Re: as far as being in the back

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/02/2000 12:14:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

eyore68@... writes:

<<

Barb, I know which asian gal you mean...i think, if it

the one on AL6 with t-shirt and bandanna...I was not

sure if that was mail or female...

na >>

LOL BUT I don't have AL6!!!!

It is one of the work-outs I think

Tall girl behind towards our right

Saw another horrid puncher on AL4 this morning

short Asian girl also to the right near

her elbows were as far from her body as they can go

so I doubt it is form or looks that determines placement

Barb

who just realized one of these gals may be a lurker on the list and I just

put my foot in my huge mouth LOL

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/2/00 2:31:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Horsemom2@...

writes:

<< Saw another horrid puncher on AL4 this morning >>

What dives me nuts is watching people do the uppercuts! So many people just

swing their arms back and forth. They don't " snap " the punches like

says to do. If you look at Shellie and then at some of the other people in

the class you can really see the difference between the right way and the

wrong way!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/02/2000 4:16:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

aline@... writes:

<< (who is NOT LOL-ing viciously like Barb, who DID PUT HER FOOT IN HER HUGE

MOUTH, in her own words below) >>

Aline,

I know you were hurt and rightfully so

but I didn't mean it as an attack or to be vicious

It was stupid and ignorant of me

I'm so upset, I'm on the verge of unsubbing myself

Barb

who is seeing the silver lining here that at least, Aline has delurked and

hopes she stays even if I go though I would have loved to have gotten to know

her better but perhaps, it is time for me to move on cuz I will no longer be

comfortable here

[Guest guest]

Barb, I know which asian gal you mean...i think, if it

the one on AL6 with t-shirt and bandanna...I was not

sure if that was mail or female...

na

--- Horsemom2@... wrote:

>

> Hey!!!!!

> Remember was in the back on one of the

> tapes but the camera

> still loved her

>

> Barb

> who also saw an annoying Asian woman right by

> on one of the new tapes

> who punched so poorly that it looked like she never

> did Tae-Bo before so

> doubts position means anything

>

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

> As Deb has said: " Fitness is a journey and it begins

> with the first step. "

> Visit our new vault site

> http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

>

[Guest guest]

At 02:37 PM 03/02/00 EST, Agaw12577@... wrote:

>What dives me nuts is watching people do the uppercuts! So many people just

>swing their arms back and forth. They don't " snap " the punches like

>says to do.

I know! This irks me too. They don't get the benefit of the abwork that

the uppercuts can give -- or the toning of the bicepts & triceps -- if

they don't concentrate on doing it right. Swinging your arms provides

aerobic benefits but not the toning.

-- Sandy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/2/00 3:35:57 PM Central Standard Time, Horsemom2@...

writes:

<<

>>

Aline and Barb...here I go sticking my nose in things...BUT having a TV show

in Austin I have relaized a valuable lesson about the viewer and the person

on tv. Alot of times people look at at tv screen and don't consciously think

about people existing outside of the television. I've gotten some major hate

mail from our viewers who have later met me at political functions and grown

to like me and apologize. Its unfortunate that we make judgements off of

someone's split second fame on tv. I will of course add that we often

notice problems in other people that we once struggled with. When Barb

mentioned your punches I ddin't know who she was talking about....I probably

didnt because I have some major problems with keeping my shoulders down (as

pointed out to me by at the tapings). I have really gotten better with

my sidekicks though and now I really do notice who has problems with their

sidekicks. It doesn't mean they wont get better...but I do get slightly

irritated wishing would go around and correct them...so I understand

how Barb made her observation. I also understand how hurt you must of felt

and how horrible Barb must have felt finding out you were n the list after

realizing she did make a mistake. I hope that both of you will stay active

in the group!!!! Barb you are awesome because you are so human and you are

very caring and supportive. Aline, I don't know much about you but you are so

brave to go out ot LA...I know I was there and it was HARD!!!!!! Please stay

with us!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

to Barb,

If it's the new basic tape, then, YES, that was me, and I lurk on this

list as well as elsewhere. I only post on Videofitness and had posted a

trip report there which is long gone now. I'm a little shy and they are

the only net-people I feel comfortable with because I've known them a long

time. I see now my fears were justified.

