Guest guest Posted October 3, 2000 Report Share Posted October 3, 2000 Kathy, I am the " one mother " and my son was never prescribed thyroid medication despite his tests and symptoms!! He grows with zinc supplementation, but without it he doesn't. I spent countless hours researching to find the cause for my son's growth issues. I don't understand how my research and e-mail can be quoted without giving credit. Willis' paper is a great collection, but did he ever ask for permission to borrow all of the info that he presented? There is another vital imbalance said by Raphael Kellman, MD, The Center for Progressive Medicine in New York, to be present in his autistic patients—an underactive thyroid. He states that 90% of medical problems of both mother and child result from a lack of proper attention and testing of the thyroid and its functioning. The problem is that the standard medical tests for thyroid function, even the newer TSH test, are totally inadequate. Furthermore, the child is judged normal by adult ranges! One mother writes, “My son’s T4 is normal for an adult. I found a great article in CLINICAL CHEMISTRY (1999 Jul;45(7):1087-91) reporting a study done at Harvard by Zurakowski. It included scatter plots for several thousand kids for T4, T3, and TSH. There were separate plots for boys and girls. When I saw the plots it became obvious that my son’s T4 was quite low, yet the pediatric endocrinologist was unconcerned about my son’s T4 being below the 2 percentile for a boy his age.” Zinc supplementation can increased plasma levels of TSH, and normalized T3 and fT4 The one diagnosing must not rely on these readings alone, but must carefully consider the presenting symptoms. In final analysis, the bottom line is, “Did the patient respond favorably to thyroid medication?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2000 Report Share Posted October 3, 2000 , You might recall back some time ago on the secretin-discussion list when it was discovered that this same person had lifted off the internet a majority of Owen's paper from her Durham talk and had integrated it into portions of his paper, many times misconstruing what had said. In the same article were portions of a paper, also available online, which were written by Dr. Sinaiko. That is why I asked if any references were provided with the paper. My gut instinct told me it was probably your research that was being used this time, as you were the one that found the mercury T3 connection, (much to my delight)and the Zurakowski study, and had posted it to some of the lists. It is wrong for him to gather and use this information without the permission of the authors, especially since quite frequently things are taken out of context. Ricci <aplant@g...> wrote: > Kathy, > > I am the " one mother " and my son was never prescribed thyroid medication > despite his tests and symptoms!! He grows with zinc supplementation, but > without it he doesn't. I spent countless hours researching to find the cause for > my son's growth issues. I don't understand how my research and > e-mail can be quoted without giving credit. Willis' paper is a great collection, but > > did he ever ask for permission to borrow all of the info that he presented? > > > > There is another vital imbalance said by Raphael Kellman, MD, The Center for > Progressive Medicine in New York, to be present in his autistic patients—an > underactive thyroid. He states that 90% of medical problems of both mother > and child result from a lack of proper attention and testing of the thyroid > and its functioning. The problem is that the standard medical tests for > thyroid function, even the newer TSH test, are totally inadequate. > Furthermore, the child is judged normal by adult ranges! One mother writes, > " My son's T4 is normal for an adult. I found a great article in CLINICAL > CHEMISTRY (1999 Jul;45(7):1087-91) reporting a study done at Harvard by > Zurakowski. It included scatter plots for several thousand kids for T4, T3, > and TSH. There were separate plots for boys and girls. When I saw the plots > it became obvious that my son's T4 was quite low, yet the pediatric > endocrinologist was unconcerned about my son's T4 being below the 2 > percentile for a boy his age. " Zinc supplementation can increased plasma > levels of TSH, and normalized T3 and fT4 The one diagnosing must not rely on > these readings alone, but must carefully consider the presenting symptoms. > In final analysis, the bottom line is, " Did the patient respond favorably to > thyroid medication? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2000 Report Share Posted October 4, 2000 Ask him? Did we learn from you? YES...Thanks be to God for that....and a diligent mom! I personally learned from you, god bless you!!! I know it is done with the best of intentions, I don't think he wants your privacy disclosed, but if you want it so, I am sure he can add your credit? (willissl@... ), This is not a stagnant paper, it can be changed, it can be looked after. HUGS! Remember, he is just a concerned person, is not asking for dollars for this paper? (which he could do) Free information, don't you know...and intent is to heal our kids. Nothing finer. As for the list. Six words, CHILL, SAUNA, MASSAGE, GET OFF THE COMPUTER, HUG YOUR KIDS., get your mercury fillings out LOL.........enough said. Sometimes we spill the shit, let some people spill it, and let some mop it up, but as for me, I am am not hungry for anger/anks/shit , don't want to clean it up and rarely if ever want to toss it up to see what happens..... on with the information on mercury!!! I have all the information I need to satisfy my curiosity for one day (believe me, I know it all, hint). Off lists postings off subject work for me... " discuss amongst your selves " (myers move). Sometimes when something is at the CUSP of why this whole shit happened, is when we are most vulnerable and angry. Let's surface the anger when we need to, ie at doctors appointments, grocery stores, not at each other! Seek for the higher ground in all cases, that's my motto. Use your God given mothers intuition in all cases, don't get mad, get busy cooking GF CF, and madly finding the answers for your kids, but in the long haul, hug them, love them, be with them....(soap box and all). Kathy Re: [ ] from chapter on thyroid, et al Williss >Kathy, > >I am the " one mother " and my son was never prescribed thyroid medication >despite his tests and symptoms!! He grows with zinc supplementation, but >without it he doesn't. I spent countless hours researching to find the cause for >my son's growth issues. I don't understand how my research and >e-mail can be quoted without giving credit. Willis' paper is a great collection, but > >did he ever ask for permission to borrow all of the info that he presented? > > > >There is another vital imbalance said by Raphael Kellman, MD, The Center for >Progressive Medicine in New York, to be present in his autistic patients—an >underactive thyroid. He states that 90% of medical problems of both mother >and child result from a lack of proper attention and testing of the thyroid >and its functioning. The problem is that the standard medical tests for >thyroid function, even the newer TSH test, are totally inadequate. >Furthermore, the child is judged normal by adult ranges! One mother writes, >“My son’s T4 is normal for an adult. I found a great article in CLINICAL >CHEMISTRY (1999 Jul;45(7):1087-91) reporting a study done at Harvard by >Zurakowski. It included scatter plots for several thousand kids for T4, T3, >and TSH. There were separate plots for boys and girls. When I saw the plots >it became obvious that my son’s T4 was quite low, yet the pediatric >endocrinologist was unconcerned about my son’s T4 being below the 2 >percentile for a boy his age.” Zinc supplementation can increased plasma >levels of TSH, and normalized T3 and fT4 The one diagnosing must not rely on >these readings alone, but must carefully consider the presenting symptoms. >In final analysis, the bottom line is, “Did the patient respond favorably to >thyroid medication?” > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2000 Report Share Posted October 4, 2000 Ricci, Ah, the Willis' paper. I find it interesting that he borrowed without consent. I have recently gotten a hold of said paper. Is it of value, or has to many parts been misconstrued. I find a good portion of it useful and familiar, but I would like to hear more on this. loo [ ] Re: from chapter on thyroid, et al Williss , You might recall back some time ago on the secretin-discussion list when it was discovered that this same person had lifted off the internet a majority of Owen's paper from her Durham talk and had integrated it into portions of his paper, many times misconstruing what had said. In the same article were portions of a paper, also available online, which were written by Dr. Sinaiko. That is why I asked if any references were provided with the paper. My gut instinct told me it was probably your research that was being used this time, as you were the one that found the mercury T3 connection, (much to my delight)and the Zurakowski study, and had posted it to some of the lists. It is wrong for him to gather and use this information without the permission of the authors, especially since quite frequently things are taken out of context. Ricci <aplant@g...> wrote: > Kathy, > > I am the " one mother " and my son was never prescribed thyroid medication > despite his tests and symptoms!! He grows with zinc supplementation, but > without it he doesn't. I spent countless hours researching to find the cause for > my son's growth issues. I don't understand how my research and > e-mail can be quoted without giving credit. Willis' paper is a great collection, but > > did he ever ask for permission to borrow all of the info that he presented? > > > > There is another vital imbalance said by Raphael Kellman, MD, The Center for > Progressive Medicine in New York, to be present in his autistic patients-an > underactive thyroid. He states that 90% of medical problems of both mother > and child result from a lack of proper attention and testing of the thyroid > and its functioning. The