Re: Digest Number 612

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Meg from No. CA wrote:

" I have heard from several different masseuse that massages are not good for

Lymies "

This disease is new to me and I was just curious as to WHY it is not good?

Kate in MO

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Dear Members,

You have all been a great source of info and help...Does anyone know if there

is a JRA foundation of any sort and any chapters in NY

Thanks ...

Nick

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Nick,

The nearest arthritis foundation to me is in Syracuse.I am not aware of

any JRA foundations. If I find out anything I will let you know. Where in NY

are you ? We are in Rome.

Teri

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Nick -

<A HREF= " http://www.arthritis.org/ " >Arthritis Foundation

Home Page</A> -http://www.arthritis.org

You might give this site a try. You can search the Chapter

Directory (under Tools) to find a chapter or branch near you. There are

several chapters and branches in NY. Also, there is a council within the

Arthritis Foundation known as AJAO which exists to support both children with

JRA (and other rheumatic illnesses) and their parents. There are AJAO

support groups within some of the local chapters as well. AJAO also has

yearly conferences for families, either national or regional (the national

conference was in Orlando this year). Type " AJAO " under Keyword and that

should get you there.

Hope this helps a little.

Joan

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I'd like to post something here that I found on Lipoic Acid, and posted

elsewhere. I'd caution parents of AUTISTIC CHILDREN to not use ALA or LA

(same thing) without the guidance of someone experienced in chelating

children. NEVER use LA as the first line of chelation for children in whom

there is even a remote chance of mercury toxicity.

This is a quote from:

Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology 1992 May;114(1):88-96

Effect of lipoic acid on biliary excretion of glutathione and metals.

Gregus Z, Stein AF, Varga F, Klaassen CD

Department of Pharmacology, University Medical School of Pecs, Hungary.

pages 89-96

Bottom of page 91- last paragraph:

" The effect of LA (lipoic acid) injected at 1 minute after administration of

Hg, MM (methylmercury), Cd, Zn and Cu on the tissue distribution of these

metals at the end of the 3-hr bile collection is shown in Table 1. Alteration

of tissue distribution of metals in response to LA was different for each

metal examined. Zn concentrations in tissues were minimally influenced by LA

administration. In contrast, extensive changes in tissue distribution of Cu

and Hg were observed. LA decreased Hg levels in the kidney (i.e. the organ

accumulating Hg most abundantly), intestine and fat while increasing

concentrations of Hg in blood, brain, lung, heart, muscle and liver...(I

omitted a sentence about Cu) (article continued to page 92 just below gragh)

Less extensive changes in tissue distribution of MM and Cd were noted in LA

injected rats. However, the altered distribution of these two metals is also

characterized with reduced concentrations in tissues which avidly concentrate

metals (blood, spleen, and kidney in the case of MM; liver in the case of Cd)

and concomitantly increased metal concentrations in some other tissues, such

as brain and muscle for MM and kidney and muscle for Cd. " Page 91 also has a

table on: Effect of Lipoic Acid on tissue Distribution of Metals; Various

tissues are along one side with the various Metals across the top with

columns for LA and C (the control substance).

So using DMSA or DMPS first to clear the body of mercury before using LA is

wise, but at what point do you know ALL the mercury is out of everywhere else

and not going to get sent to the brain instead? I've read that most of you

are using urine tests, yet most mercury is eliminated via the bowels, some of

it is also reabsorbed from the bowels. I'm still reading and looking for

answers in this area. I want to make sure I'm only helping my child, not

accidentally making him worse. If any of you can point me to articles that

explain how to keep from having the mercury reabsorbed and/or sent to brain I

want to read them. (I've looked at several hundred abstracts now and read

around 30 full text articles with no luck.)

Thanks,

Ruth (RN), mom to , age 16,

LKS/autism

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:04:23 -0700

From: " Aly " <tafa@...>

Subject: RE: hair test results

,

I haven't gotten my son's hair test back yet - but I'm sure I may have the

same reaction when I do see his results. Looking at the archieves of this

list, Cutler,

a Chemist & person who had Mercury toxicity, recommended the following for

high lead and migh arsenic (see Message 1157 of the archieves under

egroups)

" Lead: DMSA every 4 hours for 3-7 days, skip at least as long, repeat for

3 - 6 months. "

" Arsenic: as for mercury, but it works faster and better. "

" Mercury - lipoic acid with optionally DMSA or DMPS every 3 hours for 3

days, skip 4-11

(days), repeat 30 times. "

my comments: remember, I believe Dr. Holmes does not choose DMPS for our

kids...Looks like using the new suggested protocol of DMSA + lipoic acid may

work well for your son.