At first I felt just horrible reading that.

Then I thought of the wonderful time I had on my trip there last Nov.

and remembered that had actually complemented me on my kicks and

even asked me if I was a martial artist (I'm not, I've only taken 9

months of kungfu besides the tapes. So, my punches may have been more

kungfu style rather than taebo style). I admit my kicks are better

than my punches. But I'm working on them. I also had BAD stage fright (I'm

shy, remember).

So, I looked your picture up in the vault to get an idea of just who

thought I was " annoying " . (and WHY ANNOYING???????)

Then I felt SO SILLY for caring that someone like you, whom I don't even

KNOW, doesn't care for the way I punch. Especially after the nice things

said to me.

Still, you DID hurt my feelings and I don't understand why you felt the

need to attack a stranger to make someone else feel better about herself.

Do you have something against Asians, btw? You attacked another one

just now too. I don't understand this. What have they ever done to you?

(who is NOT LOL-ing viciously like Barb, who DID PUT HER FOOT IN HER HUGE

MOUTH, in her own words below)

-Aline

On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 Horsemom2@... wrote:

> In a message dated 03/02/2000 12:14:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> eyore68@... writes:

>

> <<

> Barb, I know which asian gal you mean...i think, if it

> the one on AL6 with t-shirt and bandanna...I was not

> sure if that was mail or female...

>

> na >>

>

> LOL BUT I don't have AL6!!!!

> It is one of the work-outs I think

> Tall girl behind towards our right

> Saw another horrid puncher on AL4 this morning

> short Asian girl also to the right near

> her elbows were as far from her body as they can go

> so I doubt it is form or looks that determines placement

>

> Barb

> who just realized one of these gals may be a lurker on the list and I just

> put my foot in my huge mouth LOL

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> As Deb has said: " Fitness is a journey and it begins with the first step. "

> Visit our new vault site http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

>

[Guest guest]

BARB - Don't you leave us! I find great and awesome inspiration in your

posts every single day!! I know where you are coming from and I have been

on lists where things like this have happened. I did leave a few lists and I

was sorry after I did. My motto on mistakes is that you learn from them and

move on. I know that I would be comfortable if you stayed here!! You get

and receive such support here I woudl be sad if you left us all.

Re: as far as being in the back

> In a message dated 03/02/2000 4:16:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> aline@... writes:

>

> << (who is NOT LOL-ing viciously like Barb, who DID PUT HER FOOT IN HER

HUGE

> MOUTH, in her own words below) >>

>

> Aline,

> I know you were hurt and rightfully so

> but I didn't mean it as an attack or to be vicious

> It was stupid and ignorant of me

> I'm so upset, I'm on the verge of unsubbing myself

>

> Barb

> who is seeing the silver lining here that at least, Aline has delurked and

> hopes she stays even if I go though I would have loved to have gotten to

know

> her better but perhaps, it is time for me to move on cuz I will no longer

be

> comfortable here

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> As Deb has said: " Fitness is a journey and it begins with the first step. "

> Visit our new vault site http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

>

[Guest guest]

horsemom-@... wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=13363

> I'm so upset, I'm on the verge of unsubbing myself

>

> Barb

> who is seeing the silver lining here that at least, Aline has

delurked and

> hopes she stays even if I go though I would have loved to have gotten

to know

> her better but perhaps, it is time for me to move on cuz I will no

longer be

> comfortable here

Barb,

Don't you dare unsub! You made a mistake and you apologized for it and

you were sincere in your apology. Aline has forgiven you and I'd even

go out on a limb and say that every person here has forgiven you....so

now all that's left is for you to forgive yourself (the hardest part).

You have been such an incredible part of this group....I hate to even

think of it without you. Hopefully, Aline will continue to post and

maybe the two of you can get past this! Please don't unsub Barb...it

really wouldn't be the same here without you and we all make

mistakes....you are no different!

[Guest guest]

Barb!!!! DON'T YOU DARE LEAVE!!!!!!

