Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 < Has anyone used the flushes to recover from a situation this " dire " ? Since I'm still getting stones, should I continue the flushes and maybe things will get better? *************** Hi, Well, maybe that's my problem, fatigue. But I'm going to be trying some stuff that helps people who have gallbladders have a very good bile flow, it thins it down like paint thinner. It's called Beta TCP, I believe. I'll have to link you to the one website that I found it at. It's not that expensive at all. I think it's like $13 for 90 tablets. The thing is, a company called Biotics makes it, but only sells it to health professionals like doctors, chiropractors, osteopathic doctors, etc. Thing is about this stuff, you must have a dark colored bowel movement, must have your gallbladder. Now, they have a product for those who have no gallbladder called Beta Plus. If you don't have a GB, then seriously, you need this products. This Beta TCP is made out of organic beets, has taurine and something else. It's purely healthy and thins that bile down. Take care, Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 I would suggest that you get Dr. Colberts book. Its called Toxic Relief. You can go to www.drcolbert.com. It sounds like you may be toxed up. I suggest doing some juicing. Read the book it explains all this. >From: " " <jknittle@...> >Reply-gallstones ><gallstones > >Subject: Please Help >Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:20:47 -0500 > >Hello, > >I've been a member of this list a few times and found >it to be very helpful. I'll try to relate my experience >in as few words as possible. > >I've been VERY VERY sick with CFS like symptoms, >food allergies, am almost completely bedridden, have >no appetite, have digestive problems, shortness of breath, >chest pains, itching all over, numb legs, etc. I've been >sick for five years but bedridden for about one and a half. > >I've done three flushes in the last two months. They >were all " successful " (as far as number of stones, etc.). >But.... after the first one, I felt GREAT. I had an appetite >again, some energy, slept better. But since then I've >gone downhill badly and although the second and third >flushes were just as " successful " , they left me even more >fatigued and didn't produce the benefits of the first. Can >anyone comment if they've had similar experiences? Has >anyone used the flushes to recover from a situation this > " dire " ? Since I'm still getting stones, should I continue the flushes >and maybe things will get better? > >I've been diagnosed (by ultrasound) with gallstones and a >fatty liver. I've tried SO many natural things and herbs (I'm >unable to tolerate herbs anymore) but the ONLY thing that has >helped has been the flush (the first one). > >I'm really at the end of my rope. I'm so weak I can't function, >and even though I try to force myself, I'm not eating enough >to stay alive long (that's not an exaggerration) because of >a TOTAL lack of appetite. The doctors say there is nothing >they can do and have said they can't believe my liver can >be in that bad a shape " because I'm only 33 and have never >drank alcohol " . They consider my " badly congested liver " as >something that " shouldn't be giving me too much trouble " . >Yeah right.... > >Thanks for listening and any thoughts would be appreciated. >Thanks so much. > >Sincerely, _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 , I'm so sorry to hear of your serious life threatening condition. You may have a problem with toxicity that has caused your body's natural filter system to become overloaded. When you clean your filter, i.e. flush your liver, it might become clogged and non-functional very quickly due to the excessive burden of toxins waiting to be processed out. The flushes are important, but finding and eliminating your toxins are paramount. There are also plenty of foods and herbs that clean and strengthen the bowl, liver, and kidneys to aid detoxification. If you have metal amalgam ( " silver " ) fillings in your mouth, that should be at the top of your list of toxins to get removed. They are about 50% mercury and continuously give off vapors into your saliva and lungs, both of which lead to continuous poisioning. There are of course lots of other potential sources of toxins, but if you have metal fillings, you need to get them removed along with whatever else you do. I just got back from Atlanta, Ga USA last week to have all of mine removed. After chewing gum for about 10 minutes the mercury vapor meter the dentist used read 60 microgams per cubic meter of air. This is about 1000 times the EPA'a limit for air, and I was breathing it every day from my own mouth. The brains of dead people who are tested for mercury