But, I'm just a mom who reads what experts have stated.... Aly

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Talk to Andy Cutler at AndyCutler@.... He has studied this extensively.

RE: hair test results

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>I haven't gotten my son's hair test back yet - but I'm sure I may have the

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>same reaction when I do see his results. Looking at the archieves of this

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>list, Cutler,

>

>a Chemist & person who had Mercury toxicity, recommended the following for

>

>high lead and migh arsenic (see Message 1157 of the archieves under

>

>egroups)

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> " Lead: DMSA every 4 hours for 3-7 days, skip at least as long, repeat for

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>3 - 6 months. "

>

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> " Arsenic: as for mercury, but it works faster and better. "

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> " Mercury - lipoic acid with optionally DMSA or DMPS every 3 hours for 3

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>days, skip 4-11

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>(days), repeat 30 times. "

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>

>my comments: remember, I believe Dr. Holmes does not choose DMPS for our

>

>kids...Looks like using the new suggested protocol of DMSA + lipoic acid

may

>

>work well for your son.

>

>But, I'm just a mom who reads what experts have stated.... Aly

>

>

>

>

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Hi Everyone,

To get rid of parasites do you have to eat fresh pumpkin seeds or could you eat pumpkin seeds from the snack bags that you can get at a grocery store. Every since I heard about pumpkin seeds killing parasites I figured that you have to get the seeds fresh out of the pumpkin or go to a health food store and get them in capsules or whatever. Could someone send me some information? Thanx in advance.

Claude

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Great info Robin!!

Different types of parasites call for different treatments. This is what I

am learning. Right now I am on a raw pineapple diet (tapeworms don't like

bromelain) in hopes to rid myself of what I believe is a tapeworm (s)

" hanging " around in my small intestines. I am also drinking crampbark tea as

well as senna leaf tea. I found that drinking senna leaf tea was what

allowed those " ropies " to be freed. Also taking Coenzyme Q10, which is

supposed help rid tapeworms.

I stopped taking large doses of pumpkin seeds, but I may have to try that

again. I am looking for " meliae " seeds...wondering if anyone knows where to

find them. Apparently they paralyze the parasite for 8hrs so you can flush

them out with herbal laxitives before it regains control.

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Wondering how Lenny is doing...any luck?

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About nutrition...Robin, you must be talking about " raw " milk, because

pasterized dairy milk is a major cause of osteoporosis.

Olive oil (olive leaf extract is good at keeping herpes at bay) is very

beneficial, however I wouldn't consider it a good source of EFA of linoleic

acid and linolenic acid. Pumpkin seeds and flax seeds are an excellent

source, but Hemp oil or borage oil is also a good source of GLA, so the

conversion is already done...

I too have suffered with herpes since I was 4 years old. Knock on wood, I

believe I have beaten it, but I guess we will see when I start taking those

large doses of pumpkin seeds...

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....and that's my 2 cents.

Donna

>I think it is more important to know what family the worm belongs to than

>the

>specific name of the worm.

>

>Robin G.

>The outbreak of symptoms of the herpes virus is caused by an imbalance

>ratio of two amino acids, which are lysine and arginine. In herpes through

>foods. The best food sources of EFA's are salmon, mackerel, sardines and

>olive oil. The best food source of calcium in a person with parasites,

>where

>absorption will inevitably be impaired, is milk. I don't think you

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, Failte Romhat-welcome

Hang in there and with diet more than anything else you will eventually get relief

I have name and tel # of an alternative practitioner in Dublin who uses a computer to do a bodyscan and suss out problem areas and prescribe whatever it determines you need to balance out your system......natmed@...

also good explanatory info at www.bodyscan.net with names of bodyscan practitioners worldwide.Info does not hurt-then you make your own decision.

I have found that regardless of what I take, what I do not take is the most important-like sugars, dairy,carbohyd. Can be tedious and boring-worth the renewal of energy for me!

Hi "stuck"....was not clear re your last message

What did you say we should read to learn about this wonder pill?

