Re: B. - Failure to thrive

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-you might want to consider a trial of pineal and/or pituitary gland

extract-these are a couple of glands known to be damaged by mercury and/or

inflammation. Also, a product called congaplex from standard process, which

stimulates the thymus and adrenal glands. It is NOT gf, as it contains oat

flour, but it helps enormously:)

[ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>,

> Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

>questions that have been eating at me for about

>two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going to

>be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I worry

>daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>

> Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed 7lb

>14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because of

>his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

>until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

>there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and 22

>months of age.

>

> We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

>months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it was

>genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only 5'7 " .

>However my husband and I both come from average to tall families, we

>do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

>endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

>Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

>became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

>wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the extensive

>testing and proceed with hormones.

>

> I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was really

>afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything that

>might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

>mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

>growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about an

>injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So I

>assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

>problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never know.

>And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave commented

>on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought that

>his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino acids

>were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>

> Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited because

>this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc.. he

>can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

>three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots of

>muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF diet

>because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

>and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our children

>may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>

>

> Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

>sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

>financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I would

>be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

>You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

>that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet tall or

>so either.

>

>

>Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear ,

Gosh!, my daughter will be 8 the end of December and weighs 40 pounds.

My son, growing up, was always lean and in the lower percentile on the

growth charts, but he's 18 now and is 5'9 " tall and well built. I just

figured my daughter was on the same growth track. I'm only 5'0 " , too (well,

4'11 " but who's counting?!) and 90 pounds so I wasn't surprised that my

daughter's small, too . . . even though her daddy is 6'3 " and 189 pounds.

You say your doctor decided there was a growth deficiency by looking at

your son's hand? There was no hormonal reason for his concern?

It's all very interesting . . .

[ ] B. - Failure to thrive

> ,

> Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

> questions that have been eating at me for about

> two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going to

> be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I worry

> daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>

> Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed 7lb

> 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because of

> his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

> until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

> there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and 22

> months of age.

>

> We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

> months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it was

> genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only 5'7 " .

> However my husband and I both come from average to tall families, we

> do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

> endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

> Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

> became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

> wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the extensive

> testing and proceed with hormones.

>

> I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was really

> afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything that

> might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

> mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

> growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about an

> injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So I

> assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

> problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never know.

> And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave commented

> on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought that

> his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino acids

> were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>

> Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited because

> this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc.. he

> can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

> three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots of

> muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF diet

> because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

> and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our children

> may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>

>

> Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

> sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

> financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I would

> be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

> You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

> that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet tall or

> so either.

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Wow! Your daughter really is small, I guess she is short too,

Hunter's weight is not near as bad as his height, he is soooo short.

The doc said that his weight was not bad for his hieght, he is well

proportioned, he is just short.

I know this may sound crazy to some, but I really wouldn't mind him

being short if he were a girl, it has never bothered me but it is

different for a boy.

Yes, the doctor did some tests to look at the precursers to

growth hormones and they were borderline low. The next step would be

some kind of 8 hour test. We haven't seen the doc in 6 months

because of reasons listed previuosly and because we have had another

baby since then. I am going to make another appointment and check

into everything again.

Thanks!

--- In egroups, " lisa edmond " <sjcsydney@h...>

wrote:

> Dear ,

> Gosh!, my daughter will be 8 the end of December and weighs 40

pounds.

> My son, growing up, was always lean and in the lower percentile on

the

> growth charts, but he's 18 now and is 5'9 " tall and well built. I

just

> figured my daughter was on the same growth track. I'm only 5'0 " ,

too (well,

> 4'11 " but who's counting?!) and 90 pounds so I wasn't surprised

that my

> daughter's small, too . . . even though her daddy is 6'3 " and 189

pounds.

> You say your doctor decided there was a growth deficiency by

looking at

> your son's hand? There was no hormonal reason for his concern?

> It's all very interesting . . .

>

> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>

>

> > ,

> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

> > questions that have been eating at me for about

> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

to

> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

worry

> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

> >

> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed

7lb

> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because

of

> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and

22

> > months of age.

> >

> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

was

> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

5'7 " .

> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall families,

we

> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

extensive

> > testing and proceed with hormones.

> >

> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

really

> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

that

> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

an

> > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So

I

> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

know.

> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

commented

> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

that

> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

acids

> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

> >

> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

because

> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc..

he

> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots

of

> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

diet

> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

children

> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

> >

> >

> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

would

> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

tall or

> > so either.

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

My son is 4 1/2 years old and weighs 32 pounds. What you are saying is so

similar to our situation. My son has been wearing some of the same clothes

he wore two years ago. He grew very well until he regressed. I, too, am

wondering about a mercury issue.

His Hair Analysis shows a scattered pattern. I'm only listing out of range

items. Some seem minimally high, others, way off.

mercury 3.2 (normal range (nr) 0-3) High

arsenic 0.39 (nr<0.08) High

Bismuth 0.19 (nr<0.13) High

lead 1.2 (nr<1) High

titanium 3.7 (nr<1) High

In his elements,

zinc 83 (nr 100-190) Low

chromium 0.23 (nr 0.26-0.5) Low

selenium 0.85 (nr 0.95-1.7) Low ***

strontium 0.13 (nr 0.16-1) Low

barium 0.15 (nr 0.16-0.8) Low

germanium 0.015 (nr 0.045-0.065) Low

sodium 200 (nr 12-90) High ***

potassium 150 (nr 12-40) High ***

sulfur 54400 (nr 45500-53000) High

rubidium 0.19 (nr 0.016-0.18) High

zirconium 1.3 (nr 0.04-1) High

Do these figures indicate possible mercury poisoning? Could this explain is

growth pattern?

OR

[ ] B. - Failure to thrive

> ,

> Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

> questions that have been eating at me for about

> two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going to

> be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I worry

> daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>

> Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed 7lb

> 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because of

> his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

> until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

> there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and 22

> months of age.

>

> We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

> months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it was

> genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only 5'7 " .

> However my husband and I both come from average to tall families, we

> do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

> endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

> Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

> became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

> wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the extensive

> testing and proceed with hormones.

>

> I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was really

> afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything that

> might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

> mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

> growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about an

> injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So I

> assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

> problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never know.

> And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave commented

> on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought that

> his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino acids

> were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>

> Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited because

> this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc.. he

> can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

> three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots of

> muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF diet

> because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

> and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our children

> may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>

>

> Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

> sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

> financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I would

> be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

> You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

> that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet tall or

> so either.

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

We are looking into it. Where I live, it is a little difficult, but not

impossible. We have a pediatric visit at the beginning of December and are

bring in the info. I am hoping to pass along Amy Holmes' and Jane El Dahr's

Specs. Anyone with their specs and phones numbers, could they please

forward them to me?

, how did chelation work with your son?

Thank You,

OR

[ ] B. - Failure to thrive

> >

> >

> > > ,

> > > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

> > > questions that have been eating at me for about

> > > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

> to

> > > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

> worry

> > > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

> > >

> > > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed

> 7lb

> > > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because

> of

> > > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

> > > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

> > > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and

> 22

> > > months of age.

> > >

> > > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

> > > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

> was

> > > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

> 5'7 " .

> > > However my husband and I both come from average to tall families,

> we

> > > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

> > > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

> > > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

> > > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

> > > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

> extensive

> > > testing and proceed with hormones.

> > >

> > > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

> really

> > > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

> that

> > > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

> > > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

> > > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

> an

> > > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So

> I

> > > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

> > > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

> know.

> > > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

> commented

> > > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

> that

> > > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

> acids

> > > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

> > >

> > > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

> because

> > > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc..

> he

> > > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

> > > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots

> of

> > > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

> diet

> > > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

> > > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

> children

> > > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

> > >

> > >

> > > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

> > > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

> > > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

> would

> > > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

> > > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

> > > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

> tall or

> > > so either.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Does this include levels in the blood? I mean would it indicate levels are

high as opposed to recent exposure? My son had a high level in his recent

blood test with no known recent exposure.

