Re: Christian Medical Conference

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Yes, which is why need need Ayoub, Bradstreet, etc. to attend!

I don't know how many of you listened to their 2007 autism broadcast,

in which it was disclosed that one of their own, Fuller, had a

child diagnosed with autism. I didn't see it discussed on any of the

boards, but it was a 3-part series. In addition they allowed a

parent -Lynn Hamilton-on the show who has apparently either used

biomedical and/or blamed vaccines and wrote a book called Facing

Autism. Dr. Dobson allowed her book to be sold on the site, even

though he said he originally had decided against it because of

some " controversial " material. I'm sure those outside the autism

community wondered if the mom used curse words or something:) LOL

In any case, since I beleive these are GOOD people at heart with a

wide audience, we shouldn't give up on them. Keep pushing. I know in

my letter I said that I grew up with Focus and felt betrayed &

abandoned by them. I offered to send studies to the doctors on staff

and was (of course) never taken up on it. But we need to keep trying.

So many social changes in this country have come about because of

Christians who have fought for them. Kudos to the Methodist church,

which has been bold about speaking the truth and fighting for justice

in the case of thimerosal.

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I have written FOF and received a response from one of Dr. Dobson's

assistants. It was after, I believe Lynn Hamilton? appeared on the

show a few yrs ago. Dr. Dobson was rather offensive in his comments

toward Christians who do not immunize. The response was one of not

listening at all.

Here is the letter I sent him, April 1, 2006:

Dr. Dobson

Focus on the Family

Colorado Springs, CO 80995

Dear Dr. Dobson,

I recently was told by several of your listeners that you and the good

Dr. Larimore stated those parents who oppose vaccines as

" well-meaning, but uneducated and misinformed " . Dr. Dobson, your

statement, if given to me correctly, is completely erroneous.

I hold an Associates Degree from my local community college, and am

currently pursuing a bachelor's of science to work in special

education. At the same time I have read a number of books, including

the physician's guide to treatment of autism by Defeat Autism Now!,

the only real organized medical group dedicated to addressing the

medical issues of autism. I regularly (on a weekly basis) read

scientific studies, both supporting and warning the use of vaccine.

My goal is not to find a desired outcome and focus on that outcome,

but rather to read objectively the most current understanding of God's

creation, the human body, and how it relates to my daughter's health,

whether that supports or does not support the use of vaccines. I care

about the truth, not the truth I desire.

When my daughter regressed immediately following a hepatitis B vaccine

she was given at nine months of age, while recovering from chicken pox

and still scabbed over, I did not even remember the vaccine, it was so

insignificant. All I knew was that my daughter had become rather ill

with chicken pox, began to recover and come back to her old self, then

fall completely silent and zone out. It was not until a year later

when I pulled Allie's shot record just to see what was there, when the

date and memory of the event flooded back to my mind. To be sure I was

recollecting the chicken pox episode so close to the vaccine, I pulled

her baby book to check the dates. Sure enough, two weeks after the

onset of chicken pox, she received this vaccine. Sure enough, she fell

silent. The shot was given April 26. Her older sister's birthday party

was May 5. I have on videotape the entire group of people, about

twenty people, commenting on " how quiet and good " Allie was being,

because suddenly gift bows were a two-hour fascination.

After this happened and God blessed me with another pregnancy six

months after Allie's autism diagnosis, I began to pray about what

steps to take to help ensure this baby would be autism-free. I prayed

about me eating a gluten/casein-free diet during gestation, if I

should keep the baby on a gluten/casein-free diet, how long I should

breast-feed my baby, and when or if I should vaccinate. I read Dr.

Cave's recommendations on vaccinating, that she suggests

waiting until four months and vaccinate slowly. I prayed about this

schedule, if that is what The Lord would have me to do, or if He would

have me to vaccinate regularly, or if I should vaccinate at all.

I also went to the CDC web site and read about each and every disease

for which children are vaccinated against. I specifically wanted to

know what the symptoms and risks of each disease is, the prevalence of

each disease in my region and the United States, and what ways each

disease is spread. I then read every package insert for each vaccine,

especially noting the levels of thimerosal, as chelation is showing my

daughter has high levels of mercury in her little body. I wanted to

know what warnings each manufacturer gives for their products, the way

the vaccines are administered, how they are to be stored, and mentally

noted at pediatrician visits how the nurses were handling the vials

lined just behind the nurses' station. I also wanted to know if

vaccinating would be 100% protection against a given disease,

wondering if the potential risk would really be of significant

benefit, realizing the flu vaccine in particular is known to " miss the

mark " on occasion. I also read over VAERS data about reports on each

vaccine. I then prayed over this information, asking The Lord to make

it clear to me His will on the matter.