during autopsy have mercury levels directly proportional to the number of amalgam fillings in their teeth. The suff gets out of the fillings, into the body, and accumulates until the source is removed. The body gets rid of it, but fillings can easily put mercury into the body faster than we get rid of it. I sure hope you find a solution to your problem soon. Chelation therapy under the care of a skilled practitioner would also help you get the toxins out. He/She would also help you get the nutritional support you would need during the treatment. Lastly, if you haven't read the book, " The Cure for all Diseases " by Dr. Hulda I'd highly recommend it. It will show you that parasites are much more of a factor in our health problems than our " modern medical world " realizes. Many people with a variety of ailments have used her treatment methods to greatly help themselves when conventional medicine would have helped them to their graves. God Bless You, Vince Richter >From: " " <jknittle@...> >Reply-gallstones ><gallstones > >Subject: Please Help >Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:20:47 -0500 > >Hello, > >I've been a member of this list a few times and found >it to be very helpful. I'll try to relate my experience >in as few words as possible. > >I've been VERY VERY sick with CFS like symptoms, >food allergies, am almost completely bedridden, have >no appetite, have digestive problems, shortness of breath, >chest pains, itching all over, numb legs, etc. I've been >sick for five years but bedridden for about one and a half. > >I've done three flushes in the last two months. They >were all " successful " (as far as number of stones, etc.). >But.... after the first one, I felt GREAT. I had an appetite >again, some energy, slept better. But since then I've >gone downhill badly and although the second and third >flushes were just as " successful " , they left me even more >fatigued and didn't produce the benefits of the first. Can >anyone comment if they've had similar experiences? Has >anyone used the flushes to recover from a situation this > " dire " ? Since I'm still getting stones, should I continue the flushes >and maybe things will get better? > >I've been diagnosed (by ultrasound) with gallstones and a >fatty liver. I've tried SO many natural things and herbs (I'm >unable to tolerate herbs anymore) but the ONLY thing that has >helped has been the flush (the first one). > >I'm really at the end of my rope. I'm so weak I can't function, >and even though I try to force myself, I'm not eating enough >to stay alive long (that's not an exaggerration) because of >a TOTAL lack of appetite. The doctors say there is nothing >they can do and have said they can't believe my liver can >be in that bad a shape " because I'm only 33 and have never >drank alcohol " . They consider my " badly congested liver " as >something that " shouldn't be giving me too much trouble " . >Yeah right.... > >Thanks for listening and any thoughts would be appreciated. >Thanks so much. > >Sincerely, _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 Can Lecthin desolve gallstones? NS V. Richter wrote: > , > > I'm so sorry to hear of your serious life threatening condition. You may > have a problem with toxicity that has caused your body's natural filter > system to become overloaded. When you clean your filter, i.e. flush your > liver, it might become clogged and non-functional very quickly due to the > excessive burden of toxins waiting to be processed out. The flushes are > important, but finding and eliminating your toxins are paramount. There are > also plenty of foods and herbs that clean and strengthen the bowl, liver, > and kidneys to aid detoxification. > > If you have metal amalgam ( " silver " ) fillings in your mouth, that should be > at the top of your list of toxins to get removed. They are about 50% > mercury and continuously give off vapors into your saliva and lungs, both of > which lead to continuous poisioning. > > There are of course lots of other potential sources of toxins, but if you > have metal fillings, you need to get them removed along with whatever else > you do. > > I just got back from Atlanta, Ga USA last week to have all of mine removed. > After chewing gum for about 10 minutes the mercury vapor meter the dentist > used read 60 microgams per cubic meter of air. This is about 1000 times the > EPA'a limit for air, and I was breathing it every day from my own mouth. > The brains of dead people who are tested for mercury during autopsy have > mercury levels directly proportional to the number of amalgam fillings in > their teeth. The suff gets out of the fillings, into the body, and > accumulates until the source is removed. The body gets rid of it, but > fillings can easily put mercury into the body faster