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How do we know the vaccines are not implicated in the cancers that they are treating?

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I'm not against St. Jude treating kids for cancer, I think it'swondeful. But I cannot express how I feel watching their feel-good adswhile knowing the lengths they went to to block legislation that couldhave spared thousands from this autism thing. Regardless of the goodwork they do in cancer, it does not dismiss their responsibility offurthering poisoning of children. For me it's the same thing as themantra about how vaccines save lives, therefore those who are vaccineinjured are expendable. Even worse in some ways, because they had noneed what so ever to get involved in the thimerosal legislation, theyACTIVELY fought against it. If I save one kid while harming another, does that make me a good person? Debi>> Actually, St Jude IS wonderful. My cousin's 5 year old son is being> treated for cancer there at no cost to his parents who cannot afford> it otherwise. My son is vaccine damaged but I don't begrudge them> getting help at that institution. Sometimes you have to take the good> with the bad. I am thankful for St. Jude no matter what their> policies are on vaccines. Vicki>

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We do not know that vaccines are NOT implicated in the cancers they are treating. On almost every vaccine package insert (or product information) that I have read in recent years, it is stated that the vaccine has not been evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity and genotoxity, etc. The other day, I got a copy of Shorter's The Health Century from my local library, and am looking forward to reading it over the holidays. Shorter is the University of Toronto professor who conducted the interview with Maurice Hilleman, that was broadcast on YouTube by Leonard Horowitz. There are other interviews included in that book, where at least one other researcher, Dr. Bernice Eddy, also found cancerous tumors in mice that had been injected with polio vaccine (I believe it was). However, I'll have to wait until school is out next week, before I can give this book a closer read. AasaMax

<max.walker@...> wrote: How do we know the vaccines are not implicated in the cancers that they are treating? Ange Re: I Am Legend I'm not against St. Jude treating kids for cancer, I think it'swondeful. But I cannot express how I feel watching their feel-good adswhile knowing the lengths they went to to block legislation that couldhave spared thousands from this autism thing. Regardless of the goodwork they do in cancer, it does not dismiss their responsibility offurthering poisoning of children. For me it's the same thing as themantra about how vaccines save lives, therefore those who are vaccineinjured are expendable. Even worse in some

ways, because they had noneed what so ever to get involved in the thimerosal legislation, theyACTIVELY fought against it. If I save one kid while harming another, does that make me a good person? Debi>> Actually, St Jude IS wonderful. My cousin's 5 year old son is being> treated for cancer there at no cost to his parents who cannot afford> it otherwise. My son is vaccine damaged but I don't begrudge them> getting help at that institution. Sometimes you have to take the good> with the bad. I am thankful for St. Jude no matter what their> policies are on vaccines. Vicki>

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I would not be at all surprised to find that many of the cancers which are occurring today, were caused by vaccines injected in the past. That is likely a "given", since most (perhaps even all) vaccines have not been tested for the potential to cause carcinogenicity. It is interesting that almost all vaccine manufacturers attach this brief note in their product information/product insert section. Does this mean they will get away with whatever damages were caused? They likely will, thanks to riders which absolved them of any responsibility for damages caused by vaccines, which they developed and/or promoted, but WERE NOT EVALUATED FOR THEIR POTENTIAL TO CAUSE CARCINOGENICITY, and GENOTOXICITY. Why are people allowing vaccines that have not been tested/evaluated for their potential to cause CARCINOGENICITY and GENOTOXICITY to be injected into their children or even themselves? They must either be a bunch of idiots, or they know nothing

about this. I would think the latter is true. Do your homework, friends, before the powers that be (and want to continue being so...) get the best of you! AasaDebi <fightingautism@...> wrote: I'm not against St. Jude treating kids for cancer, I think it'swondeful. But I cannot express how I feel watching their feel-good adswhile knowing the lengths they went to to block legislation that couldhave spared thousands from this autism thing. Regardless of the goodwork

they do in cancer, it does not dismiss their responsibility offurthering poisoning of children. For me it's the same thing as themantra about how vaccines save lives, therefore those who are vaccineinjured are expendable. Even worse in some ways, because they had noneed what so ever to get involved in the thimerosal legislation, theyACTIVELY fought against it. If I save one kid while harming another, does that make me a good person? Debi>> Actually, St Jude IS wonderful. My cousin's 5 year old son is being> treated for cancer there at no cost to his parents who cannot afford> it otherwise. My son is vaccine damaged but I don't begrudge them> getting help at that institution. Sometimes you have to take the good> with the bad. I am thankful for St. Jude no matter