problem is that the standard medical tests for > thyroid function, even the newer TSH test, are totally inadequate. > Furthermore, the child is judged normal by adult ranges! One mother writes, > " My son's T4 is normal for an adult. I found a great article in CLINICAL > CHEMISTRY (1999 Jul;45(7):1087-91) reporting a study done at Harvard by > Zurakowski. It included scatter plots for several thousand kids for T4, T3, > and TSH. There were separate plots for boys and girls. When I saw the plots > it became obvious that my son's T4 was quite low, yet the pediatric > endocrinologist was unconcerned about my son's T4 being below the 2 > percentile for a boy his age. " Zinc supplementation can increased plasma > levels of TSH, and normalized T3 and fT4 The one diagnosing must not rely on > these readings alone, but must carefully consider the presenting symptoms. > In final analysis, the bottom line is, " Did the patient respond favorably to > thyroid medication? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2000 Report Share Posted October 4, 2000 Just to let you know, I have had 20 requests for this information today, goes to show you how YOUR example has helped 20 moms, GOD BLESS YOU!!! (and me included) Hugs KAthy Re: [ ] from chapter on thyroid, et al Williss >Kathy, > >I am the " one mother " and my son was never prescribed thyroid medication >despite his tests and symptoms!! He grows with zinc supplementation, but >without it he doesn't. I spent countless hours researching to find the cause for >my son's growth issues. I don't understand how my research and >e-mail can be quoted without giving credit. Willis' paper is a great collection, but > >did he ever ask for permission to borrow all of the info that he presented? > > > >There is another vital imbalance said by Raphael Kellman, MD, The Center for >Progressive Medicine in New York, to be present in his autistic patients—an >underactive thyroid. He states that 90% of medical problems of both mother >and child result from a lack of proper attention and testing of the thyroid >and its functioning. The problem is that the standard medical tests for >thyroid function, even the newer TSH test, are totally inadequate. >Furthermore, the child is judged normal by adult ranges! One mother writes, >“My son’s T4 is normal for an adult. I found a great article in CLINICAL >CHEMISTRY (1999 Jul;45(7):1087-91) reporting a study done at Harvard by >Zurakowski. It included scatter plots for several thousand kids for T4, T3, >and TSH. There were separate plots for boys and girls. When I saw the plots >it became obvious that my son’s T4 was quite low, yet the pediatric >endocrinologist was unconcerned about my son’s T4 being below the 2 >percentile for a boy his age.” Zinc supplementation can increased plasma >levels of TSH, and normalized T3 and fT4 The one diagnosing must not rely on >these readings alone, but must carefully consider the presenting symptoms. >In final analysis, the bottom line is, “Did the patient respond favorably to >thyroid medication?” > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2000 Report Share Posted October 4, 2000 There comes a time when people must go, I have to now. IF any of you want the paper or to go on williss's email list, you can go to egroups to willissegroups . I don't and won't stand for bashing of dear sweet williss one more second. Apparently, there are some very angry moms here, God knows why, but we can't fling these arrows at every course of let me help you ideas. I pain with you, I pray for you (and of course my own life), and I hope that you may find the deepest desires of your heart! I have over 300 emails a day, at least 20% of them requesting Williss's paper. I have become his advertising agent I guess, with no financial ties, or recourse or some kind of trippy I know it all kind of motivation. I am a mom, just like you, and something worked, that is all. BLESSINGS AND LOVE and HUGS to my fellow co-anguishers in autism! Let's find some controversy in our behavior, look after your own beam! kblanco@... Re: [ ] from chapter on thyroid, et al Williss > > >>Kathy, >> >>I am the " one mother " and my son was never prescribed thyroid medication >>despite his tests and symptoms!! He grows with zinc supplementation, but >>without it he doesn't. I spent countless hours researching to find the >cause for >>my son's growth issues. I don't understand how my research and >>e-mail can be quoted without giving credit. Willis' paper is a great >collection, but >> >>did he ever ask for permission to borrow all of the info that he presented? >> >> >> >>There is another vital imbalance said by Raphael Kellman, MD, The Center >for >>Progressive Medicine in New York, to be present in his autistic patients—an >>underactive thyroid. He states that 90% of medical problems of both mother >>and child result from a lack of proper attention and testing of the thyroid >>and its functioning. The problem is that the standard medical tests for >>thyroid function, even the newer TSH test, are totally inadequate. >>Furthermore, the child is judged normal by adult