Celia

[ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

>

>

>>Dear ,

>> I do not know enough to tell you anything about the test results

>>and growth. I am just now really beginning to realize that maybe my

>>son isn't growing from the mercury. Like you said, my little boy was

>>growing fine up until about the time that the regression/onset of

>>autism started. Since then growth has been minimal. I understand

>>about the clothes. My son is the only child I know personally that

>>could wear the same coat three years straight and one pair of shoes

>>would fit him for over a year. Most children go through clothes and

>>shoes in months, not years.

>> I do know that Dr. Cave told us that any mercury in the hair is

>>a problem. So many of the kids who are dumping mercury never even

>>have it show up on the hair analysis. My son's mercury never showed

>>up in the hair. The way I understand it is that if the mercury is in

>>the hair then you can be sure that the child is mercury toxic; no

>>mercury is tolerable/acceptable. Are you not doing chelation yet? I

>>know it seems frightening but, I would definitely check into it ASAP,

>>especially since it was in his hair.

>>

>>Best wishes,

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> ,

>>> My son is 4 1/2 years old and weighs 32 pounds. What you are

>>saying is so

>>> similar to our situation. My son has been wearing some of the same

>>clothes

>>> he wore two years ago. He grew very well until he regressed. I,

>>too, am

>>> wondering about a mercury issue.

>>>

>>> His Hair Analysis shows a scattered pattern. I'm only listing out

>>of range

>>> items. Some seem minimally high, others, way off.

>>>

>>> mercury 3.2 (normal range (nr) 0-3) High

>>> arsenic 0.39 (nr<0.08) High

>>> Bismuth 0.19 (nr<0.13) High

>>> lead 1.2 (nr<1) High

>>> titanium 3.7 (nr<1) High

>>>

>>> In his elements,

>>> zinc 83 (nr 100-190) Low

>>> chromium 0.23 (nr 0.26-0.5) Low

>>> selenium 0.85 (nr 0.95-1.7) Low ***

>>> strontium 0.13 (nr 0.16-1) Low

>>> barium 0.15 (nr 0.16-0.8) Low

>>> germanium 0.015 (nr 0.045-0.065) Low

>>> sodium 200 (nr 12-90) High ***

>>> potassium 150 (nr 12-40) High ***

>>> sulfur 54400 (nr 45500-53000) High

>>> rubidium 0.19 (nr 0.016-0.18) High

>>> zirconium 1.3 (nr 0.04-1) High

>>>

>>> Do these figures indicate possible mercury poisoning? Could this

>>explain is

>>> growth pattern?

>>>

>>> OR

>>>

>>> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>>>

>>>

>>> > ,

>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

>>to

>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

>>worry

>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>>> >

>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed

>>7lb

>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because

>>of

>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and

>>22

>>> > months of age.

>>> >

>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

>>was

>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

>>5'7 " .

>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall families,

>>we

>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

>>extensive

>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

>>> >

>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

>>really

>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

>>that

>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

>>an

>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So

>>I

>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

>>know.

>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

>>commented

>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

>>that

>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

>>acids

>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>>> >

>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

>>because

>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc..

>>he

>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots

>>of

>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

>>diet

>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

>>children

>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

>>would

>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

>>tall or

>>> > so either.

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > Thanks

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

[Guest guest]

You will only see it in the hair if the levels are quite high or if exposure

was recent.

Barb

[ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

>Dear ,

> I do not know enough to tell you anything about the test results

>and growth. I am just now really beginning to realize that maybe my

>son isn't growing from the mercury. Like you said, my little boy was

>growing fine up until about the time that the regression/onset of

>autism started. Since then growth has been minimal. I understand

>about the clothes. My son is the only child I know personally that

>could wear the same coat three years straight and one pair of shoes

>would fit him for over a year. Most children go through clothes and

>shoes in months, not years.

> I do know that Dr. Cave told us that any mercury in the hair is

>a problem. So many of the kids who are dumping mercury never even

>have it show up on the hair analysis. My son's mercury never showed

>up in the hair. The way I understand it is that if the mercury is in

>the hair then you can be sure that the child is mercury toxic; no

>mercury is tolerable/acceptable. Are you not doing chelation yet? I

>know it seems frightening but, I would definitely check into it ASAP,

>especially since it was in his hair.

>

>Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> ,

>> My son is 4 1/2 years old and weighs 32 pounds. What you are

>saying is so

>> similar to our situation. My son has been wearing some of the same

>clothes

>> he wore two years ago. He grew very well until he regressed. I,

>too, am

>> wondering about a mercury issue.

>>

>> His Hair Analysis shows a scattered pattern. I'm only listing out

>of range

>> items. Some seem minimally high, others, way off.

>>

>> mercury 3.2 (normal range (nr) 0-3) High

>> arsenic 0.39 (nr<0.08) High

>> Bismuth 0.19 (nr<0.13) High

>> lead 1.2 (nr<1) High

>> titanium 3.7 (nr<1) High

>>

>> In his elements,

>> zinc 83 (nr 100-190) Low

>> chromium 0.23 (nr 0.26-0.5) Low

>> selenium 0.85 (nr 0.95-1.7) Low ***

>> strontium 0.13 (nr 0.16-1) Low

>> barium 0.15 (nr 0.16-0.8) Low

>> germanium 0.015 (nr 0.045-0.065) Low

>> sodium 200 (nr 12-90) High ***

>> potassium 150 (nr 12-40) High ***

>> sulfur 54400 (nr 45500-53000) High

>> rubidium 0.19 (nr 0.016-0.18) High

>> zirconium 1.3 (nr 0.04-1) High

>>

>> Do these figures indicate possible mercury poisoning? Could this

>explain is

>> growth pattern?

>>

>> OR

>>

>> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>>

>>

>> > ,

>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

>to

>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

>worry

>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>> >

>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed

>7lb

>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because

>of

>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and

>22

>> > months of age.

>> >

>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

>was

>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

>5'7 " .

>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall families,

>we

>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

>extensive

>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

>> >

>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

>really

>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

>that

>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

>an

>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So

>I

>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

>know.

>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

>commented

>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

>that

>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

>acids

>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>> >

>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

>because

>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc..

>he

>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots

>of

>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

>diet

>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

>children

>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>> >

>> >

>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

>would

>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

>tall or

>> > so either.

>> >

>> >

>> > Thanks

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/00 9:50:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jromkema@... writes:

<<

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive >>

I thought that lead poisoning could affect growth. I know it did with my

nephew.

Oh, just another thought. Does your son have amalgam fillings in his teeth?

If so, he's getting a constant exposure to mercury. I don't know how much

you need to have to show up in the blood. But before chelating, the

fillings will have to be replaced. My husband just got half of his taken

out, thank God!

Barb

[ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

>>

>>

>>>Dear ,

>>> I do not know enough to tell you anything about the test results

>>>and growth. I am just now really beginning to realize that maybe my

>>>son isn't growing from the mercury. Like you said, my little boy was

>>>growing fine up until about the time that the regression/onset of

>>>autism started. Since then growth has been minimal. I understand

>>>about the clothes. My son is the only child I know personally that

>>>could wear the same coat three years straight and one pair of shoes

>>>would fit him for over a year. Most children go through clothes and

>>>shoes in months, not years.

>>> I do know that Dr. Cave told us that any mercury in the hair is

>>>a problem. So many of the kids who are dumping mercury never even

>>>have it show up on the hair analysis. My son's mercury never showed

>>>up in the hair. The way I understand it is that if the mercury is in

>>>the hair then you can be sure that the child is mercury toxic; no

>>>mercury is tolerable/acceptable. Are you not doing chelation yet? I

>>>know it seems frightening but, I would definitely check into it ASAP,

>>>especially since it was in his hair.

>>>

>>>Best wishes,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> ,

>>>> My son is 4 1/2 years old and weighs 32 pounds. What you are

>>>saying is so

>>>> similar to our situation. My son has been wearing some of the same

>>>clothes

>>>> he wore two years ago. He grew very well until he regressed. I,

>>>too, am

>>>> wondering about a mercury issue.