>:[

F

who is glad Aline has delurked, is sorry it took this for her to do it,

and hopes she joins in more often...truly!

horsemom-@... wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=13363

> In a message dated 03/02/2000 4:16:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> aline@... writes:

>

> << (who is NOT LOL-ing viciously like Barb, who DID PUT HER FOOT IN

HER HUGE

> MOUTH, in her own words below) >>

>

> Aline,

> I know you were hurt and rightfully so

> but I didn't mean it as an attack or to be vicious

> It was stupid and ignorant of me

> I'm so upset, I'm on the verge of unsubbing myself

>

> Barb

> who is seeing the silver lining here that at least, Aline has

delurked and

> hopes she stays even if I go though I would have loved to have gotten

to know

> her better but perhaps, it is time for me to move on cuz I will no

longer be

> comfortable here

[Guest guest]

At 05:41 PM 3/2/2000 -0800, wrote:

>Barb!!!! DON'T YOU DARE LEAVE!!!!!!

You beat me to it!

>who is glad Aline has delurked, is sorry it took this for her to do it,

>and hopes she joins in more often...truly!

That sums up my feelings exactly. I came into this whole thing rather

late, but I see it has been worked out in an intelligent, adult fashion. I

applaud Aline and Barb. You've both made me proud today.

Aline, stick around and keep posting. We'd all love to hear from you!

Barb, I don't *even* want to talk about you leaving this list!!

-- Sandy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/3/00 8:29:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

diamonique@... writes:

<< NO! NO! NO! There will be no unsubbing from this list! >>

I agree! No unsubbing! Where are you Barb?

[Guest guest]

I just read my mail for the first time and saw all the

controversy Barb and I caused. I too am sorry, and I

will unsub after ya'll read this if you want to. Barb

or I never meant to hurt anyone. We did not use asian

as an insult, just a way to describe who we were

talking about. Also, what you wrote about looking at

her picture was just as mean...I guess you were not

the same one I was talking about, but still, I should

not have said anything about anyones style, male or

female. So you have my apologies. Everyone makes

mistakes though, and we are not viciuos. I don't think

anyone should unsub....we should keep our mouths shut

when it comes to criticising others. Everyone makes

mistakes. Have you never hurt someones feelings? I

think you must have, we all have, escpcially with the

way you came back at her like that.

na......sorry, but meant no harm, so will not beat

myself or Barb up about it

--- Aline <aline@...> wrote:

>

> to Barb,

>

> If it's the new basic tape, then, YES, that was me,

> and I lurk on this

> list as well as elsewhere. I only post on

> Videofitness and had posted a

> trip report there which is long gone now. I'm a

> little shy and they are

> the only net-people I feel comfortable with because

> I've known them a long

> time. I see now my fears were justified.

>

> At first I felt just horrible reading that.

>

> Then I thought of the wonderful time I had on my

> trip there last Nov.

> and remembered that had actually complemented

> me on my kicks and

> even asked me if I was a martial artist (I'm not,

> I've only taken 9

> months of kungfu besides the tapes. So, my punches

> may have been more

> kungfu style rather than taebo style). I admit my

> kicks are better

> than my punches. But I'm working on them. I also had

> BAD stage fright (I'm

> shy, remember).

>

> So, I looked your picture up in the vault to get an

> idea of just who

> thought I was " annoying " . (and WHY ANNOYING???????)

>

> Then I felt SO SILLY for caring that someone like

> you, whom I don't even

> KNOW, doesn't care for the way I punch. Especially

> after the nice things

> said to me.

>

> Still, you DID hurt my feelings and I don't

> understand why you felt the

> need to attack a stranger to make someone else feel

> better about herself.

>

> Do you have something against Asians, btw? You

> attacked another one

> just now too. I don't understand this. What have

> they ever done to you?

>

> (who is NOT LOL-ing viciously like Barb, who DID PUT

> HER FOOT IN HER HUGE

> MOUTH, in her own words below)

>

> -Aline

>

>

> On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 Horsemom2@... wrote:

>

> > In a message dated 03/02/2000 12:14:56 PM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> > eyore68@... writes:

> >

> > <<

> > Barb, I know which asian gal you mean...i think,

> if it

> > the one on AL6 with t-shirt and bandanna...I was

> not

> > sure if that was mail or female...

