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<<You have a way of bringing the physical in with the spiritual and

I like it a lot. >>

We don't call him the Morale Officer for nothing! You oughtta meet him in

person. What a great guy! His kids are just awesome. They are inspired by his

transformation and have started working out themselves. The honor is all mine in

being his coach.

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wow.

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You did all the work. =)

In a message dated 10-Sep-00 12:34:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

wcsinchak@... writes:

<< ,

You deserve the credit because you also helped challenge me to grow.

Thanks.

>>

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You did all the work. =)

In a message dated 10-Sep-00 12:34:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

wcsinchak@... writes:

<< ,

You deserve the credit because you also helped challenge me to grow.

Thanks.

>>

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In a message dated 9/10/00 12:34:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

wcsinchak@... writes:

<< When self doubt sets it sights on you, ask yourself what's my why? Why

have I decided to dream again? Why am I focusing on self improvement? Do

I have an attitude of expectation and if not why? Do I have faith and

hope and what value do I put on my life? Getting healthy is the easiest

thing I'll ever do, Believing I can is the hard part why? If doing what

we fear most is the death of fear itself why don't we do it? Do you

believe that whatever the heart wants the mind will deliver if not why?

Whats your Why?

>>

Another keeper!!!! Thanks for giving!

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

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That is the way to go. Thank you!

" Once I was a prisoner

Lost in myself

With the world surrounding me

Wandering through the misery,

But now I AM FREE..... "

[Guest guest]

,

First I have to give thanks and the glory to God for allowing me to

contribute in such a small humble manner. First I read all the days

e-mails than attempt to reply to the group as a whole, in the hope that

it helps in some small way. The success of each and everyone of you is my

reward.

God Bless Champions!

You All Have Greatness in You!

Walt : ))

[Guest guest]

,

You deserve the credit because you also helped challenge me to grow.

Thanks.

God Bless Champions!

You All Have Greatness in You!

Walt : ))

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Blushing how could you tell . . Thank you for letting me.

* ~ *

GO, GO, GO,

God Bless Champions!

You All Have Greatness in You!

Walt : ))

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In a message dated 12-Oct-00 09:37:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

wcsinchak@... writes:

> But have you done all you can do?

Oh I like this one. It totally relates to my philosophy of doing 10's in the

gym and applying that concept to life and giving to others.

=)

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I think it's wonderful when we can see the fruit of our labors. And not

necessarily in our own personal space, but in the lives of others. I agree

with you Walt, it is through our " doing, " not our " wishing " " wanting " or

" hoping " , but what we DO that makes the difference in our own lives and that

of others. Our workings cultivate growth and then we harvest success. And

once you get the first accalade for something you did over and above your

usual stasis, you feel compelled to do more. And it feels wonderful!!!!

Thanks Walt. =)

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[Guest guest]

Thank You Coach!!!

GO, GO, GO,

God Bless Champion!

You Have Greatness in You!

Walt : ))

[Guest guest]

Oh Walt,

Your messages have brought such joy and inspiration to my days I just had to

thank you! God bless ya!

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In a message dated 3/11/02 2:11:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

@... writes:

> But

> first I have to get STEPHEN to agree

>

Ha ha. My son must also work on it daily. Some times he seems like he doesn't

try. I asked him about this, he said he does but it is so hard MOM.

Tammy

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In a message dated 3/11/02 2:11:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

@... writes:

> But

> first I have to get STEPHEN to agree

>

Ha ha. My son must also work on it daily. Some times he seems like he doesn't

try. I asked him about this, he said he does but it is so hard MOM.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

said:But

first I have to get STEPHEN to agree

Do you have any ideas on getting him to agree?

Let me know what works. At our next appointment we

will be talking treatment options. Of course the Dr

points out to me that we have to have a willing

participant.......

Vivian

--- wrote:

> Well, no one has been posting, so things must be

> going great for

> everyone OCD-wise!!! That's great! Of course at

> my house, no

> improvement but no big waxing behaviors either.

> Noticed a few more

> though regarding touching things/himself.

>

> I recently joined another OCD yahoo group that was

> listed in the post

> that Louis does each month listing groups - the OCD

> Support group.