ranges! One mother writes, >>“My son’s T4 is normal for an adult. I found a great article in CLINICAL >>CHEMISTRY (1999 Jul;45(7):1087-91) reporting a study done at Harvard by >>Zurakowski. It included scatter plots for several thousand kids for T4, T3, >>and TSH. There were separate plots for boys and girls. When I saw the plots >>it became obvious that my son’s T4 was quite low, yet the pediatric >>endocrinologist was unconcerned about my son’s T4 being below the 2 >>percentile for a boy his age.” Zinc supplementation can increased plasma >>levels of TSH, and normalized T3 and fT4 The one diagnosing must not rely >on >>these readings alone, but must carefully consider the presenting symptoms. >>In final analysis, the bottom line is, “Did the patient respond favorably >to >>thyroid medication?” >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2000 Report Share Posted October 11, 2000 From the research that I have read, the thyroid is a very nutritionally sensitve gland. It requires a tremondous variaty of vitamins, minerals and amino acids. Such as tyrosine, Vit A, B6, B12, iodine, iron to name a few. If you develope low levels, it can affect thyroid functioning. B ---------- >From: " The s " <ldrich@...> >< egroups> >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: from chapter on thyroid, et al Williss >Date: Tue, Oct 3, 2000, 6:26 PM > > Ricci, > Ah, the Willis' paper. I find it interesting that he borrowed without > consent. I have recently gotten a hold of said paper. Is it of value, or > has to many parts been misconstrued. I find a good portion of it useful and > familiar, but I would like to hear more on this. > > loo > > [ ] Re: from chapter on thyroid, et al Williss > > > , > You might recall back some time ago on the secretin-discussion list > when it was discovered that this same person had lifted off the > internet a majority of Owen's paper from her Durham talk and > had integrated it into portions of his paper, many times > misconstruing what had said. In the same article were portions > of a paper, also available online, which were written by Dr. > Sinaiko. That is why I asked if any references were provided > with the paper. My gut instinct told me it was probably your > research that was being used this time, as you were the one that > found the mercury T3 connection, (much to my delight)and the > Zurakowski study, and had posted it to some of the lists. > > It is wrong for him to gather and use this information without the > permission of the authors, especially since quite frequently things > are taken out of context. > Ricci > > <aplant@g...> wrote: >> Kathy, >> >> I am the " one mother " and my son was never prescribed thyroid > medication >> despite his tests and symptoms!! He grows with zinc > supplementation, but >> without it he doesn't. I spent countless hours researching to find > the cause for >> my son's growth issues. I don't understand how my research and >> e-mail can be quoted without giving credit. Willis' paper is a > great collection, but >> >> did he ever ask for permission to borrow all of the info that he > presented? >> >> >> >> There is another vital imbalance said by Raphael Kellman, MD, The > Center for >> Progressive Medicine in New York, to be present in his autistic > patients-an >> underactive thyroid. He states that 90% of medical problems of both > mother >> and child result from a lack of proper attention and testing of the > thyroid >> and its functioning. The problem is that the standard medical tests > for >> thyroid function, even the newer TSH test, are totally inadequate. >> Furthermore, the child is judged normal by adult ranges! One mother > writes, >> " My son's T4 is normal for an adult. I found a great > article in > CLINICAL >> CHEMISTRY (1999 Jul;45(7):1087-91) reporting a study done at > Harvard by >> Zurakowski. It included scatter plots for several thousand kids for > T4, T3, >> and TSH. There were separate plots for boys and girls. When I saw > the plots >> it became obvious that my son's T4 was quite low, yet the > pediatric >> endocrinologist was unconcerned about my son's T4 being below > the 2 >> percentile for a boy his age. " Zinc supplementation can > increased > plasma >> levels of TSH, and normalized T3 and fT4 The one diagnosing must > not rely on >> these readings alone, but must carefully consider the presenting > symptoms. >> In final analysis, the bottom line is, " Did the patient respond > favorably to >> thyroid medication? " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2000 Report Share Posted October 11, 2000 if iodine is low in the hair test what is best way to supplement ? thx --- In egroups, " Blevins " <rdmagic@m...> wrote: > From the research that I have read, the thyroid is a very nutritionally > sensitve gland. It requires a tremondous variaty of vitamins, minerals and > amino acids. Such as tyrosine, Vit A, B6, B12, iodine, iron to name a few. > If you develope low levels, it can affect thyroid functioning. > > B > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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