> >

> > na >>

> >

> > LOL BUT I don't have AL6!!!!

> > It is one of the work-outs I think

> > Tall girl behind towards our right

> > Saw another horrid puncher on AL4 this morning

> > short Asian girl also to the right near

> > her elbows were as far from her body as they can

> go

> > so I doubt it is form or looks that determines

> placement

> >

> > Barb

> > who just realized one of these gals may be a

> lurker on the list and I just

> > put my foot in my huge mouth LOL

> >

> >

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > As Deb has said: " Fitness is a journey and it

> begins with the first step. "

> > Visit our new vault site

> http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

> >

[Guest guest]

At 05:03 AM 03/03/00 -0800, na wrote:

>I just read my mail for the first time and saw all the

>controversy Barb and I caused. I too am sorry, and I

>will unsub after ya'll read this if you want to.

NO! NO! NO! There will be no unsubbing from this list!

-- Sandy

[Guest guest]

Do not unsub, na. We all learned from yesterday. I love your

posts.

Elena

na wrote:

>

> I just read my mail for the first time and saw all the

> controversy Barb and I caused. I too am sorry, and I

> will unsub after ya'll read this if you want to. Barb

> or I never meant to hurt anyone.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/03/2000 10:57:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,

aline@... writes:

<< So.... group hug? >>

{{{Aline}}}

Although all is forgiven, I have decided to cutback on my time spent with

Tae-Bo_On and go back to giving more time to my other groups and managing the

family's stock portfolios. I know I have an obsessive personality and have

been spending too much time here and am using this opportunity to refocus my

online time. There are just so many hours in a day and Tae-Bo already gets at

least an hour of it daily from my work-outs.

So why don't you guys have fun and start a pool on guessing who the next most

frequent poster will be? Better yet, set up a poll on Egroups for guessing. I

have quite a lead for someone else to reach

Barb

who will be reading posts sporadically and more so if Sandy is AFK and needs

me to help with subscriptions in her absence

[Guest guest]

no no no na, don't unsub, it's over, Barb and I already made peace,

yes I know I lashed out defensively like a wild animal will do, I'm sorry

for that. I realize now no one meant any harm. Of course I've hurt peoples

feelings too before. And apologized. And been forgiven. And I believe that

we will be forgiven by the same measure that we forgive others. So if we

all do that too (forgive each other and not hold grudges) the world will

be a better place.

So.... group hug?

-Aline

On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, na wrote:

> I just read my mail for the first time and saw all the

> controversy Barb and I caused. I too am sorry, and I

> will unsub after ya'll read this if you want to. Barb

> or I never meant to hurt anyone. We did not use asian

> as an insult, just a way to describe who we were

> talking about. Also, what you wrote about looking at

> her picture was just as mean...I guess you were not

> the same one I was talking about, but still, I should

> not have said anything about anyones style, male or

> female. So you have my apologies. Everyone makes

> mistakes though, and we are not viciuos. I don't think

> anyone should unsub....we should keep our mouths shut

> when it comes to criticising others. Everyone makes

> mistakes. Have you never hurt someones feelings? I

> think you must have, we all have, escpcially with the

> way you came back at her like that.

>

> na......sorry, but meant no harm, so will not beat

> myself or Barb up about it

>

[Guest guest]

johnna <eyore6-@...> wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=13440

> I just read my mail for the first time and saw all the

> controversy Barb and I caused. I too am sorry, and I

> will unsub after ya'll read this if you want to.

na,

Don't unsub....Aline has already forgiven everyone involved and there

is no reason for anyone to leave I have to say, though, that I

think Aline handled the situation incredibly well.....she made her

point to Barb without attacking her and handled the whole thing with

more tact and compassion than I would have been able to. I have

learned a lot from this whole situation....both about what I write and

how it might affect people and also about how to forgive if I am ever

in the position of being the one who is hurt!

[Guest guest]

aline <alin-@...> wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=13454

> no no no na, don't unsub, it's over, Barb and I already made

peace,

> yes I know I lashed out defensively like a wild animal will do, I'm

sorry

> for that. I realize now no one meant any harm. Of course I've hurt

peoples

> feelings too before. And apologized. And been forgiven. And I believe

that

> we will be forgiven by the same measure that we forgive others. So if

we

> all do that too (forgive each other and not hold grudges) the world

will

> be a better place.

