Re: behavior resurface quandary (long)

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My gut reaction to reading your post was stress being in school and adrenal issues, per the dilated pupils

Might be way off base though

Mandi x

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Cumin! I gave him cumin in a beef taco on Monday night. Isn't cumin a natural chelator?

From: Sharon Schachte <sharon@...>Autism Treatment Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 11:21:29 AMSubject: behavior resurface quandary (long)

Hello all,

This may get a bit long as I provide a little history. My son has been on Sara's diet with great success for a year and 1/2. Some of you know, but for those who don't, Sara's diet involves a restriction on lutein; a pigment found in colored fruits and veggies. Sara's diet allows some dairy fats, however Lukas has been gfcf in addition to a lutein restriction. He has issues with too much purine rich proteins as well so this is limited usually to once per day (dinner).

He had a great number of bowel issues that I had managed to resolve and was doing well until he started a pre-k program in September. I struggled again for the last two months to take back control of his bowel issues and thought I had him back on track during the holiday recess.

Each time Lukas back slides with bacteria/candida overgrowth, he spirals into his ocd and oppositional behaviors. However during the holiday break, I experimented with adding some things back into his diet. I added whole eggs (yolk contains lutein) to his cookies. He ate them at first and then didn't want them. This is unusual...he loves his cookies. Then I noticed some sensory issues crop up that I haven't seen since starting Sara's diet. They continued to escalate for three days. Ok...obviously can NOT use egg yolks. So then I try adding in goat's milk cream cheese. No obvious initial reaction, and no reaction days later. So I try the cheese again, still good.

Now he goes back to school. Two weeks into it, I am seeing the same sensory issues crop up that I saw when I experimented with egg. In addition to the ocd and the opposition. And his pupils may have been dilated yesterday. I didn't see them myself, but my husband mentioned his eyes didn't look right. The difference here is that his bowels are still solid, have a good odor and color. This in itself is an improvement in months.

So here is my quandary. Is it something in school? Is it an immune reaction (pupils/sensory) to something? Is it Food? Cleaner in school? Withdraw from the goat cheese given 7 days prior? OR Could it be that step backward that I see right before a big leap of progress? I remember when I used Pau d' Arco for the first time. THAT was one of the worse days (actually it may have been two or three) of my life, but I stayed the course and the results were remarkable. Is it possible it was a reaction to the contaminated zinc? But why now? I didn't see anything until I stopped giving it.

So if this was a reaction to something he ate, here is what he had over the weekend. Keep in mind there has been no previous reaction to this list of food prior to now, unless otherwise marked. These are just my initial suspects

Almond meal

Peanut butter

Chewable probio w/ acidophiles and bifidus

Chia seed

potato

beef (he may have had a reaction in the past)

New zinc tabs because of the Kirkman problem. (waiting for my new bottle to come)

Ideas anyone??

Sharon

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I think it's corriander (also known as cilantro) that is the chelator.  Corriander causes me to have migraines - I can only assume it might be the chelator effect.  I don't think that cumin is a chelator.  

2010/1/13 Sharon Schachte <sharon@...>

 

Cumin! I gave him cumin in a beef taco on Monday night. Isn't cumin a natural chelator?

From: Sharon Schachte <sharon@...>Autism Treatment

Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 11:21:29 AMSubject: behavior resurface quandary (long)

 

Hello all,

  This may get a bit long as I provide a little history. My son has been on Sara's diet with great success for a year and 1/2. Some of you know, but for those who don't, Sara's diet involves a restriction on lutein; a pigment found in colored fruits and veggies. Sara's diet allows some dairy fats, however Lukas has been gfcf in addition to a lutein restriction. He has issues with too much purine rich proteins as well so this is limited usually to once per day (dinner).

He had a great number of bowel issues that I had managed to resolve and was doing well until he started a pre-k program in September. I struggled again for the last two months to take back control of his bowel issues and thought I had him back on track during the holiday recess.

Each time Lukas back slides with bacteria/candida overgrowth, he spirals into his ocd and oppositional behaviors. However during the holiday break, I experimented with adding some things back into his diet. I added whole eggs (yolk contains lutein) to his cookies. He ate them at first and then didn't want them. This is unusual...he loves his cookies. Then I noticed some sensory issues crop up that I haven't seen since starting Sara's diet. They continued to escalate for three days. Ok...obviously can NOT use egg yolks. So then I try adding in goat's milk cream cheese. No obvious initial reaction, and no reaction days later. So I try the cheese again, still good.