>>>>

>>>> His Hair Analysis shows a scattered pattern. I'm only listing out

>>>of range

>>>> items. Some seem minimally high, others, way off.

>>>>

>>>> mercury 3.2 (normal range (nr) 0-3) High

>>>> arsenic 0.39 (nr<0.08) High

>>>> Bismuth 0.19 (nr<0.13) High

>>>> lead 1.2 (nr<1) High

>>>> titanium 3.7 (nr<1) High

>>>>

>>>> In his elements,

>>>> zinc 83 (nr 100-190) Low

>>>> chromium 0.23 (nr 0.26-0.5) Low

>>>> selenium 0.85 (nr 0.95-1.7) Low ***

>>>> strontium 0.13 (nr 0.16-1) Low

>>>> barium 0.15 (nr 0.16-0.8) Low

>>>> germanium 0.015 (nr 0.045-0.065) Low

>>>> sodium 200 (nr 12-90) High ***

>>>> potassium 150 (nr 12-40) High ***

>>>> sulfur 54400 (nr 45500-53000) High

>>>> rubidium 0.19 (nr 0.016-0.18) High

>>>> zirconium 1.3 (nr 0.04-1) High

>>>>

>>>> Do these figures indicate possible mercury poisoning? Could this

>>>explain is

>>>> growth pattern?

>>>>

>>>> OR

>>>>

>>>> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> > ,

>>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

>>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

>>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

>>>to

>>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

>>>worry

>>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>>>> >

>>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed

>>>7lb

>>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because

>>>of

>>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

>>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

>>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and

>>>22

>>>> > months of age.

>>>> >

>>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

>>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

>>>was

>>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

>>>5'7 " .

>>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall families,

>>>we

>>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

>>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

>>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

>>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

>>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

>>>extensive

>>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

>>>> >

>>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

>>>really

>>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

>>>that

>>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

>>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

>>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

>>>an

>>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So

>>>I

>>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

>>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

>>>know.

>>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

>>>commented

>>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

>>>that

>>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

>>>acids

>>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>>>> >

>>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

>>>because

>>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc..

>>>he

>>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

>>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots

>>>of

>>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

>>>diet

>>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

>>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

>>>children

>>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

>>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

>>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

>>>would

>>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

>>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

>>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

>>>tall or

>>>> > so either.

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> > Thanks

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >

[Guest guest]

Barb,

My son's the one with the mercury in the hair. He has no filling, though

with all the teeth grinding he has been doing lately, I wonder what we are

headed for. His shampoo was an extremely mild, natural baby shampoo. Would

you happen to know what else could have affected his hair sample?

OR

[ ] B. - Failure to thrive

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> > ,

> >>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

> >>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

> >>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

> >>>to

> >>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

> >>>worry

> >>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed

> >>>7lb

> >>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because

> >>>of

> >>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

> >>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

> >>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and

> >>>22

> >>>> > months of age.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

> >>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

> >>>was

> >>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

> >>>5'7 " .

> >>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall families,

> >>>we

> >>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

> >>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

> >>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

> >>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

> >>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

> >>>extensive

> >>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

> >>>really

> >>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

> >>>that

> >>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

> >>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

> >>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

> >>>an

> >>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So

> >>>I

> >>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

> >>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

> >>>know.

> >>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

> >>>commented

> >>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

> >>>that

> >>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

> >>>acids

> >>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

> >>>because

> >>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc..

> >>>he

> >>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

> >>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots

> >>>of

> >>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

> >>>diet

> >>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

> >>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

> >>>children

> >>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

> >>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

> >>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

> >>>would

> >>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

> >>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

> >>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

> >>>tall or

> >>>> > so either.

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Thanks

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

[Guest guest]

Wow, I'm really not the scientist here. All I can share with you is what

others have shared before. From what they tell me, mercury loves fat and

hates water. If we take in mercury it stays in the bloodstream for just a

short time, and then moves to the fatty area ASAP. (This info. comes from

Dr. Amy.) Gosh, are you sure your son has not been exposed recently? No

broken thermometers? Have you been anywhere recently where thermometers

could have been broken? (Like a doc's office?) I know Andy talked about

people vaccumming the area after spilling mercury, and how it gassed off for

quite a while after that!

Barb

[ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

>>

>>

>>>Dear ,

>>> I do not know enough to tell you anything about the test results

>>>and growth. I am just now really beginning to realize that maybe my

>>>son isn't growing from the mercury. Like you said, my little boy was

>>>growing fine up until about the time that the regression/onset of

>>>autism started. Since then growth has been minimal. I understand

>>>about the clothes. My son is the only child I know personally that

>>>could wear the same coat three years straight and one pair of shoes

>>>would fit him for over a year. Most children go through clothes and

>>>shoes in months, not years.

>>> I do know that Dr. Cave told us that any mercury in the hair is

>>>a problem. So many of the kids who are dumping mercury never even

>>>have it show up on the hair analysis. My son's mercury never showed

>>>up in the hair. The way I understand it is that if the mercury is in

>>>the hair then you can be sure that the child is mercury toxic; no

>>>mercury is tolerable/acceptable. Are you not doing chelation yet? I

>>>know it seems frightening but, I would definitely check into it ASAP,

>>>especially since it was in his hair.

>>>

>>>Best wishes,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> ,

>>>> My son is 4 1/2 years old and weighs 32 pounds. What you are

>>>saying is so

>>>> similar to our situation. My son has been wearing some of the same

>>>clothes

>>>> he wore two years ago. He grew very well until he regressed. I,

>>>too, am

>>>> wondering about a mercury issue.

>>>>

>>>> His Hair Analysis shows a scattered pattern. I'm only listing out

>>>of range

>>>> items. Some seem minimally high, others, way off.

>>>>

>>>> mercury 3.2 (normal range (nr) 0-3) High

>>>> arsenic 0.39 (nr<0.08) High

>>>> Bismuth 0.19 (nr<0.13) High

>>>> lead 1.2 (nr<1) High

>>>> titanium 3.7 (nr<1) High

>>>>

>>>> In his elements,

>>>> zinc 83 (nr 100-190) Low

>>>> chromium 0.23 (nr 0.26-0.5) Low

>>>> selenium 0.85 (nr 0.95-1.7) Low ***

>>>> strontium 0.13 (nr 0.16-1) Low

>>>> barium 0.15 (nr 0.16-0.8) Low

>>>> germanium 0.015 (nr 0.045-0.065) Low

>>>> sodium 200 (nr 12-90) High ***

>>>> potassium 150 (nr 12-40) High ***

>>>> sulfur 54400 (nr 45500-53000) High

>>>> rubidium 0.19 (nr 0.016-0.18) High

>>>> zirconium 1.3 (nr 0.04-1) High

>>>>

>>>> Do these figures indicate possible mercury poisoning? Could this

>>>explain is

>>>> growth pattern?

>>>>

>>>> OR

>>>>

>>>> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> > ,

>>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

>>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

>>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

>>>to

>>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

>>>worry

>>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>>>> >

>>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed

>>>7lb

>>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because

>>>of

>>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

>>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

>>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and

>>>22

>>>> > months of age.

>>>> >

>>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

>>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

>>>was

>>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

>>>5'7 " .

>>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall families,

>>>we

>>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

>>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

>>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

>>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

>>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

>>>extensive

>>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

>>>> >

>>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

>>>really

>>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

>>>that

>>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

>>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

>>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

>>>an

>>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So

>>>I

>>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

>>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

>>>know.

>>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

>>>commented

>>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

>>>that

>>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

>>>acids

>>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>>>> >

>>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

>>>because

>>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc..

>>>he

>>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

>>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots

>>>of

>>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

>>>diet

>>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

>>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

>>>children

>>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

>>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

>>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

>>>would

>>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

>>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

>>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

>>>tall or

>>>> > so either.

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> > Thanks

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >

[Guest guest]

Oh, just another thought. Does your son have amalgam fillings in his teeth?

If so, he's getting a constant exposure to mercury. I don't know how much

you need to have to show up in the blood. But before chelating, the

fillings will have to be replaced. My husband just got half of his taken

out, thank God!

