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Hello, has anyone had the experience where their child is upset when

they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is healed. Examples

include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is removed. We get

huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the area. Anyone else

have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming that his finger

still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after a huge tantrum

that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it put back in -- and

then he wasn't even talking about the right finger hurting. Right now

he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I said, not even

about the right finger that he says is hurting. Thanks for any shared

experiences on this.

Barbara

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A few weeks ago, my (Tourette's, but probably non-OCD; my 10yo dd is the OCDer)

13yo son had an infected finger from where he had bit his fingernail too short.

For several days he had been after me to lance it with a needle (something I

have occasionally done for him in the past). But this time, when I finally got a

chance to do it, he had what I can only describe as a full-blown panic attack.

When I would get anywhere near him with the needle he would " hide " that finger

and scream at me to get away from him. My husband finally had to practically lay

on him and hold his hand still for me to do it. And even at that it took several

tries because he would fold his hand over and scream at us. It really needed to

be done, and I know that if we had taken him to the doctor they would just have

done what I did. Once I got it " stuck " , which only took a brief second, he was

OK for the " squeezing out " part. (BTW, I had thoroughly sterilized the needle

with alcohol, and after it was over applied

antibiotic ointment.) He doesn't usually react that way to needles or shots.

Although, I do remember having to take him to the doctor for a splinter once

when he was about 3 or 4 for pretty much the same reason -- I just couldn't get

to it with a tweezers and/or needle because he panicked.

P.

bbrodley <bbrodley@...> wrote:

Hello, has anyone had the experience where their child is upset when

they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is healed. Examples

include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is removed. We get

huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the area. Anyone else

have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming that his finger

still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after a huge tantrum

that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it put back in -- and

then he wasn't even talking about the right finger hurting. Right now

he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I said, not even

about the right finger that he says is hurting. Thanks for any shared

experiences on this.

Barbara

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Hi Barbara, my child has done similar things. I think it has to do with OCD

" right " and " not right " , or same and different, and my child would get a big

wave of panic anxiety when the healed or fixed area was " not the same "

anymore. An ex is when my dd had to wear an ACE bandage on a sprained wrist

for a couple of weeks. When the wrist no longer hurt and the bandage was no

longer needed, she " had to " keep wearing it because her wrist was " not

right " without it.

It's a peculiarity of OCD thinking that an injured body part could be

perceived as " right " instead of the normal version-- :-/

Also, since OCD hit (age four), she's had an ongoing obsession or issue with

treating minor cuts, scrapes, splinters, etc. No ab ointment, no bandage,

and when I've insisted she panics similar to your son.

In any case it seems your son is experiencing high anxiety or panic over

this. For my child, the right meds and effective therapy reduced the

intensity of all these sorts of obsessions/compulsions. It helps sometimes

to remember that OCD is OCD and the specific content of the obsession

doesn't matter too much. Your son may not even be able to explain why this

triggers so much anxiety.

I remember reading in some book about an adult OCDer in history, convinced

that his nose would fall off if he stopped holding it, and in a panic over

this. Despite examination and repeated reassurance from his doctor, the man

could not be convinced that his nose was attached and fine. OCD can focus

on just about anything it seems.

Kathy R. in Indiana

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From: " bbrodley " <bbrodley@...>

> Hello, has anyone had the experience where their child is upset when

> they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is healed. Examples

> include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is removed. We get

> huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the area. Anyone else

> have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming that his finger

> still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after a huge tantrum

> that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it put back in -- and

> then he wasn't even talking about the right finger hurting. Right now

> he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I said, not even

> about the right finger that he says is hurting. Thanks for any shared

> experiences on this.

>

> Barbara

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Thanks for your comment. Actually it is possible that my son could

have Tourettes as he has had intermittant tics for two years now,

mostly eye/nose tics that pop up about every 3 months, but this

Thanksgiving he had a breathing tic -- which from what I understand is

considered " vocal " . I believe it's possible his OCD type behaviors

which are not rituals but more obsessive thinking could be explained

if he turns out to have Tourettes (of course I hope like crazy that he

doesn't have it). My son is six.

Barbara

> Hello, has anyone had the experience where their child is upset when

> they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is healed. Examples

> include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is removed. We get

> huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the area. Anyone else

> have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming that his finger

> still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after a huge tantrum

> that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it put back in -- and

> then he wasn't even talking about the right finger hurting. Right now

> he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I said, not even

> about the right finger that he says is hurting. Thanks for any shared

> experiences on this.