than we get rid of it. > > I sure hope you find a solution to your problem soon. Chelation therapy > under the care of a skilled practitioner would also help you get the toxins > out. He/She would also help you get the nutritional support you would need > during the treatment. > > Lastly, if you haven't read the book, " The Cure for all Diseases " by Dr. > Hulda I'd highly recommend it. It will show you that parasites are > much more of a factor in our health problems than our " modern medical world " > realizes. Many people with a variety of ailments have used her treatment > methods to greatly help themselves when conventional medicine would have > helped them to their graves. > > God Bless You, > > Vince Richter > > >From: " " <jknittle@...> > >Reply-gallstones > ><gallstones > > >Subject: Please Help > >Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:20:47 -0500 > > > >Hello, > > > >I've been a member of this list a few times and found > >it to be very helpful. I'll try to relate my experience > >in as few words as possible. > > > >I've been VERY VERY sick with CFS like symptoms, > >food allergies, am almost completely bedridden, have > >no appetite, have digestive problems, shortness of breath, > >chest pains, itching all over, numb legs, etc. I've been > >sick for five years but bedridden for about one and a half. > > > >I've done three flushes in the last two months. They > >were all " successful " (as far as number of stones, etc.). > >But.... after the first one, I felt GREAT. I had an appetite > >again, some energy, slept better. But since then I've > >gone downhill badly and although the second and third > >flushes were just as " successful " , they left me even more > >fatigued and didn't produce the benefits of the first. Can > >anyone comment if they've had similar experiences? Has > >anyone used the flushes to recover from a situation this > > " dire " ? Since I'm still getting stones, should I continue the flushes > >and maybe things will get better? > > > >I've been diagnosed (by ultrasound) with gallstones and a > >fatty liver. I've tried SO many natural things and herbs (I'm > >unable to tolerate herbs anymore) but the ONLY thing that has > >helped has been the flush (the first one). > > > >I'm really at the end of my rope. I'm so weak I can't function, > >and even though I try to force myself, I'm not eating enough > >to stay alive long (that's not an exaggerration) because of > >a TOTAL lack of appetite. The doctors say there is nothing > >they can do and have said they can't believe my liver can > >be in that bad a shape " because I'm only 33 and have never > >drank alcohol " . They consider my " badly congested liver " as > >something that " shouldn't be giving me too much trouble " . > >Yeah right.... > > > >Thanks for listening and any thoughts would be appreciated. > >Thanks so much. > > > >Sincerely, > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > Learn more from our experience, more then 200 liver flush stories: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > > Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://www.CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/ > > Web Sites for more information: > http://CureZone.com/gallstones/ > http://www.liverdoctor.com/ > http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ > > List Unsubscribe: gallstones-unsubscribe > Post message: gallstones > > Group page: gallstones > Group Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the Gallstones group on 's groups. 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Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 - I started doing undenatured whey (I use Immunepro) in addition to the flushes for my CFS and am really happy with the result. I have LOTS more energy (and my joint pain is less, too). Hugs, Roseanna in NoCal; FMS/CFS always; hypothyroid (cytomel) 8/73, HG diet 3/99, wheat/milk allergy 3/99, guai/robinul 8/99, whey 3/8 tsp 04/01, amalgams out 6/01, liver cleansing monthly _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 , You sound like what happened to me last year!! I also had terrible experiences with the following flushes. I even tried parisite cleanses but they tore my digestive system up so bad I could not stay on them. The Flushes are tough on a weak digestive system expecially a weakened liver. I became so weak after the last flush I discontinued them. I lost 40 lbs in a year. People thought I had cancer or aids!!I finally got help by going to a good gastro who believes in natural remedies first and surgery and drugs last! She put me on to a very concentrated high grade probiotics (freindly bacteria) called Trinity by a company called Natren. I immediately got my strength back and put about 20 lbs on in 4 months. I still am having digestive