At Dinah's birth, I had decided to refrain from the hepatitis vaccine

at twenty-four hours old. I learned that hepatitis B can only be

spread through blood-to-blood contact and I did not foresee my newborn

having sex or doing IV drugs in the room, especially considering she

stayed with me. She did not attend daycare and I was almost always

with her in the church's nursery. My husband and I are happy with our

marriage of, at the time, eight years, so there was no concern of

promiscuity as I nursed our baby. I gave the schedule of Dr. Cave's

recommendations to Dinah's pediatrician. The four-month mark came and

went. I felt absolutely no peace in vaccinating her.

I went back to The Lord time and time again, asking Him to give me

peace. I found none until I discussed it with my husband and he said

we should not vaccinate her until at least age three, when the risk of

autism decreases, the immune system in her would be more mature, and

we could see that she would be talking and behaving normally. For the

first time, I felt a God-like peace on the matter. My husband's words

spoke to both my mind and my soul as if divinely planted. My husband

was reading the same information and praying the same concerns that I

was.

Do I ever get concerned she might contract a disease that a vaccine

may have prevented? Yes. When she gets a cough sometimes I think,

" What on earth am I doing to her? " Then I feel that familiar tug that

I'm doing it for a very good reason. I'm doing it because I researched

to the best of my ability, learned everything I could, brought it

before The Lord, and asked Him to show me the way with my precious

little soul He has allowed me to raise.

Is all this well meaning? Without a doubt. It's well meaning, and it's

selfish on my part to want my daughter's health and her mind. But is

it uneducated and misinformed? Hardly. I would venture to state that I

know far more about the risks and benefits of vaccines than most

medical doctors. I say that not out of arrogance, but out of the fact

that every time I have taken my specific concerns to my pediatrician,

he or she cannot answer me with facts, studies, or other medical

documentation. They do answer me with evasive thoughts, " Well, it

doesn't matter that the fact sheet says not to vaccinate when they're

sick, " or " Oh, we can't check titer levels, they don't matter… " . And

my favorite, " It doesn't really matter that aborted fetal cells are

used to produce the that vaccine, they were aborted years ago. "

Dr. Dobson, I am a huge fan of yours and hold immense respect for you.

I am constantly recommending your books to others and so enjoy hearing

your words of wisdom. But I urge you as my Christian Brother and

respected elder to rethink your statements on those of who choose to

refrain from vaccinating our children. I urge you to retract your

statement that we are misinformed and uneducated. State that you

philosophically disagree, but do not make a statement as untrue as

that of me being misinformed or uneducated. In fact, I would be

willing to bet a spot on your show that I can out-discuss you or Dr.

Larimore on factual, medical evidences both supporting and challenging

vaccine safeties. I venture to state that I am more informed, more

educated, and more knowledgeable about vaccine that you could even

imagine, because I've had to be. I say it not as arrogance or attempts

to fluff my ego, but to show you just how wrong your thoughts about me

are. Believe me, I haven't wanted to know one iota of this stuff. But

it's what we responsible parents do for our children's health and future.

Respectfully,

Debi Tyree Haney

Author 's Little Sister

ISBN 1-4137-1724-1

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> Wonder if we can get any of our docs to attend this Focus on the Family

> conference? As a Christian, I have been so distressed at the way

autism &

> vaccine issues have been handles by Focus & others. Maybe we need

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> our own docs to get the others thinking more.

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> The Conference is called " Balancing Faith, Family & Practice " , and

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-I sent them an email...the main address is main@...

-- In EOHarm , " searchingforserenity111 "

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> And this is what they have to say about vaccines:

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> Search Results - 44 records found

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I, too, wrote FoF after Lynn Hamilton's appearance on a radio show

several years ago, and received a form letter response. They didn't

even acknowledge the TOPIC I'd written about. They are among many

Christian groups who have their hands over their collective ears,

screaming, " LA LA LA LA LA LA LA " to block out any pleas from parents of

vaccine-injured children to please read the studies and listen to our

stories.

Very disappointing attitude from them, that's for sure.

Penny

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> I have written FOF and received a response from one of Dr. Dobson's

> assistants. It was after, I believe Lynn Hamilton? appeared on the

> show a few yrs ago. Dr. Dobson was rather offensive in his comments

> toward Christians who do not immunize. The response was one of not

> listening at all.

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I, too, wrote FoF after Lynn Hamilton's appearance on a radio show

several years ago, and received a form letter response. They didn't

even acknowledge the TOPIC I'd written about. They are among many

Christian groups who have their hands over their collective ears,

screaming, " LA LA LA LA LA LA LA " to block out any pleas from parents of

vaccine-injured children to please read the studies and listen to our

stories.

Very disappointing attitude from them, that's for sure.

Penny

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> I have written FOF and received a response from one of Dr. Dobson's

> assistants. It was after, I believe Lynn Hamilton? appeared on the

> show a few yrs ago. Dr. Dobson was rather offensive in his comments

> toward Christians who do not immunize. The response was one of not

> listening at all.