>

> Barbara

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Thanks for your comment. Actually it is possible that my son could

have Tourettes as he has had intermittant tics for two years now,

mostly eye/nose tics that pop up about every 3 months, but this

Thanksgiving he had a breathing tic -- which from what I understand is

considered " vocal " . I believe it's possible his OCD type behaviors

which are not rituals but more obsessive thinking could be explained

if he turns out to have Tourettes (of course I hope like crazy that he

doesn't have it). My son is six.

Barbara

> Hello, has anyone had the experience where their child is upset when

> they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is healed. Examples

> include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is removed. We get

> huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the area. Anyone else

> have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming that his finger

> still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after a huge tantrum

> that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it put back in -- and

> then he wasn't even talking about the right finger hurting. Right now

> he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I said, not even

> about the right finger that he says is hurting. Thanks for any shared

> experiences on this.

>

> Barbara

>

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Thanks for sharing your experience. Your comments make me feel like I

have properly identified the issue and I, too, think my son can't

explain his feelings of why he wants the injury to remain unchanged

even if it's painful. The splinter removal and aftermath turned out

to be a five-hour long ordeal with intermittant periods of calmness. I

had to ask my husband to come home from work early. Even when my son

was almost asleep he would suddenly start crying and biting his finger

to hurt it, but then also complaining that it hurt (when I turned the

lights on it wasn't even the right finger!).

This morning everytime my son looked at his fingers, I immediately

distracted him. When he showed his fingers to his father, my husband

ignored it too. Because we don't seem to have the right words, no

matter what we say. Everything we say seems to make it more

upsetting, so we've decided ignoring it at this point is the only

workable strategy. I decided to not even tell his teacher.

Barbara

>

> Hi Barbara, my child has done similar things. I think it has to do

with OCD

> " right " and " not right " , or same and different, and my child would

get a big

> wave of panic anxiety when the healed or fixed area was " not the same "

> anymore. An ex is when my dd had to wear an ACE bandage on a

sprained wrist

> for a couple of weeks. When the wrist no longer hurt and the

bandage was no

> longer needed, she " had to " keep wearing it because her wrist was " not

> right " without it.

>

> It's a peculiarity of OCD thinking that an injured body part could be

> perceived as " right " instead of the normal version-- :-/

>

> Also, since OCD hit (age four), she's had an ongoing obsession or

issue with

> treating minor cuts, scrapes, splinters, etc. No ab ointment, no

bandage,

> and when I've insisted she panics similar to your son.

>

> In any case it seems your son is experiencing high anxiety or panic

over

> this. For my child, the right meds and effective therapy reduced the

> intensity of all these sorts of obsessions/compulsions. It helps

sometimes

> to remember that OCD is OCD and the specific content of the obsession

> doesn't matter too much. Your son may not even be able to explain

why this

> triggers so much anxiety.

>

> I remember reading in some book about an adult OCDer in history,

convinced

> that his nose would fall off if he stopped holding it, and in a

panic over

> this. Despite examination and repeated reassurance from his doctor,

the man

> could not be convinced that his nose was attached and fine. OCD can

focus

> on just about anything it seems.

>

> Kathy R. in Indiana

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " bbrodley " <bbrodley@...>

>

> > Hello, has anyone had the experience where their child is upset when

> > they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is healed. Examples

> > include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is removed. We get

> > huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the area. Anyone else

> > have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming that his finger

> > still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after a huge tantrum

> > that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it put back in -- and

> > then he wasn't even talking about the right finger hurting. Right now

> > he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I said, not even

> > about the right finger that he says is hurting. Thanks for any shared

> > experiences on this.

> >

> > Barbara

>

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When I read this post it reminded me of when Bre was younger she

would scratch her finger across each wrist and then lick it. I had

no idea what she was doing. Later she told me she was having

thoughts of slitting her wrists and so she would slit it herself

(with her finger) and then lick it to heal it. She didn't really

want to slit her wrists, she hated that thought! It was her ocd and

I learned later it was an obbession and compulsion act. Bre will get

all sorts of ugly thoughts, cutting her fingers off, stabbing me,

whatever horrible thought she doesn't want to have, she will have.

Ocd locks into what the child hates or what they fear. Therapy has

helped her alot! I hate this disease!

Sandy

-- In , " bbrodley " <bbrodley@...>

wrote:

>

> Thanks for sharing your experience. Your comments make me feel

like I

> have properly identified the issue and I, too, think my son can't

> explain his feelings of why he wants the injury to remain unchanged

> even if it's painful. The splinter removal and aftermath turned

out

> to be a five-hour long ordeal with intermittant periods of

calmness. I

> had to ask my husband to come home from work early. Even when my

son

> was almost asleep he would suddenly start crying and biting his

finger

> to hurt it, but then also complaining that it hurt (when I turned

the

> lights on it wasn't even the right finger!).