problems but they are not near as severe. You might want to give them a try!! I've got gallstones too but I have not had any attacks like the ones people describe on this website. Just bad digestive problems. They (my previous doctor) wanted to yank my GB just to see if it would help!! Sorry but I have to have more poof that my problem is my GB before I let anyone cut. That is why I seeked out and found a good gastro. I not trying to put down flushing, but I think that if you are not well it can really tax your system as it did mine. Don > Hello, > > I've been a member of this list a few times and found > it to be very helpful. I'll try to relate my experience > in as few words as possible. > > I've been VERY VERY sick with CFS like symptoms, > food allergies, am almost completely bedridden, have > no appetite, have digestive problems, shortness of breath, > chest pains, itching all over, numb legs, etc. I've been > sick for five years but bedridden for about one and a half. > > I've done three flushes in the last two months. They > were all " successful " (as far as number of stones, etc.). > But.... after the first one, I felt GREAT. I had an appetite > again, some energy, slept better. But since then I've > gone downhill badly and although the second and third > flushes were just as " successful " , they left me even more > fatigued and didn't produce the benefits of the first. Can > anyone comment if they've had similar experiences? Has > anyone used the flushes to recover from a situation this > " dire " ? Since I'm still getting stones, should I continue the flushes > and maybe things will get better? > > I've been diagnosed (by ultrasound) with gallstones and a > fatty liver. I've tried SO many natural things and herbs (I'm > unable to tolerate herbs anymore) but the ONLY thing that has > helped has been the flush (the first one). > > I'm really at the end of my rope. I'm so weak I can't function, > and even though I try to force myself, I'm not eating enough > to stay alive long (that's not an exaggerration) because of > a TOTAL lack of appetite. The doctors say there is nothing > they can do and have said they can't believe my liver can > be in that bad a shape " because I'm only 33 and have never > drank alcohol " . They consider my " badly congested liver " as > something that " shouldn't be giving me too much trouble " . > Yeah right.... > > Thanks for listening and any thoughts would be appreciated. > Thanks so much. > > Sincerely, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 In a message dated 8/5/01 6:24:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, new_man85@... writes: > If you have metal amalgam ( " silver " ) fillings in your mouth, that should be > at the top of your list of toxins to get removed. They are about 50% > mercury and continuously give off vapors into your saliva and lungs, both > of > which lead to continuous poisioning. > > There are of course lots of other potential sources of toxins, but if you > have metal fillings, you need to get them removed along with whatever else > you do. > > I just got back from Atlanta, Ga USA last week to have all of mine removed. > > After chewing gum for about 10 minutes the mercury vapor meter the dentist > used read 60 microgams per cubic meter of air. This is about 1000 times > the > EPA'a limit for air, and I was breathing it every day from my own mouth. > The brains of dead people who are tested for mercury during autopsy have > mercury levels directly proportional to the number of amalgam fillings in > their teeth. The suff gets out of the fillings, into the body, and > accumulates until the source is removed. The body gets rid of it, but > fillings can easily put mercury into the body faster than we get rid of it. > > I sure hope you find a solution to your problem soon. Chelation therapy > under the care of a skilled practitioner would also help you get the toxins > out. He/She would also help you get the nutritional support you would need > during the treatment. > > You need to be very careful in following advice like this. First of all, chelation therapy can be very dangerous no matter what they say. I used an oral chelation preparation containing only 50 mg of EDTA, which really shouldn't have done much of anything, and it sent me into a suicidal depression and really messed up my health. I now have eczema on one foot which won't go away no matter what. If you're real sick and your body is demineralized, chelation will send you for a tailspin. Go to www.dmpsbackfire.com and do some reading before you even consider chelation. And whatever you do, don't do a DMPS challenge test without reading this website! Telling people to remove their mercury fillings is very simplistic. It also can be a very dangerous thing to do, and I know a multitude of people whose health was ruined by removing mercury fillings and replacing them with plastic (composite resin). Most so-called holistic dentists out there don't have a clue what they're doing. You spend thousands of dollars and you're much worse off than when you had mercury. I've met many victims of " holistic dentistry. " One who spent $100,000, went from holistic dentist to dentist, and ended up with a ruined mouth, and was a " dental cripple. " Bankrupt as well. Plastic fillings ruined my health; I can't tell you how much I wish I'd just left the mercury alone. Hulda is totally, utterly wrong on this issue. Don't listen to her if you value your life! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 , I hope you feel better soon. Sounds like you are getting a great deal of sound advice. Like you, doctors told me my liver was in bad shape and I don't drink. He told me to make sure not to let my health insurance laps because there was probably a liver transplant in my future. Not willing to accept this, I began looking for alternative ways to regain my health. Advice given to me by a lady with the same problem was to make sure you are getting enough water each day. If your body becomes dehydrated, your kidneys are unable to function properly causing your liver to work harder. Simple advice, but when I increased my water intake (I was always dehydrated before this) I began to see improvement. Just thought you might want to add this to your list of things to try. Good luck. Barbara > Hello, > > I've been a member of this list a few times and found > it to be very helpful. I'll try to relate my experience > in as few words as possible. > > I've been VERY VERY sick with CFS like symptoms, > food allergies, am almost completely bedridden, have > no appetite, have digestive problems, shortness of breath, > chest pains, itching all over, numb legs, etc. I've been > sick for five years but bedridden for about one and a half. > > I've done three flushes in the last two months. They > were all " successful " (as far as number of stones, etc.). > But.... after the first one, I felt GREAT. I had an appetite > again, some energy, slept better. But since then I've > gone downhill badly and although the second and third > flushes were just as " successful " , they left me even more > fatigued and didn't produce the benefits of the first. Can > anyone comment if they've had similar experiences? Has > anyone used the flushes to recover from a situation this > " dire " ? Since I'm still getting stones, should I continue the flushes > and maybe things will get better? > > I've been diagnosed (by ultrasound) with gallstones and a > fatty liver. I've tried SO many natural things and herbs (I'm > unable to tolerate herbs anymore) but the ONLY thing that has > helped has been the flush (the first one). > > I'm really at the end of my rope. I'm so weak I can't function, > and even though I try to force myself, I'm not eating enough > to stay alive long (that's not an exaggerration) because of > a TOTAL lack of appetite. The doctors say there is nothing > they can do and have said they can't believe my liver can > be in that bad a shape " because I'm only 33 and have never > drank alcohol " . They consider my " badly congested liver " as > something that " shouldn't be giving me too much trouble " . > Yeah right.... > > Thanks for listening and any thoughts would be appreciated. > Thanks so much. > > Sincerely, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 J., I'm truly sorry that you had such a bad experience with amalgam removal and chelation. There is widely disseminated information on the plastics which are used for dental fillings and thier incompatibility with some some peoples bodies. It is also well known that the removal of amalgams and chelation can put a great strain on one's system. It sounds like you got the worst of these procedures every way around. The solution for anyone else is to learn from your mistakes concerning what not to do. First, go to a dentist like I did who is trained in Dr. Hal Huggins methods of amalgam removal to prevent making matters worse. Don't attempt a detox until your system is in good shape if possible - parasite flush, liver flush, kidney flush, bowl flush complete. Add to the cleanups nutritional support for helping the body with the extra burden of detox. VERY importantly, get tested for compatibility of any substance you put in your body. If you had done this you wouldn't have had amalgams or your dental plastic in your body in the first place. Different people are sensitive to different plastics. I got a composite that is known to be compatible with most, but not all, people. You are absolutely right about most holistic health practitioners not being fully qualified to