yeah, my youngest... Healthy as a horse...

> Move along, nothing to see here.

>

>

> > >

> > > Everyone,

> > >

> > > Thx. for the advice. I have an appointment with the Dr. today

at

> 4.

> > > They both still have the rash this morning.

> > >

> > > Anytime I see a rash of course I immediately suspect measles or

> > > something dramatic, I start thinking how horrible I am for not

> > > vaccinating and second guessing myself.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

And I bet the corks start a'poppin in your house when THIS topic comes

up. Corks/Bottle Caps/alcohol of any kind........

You should sell tickets and popcorn. I'd come.

> > >

> > > Everyone,

> > >

> > > Thx. for the advice. I have an appointment with the Dr. today at

> 4.

> > > They both still have the rash this morning.

> > >

> > > Anytime I see a rash of course I immediately suspect measles or

> > > something dramatic, I start thinking how horrible I am for not

> > > vaccinating and second guessing myself.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Well, depending on how much money gets donated to the next president's

campaign, we just might have a vaccine for Fifth disease.

Here's my question -- I get all freaked out over a rash thinking my

kid may have measles, do a little research and find out measles isn't

really life threatening, more annoying than anything.

Why are we vaccinating for that again? Someone clue me in?

-- In EOHarm , Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...> wrote:

>

> It sounds like your kids have really been hit hard by it. When my

grandkids had it-they were hardly even sick. Maybe when one gets

older-it may affect them worse. It really is considered, for the most

part, a benign disease(otherwise Offit would have had a vaccine for it

already).

> M

>

[Guest guest]

I think it's because if an adult male catches it, it can cause

infertility (official name of medical condition: peck of pickled

peppers). In any case, children are mostly vaccinated to protect the

adults who make decisions about vaccination mandates and for profit.

> >

> > It sounds like your kids have really been hit hard by it. When

my

> grandkids had it-they were hardly even sick. Maybe when one gets

> older-it may affect them worse. It really is considered, for the

most

> part, a benign disease(otherwise Offit would have had a vaccine

for it

> already).

> > M

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Some, and I don't know what the percentage is, go on to develop

subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, an almost always fatal condition

as I understand it.

I think it's mumps that causes sterility in men after puberty.

Also, a woman who catches measles during pregnancy has a greatly

increased risk of severe harm to the fetus. That said, a girl who

catches measles won't have to worry about catching it during pregnancy

down the road.

Debi

>

> Well, depending on how much money gets donated to the next president's

> campaign, we just might have a vaccine for Fifth disease.

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> Here's my question -- I get all freaked out over a rash thinking my

> kid may have measles, do a little research and find out measles isn't

> really life threatening, more annoying than anything.

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> Why are we vaccinating for that again? Someone clue me in?

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