what their> policies are on vaccines. Vicki>

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I had a cat that had a type of cancer that only dogs get. That's what the vet said he had never seen it on a cat before. The cat is still alive he hasn't been vaccinated since the cancer was removed 8 years ago. dpowell605 <POWDER914@...> wrote: Vets have noted cancers in dogs at injection sites..> >> > Actually, St Jude IS wonderful. My cousin's 5 year old son is being> > treated for cancer there at no cost to his parents who cannot afford> > it otherwise. My son is vaccine damaged but I don't begrudge them> > getting help at that institution. Sometimes you have to take the good> > with the bad. I am thankful for St. Jude no matter what their> > policies are on vaccines. Vicki> >>

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We aren't getting our cats vaccinated either. All they got was whatever vaccines they received while at the shelter from where we adopted them. They don't need rabies vaccines, because they are indoor cats and when we do let them outside at the cottage, they are either on a leash or we stick with them like glue and they don't even try to go far. However, I can forsee problems coming up if we ever try to take them to a vet for other health issues. One of the first things they ask for is the cat's vaccine records, to ensure that they are up to date on their vaccines before even looking at them. Aasajane tallman <j_tallman@...> wrote: I had a cat that had a type of cancer that only dogs get. That's what the vet said he had never seen it on a cat before. The cat is still alive he hasn't been vaccinated since the cancer was removed 8 years ago. dpowell605 <POWDER914aol> wrote: Vets have noted cancers in dogs at injection sites..> >> > Actually, St Jude IS wonderful. My cousin's 5 year old son is being> > treated for cancer there at no cost to his parents who cannot afford> > it otherwise. My son is vaccine damaged but I don't begrudge them> > getting help at that institution. Sometimes you have to take the good> > with the bad. I am thankful for St. Jude no matter what their> > policies are on vaccines. Vicki> >>

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I have a vet that I have discussed vaccines with-he knows and completely undeerstands and if i have to go for toher reasons he never bothers me about it. I am sure you can find an understanding vet. Sometimes tho if you have to go away and decide to leave your animal at the vet for an extended period=they won't keep them there without vaccines. I just get someone to come in my house when i have to go away for a period of time. good luck. PS I used to vaccinate them years ago(they are all indoor) and 3 died of cancer. Now the others are all surviving a long time--unvaccinatedAasa <penas7ar@...> wrote: We aren't getting our cats vaccinated either. All they got was whatever vaccines they received while at the shelter from where we adopted them. They don't need rabies vaccines, because they are indoor cats and when we do let them outside at the cottage, they are either on a leash or we stick with them like glue and they don't even try to go far. However, I can forsee problems coming up if we ever try to take them to a vet for other health issues. One of the first things they ask for is the cat's vaccine records, to ensure that they are up to date on their vaccines before even looking at them. Aasajane tallman <j_tallman > wrote: I had a cat that had a type of cancer that only dogs get. That's what the

vet said he had never seen it on a cat before. The cat is still alive he hasn't been vaccinated since the cancer was removed 8 years ago. dpowell605 <POWDER914aol> wrote: Vets have noted cancers in dogs at injection sites..> >> > Actually, St Jude IS wonderful. My cousin's 5 year old son is being> > treated for cancer there at no cost to his

parents who cannot afford> > it otherwise. My son is vaccine damaged but I don't begrudge them> > getting help at that institution. Sometimes you have to take the good> > with the bad. I am thankful for St. Jude no matter what their> > policies are on vaccines. Vicki> >>