handle mercury removal and detox. That's why you want to make sure you go to one that is. It's not too late for you. There's step by step help for your specific problems, but you are the only one who can become an expert on what your problems are and what needs to be done about them. When you determine that, you can look for skilled and knowledgeble people to help you in your journey to better health. Wishing you the best of health, Vince >From: Nixhiv@... >Reply-gallstones >gallstones >Subject: Re: Please Help >Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:59:59 EDT > >In a message dated 8/5/01 6:24:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >new_man85@... writes: > > > > If you have metal amalgam ( " silver " ) fillings in your mouth, that should >be > > at the top of your list of toxins to get removed. They are about 50% > > mercury and continuously give off vapors into your saliva and lungs, >both > > of > > which lead to continuous poisioning. > > > > There are of course lots of other potential sources of toxins, but if >you > > have metal fillings, you need to get them removed along with whatever >else > > you do. > > > > I just got back from Atlanta, Ga USA last week to have all of mine >removed. > > > > After chewing gum for about 10 minutes the mercury vapor meter the >dentist > > used read 60 microgams per cubic meter of air. This is about 1000 times > > the > > EPA'a limit for air, and I was breathing it every day from my own mouth. > > The brains of dead people who are tested for mercury during autopsy have > > mercury levels directly proportional to the number of amalgam fillings >in > > their teeth. The suff gets out of the fillings, into the body, and > > accumulates until the source is removed. The body gets rid of it, but > > fillings can easily put mercury into the body faster than we get rid of >it. > > > > I sure hope you find a solution to your problem soon. Chelation therapy > > under the care of a skilled practitioner would also help you get the >toxins > > out. He/She would also help you get the nutritional support you would >need > > during the treatment. > > > > > >You need to be very careful in following advice like this. First of all, >chelation therapy can be very dangerous no matter what they say. I used an >oral chelation preparation containing only 50 mg of EDTA, which really >shouldn't have done much of anything, and it sent me into a suicidal >depression and really messed up my health. I now have eczema on one foot >which won't go away no matter what. If you're real sick and your body is >demineralized, chelation will send you for a tailspin. Go to >www.dmpsbackfire.com and do some reading before you even consider >chelation. >And whatever you do, don't do a DMPS challenge test without reading this >website! > >Telling people to remove their mercury fillings is very simplistic. It >also >can be a very dangerous thing to do, and I know a multitude of people whose >health was ruined by removing mercury fillings and replacing them with >plastic (composite resin). Most so-called holistic dentists out there >don't >have a clue what they're doing. You spend thousands of dollars and you're >much worse off than when you had mercury. I've met many victims of > " holistic >dentistry. " One who spent $100,000, went from holistic dentist to dentist, >and ended up with a ruined mouth, and was a " dental cripple. " Bankrupt as >well. Plastic fillings ruined my health; I can't tell you how much I wish >I'd just left the mercury alone. Hulda is totally, utterly wrong on >this issue. Don't listen to her if you value your life! > > J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Try these ones: http://www.wholesaleSuppliesPlus.com, http://www.sunburstbottle.com/index.html (they have a lot of reasonably priced stuff. _ I ordered from them last Thursday, they shipped out Friday morning, and I had it onmy door Monday morning of this week. ) They are in Ca! HTH Debbie~ ---------------------- " Wayne and Janet Brunner " <wajabrun@...> wrote: >Thanks Debbie - got it this time >But........guess what? They're out of stock >White Powder Shaker Containers: Snap on sprinkle lids. >6 oz perfect for any label colored, clear or white. (OUT OF >STOCK) > >Any other ideas? >Janet > > -- http://www.candlecreationsbydeb.com Stamps.com for $25.00 in free postage click here: http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=27893756 & siteid=39019102 & bf page=stamps_com __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Geez...my Rheumatologist has never given me an examination like that. He will press on my knees, feet & hands. I've never had to remove any clothing Maybe some of the others in this group may have had that type of examination by their Rheumatologist, depending on their particular