> It seems to be mainly adults with OCD. I find it

> interesting

> reading, most seem to have fears/thoughts; some

> repetitive things,

> symmetrical, etc.

>

> But it strongly reminds me that NOW is the time to

> help the

> most to get a hold on himself and his OCD so he

> won't still be going

> through all this suffering as an adult. I really

> feel for those

> members in the group who are still suffering daily.

> So, as we all

> keep saying here, CBT/ERP NOW is the best way to go.

> If only I can

> find the time, patience and consistency to work on

> it daily! But

> first I have to get STEPHEN to agree

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

said:But

first I have to get STEPHEN to agree

Do you have any ideas on getting him to agree?

Let me know what works. At our next appointment we

will be talking treatment options. Of course the Dr

points out to me that we have to have a willing

participant.......

Vivian

--- wrote:

> Well, no one has been posting, so things must be

> going great for

> everyone OCD-wise!!! That's great! Of course at

> my house, no

> improvement but no big waxing behaviors either.

> Noticed a few more

> though regarding touching things/himself.

>

> I recently joined another OCD yahoo group that was

> listed in the post

> that Louis does each month listing groups - the OCD

> Support group.

> It seems to be mainly adults with OCD. I find it

> interesting

> reading, most seem to have fears/thoughts; some

> repetitive things,

> symmetrical, etc.

>

> But it strongly reminds me that NOW is the time to

> help the

> most to get a hold on himself and his OCD so he

> won't still be going

> through all this suffering as an adult. I really

> feel for those

> members in the group who are still suffering daily.

> So, as we all

> keep saying here, CBT/ERP NOW is the best way to go.

> If only I can

> find the time, patience and consistency to work on

> it daily! But

> first I have to get STEPHEN to agree

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> said:But

> first I have to get STEPHEN to agree

>

> Do you have any ideas on getting him to agree?

> Let me know what works. At our next appointment we

> will be talking treatment options. Of course the Dr

> points out to me that we have to have a willing

> participant.......

> Vivian

>

Hi Vivian, and everybody!

I have not posted for a while, as and I have made no progress

in adressing her OCD, and I get so discouraged, and sometimes feel

like the only one not having some success. Sigh. So, this thread

about how to get someone else (my teenager) to WANT treatment again

caught my eye.

To refresh memories, or update newbies, (age 16) hasn't

received any help from the SSRIs she has tried, and has suffered with

enough side effects that she isn't wanting to try any more meds at

this time. After many years, and several unhelpful " professionals " , I

finally read enough books to diagnose her OCD (and possible TS)

myself, and after suggesting this dx, the psychiatrist concurred with

me. Unfortunately the psych. is the only one I've located nearby who

knows about CBT/ERP, she doesn't do it, and she couldn't recommend

anyone locally either. So, I found a counselor who SAID she treated

OCD, and I met with her, explained the situation and what I expected

in terms of treatment, and she agreed. Well, getting to

agree to see another mental health professional took some talking on

my part, but I did get her in there, and she saw her about 6 times,

(with no progress or ERP going on that I know of... but then, of

course, what happens is " confidential " - very frustrating!) At their

final appointment, the counselor explained that she couldn't do

anything, being didn't want to be treated for OCD! Well, I do

understand her point, but I'm pulling my hair out here, trying to find

SOMEONE who can help. I'm only trying to seek appropriate medical

care for my child, which I believe is my responsibility as a parent.

However, the counselor suggested that I am overly-involved, and that

I'm the one who needs counseling. This is all so frustrating for me!

Meanwhile, copes fairly well on the outside, and I only

gradually learn more and more of all of her inner suffering. (Just

last night, as an offshoot of an unrelated discussion, she told me

that every night when she brushes her teeth, she feels like throwing

up. I suggested a different toothpaste, but she said that it

wouldn't matter, that it was the taste, feel, whole experience...

but of course she doesn't see this as OCD.) It breaks my heart to

see in tens of ways how hard her daily life is, always dealing with

this " stuff " that she thinks is just part of who she is. And, I am

sick of OCD living at our house, for my part too.

OK, so am I just looking for sympathy, or suggestions? I don't know.