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Thanks for your advice, Maurine. It may take some time to find an "understanding" vet. However, I am glad to know that it may be possible, going by your experience. AasaMaurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...> wrote: I have a vet that I have discussed vaccines with-he knows and completely undeerstands and if i have to go for toher reasons he never bothers me about it. I am sure you can find an understanding vet. Sometimes tho if you have to go away and decide to leave your animal at the

vet for an extended period=they won't keep them there without vaccines. I just get someone to come in my house when i have to go away for a period of time. good luck. PS I used to vaccinate them years ago(they are all indoor) and 3 died of cancer. Now the others are all surviving a long time--unvaccinatedAasa <penas7arrogers> wrote: We aren't getting our cats vaccinated either. All they got was whatever vaccines they received while at the shelter from where we adopted them. They don't need rabies vaccines, because they are indoor cats and when we do let them outside at the cottage, they are either on a leash or we stick with them like glue and they don't even try to go far. However, I can forsee problems coming up if we ever try to take them to a vet for other health issues. One of the first things they ask for is the

cat's vaccine records, to ensure that they are up to date on their vaccines before even looking at them. Aasajane tallman <j_tallman > wrote: I had a cat that had a type of cancer that only dogs get. That's what the vet said he had never seen it on a cat before. The cat is still alive he hasn't been vaccinated since the cancer was removed 8 years ago. dpowell605 <POWDER914aol> wrote: Vets have noted cancers in dogs at injection sites..> >> > Actually, St Jude IS wonderful. My cousin's 5 year old son is being> > treated for cancer there at no cost to his parents who cannot afford> > it otherwise. My son is vaccine damaged but I don't begrudge them> > getting help at that institution. Sometimes you have to take the good> > with the bad. I am thankful for St. Jude no matter what their> > policies are on vaccines. Vicki> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all

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My vets office will not board my cat unless he has *all his shots*!

Nor will they groom or give him a bath.

A Maine Coon, he is a handfull! Probably because of the shots he had for the cat show where we found him at a year of age. He is a winner though, I hope he survives the previous year's vaccines.

I only want to do the rabis shot,we have a lot of sick animals in the wild here, sometimes he does get out. ng

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We aren't getting our cats vaccinated either. All they got was whatever vaccines they received while at the shelter from where we adopted them. They don't need rabies vaccines, because they are indoor cats and when we do let them outside at the cottage, they are either on a leash or we stick with them like glue and they don't even try to go far. However, I can forsee problems coming up if we ever try to take them to a vet for other health issues. One of the first things they ask for is the cat's vaccine records, to ensure that they are up to date on their vaccines before even looking at them.

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I had a cat that had a type of cancer that only dogs get. That's what the vet said he had never seen it on a cat before. The cat is still alive he hasn 't been vaccinated since the cancer was removed 8 years ago. dpowell605 <POWDER914aol> wrote:

Vets have noted cancers in dogs at injection sites..> >> > Actually, St Jude IS wonderful. My cousin's 5 year old son is being> > treated for cancer there at no cost to his parents who cannot afford> > it otherwise. My son is vaccine damaged but I don't begrudge them> > getting help at that institution. Sometimes you have to take the good> > with the bad. I am thankful for St. Jude no matter what their> > policies are on vaccines. Vicki> >>

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better check first and see what else is in the rabies shot. MNora Gottlieb <nwgott@...> wrote: My vets office will not board my cat unless he has *all his shots*! Nor will they groom or give him a bath. A Maine Coon, he is a handfull! Probably because of the shots he had for the cat show where we found him at a year of age. He is a winner though, I hope he survives the previous

year's vaccines. I only want to do the rabis shot,we have a lot of sick animals in the wild here, sometimes he does get out. ng Re: Re: I Am Legend We aren't getting our cats vaccinated either. All they got was whatever vaccines they received while at the shelter from where we adopted them. They don't need

rabies vaccines, because they are indoor cats and when we do let them outside at the cottage, they are either on a leash or we stick with them like glue and they don't even try to go far. However, I can forsee problems coming up if we ever try to take them to a vet for other health issues. One of the first things they ask for is the cat's vaccine records, to ensure that they are up to date on their vaccines before even looking at them. Aasajane tallman <j_tallman > wrote: I had a cat that had a type of cancer that only dogs get. That's what the vet said he had never seen it on a cat before. The cat is still alive he hasn 't been vaccinated since the cancer was removed 8 years ago. dpowell605 <POWDER914aol> wrote: Vets have noted cancers in dogs at injection sites..> >> > Actually, St Jude IS wonderful. My cousin's 5 year old son is being> > treated for cancer there at no cost to his parents who cannot afford> > it otherwise. My son is vaccine damaged but I don't begrudge them> > getting help at that institution. Sometimes you have to take the good> > with the bad. I am thankful for St.