> So.... group hug?

> -Aline

Aline,

Wow....all I can say is you are one amazing person and I have learned a

valuable lesson from you! Thank you.

[Guest guest]

horsemom-@... wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=13474

>

> Although all is forgiven, I have decided to cutback on my time spent

with

> Tae-Bo_On and go back to giving more time to my other groups and

managing the

> family's stock portfolios.

Barb,

I am so sorry to hear that you won't be spending as much time here with

us, but I understand your need to cut back and devote your time and

energy to some other stuff going on in your life right now! We will

miss you terribly and probably talk about you often <grin>. I hope

that you pop back in every now and then (especially when our topics get

so far off topic that we need you to somehow tie it all in to

tae-bo...lol) and let us know how things are with you! You have been

such a wonderful part of this group and so supportive of everyone who

has joined and posted. I feel lucky to have been part of this group

for so long and to have had the chance to read all of your posts every

day! I feel sorry for the people who have yet to join who will not

have the same opportunity to get to know you.....we will miss you very,

very much

who hopes Barb keeps reading and posting and updating us on her

progress....especially when that dang plateau finally breaks and the

pounds come flying off

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sandy and Elena! You girls rule!!!! Where is

everyone today?

na

--- etcarroll <etcarroll@...> wrote:

>

> Do not unsub, na. We all learned from

> yesterday. I love your

> posts.

>

> Elena

>

> na wrote:

> >

> > I just read my mail for the first time and saw all

> the

> > controversy Barb and I caused. I too am sorry, and

> I

> > will unsub after ya'll read this if you want to.

> Barb

> > or I never meant to hurt anyone.

>

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

> As Deb has said: " Fitness is a journey and it begins

> with the first step. "

> Visit our new vault site

> http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

>

[Guest guest]

johnna <eyore6-@...> wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=13481

> Thanks Sandy and Elena! You girls rule!!!! Where is

> everyone today?

>

> na

>

> --- etcarroll <etcarroll@...> wrote:

> >

> > Do not unsub, na. We all learned from

> > yesterday. I love your

> > posts.

> >

> > Elena

> >

> > na wrote:

> > >

> > > I just read my mail for the first time and saw all

> > the

> > > controversy Barb and I caused. I too am sorry, and

> > I

> > > will unsub after ya'll read this if you want to.

> > Barb

> > > or I never meant to hurt anyone.

> >

> >

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

---

> > As Deb has said: " Fitness is a journey and it begins

> > with the first step. "

> > Visit our new vault site

> > http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

> >

[Guest guest]

" *mary* " <mmgrave-@...> wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=13375

> BARB - Don't you leave us! I find great and awesome inspiration in

your

> posts every single day!! I know where you are coming from and I have

been

> on lists where things like this have happened. I did leave a few

lists and I

> was sorry after I did. My motto on mistakes is that you learn from

them and

> move on. I know that I would be comfortable if you stayed here!! You

get

> and receive such support here I woudl be sad if you left us all.

>

>

> Re: as far as being in the back

>

>

> > In a message dated 03/02/2000 4:16:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > aline@... writes:

> >

> > << (who is NOT LOL-ing viciously like Barb, who DID PUT HER FOOT IN

HER

> HUGE

> > MOUTH, in her own words below) >>

> >

> > Aline,

> > I know you were hurt and rightfully so

> > but I didn't mean it as an attack or to be vicious

> > It was stupid and ignorant of me

> > I'm so upset, I'm on the verge of unsubbing myself

> >

> > Barb

> > who is seeing the silver lining here that at least, Aline has

delurked and

> > hopes she stays even if I go though I would have loved to have

gotten to

> know

> > her better but perhaps, it is time for me to move on cuz I will no

longer

> be

> > comfortable here

> >

> > -------------------------------------------------------------------

-----

> > As Deb has said: " Fitness is a journey and it begins with the first

step. "

> > Visit our new vault site http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

> >