Barb

[ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

>>

>>

>>>Dear ,

>>> I do not know enough to tell you anything about the test results

>>>and growth. I am just now really beginning to realize that maybe my

>>>son isn't growing from the mercury. Like you said, my little boy was

>>>growing fine up until about the time that the regression/onset of

>>>autism started. Since then growth has been minimal. I understand

>>>about the clothes. My son is the only child I know personally that

>>>could wear the same coat three years straight and one pair of shoes

>>>would fit him for over a year. Most children go through clothes and

>>>shoes in months, not years.

>>> I do know that Dr. Cave told us that any mercury in the hair is

>>>a problem. So many of the kids who are dumping mercury never even

>>>have it show up on the hair analysis. My son's mercury never showed

>>>up in the hair. The way I understand it is that if the mercury is in

>>>the hair then you can be sure that the child is mercury toxic; no

>>>mercury is tolerable/acceptable. Are you not doing chelation yet? I

>>>know it seems frightening but, I would definitely check into it ASAP,

>>>especially since it was in his hair.

>>>

>>>Best wishes,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> ,

>>>> My son is 4 1/2 years old and weighs 32 pounds. What you are

>>>saying is so

>>>> similar to our situation. My son has been wearing some of the same

>>>clothes

>>>> he wore two years ago. He grew very well until he regressed. I,

>>>too, am

>>>> wondering about a mercury issue.

>>>>

>>>> His Hair Analysis shows a scattered pattern. I'm only listing out

>>>of range

>>>> items. Some seem minimally high, others, way off.

>>>>

>>>> mercury 3.2 (normal range (nr) 0-3) High

>>>> arsenic 0.39 (nr<0.08) High

>>>> Bismuth 0.19 (nr<0.13) High

>>>> lead 1.2 (nr<1) High

>>>> titanium 3.7 (nr<1) High

>>>>

>>>> In his elements,

>>>> zinc 83 (nr 100-190) Low

>>>> chromium 0.23 (nr 0.26-0.5) Low

>>>> selenium 0.85 (nr 0.95-1.7) Low ***

>>>> strontium 0.13 (nr 0.16-1) Low

>>>> barium 0.15 (nr 0.16-0.8) Low

>>>> germanium 0.015 (nr 0.045-0.065) Low

>>>> sodium 200 (nr 12-90) High ***

>>>> potassium 150 (nr 12-40) High ***

>>>> sulfur 54400 (nr 45500-53000) High

>>>> rubidium 0.19 (nr 0.016-0.18) High

>>>> zirconium 1.3 (nr 0.04-1) High

>>>>

>>>> Do these figures indicate possible mercury poisoning? Could this

>>>explain is

>>>> growth pattern?

>>>>

>>>> OR

>>>>

>>>> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> > ,

>>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

>>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

>>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

>>>to

>>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

>>>worry

>>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>>>> >

>>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed

>>>7lb

>>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because

>>>of

>>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

>>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

>>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and

>>>22

>>>> > months of age.

>>>> >

>>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

>>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

>>>was

>>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

>>>5'7 " .

>>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall families,

>>>we

>>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

>>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

>>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

>>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

>>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

>>>extensive

>>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

>>>> >

>>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

>>>really

>>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

>>>that

>>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

>>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

>>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

>>>an

>>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So

>>>I

>>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

>>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

>>>know.

>>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

>>>commented

>>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

>>>that

>>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

>>>acids

>>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>>>> >

>>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

>>>because

>>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc..

>>>he

>>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

>>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots

>>>of

>>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

>>>diet

>>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

>>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

>>>children

>>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

>>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

>>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

>>>would

>>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

>>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

>>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

>>>tall or

>>>> > so either.

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> > Thanks

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >

[Guest guest]

If I were you, I'd look at all the possible exposures to mercury. Some

people have been exposed through malathion spraying of orchards. Some have

houses built on land that used to be orchards. Some have been exposed

through the gas meter leaking in an old house. Has he had any vaccinations

recently (2-3 months) that have thimerosol in them? If you live in the

East, they have recently reported that mercury is in the rain. What about

your water supply? I would check everything out thoroughly, and maybe

repeat the hair test, just to be sure.

Barb

Re: [ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

>Barb,

>My son's the one with the mercury in the hair. He has no filling, though

>with all the teeth grinding he has been doing lately, I wonder what we are

>headed for. His shampoo was an extremely mild, natural baby shampoo.

Would

>you happen to know what else could have affected his hair sample?

>

> OR

>

> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> > ,

>> >>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

>> >>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

>> >>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

>> >>>to

>> >>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

>> >>>worry

>> >>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed

>> >>>7lb

>> >>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because

>> >>>of

>> >>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

>> >>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

>> >>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and

>> >>>22

>> >>>> > months of age.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

>> >>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

>> >>>was

>> >>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

>> >>>5'7 " .

>> >>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall families,

>> >>>we

>> >>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

>> >>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

>> >>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

>> >>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

>> >>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

>> >>>extensive

>> >>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

>> >>>really

>> >>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

>> >>>that

>> >>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

>> >>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

>> >>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

>> >>>an

>> >>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So

>> >>>I

>> >>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

>> >>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

>> >>>know.

>> >>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

>> >>>commented

>> >>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

>> >>>that

>> >>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

>> >>>acids

>> >>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

>> >>>because

>> >>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc..

>> >>>he

>> >>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

>> >>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots

>> >>>of

>> >>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

>> >>>diet

>> >>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

>> >>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

>> >>>children

>> >>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

>> >>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

>> >>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

>> >>>would

>> >>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

>> >>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

>> >>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

>> >>>tall or

>> >>>> > so either.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Thanks

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

[Guest guest]

-I'm behind on messages, if this has been said, I'm sorry. It is my

understanding that for it to show in the blood, has to be within 48

hrs. or so of an exposure. Test the house. Best suggestion. The

health

dept. here at least, won't test the house " free " unless it shows in

the blood and is at least a 10......UGHHHHHHHH....

You can get a home lead test to check areas. An " envriomental

inspector " just told my daughter that they are reliable if they turn

pink right away, as a good indicator. They are about $10 and have 10

test strips in each one. That would " cheaply " give you an idea if

" home is where the trouble is " . I hope this helps.

Note:suggested to test close to the house (outside) and

floor,baseboards and windowsills for sure. Found at some paint

stores,

hardware and health stores. I think this is something we ALL should

check. Are we detoxing and just adding back everyday??

Ann/grammy to

Dean/4

/12 both toxic kids

-- In egroups, " Barb Romkema " <jromkema@f...>

wrote:

> Wow, I'm really not the scientist here. All I can share with you

is

what

> others have shared before. From what they tell me, mercury loves

fat and

> hates water. If we take in mercury it stays in the bloodstream for

just a

> short time, and then moves to the fatty area ASAP. (This info.

comes from

> Dr. Amy.) Gosh, are you sure your son has not been exposed

recently? No

> broken thermometers? Have you been anywhere recently where

thermometers

> could have been broken? (Like a doc's office?) I know Andy talked

about

> people vaccumming the area after spilling mercury, and how it

gassed

off for

> quite a while after that!

> Barb

>

> [ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

> >>

> >>

> >>>Dear ,

> >>> I do not know enough to tell you anything about the test

results

> >>>and growth. I am just now really beginning to realize that

maybe

my

> >>>son isn't growing from the mercury. Like you said, my little

boy

was

> >>>growing fine up until about the time that the regression/onset of

> >>>autism started. Since then growth has been minimal. I

understand

> >>>about the clothes. My son is the only child I know personally

that

> >>>could wear the same coat three years straight and one pair of

shoes

> >>>would fit him for over a year. Most children go through clothes

and

> >>>shoes in months, not years.

> >>> I do know that Dr. Cave told us that any mercury in the

hair

is

> >>>a problem. So many of the kids who are dumping mercury never even

> >>>have it show up on the hair analysis. My son's mercury never

showed

> >>>up in the hair. The way I understand it is that if the mercury

is in

> >>>the hair then you can be sure that the child is mercury toxic; no

> >>>mercury is tolerable/acceptable. Are you not doing chelation

yet? I

> >>>know it seems frightening but, I would definitely check into it

ASAP,

> >>>especially since it was in his hair.