condition. To me, it's just really odd that this type of specialist would have examined you in that manner. I mean you expect that type of examination by your ob/gyn. Since you were uncomfortable with this doctor, find another one that you will be comfortable with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 yes i have notified my insurance company and i will be seeing another one sometime in january probably... there are only 2 in my whole plan so i hope this other guy isnt the same way you know? but what are really the chances of that... I just feel very uneasy and violated... i am filing a formal complaint with my states DA office... and filing a local police report.. i dont want to sue or go to court.. But i do want this on record.. GOD ONLY FORBID, he does this to someone else... i don't want him to have a clean slate you know? im also very angry at my mom for laughing at this.. when her daughter got groped right in front of her eyes.. I've NEVER had any doctor other then an ob/gyn do that to me... and no doctor no matter what i went in for asked me to remove clothign.. why couldnt he feel my joints thre my clothes? uggh im getting the creeps just talking about it -- - In Rheumatoid Arthritis@y..., " Barbara " <ash_belle@y...> wrote: > Geez...my Rheumatologist has never given me an examination like > that. He will press on my knees, feet & hands. I've never had to > remove any clothing > > Maybe some of the others in this group may have had that type of > examination by their Rheumatologist, depending on their particular > condition. To me, it's just really odd that this type of specialist > would have examined you in that manner. I mean you expect that type > of examination by your ob/gyn. > > Since you were uncomfortable with this doctor, find another one that > you will be comfortable with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 I think you are right - that you were inappropriately examined. I would make a complaint to someone - anyone. That sort of behavior shouldn't be tolerated. I realize that when it is happening, you don't know what to say, or to do and wonder if you are imagining things. Anytime that you feel something weird is going on, you have the right to tell him to stop and that you don't feel comfortable with the way he's examining you. You should demand that a nurse be in the room with you at all times. And if he starts giving you attitude, put on your clothes and report him to the nearest medical board. All of us should feel that we are in charge of our own medical care - certainly of our bodies and that no one has the right to make us feel weird about our instincts. You should be able to ask your doctor anything, and trust that he/she will listen to you concerns and address you with respect. You need to find a doctor who will support you and the manner in which you'd like to be treated. When you are sick, you are incredibly vulnerable - and we put our trust and our lives into others' care. For someone to take advantage of you in this way is outrageous and should not be practicing medicine. You sound like a reasonable person. And your mother seems to agree with what happened in that examination. Trust your feelings and make a complaint. gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 I totally agree with you! I have NEVER been asked to put disrobe at my rheumy's office!,,,and for him to feel your breasts was just inappropriate and unprofessional! Definately file a complaint...and get a new MD quick!!!! sherri ps-I am a nurse, and his behavour was just demeaning and unprofessional to the medical profession, and o you, the customer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Yes, you were violated. I realize you don't want to go to the DA etc...but you should. You should report him to the police, if they don't help go up the line to the DA etc...This man has NO RIGHT to touch you inappropriately. Carla -----Original Message----- From: Lollipop girl [mailto:lollipop725@...] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:05 PM Rheumatoid Arthritis Subject: please help I think i may have been sexually mis treated at my first rheumotolgist visit today! let me explain now mind you my mother and young child are in the room while all this is taking place.. he asks me to remove everything but my bra and panties and put on a gown.. sounds fine.. he feels my joints.. and moves to my back.. and asks to unhook my bra to check a pointin my back.. i hestitently said ok.. he said dont worry i wont look... then without rehooking my bra he tells me to lay on the table and he feels like my collar bone area andmoves down.. he then PUT HIS HAND UNDERMY BRA AND FELT BOTH MY BREASTS!.. then continuted the reg. exam.. NOW! do they all do that? now lets just say he was attempting