Just felt like getting this out.

Marlys in SC

[Guest guest]

> > said:But

> > first I have to get STEPHEN to agree

> >

> > Do you have any ideas on getting him to agree?

> > Let me know what works. At our next appointment we

> > will be talking treatment options. Of course the Dr

> > points out to me that we have to have a willing

> > participant.......

> > Vivian

> >

> Hi Vivian, and everybody!

>

> I have not posted for a while, as and I have made no

progress

> in adressing her OCD, and I get so discouraged, and sometimes feel

> like the only one not having some success. Sigh. So, this thread

> about how to get someone else (my teenager) to WANT treatment again

> caught my eye.

>

> To refresh memories, or update newbies, (age 16) hasn't

> received any help from the SSRIs she has tried, and has suffered

with

> enough side effects that she isn't wanting to try any more meds at

> this time. After many years, and several

unhelpful " professionals " , I

> finally read enough books to diagnose her OCD (and possible TS)

> myself, and after suggesting this dx, the psychiatrist concurred

with

> me. Unfortunately the psych. is the only one I've located nearby

who

> knows about CBT/ERP, she doesn't do it, and she couldn't recommend

> anyone locally either. So, I found a counselor who SAID she

treated

> OCD, and I met with her, explained the situation and what I

expected

> in terms of treatment, and she agreed. Well, getting to

> agree to see another mental health professional took some talking

on

> my part, but I did get her in there, and she saw her about 6 times,

> (with no progress or ERP going on that I know of... but then, of

> course, what happens is " confidential " - very frustrating!) At

their

> final appointment, the counselor explained that she couldn't do

> anything, being didn't want to be treated for OCD! Well, I

do

> understand her point, but I'm pulling my hair out here, trying to

find

> SOMEONE who can help. I'm only trying to seek appropriate medical

> care for my child, which I believe is my responsibility as a

parent.

> However, the counselor suggested that I am overly-involved, and

that

> I'm the one who needs counseling. This is all so frustrating for

me!

>

> Meanwhile, copes fairly well on the outside, and I only

> gradually learn more and more of all of her inner suffering. (Just

> last night, as an offshoot of an unrelated discussion, she told me

> that every night when she brushes her teeth, she feels like

throwing

> up. I suggested a different toothpaste, but she said that it

> wouldn't matter, that it was the taste, feel, whole experience...

> but of course she doesn't see this as OCD.) It breaks my heart to

> see in tens of ways how hard her daily life is, always dealing with

> this " stuff " that she thinks is just part of who she is. And, I am

> sick of OCD living at our house, for my part too.

>

> OK, so am I just looking for sympathy, or suggestions? I don't

know.

> Just felt like getting this out.

>

> Marlys in SC

[Guest guest]

> I suggested a different toothpaste, but she said that it

> wouldn't matter, that it was the taste, feel, whole experience...

>

> Marlys, I think we can ALL relate to how frustrating it is when our

> kids seem to refuse to try.>

Thanks

I guess my point was that the toothbrushing is not really a

problem, but an example of many things that she struggles to " get

through " on a daily basis that I'm not even aware of. THEN, there are

all the things that I DO see... the repititions, the anxiety caused

and effort spent to get things " just right " , avoiding places, people,

and situations because of ? - only she really knows, being misjudged

as rude when she is really just trying to " hold it together " .

How can she NOT want to be treated for OCD? Her life looks

horrible to me... no surprise that she fights depression. It's so

difficult for me to understand, even with my whole library of OCD

books. I hate all the limitations she places on her life. And I hate

it that every day in school is something that she must " get through " .

(I enjoyed HS - sigh)

-Marlys in SC

[Guest guest]

> I suggested a different toothpaste, but she said that it

> wouldn't matter, that it was the taste, feel, whole experience...

>

> Marlys, I think we can ALL relate to how frustrating it is when our

> kids seem to refuse to try.>

Thanks

I guess my point was that the toothbrushing is not really a

problem, but an example of many things that she struggles to " get

through " on a daily basis that I'm not even aware of. THEN, there are

all the things that I DO see... the repititions, the anxiety caused

and effort spent to get things " just right " , avoiding places, people,

and situations because of ? - only she really knows, being misjudged

as rude when she is really just trying to " hold it together " .