Thanks to all who send such valuable info

Blessings and good luck for the New Year-New Millwnium-new "us"!!

Aine

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Re: Digest Number 612

> , Failte Romhat-welcome

> Hang in there and with diet more than anything else you will eventually

get

> relief

> I have name and tel # of an alternative practitioner in Dublin who uses a

> computer to do a bodyscan and suss out problem areas and prescribe

whatever

> it determines you need to balance out your system......natmed@...

> also good explanatory info at www.bodyscan.net with names of bodyscan

> practitioners worldwide.Info does not hurt-then you make your own

decision.

> I have found that regardless of what I take, what I do not take is the

most

> important-like sugars, dairy,carbohyd. Can be tedious and boring-worth the

> renewal of energy for me!

> Hi " stuck " ....was not clear re your last message

> What did you say we should read to learn about this wonder pill?

> Thanks to all who send such valuable info

> Blessings and good luck for the New Year-New Millwnium-new " us " !!

> Aine

>

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Lizh,

how do you do some many life lifts?

I have trouble with 40!!

I've been very bad. Not sure why!!

starting again today. On vacation through 4/22..

I will go and do some now.

ellen

someday I'll be successful at this!!

Where is Karma? I just read all of the weeks posts and didn't see her

posting.

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Hi Ellen,

I'm here. Just spring cleaning and trying to stream line things so I'm not

on the computer all day long. I am still doing well.

Don't be hard on yourself, just eat your small meals 6 times a day. Do your

breathing and be happy in your body.

My daughters went to their Granny's for a few days. My oldest has been

doing Life Lift with me, she has asthma and gains weight very easily. She

and I have been working out together. She had finally gotten her fat off

and was in the normal child range and was finally able to be active without

it hurting her. In just four days at Granny's house she gained 12 pounds!

Granny insists that she eat 3 large meals a day even though I asked her to

feed the kids 6 small meals a day. Take the same amount of food and divide

it up into 6 meals. Granny said she didn't have time for that. So, my kids

came back home on the heavy side. My husband even noticed the difference.

Clothes that fit when they went, didn't fit when they came home. They were

active, roller blading in the driveway, kid stuff. This really brought it

home to me how important small meals more often is.

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Re: Digest Number 612

Lizh,

how do you do some many life lifts?

I have trouble with 40!!

I've been very bad. Not sure why!!

starting again today. On vacation through 4/22..

I will go and do some now.

ellen

someday I'll be successful at this!!

Where is Karma? I just read all of the weeks posts and didn't see her

posting.

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Hi Karma,

This message is great. Hopefully it should be a real eye opener to

many who have not yet grasped the importance of keeping the body

fueled by eating every few hours. Thanks for the reminder.

Your children are so fortunate to have you to care for them.

Take good care,

Rashelle

> Hi Ellen,

> Don't be hard on yourself, just eat your small meals 6 times a

day. Do your

> breathing and be happy in your body.

>

> My daughters went to their Granny's for a few days. My oldest has

been

> doing Life Lift with me, she has asthma and gains weight very

easily. She

> and I have been working out together. She had finally gotten her

fat off

> and was in the normal child range and was finally able to be active

without

> it hurting her. In just four days at Granny's house she gained 12

pounds!

> Granny insists that she eat 3 large meals a day even though I asked

her to

> feed the kids 6 small meals a day. Take the same amount of food

and divide

> it up into 6 meals. Granny said she didn't have time for that.

So, my kids

> came back home on the heavy side. My husband even noticed the

difference.

> Clothes that fit when they went, didn't fit when they came home.

They were

> active, roller blading in the driveway, kid stuff. This really

brought it

> home to me how important small meals more often is.

> ~Karma

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Hi Ellen,

It's great to hear from you!!!!

I've always loved exercise and it is something that I do for me. I like

the way it makes me look and feel. I feel bad when I don't do it. As

for reps. I decide the body parts that I want to work each day and just

do it. I have a certain set of exercises that I do for each body part and

they add up quickly. For example if I want to do outer thigh exercises on

the floor; I have a pattern of 5 different exercises for the outer thigh

that I do on the floor I do 5 of each on both legs that already equals 50

reps. It doesn't take long to do it.

Have a good day!!!! Happy Easter Weekend!!!!