Jude no matter what their> > policies are on vaccines. Vicki> >>

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Debi-you too-just be sure to check what is in the rabies shot. apparently there are different versions of them. MDebi <fightingautism@...> wrote: A couple of yrs ago I took in my daughter's cat. She got rabies & feline leukemia. She didn't eat after that, a day later we took herback, the vet took one look at her & immediately started an IV. Hesaid, "I believe she's had what's called a 'vaccine reaction.' That'swhen --" I stopped him right there & said, "YOu don't have to explain it

to me,you see that little girl out there? She has autism because of avaccine reaction, only me would this also happen to with our cat afterevery thing else!" He told me it was probably the FeLV and he would recommend in thefuture to...I don't even remember what I he said. I told him not toworry, there would be no more "next time." We probably will do rabiesagain because she is an outdoor cat & we have lots of 'possums & racoons in the neighborhood, along with active cases of rabies in theregion each summer. But we ain't ever doing the FeLV again. We alsohave a service dog in training, so we have to have the mandatory onesfor her to have public access. Debi

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You can request that your vet order the rabies vaccine

withOUT the thimerasol (MERCURY). Same manufacturer

and I think it even costs less. GO FIGURE! Our vet

listened to me and now only gives that vaccine mercury

free.

Unfortunately not all of the vaccines are offered

without thimerasol but if more of us ask or refuse to

vaccinate they may change the ingredients.

FWIW our vet does not think the lyme vaccine is

effective....she has vaccinated lots of dogs for lyme

that did get lyme anyway. The lyme vaccine can only be

purchased with mercury.

--- Nora Gottlieb <nwgott@...> wrote:

> My vets office will not board my cat unless he has

> *all his shots*!

> Nor will they groom or give him a bath.

> A Maine Coon, he is a handfull! Probably because

> of the shots he had for the cat show where we found

> him at a year of age. He is a winner though, I hope

> he survives the previous year's vaccines.

> I only want to do the rabis shot,we have a lot of

> sick animals in the wild here, sometimes he does get

> out. ng

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> We aren't getting our cats vaccinated either. All

> they got was whatever vaccines they received while

> at the shelter from where we adopted them. They

> don't need rabies vaccines, because they are indoor

> cats and when we do let them outside at the cottage,

> they are either on a leash or we stick with them

> like glue and they don't even try to go far.

> However, I can forsee problems coming up if we ever

> try to take them to a vet for other health issues.

> One of the first things they ask for is the cat's

> vaccine records, to ensure that they are up to date

> on their vaccines before even looking at them.

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> Aasa

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> jane tallman <j_tallman@...> wrote:

> I had a cat that had a type of cancer that only

> dogs get. That's what the vet said he had never seen

> it on a cat before. The cat is still alive he hasn

> 't been vaccinated since the cancer was removed 8

> years ago.

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> dpowell605 <POWDER914@...> wrote:

> Vets have noted cancers in dogs at injection

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> but I don't begrudge them

> > > getting help at that institution.

> Sometimes you have to take the

> good

> > > with the bad. I am thankful for St. Jude

> no matter what their

> > > policies are on vaccines. Vicki

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the lyme vaccine is fairly new I believe and I think it is still optional.(well it's really optional anyway). maurineDebi <fightingautism@...> wrote: I agree. I'll be honest, I've always not paid animal shots too muchattention because...well...they're animals & since I've had kids Idon't get nearly as attached. But, my kids do. And, since we'veinvested so much time & energy into getting our SD trained, I'vebecome far more concerned. The last thing we need is to have put somuch time into a

dog that gets sick because of a shot. It is hard,though, in a region where access isn't so easily given to a SD to thenfight the shots battle on top of it, on top of already fighting it forkids. I don't think Lyme is required here, but I could be wrong.Debi >> You can request that your vet order the rabies vaccine> withOUT the thimerasol (MERCURY). Same manufacturer> and I think it even costs less. GO FIGURE! Our vet> listened to me and now only gives that vaccine mercury> free.> > Unfortunately not all of the vaccines are offered> without thimerasol but if more of us ask or refuse to> vaccinate they may change the ingredients.> > FWIW our vet does not think the lyme vaccine is> effective....she has vaccinated lots of

dogs for lyme> that did get lyme anyway. The lyme vaccine can only be> purchased with mercury.> >

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