> >>>

> >>>Best wishes,

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>--- In egroups, " The s " <ldrich@f...>

wrote:

> >>>> ,

> >>>> My son is 4 1/2 years old and weighs 32 pounds. What you are

> >>>saying is so

> >>>> similar to our situation. My son has been wearing some of the

same

> >>>clothes

> >>>> he wore two years ago. He grew very well until he regressed.

I,

> >>>too, am

> >>>> wondering about a mercury issue.

> >>>>

> >>>> His Hair Analysis shows a scattered pattern. I'm only listing

out

> >>>of range

> >>>> items. Some seem minimally high, others, way off.

> >>>>

> >>>> mercury 3.2 (normal range (nr) 0-3) High

> >>>> arsenic 0.39 (nr<0.08) High

> >>>> Bismuth 0.19 (nr<0.13) High

> >>>> lead 1.2 (nr<1) High

> >>>> titanium 3.7 (nr<1) High

> >>>>

> >>>> In his elements,

> >>>> zinc 83 (nr 100-190) Low

> >>>> chromium 0.23 (nr 0.26-0.5) Low

> >>>> selenium 0.85 (nr 0.95-1.7) Low ***

> >>>> strontium 0.13 (nr 0.16-1) Low

> >>>> barium 0.15 (nr 0.16-0.8) Low

> >>>> germanium 0.015 (nr 0.045-0.065) Low

> >>>> sodium 200 (nr 12-90) High ***

> >>>> potassium 150 (nr 12-40) High ***

> >>>> sulfur 54400 (nr 45500-53000) High

> >>>> rubidium 0.19 (nr 0.016-0.18) High

> >>>> zirconium 1.3 (nr 0.04-1) High

> >>>>

> >>>> Do these figures indicate possible mercury poisoning? Could

this

> >>>explain is

> >>>> growth pattern?

> >>>>

> >>>> OR

> >>>>

> >>>> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> > ,

> >>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

> >>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

> >>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is

going

> >>>to

> >>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing,

but,

I

> >>>worry

> >>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He

weighed

> >>>7lb

> >>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early

(because

> >>>of

> >>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth

chart

> >>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill

from

> >>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between

12

and

> >>>22

> >>>> > months of age.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every

three

> >>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said

it

> >>>was

> >>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

> >>>5'7 " .

> >>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall

families,

> >>>we

> >>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

> >>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the

xray or

> >>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the

doc

> >>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000

he

> >>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

> >>>extensive

> >>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

> >>>really

> >>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do

anything

> >>>that

> >>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were

doing

> >>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along

with

> >>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think

about

> >>>an

> >>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are

doing.

So

> >>>I

> >>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with

no

> >>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

> >>>know.

> >>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

> >>>commented

> >>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she

thought

> >>>that

> >>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his

amino

> >>>acids

> >>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

> >>>because

> >>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy

etc..

> >>>he

> >>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an

average

> >>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but

lots

> >>>of

> >>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the

GFCF

> >>>diet

> >>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30

months old

> >>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

> >>>children

> >>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from

someone

> >>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get

help

> >>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a

little

I

> >>>would

> >>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over

him.

> >>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made

it

past

> >>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

> >>>tall or

> >>>> > so either.

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Thanks

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Barb and Ann,

My understanding is that the half-life of mercury in the blood is around 45

days. Someone please tell me if I'm wrong. My son doesn't have any

fillings. No mercury thermometers around here, I use the digital kind. .

No fish eaten (my son hates it, fortunately). I was wondering if there's

any possibility of pool chemicals being involved (seems unlikely), any pool

owners know about this? My son has had a few hydrotherapy sessions.

The other thing I will check out is any spraying in the vicinity of

pesticides and fertilizers.

I am stumped. I have wondered per a post I saw recently whether its

possible that he has eaten something which has chelated the mercury out into

the blood (we have not yet started chelation treatment, I am on my third

hospital trying to get this organised and so far they don't want to know).

Celia

[ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>>Dear ,

>> >>> I do not know enough to tell you anything about the test

>results

>> >>>and growth. I am just now really beginning to realize that

>maybe

>my

>> >>>son isn't growing from the mercury. Like you said, my little

>boy

>was

>> >>>growing fine up until about the time that the regression/onset of

>> >>>autism started. Since then growth has been minimal. I

>understand

>> >>>about the clothes. My son is the only child I know personally

>that

>> >>>could wear the same coat three years straight and one pair of

>shoes

>> >>>would fit him for over a year. Most children go through clothes

>and

>> >>>shoes in months, not years.

>> >>> I do know that Dr. Cave told us that any mercury in the

>hair

>is

>> >>>a problem. So many of the kids who are dumping mercury never even

>> >>>have it show up on the hair analysis. My son's mercury never

>showed

>> >>>up in the hair. The way I understand it is that if the mercury

>is in

>> >>>the hair then you can be sure that the child is mercury toxic; no

>> >>>mercury is tolerable/acceptable. Are you not doing chelation

>yet? I

>> >>>know it seems frightening but, I would definitely check into it

>ASAP,

>> >>>especially since it was in his hair.

>> >>>

>> >>>Best wishes,

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>--- In egroups, " The s " <ldrich@f...>

>wrote:

>> >>>> ,

>> >>>> My son is 4 1/2 years old and weighs 32 pounds. What you are

>> >>>saying is so

>> >>>> similar to our situation. My son has been wearing some of the

>same

>> >>>clothes

>> >>>> he wore two years ago. He grew very well until he regressed.

>I,

>> >>>too, am

>> >>>> wondering about a mercury issue.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> His Hair Analysis shows a scattered pattern. I'm only listing

>out

>> >>>of range

>> >>>> items. Some seem minimally high, others, way off.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> mercury 3.2 (normal range (nr) 0-3) High

>> >>>> arsenic 0.39 (nr<0.08) High

>> >>>> Bismuth 0.19 (nr<0.13) High

>> >>>> lead 1.2 (nr<1) High

>> >>>> titanium 3.7 (nr<1) High

>> >>>>

>> >>>> In his elements,

>> >>>> zinc 83 (nr 100-190) Low

>> >>>> chromium 0.23 (nr 0.26-0.5) Low

>> >>>> selenium 0.85 (nr 0.95-1.7) Low ***

>> >>>> strontium 0.13 (nr 0.16-1) Low

>> >>>> barium 0.15 (nr 0.16-0.8) Low

>> >>>> germanium 0.015 (nr 0.045-0.065) Low

>> >>>> sodium 200 (nr 12-90) High ***

>> >>>> potassium 150 (nr 12-40) High ***

>> >>>> sulfur 54400 (nr 45500-53000) High

>> >>>> rubidium 0.19 (nr 0.016-0.18) High

>> >>>> zirconium 1.3 (nr 0.04-1) High

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Do these figures indicate possible mercury poisoning? Could

>this

>> >>>explain is

>> >>>> growth pattern?

>> >>>>

>> >>>> OR

>> >>>>

>> >>>> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> > ,

>> >>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

>> >>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

>> >>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is

>going

>> >>>to

>> >>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing,

>but,

>I

>> >>>worry

>> >>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He

>weighed

>> >>>7lb

>> >>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early

>(because

>> >>>of

>> >>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth

>chart

>> >>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill

>from

>> >>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between

>12

>and

>> >>>22

>> >>>> > months of age.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every

>three

>> >>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said

>it

>> >>>was

>> >>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

>> >>>5'7 " .

>> >>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall

>families,

>> >>>we

>> >>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

>> >>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the

>xray or

>> >>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the

>doc

>> >>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000

>he

>> >>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

>> >>>extensive

>> >>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

>> >>>really

>> >>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do

>anything

>> >>>that

>> >>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were

>doing

>> >>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along

>with

>> >>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think

>about

>> >>>an

>> >>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are

>doing.

> So

>> >>>I

>> >>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with

>no

>> >>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

>> >>>know.