Now he goes back to school. Two weeks into it, I am seeing the same sensory issues crop up that I saw when I experimented with egg. In addition to the ocd and the opposition. And his pupils may have been dilated yesterday. I didn't see them myself, but my husband mentioned his eyes didn't look right. The difference here is that his bowels are still solid, have a good odor and color. This in itself is an improvement in months.

 

So here is my quandary. Is it something in school? Is it an immune reaction (pupils/sensory) to something? Is it Food? Cleaner in school? Withdraw from the goat cheese given 7 days prior? OR  Could it be that step backward that I see right before a big leap of progress? I remember when I used Pau d' Arco for the first time. THAT was one of the worse days (actually it may have been two or three) of my life, but I stayed the course and the results were remarkable. Is it possible it was a reaction to the contaminated zinc? But why now? I didn't see anything until I stopped giving it.

 

So if this was a reaction to something he ate, here is what he had over the weekend. Keep in mind there has been no previous reaction to this list of food prior to now, unless otherwise marked. These are just my initial suspects

 

Almond meal

Peanut butter

Chewable probio w/ acidophiles and bifidus

Chia seed

potato

beef (he may have had a reaction in the past)

New zinc tabs because of the Kirkman problem. (waiting for my new bottle to come)

 

Ideas anyone??

Sharon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2010/1/13 Darla <rexel4@...>

I think it's corriander (also known as cilantro) that is the chelator.  Corriander causes me to have migraines - I can only assume it might be the chelator effect.  I don't think that cumin is a chelator. cilantro is dangerous to use as a chelator

-- is

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Dear Sharon,

We discovered about 3 years ago that I am just terrible with cumin myself.

We've not found any other herb or spice that I react to - just cumin. It has

such an awful and immediate effect on me. It took us a long while to figure it

out and it explains several years of sleepiness after some curries.

Sandyxx

[Guest guest]

Thanks is, yes I think it was cilantro's chelating effects I was thinking of, which I did not use.

From: is <alexis.atrekkie22@...>Autism Treatment Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 11:58:48 AMSubject: Re: behavior resurface quandary (long)

2010/1/13 Darla <rexel4googlemail (DOT) com>

I think it's corriander (also known as cilantro) that is the chelator. Corriander causes me to have migraines - I can only assume it might be the chelator effect. I don't think that cumin is a chelator.

cilantro is dangerous to use as a chelator -- is

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2010/1/13 Sharon Schachte <sharon@...>

Thanks is, yes I think it was cilantro's chelating effects I was thinking of, which I did not use.

Ah ok sorry too fogged up to read the whole of the original post. i hope you find a solution to your kids problems soon. -- is

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Is Cumin the spice that tastes soapy? is raging with that.

Vicky

>

> Dear Sharon,

>

> We discovered about 3 years ago that I am just terrible with cumin myself.

We've not found any other herb or spice that I react to - just cumin. It has

such an awful and immediate effect on me. It took us a long while to figure it

out and it explains several years of sleepiness after some curries.

> Sandyxx

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mandi

You may have something there. I am pretty sure Lukas has some adrenal issues but I never put it together with stress from school. Thanks I think you may have something there. Do you have any suggestions on what to do?

From: "Mum231ASD@..." <Mum231ASD@...>Autism Treatment Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 1:35:19 PMSubject: Re: behavior resurface quandary (long)

My gut reaction to reading your post was stress being in school and adrenal issues, per the dilated pupils

Might be way off base though

Mandi x

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Mandi,

I think you nailed it here. Thank you!! I think the stress from school and adrenal fatigue may tie into a lot of issues he is having that I couldnt' figure out. I was looking at either astragalus, Rescue remedy, or supreme. Rescue Remedy sounds extreme, I feel like supreme has too many herbs in it for my son, and a little concerned about astragalus due to a family history of MS. I am currently using just camomile and will see if that helps his anxieties.

Sharon

From: "Mum231ASD@..." <Mum231ASD@...>Autism Treatment Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 1:35:19 PMSubject: Re: behavior resurface quandary (long)

My gut reaction to reading your post was stress being in school and adrenal issues, per the dilated pupils

Might be way off base though

Mandi x