>

> This morning everytime my son looked at his fingers, I immediately

> distracted him. When he showed his fingers to his father, my

husband

> ignored it too. Because we don't seem to have the right words, no

> matter what we say. Everything we say seems to make it more

> upsetting, so we've decided ignoring it at this point is the only

> workable strategy. I decided to not even tell his teacher.

>

> Barbara

>

>

> >

> > Hi Barbara, my child has done similar things. I think it has to

do

> with OCD

> > " right " and " not right " , or same and different, and my child

would

> get a big

> > wave of panic anxiety when the healed or fixed area was " not the

same "

> > anymore. An ex is when my dd had to wear an ACE bandage on a

> sprained wrist

> > for a couple of weeks. When the wrist no longer hurt and the

> bandage was no

> > longer needed, she " had to " keep wearing it because her wrist

was " not

> > right " without it.

> >

> > It's a peculiarity of OCD thinking that an injured body part

could be

> > perceived as " right " instead of the normal version-- :-/

> >

> > Also, since OCD hit (age four), she's had an ongoing obsession or

> issue with

> > treating minor cuts, scrapes, splinters, etc. No ab ointment, no

> bandage,

> > and when I've insisted she panics similar to your son.

> >

> > In any case it seems your son is experiencing high anxiety or

panic

> over

> > this. For my child, the right meds and effective therapy

reduced the

> > intensity of all these sorts of obsessions/compulsions. It helps

> sometimes

> > to remember that OCD is OCD and the specific content of the

obsession

> > doesn't matter too much. Your son may not even be able to

explain

> why this

> > triggers so much anxiety.

> >

> > I remember reading in some book about an adult OCDer in history,

> convinced

> > that his nose would fall off if he stopped holding it, and in a

> panic over

> > this. Despite examination and repeated reassurance from his

doctor,

> the man

> > could not be convinced that his nose was attached and fine. OCD

can

> focus

> > on just about anything it seems.

> >

> > Kathy R. in Indiana

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " bbrodley " <bbrodley@>

> >

> > > Hello, has anyone had the experience where their child is

upset when

> > > they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is healed.

Examples

> > > include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is removed.

We get

> > > huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the area.

Anyone else

> > > have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming that his

finger

> > > still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after a huge

tantrum

> > > that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it put back

in -- and

> > > then he wasn't even talking about the right finger hurting.

Right now

> > > he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I said, not

even

> > > about the right finger that he says is hurting. Thanks for

any shared

> > > experiences on this.

> > >

> > > Barbara

> >

>

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Hi Barbara,

Your post sounded familiar.

My son is doing a funny heavy breathing thru his nose

thing for about 2 months now. It sounds forced and on

purpose and he insists it is because his nose is

stuffed up (it is kind of stuffed up for a while

--maybe an allergy) He also links his eyes rapidly

sometimes. And sticks his lips out and wiggles them

back and forth which he says is done to scratch his

itchy nose.

His OCD is also more thoughts and not many rituals (at

least that he lets me see)

Lynn

--- bbrodley <bbrodley@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Thanks for your comment. Actually it is possible that

my son could

have Tourettes as he has had intermittant tics for two

years now,

mostly eye/nose tics that pop up about every 3 months,

but this

Thanksgiving he had a breathing tic -- which from what

I understand is

considered " vocal " . I believe it's possible his OCD

type behaviors

which are not rituals but more obsessive thinking

could be explained

if he turns out to have Tourettes (of course I hope

like crazy that he

doesn't have it). My son is six.

Barbara

> Hello, has anyone had the experience where their

child is upset when

> they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is

healed. Examples

> include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is

removed. We get

> huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the

area. Anyone else

> have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming

that his finger

> still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after

a huge tantrum

> that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it

put back in -- and

> then he wasn't even talking about the right finger

hurting. Right now

> he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I

said, not even

> about the right finger that he says is hurting.

Thanks for any shared

> experiences on this.

>

> Barbara

>

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Hi Barbara,

Your post sounded familiar.

My son is doing a funny heavy breathing thru his nose

thing for about 2 months now. It sounds forced and on

purpose and he insists it is because his nose is

stuffed up (it is kind of stuffed up for a while

--maybe an allergy) He also links his eyes rapidly

sometimes. And sticks his lips out and wiggles them

back and forth which he says is done to scratch his

itchy nose.

His OCD is also more thoughts and not many rituals (at

least that he lets me see)

Lynn

--- bbrodley <bbrodley@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Thanks for your comment. Actually it is possible that

my son could

have Tourettes as he has had intermittant tics for two

years now,

mostly eye/nose tics that pop up about every 3 months,

but this

Thanksgiving he had a breathing tic -- which from what

I understand is

considered " vocal " . I believe it's possible his OCD

type behaviors

which are not rituals but more obsessive thinking

could be explained

if he turns out to have Tourettes (of course I hope

like crazy that he

doesn't have it). My son is six.

Barbara

> Hello, has anyone had the experience where their

child is upset when

> they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is

healed. Examples

> include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is

removed. We get

> huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the

area. Anyone else

> have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming

that his finger

> still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after

a huge tantrum

> that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it

put back in -- and

> then he wasn't even talking about the right finger

hurting. Right now

> he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I

said, not even

> about the right finger that he says is hurting.

Thanks for any shared

> experiences on this.

>

> Barbara

>

>

>

>

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My son's was a gasping as if he didn't have enough air. It seemed to

be a tic -- sometimes it would interfere with speaking and it would

get more frequent when he was tired or excited (during a fun game for

instance). I was so happy to see it go away ...

> > Hello, has anyone had the experience where their

> child is upset when

> > they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is

> healed. Examples

> > include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is

> removed. We get

> > huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the

> area. Anyone else

> > have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming

> that his finger

> > still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after

> a huge tantrum

> > that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it

> put back in -- and

> > then he wasn't even talking about the right finger

> hurting. Right now

> > he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I

> said, not even

> > about the right finger that he says is hurting.

> Thanks for any shared

> > experiences on this.

> >

> > Barbara

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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My son's was a gasping as if he didn't have enough air. It seemed to

be a tic -- sometimes it would interfere with speaking and it would

get more frequent when he was tired or excited (during a fun game for

instance). I was so happy to see it go away ...

> > Hello, has anyone had the experience where their

> child is upset when

> > they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is

> healed. Examples

> > include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is

> removed. We get

> > huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the

> area. Anyone else

> > have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming

> that his finger

> > still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after

> a huge tantrum

> > that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it

> put back in -- and

> > then he wasn't even talking about the right finger

> hurting. Right now

> > he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I

> said, not even

> > about the right finger that he says is hurting.

> Thanks for any shared

> > experiences on this.

> >

> > Barbara

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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School-aged kids are very " body conscious " and this is a normal part

of development. They have fears of death and mutilation and it is

also at this age that they begin to question and somewhat understand

what death and dying is. It is no wonder then that an OCD kid would

experience this " growing pain " ten-fold. It sounds as if it is the

change about his body (skin integrity, appearance, ect...) that is

scary to your son. Maybe when he is not upset you can talk to kim

about how a body heals itself, ect.. And you may want to talk to your

therapist and/or doctor as an injury may be the trigger for some

obsessions that you can work on.

Best wishes,

Bonnie

>

> Hello, has anyone had the experience where their child is upset when

> they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is healed. Examples

> include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is removed. We get

> huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the area. Anyone else

> have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming that his finger

> still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after a huge tantrum

> that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it put back in -- and

> then he wasn't even talking about the right finger hurting. Right now

> he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I said, not even

> about the right finger that he says is hurting. Thanks for any shared

> experiences on this.

>

> Barbara

>

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School-aged kids are very " body conscious " and this is a normal part

of development. They have fears of death and mutilation and it is

also at this age that they begin to question and somewhat understand

what death and dying is. It is no wonder then that an OCD kid would

experience this " growing pain " ten-fold. It sounds as if it is the

change about his body (skin integrity, appearance, ect...) that is

scary to your son. Maybe when he is not upset you can talk to kim

about how a body heals itself, ect.. And you may want to talk to your

therapist and/or doctor as an injury may be the trigger for some

obsessions that you can work on.

Best wishes,

Bonnie

>

> Hello, has anyone had the experience where their child is upset when

> they get hurt, but then even more upset when it is healed. Examples

> include when a scab falls off or when a splinter is removed. We get

> huge tantrums and he tries to rehurt himself in the area. Anyone else

> have a child like this? Tonight he was screaming that his finger

> still hurt after the splinter was taken out -- after a huge tantrum

> that we took out the splinter and that he wanted it put back in -- and

> then he wasn't even talking about the right finger hurting. Right now

> he has been screaming for over an hour, and like I said, not even

> about the right finger that he says is hurting. Thanks for any shared

> experiences on this.

>

> Barbara

>

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