>> >>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

>> >>>commented

>> >>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she

>thought

>> >>>that

>> >>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his

>amino

>> >>>acids

>> >>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

>> >>>because

>> >>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy

>etc..

>> >>>he

>> >>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an

>average

>> >>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but

>lots

>> >>>of

>> >>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the

>GFCF

>> >>>diet

>> >>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30

>months old

>> >>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

>> >>>children

>> >>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from

>someone

>> >>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get

>help

>> >>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a

>little

>I

>> >>>would

>> >>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over

>him.

>> >>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made

>it

>past

>> >>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

>> >>>tall or

>> >>>> > so either.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Thanks

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

[Guest guest]

and garlic?

[ ] B. - Failure to thrive

> >>> >>>>

> >>> >>>>

> >>> >>>> > ,

> >>> >>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

> >>> >>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

> >>> >>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is

> >>going

> >>> >>>to

> >>> >>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing,

> >>but,

> >>I

> >>> >>>worry

> >>> >>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He

> >>weighed

> >>> >>>7lb

> >>> >>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early

> >>(because

> >>> >>>of

> >>> >>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth

> >>chart

> >>> >>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill

> >>from

> >>> >>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between

> >>12

> >>and

> >>> >>>22

> >>> >>>> > months of age.

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every

> >>three

> >>> >>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said

> >>it

> >>> >>>was

> >>> >>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

> >>> >>>5'7 " .

> >>> >>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall

> >>families,

> >>> >>>we

> >>> >>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

> >>> >>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the

> >>xray or

> >>> >>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the

> >>doc

> >>> >>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000

> >>he

> >>> >>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

> >>> >>>extensive

> >>> >>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

> >>> >>>really

> >>> >>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do

> >>anything

> >>> >>>that

> >>> >>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were

> >>doing

> >>> >>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along

> >>with

> >>> >>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think

> >>about

> >>> >>>an

> >>> >>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are

> >>doing.

> >> So

> >>> >>>I

> >>> >>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with

> >>no

> >>> >>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

> >>> >>>know.

> >>> >>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

> >>> >>>commented

> >>> >>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she

> >>thought

> >>> >>>that

> >>> >>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his

> >>amino

> >>> >>>acids

> >>> >>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

> >>> >>>because

> >>> >>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy

> >>etc..

> >>> >>>he

> >>> >>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an

> >>average

> >>> >>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but

> >>lots

> >>> >>>of

> >>> >>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the

> >>GFCF

> >>> >>>diet

> >>> >>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30

> >>months old

> >>> >>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

> >>> >>>children

> >>> >>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from

> >>someone

> >>> >>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get

> >>help

> >>> >>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a

> >>little

> >>I

> >>> >>>would

> >>> >>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over

> >>him.

> >>> >>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made

> >>it

> >>past

> >>> >>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

> >>> >>>tall or

> >>> >>>> > so either.

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> > Thanks

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> >

> >>> >>>> >

[Guest guest]

Cilantro will do this.

[ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>>Dear ,

>>> >>> I do not know enough to tell you anything about the test

>>results

>>> >>>and growth. I am just now really beginning to realize that

>>maybe

>>my

>>> >>>son isn't growing from the mercury. Like you said, my little

>>boy

>>was

>>> >>>growing fine up until about the time that the regression/onset of

>>> >>>autism started. Since then growth has been minimal. I

>>understand

>>> >>>about the clothes. My son is the only child I know personally

>>that

>>> >>>could wear the same coat three years straight and one pair of

>>shoes

>>> >>>would fit him for over a year. Most children go through clothes

>>and

>>> >>>shoes in months, not years.

>>> >>> I do know that Dr. Cave told us that any mercury in the

>>hair

>>is

>>> >>>a problem. So many of the kids who are dumping mercury never even

>>> >>>have it show up on the hair analysis. My son's mercury never

>>showed

>>> >>>up in the hair. The way I understand it is that if the mercury

>>is in

>>> >>>the hair then you can be sure that the child is mercury toxic; no

>>> >>>mercury is tolerable/acceptable. Are you not doing chelation

>>yet? I

>>> >>>know it seems frightening but, I would definitely check into it

>>ASAP,

>>> >>>especially since it was in his hair.

>>> >>>

>>> >>>Best wishes,

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>--- In egroups, " The s " <ldrich@f...>

>>wrote:

>>> >>>> ,

>>> >>>> My son is 4 1/2 years old and weighs 32 pounds. What you are

>>> >>>saying is so

>>> >>>> similar to our situation. My son has been wearing some of the

>>same

>>> >>>clothes

>>> >>>> he wore two years ago. He grew very well until he regressed.

>>I,

>>> >>>too, am

>>> >>>> wondering about a mercury issue.

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> His Hair Analysis shows a scattered pattern. I'm only listing

>>out

>>> >>>of range

>>> >>>> items. Some seem minimally high, others, way off.

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> mercury 3.2 (normal range (nr) 0-3) High

>>> >>>> arsenic 0.39 (nr<0.08) High

>>> >>>> Bismuth 0.19 (nr<0.13) High

>>> >>>> lead 1.2 (nr<1) High

>>> >>>> titanium 3.7 (nr<1) High

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> In his elements,

>>> >>>> zinc 83 (nr 100-190) Low

>>> >>>> chromium 0.23 (nr 0.26-0.5) Low

>>> >>>> selenium 0.85 (nr 0.95-1.7) Low ***

>>> >>>> strontium 0.13 (nr 0.16-1) Low

>>> >>>> barium 0.15 (nr 0.16-0.8) Low

>>> >>>> germanium 0.015 (nr 0.045-0.065) Low

>>> >>>> sodium 200 (nr 12-90) High ***

>>> >>>> potassium 150 (nr 12-40) High ***

>>> >>>> sulfur 54400 (nr 45500-53000) High

>>> >>>> rubidium 0.19 (nr 0.016-0.18) High

>>> >>>> zirconium 1.3 (nr 0.04-1) High

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> Do these figures indicate possible mercury poisoning? Could

>>this

>>> >>>explain is

>>> >>>> growth pattern?

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> OR

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> > ,

>>> >>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

>>> >>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

>>> >>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is

>>going

>>> >>>to

>>> >>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing,

>>but,

>>I

>>> >>>worry

>>> >>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He

>>weighed

>>> >>>7lb

>>> >>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early

>>(because

>>> >>>of

>>> >>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth

>>chart

>>> >>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill

>>from

>>> >>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between

>>12

>>and

>>> >>>22

>>> >>>> > months of age.

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every

>>three

>>> >>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said

>>it

>>> >>>was

>>> >>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

>>> >>>5'7 " .

>>> >>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall

>>families,

>>> >>>we

>>> >>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

>>> >>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the

>>xray or

>>> >>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the

>>doc

>>> >>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000

>>he

>>> >>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

>>> >>>extensive

>>> >>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

>>> >>>really

>>> >>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do

>>anything

>>> >>>that

>>> >>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were

>>doing

>>> >>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along

>>with

>>> >>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think

>>about

>>> >>>an

>>> >>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are

>>doing.

>> So

>>> >>>I

>>> >>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with

>>no

>>> >>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

>>> >>>know.

>>> >>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

>>> >>>commented

>>> >>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she

>>thought

>>> >>>that

>>> >>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his

>>amino

>>> >>>acids

>>> >>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

>>> >>>because

>>> >>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy

>>etc..

>>> >>>he

>>> >>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an

>>average

>>> >>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but

>>lots

>>> >>>of

>>> >>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the

>>GFCF

>>> >>>diet

>>> >>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30

>>months old

>>> >>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

>>> >>>children

>>> >>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from

>>someone

>>> >>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get

>>help

>>> >>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a

>>little

>>I

>>> >>>would

>>> >>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over

>>him.

>>> >>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made

>>it

>>past

>>> >>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

>>> >>>tall or

>>> >>>> > so either.

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > Thanks

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >

[Guest guest]

Some

have

houses built

on land that used to be orchards.

That is where we live, a place used to be a peach orchard. Where the mercury

would be ? In the spray? And, how do we get it now? We do eat a little

bit of home grown peach grown in our backyard....

What a dangerous world.

mt

[Guest guest]

From what I understand, a lot of orchards are sprayed with malathion which contain mercury salts. I believe there's a Kathy on this list who was poisoned that way. Also someone else who's child was showing high levels of mercury realized there home was built on land that used to be an orchard. I suppose it depends on if it's commercial or private?

Barb

Re: [ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

Some have houses built on land that used to be orchards.That is where we live, a place used to be a peach orchard. Where the mercury would be ? In the spray? And, how do we get it now? We do eat a little bit of home grown peach grown in our backyard.... What a dangerous world. mt

[Guest guest]

Barb, Bernie, Anybody!!

We also live on land that used to be an orange orchard but was converted to houses back in the 70's. My daughter's hair mercury was high. Could there be mercury in the soil even now that might vaporize during hot weather (we're in Southern California) and affect us? How would we find this out????

Re: [ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

Some have houses built on land that used to be orchards.That is where we live, a place used to be a peach orchard. Where the mercury would be ? In the spray? And, how do we get it now? We do eat a little bit of home grown peach grown in our backyard.... What a dangerous world. mt

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

As with so many treatments with our child, we investigate, ask questions and

evaluate what is right for our child.

Basically, GH treatment is physisolligical (so for the spelling) hormone

replacement. This means he will get a " normal " dosage based upon weight and

as he grows, his dosage will increase.

Your body has GH receptors in every organ, tissue, gland, muscle and even in

the brain. GH helps with the absorption of protein, fats and carbohydrates.

Fat people become skinny on GH. Old people become young. The immune system

improve. Digestion improves. A low tone or hypotone person gets muscle tone

in two weeks.

For Jordan, we did it to promote myelination of the brain and the nervous

system. It releases nerve growth factors so nerves can grow and branch.

Jordan has Down Syndrome, but went autistic from vaccines. Jordan is the

best looking, best acting DS child you will ever meet. This evening he was

out riding his scooter and playing football with the other boys in the

neighborhood.

GH is really an easy yes decision. Several DS/autistic children are on GH

and co-therapies have only augmented each other.

Call me if you have questions 559-324-8353

B.

>> >>

>> >>>Dear ,

>> >>> I do not know enough to tell you anything about the test results

>> >>>and growth. I am just now really beginning to realize that maybe my

>> >>>son isn't growing from the mercury. Like you said, my little boy was

>> >>>growing fine up until about the time that the regression/onset of

>> >>>autism started. Since then growth has been minimal. I understand

>> >>>about the clothes. My son is the only child I know personally that

>> >>>could wear the same coat three years straight and one pair of shoes

>> >>>would fit him for over a year. Most children go through clothes and

>> >>>shoes in months, not years.

>> >>> I do know that Dr. Cave told us that any mercury in the hair is

>> >>>a problem. So many of the kids who are dumping mercury never even

>> >>>have it show up on the hair analysis. My son's mercury never showed

>> >>>up in the hair. The way I understand it is that if the mercury is in

>> >>>the hair then you can be sure that the child is mercury toxic; no

>> >>>mercury is tolerable/acceptable. Are you not doing chelation yet? I

>> >>>know it seems frightening but, I would definitely check into it ASAP,

>> >>>especially since it was in his hair.

>> >>>

>> >>>Best wishes,

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>> ,

>> >>>> My son is 4 1/2 years old and weighs 32 pounds. What you are

>> >>>saying is so

>> >>>> similar to our situation. My son has been wearing some of the same

>> >>>clothes

>> >>>> he wore two years ago. He grew very well until he regressed. I,

>> >>>too, am

>> >>>> wondering about a mercury issue.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> His Hair Analysis shows a scattered pattern. I'm only listing out

>> >>>of range

>> >>>> items. Some seem minimally high, others, way off.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> mercury 3.2 (normal range (nr) 0-3) High

>> >>>> arsenic 0.39 (nr<0.08) High

>> >>>> Bismuth 0.19 (nr<0.13) High

>> >>>> lead 1.2 (nr<1) High

>> >>>> titanium 3.7 (nr<1) High

>> >>>>

>> >>>> In his elements,

>> >>>> zinc 83 (nr 100-190) Low

>> >>>> chromium 0.23 (nr 0.26-0.5) Low

>> >>>> selenium 0.85 (nr 0.95-1.7) Low ***

>> >>>> strontium 0.13 (nr 0.16-1) Low

>> >>>> barium 0.15 (nr 0.16-0.8) Low

>> >>>> germanium 0.015 (nr 0.045-0.065) Low

>> >>>> sodium 200 (nr 12-90) High ***

>> >>>> potassium 150 (nr 12-40) High ***

>> >>>> sulfur 54400 (nr 45500-53000) High

>> >>>> rubidium 0.19 (nr 0.016-0.18) High

>> >>>> zirconium 1.3 (nr 0.04-1) High

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Do these figures indicate possible mercury poisoning? Could this

>> >>>explain is

>> >>>> growth pattern?

>> >>>>

>> >>>> OR

>> >>>>

>> >>>> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> > ,

>> >>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

>> >>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

>> >>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

>> >>>to

>> >>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

>> >>>worry

>> >>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed

>> >>>7lb

>> >>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because

>> >>>of

>> >>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

>> >>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

>> >>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and

>> >>>22

>> >>>> > months of age.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

>> >>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

>> >>>was

>> >>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

>> >>>5'7 " .

>> >>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall families,

>> >>>we

>> >>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

>> >>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray or

>> >>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

>> >>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

>> >>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

>> >>>extensive

>> >>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

>> >>>really

>> >>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

>> >>>that

>> >>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

>> >>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

>> >>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

>> >>>an

>> >>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So

>> >>>I

>> >>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

>> >>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

>> >>>know.

>> >>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

>> >>>commented

>> >>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

>> >>>that

>> >>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

>> >>>acids

>> >>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

>> >>>because

>> >>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc..

>> >>>he

>> >>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an average

>> >>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots

>> >>>of

>> >>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

>> >>>diet

>> >>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months old

>> >>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

>> >>>children

>> >>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

>> >>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

>> >>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

>> >>>would

>> >>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

>> >>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it past

>> >>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

>> >>>tall or

>> >>>> > so either.

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> > Thanks

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

>> >>>> >

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I know nothing about this therapy so pardon my ignorance! Is the child

tested to see if there's a deficiency of GH first? How often and for how

long is it administered? Would it in any way interfere with the natural

development/growth process? How did you learn about it/how can I learn

more about it?

[ ] B. - Failure to thrive

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> > ,

> >> >>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

> >> >>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

> >> >>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

> >> >>>to

> >> >>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

> >> >>>worry

> >> >>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He

weighed

> >> >>>7lb

> >> >>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early

(because

> >> >>>of

> >> >>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth

chart

> >> >>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

> >> >>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12

and

> >> >>>22

> >> >>>> > months of age.

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

> >> >>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

> >> >>>was

> >> >>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

> >> >>>5'7 " .

> >> >>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall

families,

> >> >>>we

> >> >>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

> >> >>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray

or

> >> >>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

> >> >>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

> >> >>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

> >> >>>extensive

> >> >>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

> >> >>>really

> >> >>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

> >> >>>that

> >> >>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

> >> >>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

> >> >>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

> >> >>>an

> >> >>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing.

So

> >> >>>I

> >> >>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

> >> >>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

> >> >>>know.

> >> >>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

> >> >>>commented

> >> >>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

> >> >>>that

> >> >>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

> >> >>>acids

> >> >>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

> >> >>>because

> >> >>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy

etc..

> >> >>>he

> >> >>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an

average

> >> >>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but

lots

> >> >>>of

> >> >>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

> >> >>>diet

> >> >>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months

old

> >> >>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

> >> >>>children

> >> >>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from

someone

> >> >>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

> >> >>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

> >> >>>would

> >> >>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

> >> >>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it

past

> >> >>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

> >> >>>tall or

> >> >>>> > so either.

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> > Thanks

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> >

> >> >>>> >

[Guest guest]

Are these growth hormones injections or given orally?