to do a breast exam.. he wasnt doing it the right way and wasnt " holding them " long enough to do this... my mom has been going to a rheumy for 24 years and never had to put a gown on and never had him feel her breat area.. also he was streching my legs in weird ways and i saw him looking underneath my gown (cause it moves around with yoru legs of course.. now please please just tell me they all do this and its routine and im not over reacting... my mother said " he copped a cheap thrill " and was actually laughing.. i find it violating.. please advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 HI I JUST WANT TO SAY I HAVE BEEN GOING TO THE RHEUMY FOR 15YRS AND I HAVE NEVER EVER HAD AN EXAMINATION LIKE THAT BEFORE. INFACT I DONT THINK I HAVE EVER HAD TO REMOVE ANY OF MY CLOTHING AT ALL.. YOU POOR THING... I AM SO SORRY FOR YOU IT MUST OF BEEN AWFUL LOVE FROM JOYCE XXXXXXXXXX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2002 Report Share Posted November 26, 2002 --- I just saw a rheumatologist for the very first time last Thursday and I didn't have to remove anything except my shoes and socks so he could examine my feet and toes.......but my mother went to a different rheumy and was asked to put on a gown but she kept her underthings on! I agree with all the ladies...he had no right to tocuh you and you should speck out! It is a good thing your mother was there she can validate what you say! REPORT HIM! As if dealing with RA isn't hard enough.....a perverted rheumy! Give me a break!! Delena In Rheumatoid Arthritis@y..., " Lollipop girl " <lollipop725@y...> wrote: > I think i may have been sexually mis treated at my first > rheumotolgist visit today! > > let me explain > > > now mind you my mother and young child are in the room while all this > is taking place.. > > he asks me to remove everything but my bra and panties and put on a > gown.. sounds fine.. > > he feels my joints.. and moves to my back.. and asks to unhook my bra > to check a pointin my back.. i hestitently said ok.. he said dont > worry i wont look... > > then without rehooking my bra he tells me to lay on the table and he > feels like my collar bone area andmoves down.. he then > > PUT HIS HAND UNDERMY BRA AND FELT BOTH MY BREASTS!.. then continuted > the reg. exam.. NOW! > > do they all do that? > > now lets just say he was attempting to do a breast exam.. he wasnt > doing it the right way and wasnt " holding them " long enough to do > this... my mom has been going to a rheumy for 24 years and never had > to put a gown on and never had him feel her breat area.. > > also he was streching my legs in weird ways and i saw him looking > underneath my gown (cause it moves around with yoru legs of course.. > > now please please just tell me they all do this and its routine and > im not over reacting... > > my mother said " he copped a cheap thrill " and was actually laughing.. > i find it violating.. please advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 I have been wondering what is the true purpose for yeast in us? Everything definitely does have a purpose and it's all interrelated. What says about killing it off makes sense from that perspective. But is even it's purpose within us controversial? I've even heard one nutritionist explain it in a way that it attempts to rid the body of metals and such, just doesn't do a very good job and manages to overflow in it's attempts. But then again the body is not suppose to be full of metals to begin with. Also I've always thought of yeast and bacteria as two separate things. Almost like opposites, in a perfect world the good bacteria's munch on the yeast and keep all in check. Now I've seen recently yeast referred to as a type of bacteria-good or bad? Often when I try to explain this to the other world this stuff comes up and I want to get it straight. Thanks! Kari Re: Re: please help > organisms like > candida and other " bad " bacteria actually play a specific role in > breaking down the waste as a back-up system. that is, they are > helping you. Interesting, but how has this opinion been ratified by science, or has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:40:03 -0400, you wrote: >Specifically as relates to: > >>3. Understand treatment options for the pit tumor, there are drugs for that type that work >>very well. > > >What specific drugs are indicated for these benign pituitary tumors? My recollection is they are usually not dealt with by drugs - with the exception of prolactinomas which send out high prolactin levels. They are usually watched closely to make sure they are not growing. If they grow surgery is done. But surgery is through the nose and fairly routine and safe. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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