How can she NOT want to be treated for OCD? Her life looks

horrible to me... no surprise that she fights depression. It's so

difficult for me to understand, even with my whole library of OCD

books. I hate all the limitations she places on her life. And I hate

it that every day in school is something that she must " get through " .

(I enjoyed HS - sigh)

-Marlys in SC

[Guest guest]

Dear Marlys,

I'm so sorry that you're not getting the help you need. Having been

there, I know how frustrating this is. Please don't give up - getting the

right therapist will make a world of difference. And there HAS to be one

somewhere not TOO far away, doesn't there? (thinking positively here) Don't

listen to a counselor who tells you that YOU are the one who needs therapy (I

got that once too). Obviously your child is suffering if just brushing her

teeth is such a struggle. For what it's worth, my nine year old has had

issues with tooth brushing for years - the same thing. It's somehow related

to vomiting for her. But her therapist works regularly with her on it, and it

has gotten much better.

I assume you've tried the OCFoundation for a list of therapists in

your area? Or the closest university or medical school?

I have a ton of sympathy for you, but no really helpful suggestions.

I wish I could help more.

in Nevada

[Guest guest]

Marly wrote: the repititions, the anxiety caused and effort spent to

get things " just right " , avoiding places, people, and situations

because of ? - only she really knows,---

Marlys, sounds exactly like my !! The " just right " and

avoidance ARE daily for him too.

[Guest guest]

Marlys wrote:

<snip>

>Well, getting to

> agree to see another mental health professional took some talking

on

> my part, but I did get her in there, and she saw her about 6 times,

> (with no progress or ERP going on that I know of... but then, of

> course, what happens is " confidential " - very frustrating!)

***Ummm, who is PAYING for 's appointments? I assume you and

your insurance company are and I'd want to make sure that my 16 year

old was getting the appropriate therapy for his/her issues. What

they actually talk about in there may be confidential (and that's

ok), however, I think you have a right to ensure she's getting what

you're paying for (ie; ERP therapy)!

At their

> final appointment, the counselor explained that she couldn't do

> anything, being didn't want to be treated for OCD! Well, I

do

> understand her point, but I'm pulling my hair out here, trying to

find

> SOMEONE who can help. I'm only trying to seek appropriate medical

> care for my child, which I believe is my responsibility as a

parent.

> However, the counselor suggested that I am overly-involved, and

that

> I'm the one who needs counseling. This is all so frustrating for

me!

***Ugh. Well, I've been there too, Marlys. (18, ADHD+mild

OCD) refused medication AND therapy too. There's nothing you can do

when this happens. Besides, how much help will a teen (or an adult)

get when they feel 'forced' to go to therapy? I tried to force

to go by taking away the keys to the car, but that backfired

because he just sat there and didn't cooperate. I had no choice but

to 'let go and let God' take care of . And, I'm happy to

report that he's doing GREAT. He's in good hands....

>

> Meanwhile, copes fairly well on the outside, and I only

> gradually learn more and more of all of her inner suffering. (Just

> last night, as an offshoot of an unrelated discussion, she told me

> that every night when she brushes her teeth, she feels like

throwing

> up. I suggested a different toothpaste, but she said that it

> wouldn't matter, that it was the taste, feel, whole experience...

> but of course she doesn't see this as OCD.)

***My oldest (, 20) doesn't have OCD, but he does easily gag when

brushing his teeth. So, may simply have a 'gag reflex' when

brushing her teeth. Or, it could be part of her OCD. Whatever she

wants to call it, I'm sure she'll be ok, Marlys!

Be strong and take lots of care of YOU!

Joni

> Just felt like getting this out.

>

> Marlys in SC

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Do I understand that your fiance has a T cell count that was 54 and

now is 11, and you are chosing to treat him with SELENIUM?

He needs antiretroviral medications. I cannot believe that he is

seeing any kind of MD, DO, or witchdoctor who has not made this

recommendation long ago.

Turn off your damn computer and get this guy to a real doctor NOW.