Neena Garza

ngarza@...

Re: [ ] Re: B. - Failure to thrive

>

>Dear ,

>

>As with so many treatments with our child, we investigate, ask questions

and

>evaluate what is right for our child.

>

>Basically, GH treatment is physisolligical (so for the spelling) hormone

>replacement. This means he will get a " normal " dosage based upon weight

and

>as he grows, his dosage will increase.

>

>Your body has GH receptors in every organ, tissue, gland, muscle and even

in

>the brain. GH helps with the absorption of protein, fats and

carbohydrates.

>Fat people become skinny on GH. Old people become young. The immune

system

>improve. Digestion improves. A low tone or hypotone person gets muscle

tone

>in two weeks.

>

>For Jordan, we did it to promote myelination of the brain and the nervous

>system. It releases nerve growth factors so nerves can grow and branch.

>

>Jordan has Down Syndrome, but went autistic from vaccines. Jordan is the

>best looking, best acting DS child you will ever meet. This evening he was

>out riding his scooter and playing football with the other boys in the

>neighborhood.

>

>GH is really an easy yes decision. Several DS/autistic children are on GH

>and co-therapies have only augmented each other.

>

>Call me if you have questions 559-324-8353

>

> B.

>

>

>>> >>

>>> >>>Dear ,

>>> >>> I do not know enough to tell you anything about the test results

>>> >>>and growth. I am just now really beginning to realize that maybe my

>>> >>>son isn't growing from the mercury. Like you said, my little boy was

>>> >>>growing fine up until about the time that the regression/onset of

>>> >>>autism started. Since then growth has been minimal. I understand

>>> >>>about the clothes. My son is the only child I know personally that

>>> >>>could wear the same coat three years straight and one pair of shoes

>>> >>>would fit him for over a year. Most children go through clothes and

>>> >>>shoes in months, not years.

>>> >>> I do know that Dr. Cave told us that any mercury in the hair is

>>> >>>a problem. So many of the kids who are dumping mercury never even

>>> >>>have it show up on the hair analysis. My son's mercury never showed

>>> >>>up in the hair. The way I understand it is that if the mercury is in

>>> >>>the hair then you can be sure that the child is mercury toxic; no

>>> >>>mercury is tolerable/acceptable. Are you not doing chelation yet? I

>>> >>>know it seems frightening but, I would definitely check into it ASAP,

>>> >>>especially since it was in his hair.

>>> >>>

>>> >>>Best wishes,

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>--- In egroups, " The s " <ldrich@f...>

wrote:

>>> >>>> ,

>>> >>>> My son is 4 1/2 years old and weighs 32 pounds. What you are

>>> >>>saying is so

>>> >>>> similar to our situation. My son has been wearing some of the same

>>> >>>clothes

>>> >>>> he wore two years ago. He grew very well until he regressed. I,

>>> >>>too, am

>>> >>>> wondering about a mercury issue.

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> His Hair Analysis shows a scattered pattern. I'm only listing out

>>> >>>of range

>>> >>>> items. Some seem minimally high, others, way off.

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> mercury 3.2 (normal range (nr) 0-3) High

>>> >>>> arsenic 0.39 (nr<0.08) High

>>> >>>> Bismuth 0.19 (nr<0.13) High

>>> >>>> lead 1.2 (nr<1) High

>>> >>>> titanium 3.7 (nr<1) High

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> In his elements,

>>> >>>> zinc 83 (nr 100-190) Low

>>> >>>> chromium 0.23 (nr 0.26-0.5) Low

>>> >>>> selenium 0.85 (nr 0.95-1.7) Low ***

>>> >>>> strontium 0.13 (nr 0.16-1) Low

>>> >>>> barium 0.15 (nr 0.16-0.8) Low

>>> >>>> germanium 0.015 (nr 0.045-0.065) Low

>>> >>>> sodium 200 (nr 12-90) High ***

>>> >>>> potassium 150 (nr 12-40) High ***

>>> >>>> sulfur 54400 (nr 45500-53000) High

>>> >>>> rubidium 0.19 (nr 0.016-0.18) High

>>> >>>> zirconium 1.3 (nr 0.04-1) High

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> Do these figures indicate possible mercury poisoning? Could this

>>> >>>explain is

>>> >>>> growth pattern?

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> OR

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> [ ] B. - Failure to thrive

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>>

>>> >>>> > ,

>>> >>>> > Thanks so much for your post earlier - You answered many

>>> >>>> > questions that have been eating at me for about

>>> >>>> > two years now. I know now that my son, five years old, is going

>>> >>>to

>>> >>>> > be alright; we have pretty much beaten the autism thing, but, I

>>> >>>worry

>>> >>>> > daily about his size (or lack there of!).

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > Hunter is five and 1/2 and he just hit 35 pounds. He weighed

>>> >>>7lb

>>> >>>> > 14 oz at birth and was taken a little over 2 weeks early (because

>>> >>>of

>>> >>>> > his size). He was in the 50 to 80 percentile on the growth chart

>>> >>>> > until about 5 months of age and his growth went down hill from

>>> >>>> > there. He didn't really stop growing though until between 12 and

>>> >>>22

>>> >>>> > months of age.

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > We have been seeing a pediatric endocrinologist every three

>>> >>>> > months for the past 16 months. At first every one just said it

>>> >>>was

>>> >>>> > genetics because I am only 5 feet tall and my husband is only

>>> >>>5'7 " .

>>> >>>> > However my husband and I both come from average to tall families,

>>> >>>we

>>> >>>> > do however each have a short grandparent. Anyway, the

>>> >>>> > endocrinologist chalked it up to genetics until he did the xray

or

>>> >>>> > Hunter's hand and it showed that he was 2 years behind, the doc

>>> >>>> > became concerned at this point and said that if by June 2000 he

>>> >>>> > wasn't satisfied with Hunter's growth then we would do the

>>> >>>extensive

>>> >>>> > testing and proceed with hormones.

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > I did not keep the appointment in June because 1) I was

>>> >>>really

>>> >>>> > afraid, Hunter is doing so well and I am afraid to do anything

>>> >>>that

>>> >>>> > might interfere with his recovery in any way and 2)we were doing

>>> >>>> > mercury chelation and I didn't know how that might go along with

>>> >>>> > growth hormones and 3) I admit, I don't even want to think about

>>> >>>an

>>> >>>> > injectio every night along with everything else we are doing. So

>>> >>>I

>>> >>>> > assume you are chelating along with the growth hormones with no

>>> >>>> > problem. I can't see what the problem would be but you never

>>> >>>know.

>>> >>>> > And, does your son tolerate the injections well? Dr. Cave

>>> >>>commented

>>> >>>> > on Hunter's size the first time she ever saw him but she thought

>>> >>>that

>>> >>>> > his growth problems were due to the fact that 3/4 of his amino

>>> >>>acids

>>> >>>> > were low. Were your son's amino acids low also?

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > Hunter is still wearing 2T and 3T, we are really excited

>>> >>>because

>>> >>>> > this year he is wearing 4T. But clothes from GAP, Old Navy etc..

>>> >>>he

>>> >>>> > can still wear 24months to 36 months. He is the size of an

average

>>> >>>> > three year old (some are bigger!). He is skin over bones but lots

>>> >>>of

>>> >>>> > muscle, very lean. I know that with Hunter it is not the GFCF

>>> >>>diet

>>> >>>> > because he has been strictly GFCF since he was about 30 months

old

>>> >>>> > and he still isn't growing. I've heard that they think our

>>> >>>children

>>> >>>> > may grow though when we pull all of the mercury out.

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > Sorry this is so long, I am just so glad to hear from someone

>>> >>>> > sortof in my situation with good results and a way to get help

>>> >>>> > financially too! If I could just get Hunter to grow a little I

>>> >>>would

>>> >>>> > be able to finally have a little peace and not worry over him.

>>> >>>> > You would not know Hunter had ever had a dx today, we made it

past

>>> >>>> > that but I don't want him to face the problems of being 5feet

>>> >>>tall or

>>> >>>> > so either.

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> > Thanks

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >

>>> >>>> >