Love, Liz

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Liz,

how do you do some many life lifts?

I have trouble with 40!!

I've been very bad. Not sure why!!

starting again today. On vacation through 4/22..

I will go and do some now.

ellen

someday I'll be successful at this!!

Where is Karma? I just read all of the weeks posts and didn't see her

posting.

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Can you refer me to anyone who practices according to Dr. 's practices? I live in the area between Albany and NYC

but I am willing to travel.

Blanche

Dr wrote:

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Weren't you from Thunder Bay?

Leo

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Now Jan, don't down yourself. You know, we enlightened men of the 21st century know that not having a job outside the home is not the same as not working! You take it easy and catch up on the house later. -dz-

Diane I feel alot better today..My back isn't hurting as much and I plan to do nothing int he house today..I think I'll take a couple of days off...LOL..Like I do alot anyway.LOL

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I remember my shock and surprise when I lived in Colorado to see golf courses with brown greens! Our golf courses are usually pretty lush, even when we're in a slight drought. It does pay to have the big drink (Lake Michigan) in our back yard. -dz-

Untill I retire & can leve the NOT SO GREAT SOUTHWEST I can a brown yard & a little green in the bank or a green yard & no green in the bank. So I will be sticking with the green in the bank. But once I retire & head back to the midwest I can have both. Terry

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Well I sure have been busy today.Brought boxes of just STUFF in the shed.bathed the 45 lb. pitt bull...fed her and the cats and went shopping and vaccumed my car...Now I'm beat but I just got more boxes to put more STUFF in..That's it though.I'm not washing the car.My daughter can...I still have little Shakey left to give a bath to..Then I'll be done but I am beat so I'm here resting for now....

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And when Fluffy speaks YOU LISTEN!!!!!! LOL

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Floyd does not want me to work..That's hard for me beings I always worked and supported myself and my kids..Now I am dependant on him..He doesn't mind me spending money (when I do) but that's not the point..I just felt better I guess when I did cause I didn't have to depend on anyone..I had a male freind of mine tell me once the reason I couldn't find a man was because I was too damn independant..Who would have known I would have met and married a man who wants me to depend on him..He said it's his place to provide for me..Not my place..Oh well I guess I'll not do it then..Although with my disc degenerative disease I hurt so much all the time it would really be hard to try..I get worn out sooooooo fast now days..

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Strange....... most of the golf courses are the only green we got. They have banned watering now for the lawns at all in Colorado effective the first.... so this is it. Our lakes are nearly bone dry and they predict another mild winter. They have already ordered the snow making machines at the ski slopes to be shut down till further notice come the ski season so.... we are in deep drought. Re: [ ] Digest Number 612 I remember my shock and surprise when I lived in Colorado to see golf courses with brown greens! Our golf courses are usually pretty lush, even when we're in a slight drought. It does pay to have the big drink (Lake Michigan) in our back yard. -dz- Untill I retire & can leve the NOT SO GREAT SOUTHWEST I can a brown yard & a little green in the bank or a green yard & no green in the bank. So I will be sticking with the green in the bank. But once I retire & head back to the midwest I can have both. Terry wrote:

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I know when Susy & I were first maried, I told her if she chose to work out side of home that was great but if she chose to be a full time house wife that was also great. If worked out side the home I would help her do the house cleaning.

Terry

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Now Jan, don't down yourself. You know, we enlightened men of the 21st century know that not having a job outside the home is not the same as not working! You take it easy and catch up on the house later. -dz- Diane I feel alot better today..My back isn't hurting as much and I plan to do nothing int he house today..I think I'll take a couple of days off...LOL..Like I do alot anyway.LOL

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Terry I have to tell you Susy has just got to know how blessed she is...... Tell her Fluffy says so. Re: [ ] Digest Number 612 I know when Susy & I were first maried, I told her if she chose to work out side of home that was great but if she chose to be a full time house wife that was also great. If worked out side the home I would help her do the house cleaning. Terry imaganeer wrote: Now Jan, don't down yourself. You know, we enlightened men of the 21st century know that not having a job outside the home is not the same as not working! You take it easy and catch up on the house later. -dz- Diane I feel alot better today..My back isn't hurting as much and I plan to do nothing int he house today..I think I'll take a couple of days off...LOL..Like I do alot anyway.LOL wrote: